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Change from FTTN or FTTC to FTTP by Upgrading to a Faster Speed Plan (Select Locations) @ nbn co via Participating ISPs
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Twix on 22/03/2022 - 11:04 nbnco.com.au (15090 clicks)
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Note: The FTTP upgrade has not expired. A new deal page has been created here.

Starting from today about 50,000 properties out of about 2 million properties can request to change their nbn FTTN to FTTP from a participating ISP.

More FTTN to FTTP network upgrades will happen until the end of 2025.

List of FTTN to FTTP locations by state and territory. More FTTN to FTTP locations to be announced.

Approx 1 million FTTC to FTTP locations will be ready by the end of 2022 and the remaining 500k locations will be ready in 2023.

Register here for FTTP updates via email.

Manually check your address here every month.

If your property is ready to go you will see this message halfway down the page;

Good news! You may be able to upgrade to nbn™ FTTP.

Contact a participating ISP to organize the FTTN to FTTP or FTTC to FTTP changeover.

Conditions, eligibility criteria and costs will apply – please speak with your preferred provider. Eligibility criteria includes among other things, being designated by nbn as a simple premises (e.g. standalone premises or Single Dwelling Unit (SDU)) and placing an order for an nbn® powered plan based on an eligible wholesale speed tier. Additional costs may apply to providers, who may choose to pass this charge onto their customers.

What is the minimum speed plan you can order from a participating ISP to get FTTP?

FTTN to FTTP: Home Fast (100/20).

FTTC to FTTP: Home Superfast (250/25) Home Fast (100/20).

Can I order a faster speed plan?

Faster speeds can be ordered.

FTTN to FTTP: 100/40, Home Superfast (250/25) and Home Ultrafast (1000/50) | 250/100, 500/200 and 1000/400.

FTTC to FTTP: 100/40, Home Superfast (250/25) and Home Ultrafast (1000/50) | 250/100, 500/200 and 1000/400.

Are there any fees?

There are no fees for the installation of FTTP.

There is a $200 nbn downgrade fee if you change to a slower speed plan before 12 months ends. It is up to the ISP if they pass the $200 nbn downgrade fee onto you or not. If you change to a slower speed after 12 months there are no nbn downgrade fees.

Participating ISPs

2it Technology, Activ8me, AGL Communications, Atomic Systems, Aussie Broadband, Buroserv, Commander, Dodo, Exetel, FibreMax, Field Solutions Group, Flip, Harbour, ICTHUB, iiNet, iPrimus, Kinetix Networks, Launtel, Leaptel, Lightning IP, MATE, Mint Telecom, Moose Mobile, More, Nehos Communications, NewSprout, NodeOne, Occom, OntheNet, Optus, Plesi, Rummage Connect, Southern Phone, SpinTel, Superloop, Swoop, Tangerine, Telstra, Uniti and VeeTel. More ISPs to be announced.

Participating ISPs.

Is nbn FTTP installed automatically?

No you have to order nbn FTTP with a minimum speed plan from a participating ISP.

What is the nbn NTD?

The nbn NTD is a Network Termination Device that gets wall mounted inside your home and plugs into the WAN port on your router.

Do I need a new router?

It is unlikely that you need to purchase a new router for 100/20 and 250/25.

To get the best results for 1000/50 you most likely need to purchase a new router. A router with a Gigabit WAN port alone is not enough to max out 1000/50. Ethernet cabling gives you the most consistent speeds. For the best Wi-Fi speeds you want the router, computer, mobile phone and so on to have Wi-Fi 6 or Wi-Fi 6E. Dong Knows Tech has many router reviews with Gigabit speedtest graphs.

What happens if I want to stay on nbn FTTN or FTTC?

Nothing changes and you continue to use FTTN or FTTC as normal.

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                • BROKENKEYBOARD on 22/03/2022 - 14:00

                  @mathew42:

                  The fast plans are excessively expensive because RSPs need to cater for the impact of heavy downloaders on faster plans.

                  No the AVC (or bundle) charge is literally the core reason. Looking at Launtel's plans they scale in line with how much NBN charges.

                  The reason that 1000/50 is much cheaper is that ACK packets combined with congestion control provide natural rate limiting (unless you spend time tuning router settings).

                  I've never heard of such a thing. If one were to sign up to Launtel's 1000/50 then switch to 1000/400 they shouldn't be expecting different download speeds, only a difference in upload.

                  • mathew42 on 22/03/2022 - 14:10

                    @BROKENKEYBOARD:

                    I've never heard of such a thing.

                    Have a read of Bufferbloat.

                    • BROKENKEYBOARD on 22/03/2022 - 14:28
                      +1

                      @mathew42:

                      Have a read of Bufferbloat(bufferbloat.net).

                      I fail to see what your point is. Bufferbloat is about congestion, i.e. when a connection is maxed out so whether you have a 1000/50 connection or a 1000/400 connection you should still be downloading the same speed and requiring the same CVC.

                      • mathew42 on 22/03/2022 - 14:41

                        @BROKENKEYBOARD:

                        I fail to see what your point is. Bufferbloat is about congestion

                        The download speed drops due to the sending server not receiving ACK packets because the upstream bandwidth is maxed out. TCP Congestion Control is brutal when this occurs.

                        It is probably fine if all you are doing is streaming, but then 25Mbps is more than adequate for 4k/Ultra HD until someone's phone starts syncing the videos they've taken to the cloud, then performance falls off a cliff.

                        • BROKENKEYBOARD on 22/03/2022 - 22:28

                          @mathew42:

                          The download speed drops due to the sending server not receiving ACK packets because the upstream bandwidth is maxed out

                          This is such a fringe case thing. ACK packets are extremely tiny so very little upstream is required to support a much faster downstream. Good example of this is in the old days where people didn't have issue downloading on Telstra or Optus HFC with only ~1-3Mbps upstream for ~100Mbps downstream.

                  • mathew42 on 22/03/2022 - 14:34

                    @BROKENKEYBOARD:

                    No the AVC (or bundle) charge is literally the core reason. Looking at Launtel's plans they scale in line with how much NBN charges.

                    Wrong, based on comparing NBN Wholesale Prices with Launtel:
                    * NBN wholesale price is 250/25 Mbps AVC is $68, and Launtel is $4/day ($120 in 30 day month)
                    * NBN 250/100Mbps is $70, Launtel is $5.50/day ($165/month)
                    * NBN 1000/50Mbps is $80, Launtel is $4.60/day ($138/month)
                    * NBN 1000/400Mbps is $150, Launtel is $10/day ($300/month)

                    In each of these cases the retail price of the higher upload plans is significantly more than the wholesale price change. This suggests that Launtel are purchasing significantly more CVC for higher upload plans.

                    • BROKENKEYBOARD on 22/03/2022 - 22:24

                      @mathew42:

                      This suggests that Launtel are purchasing significantly more CVC for higher upload plans.

                      I think you're reading the wrong charts, ISPs are purchasing the bundles which includes CVC (page 21-22). Some bundles with faster upload speeds may come with less CVC so they need to purchase extra CVC which is why I mentioned comparing them with equal CVC. Once you include extra CVC then the plans become very in line with NBN charges.

                      • NBN 250/25 Mbps with 5.25Mbps CVC is $68, and Launtel is $4/day ($120 in 30 day month)
                      • NBN 250/100Mbps with 5.25 Mbps CVC is $70100, Launtel is $5.50/day ($165/month)

                      The plan cost difference is $45
                      The NBN bundle cost difference is $32

                      • NBN 1000/50Mbps with 6.25Mbps CVC is $80, Launtel is $4.60/day ($138/month)
                      • NBN 1000/400Mbps with 3.25Mbps CVC is $150180, Launtel is $10/day ($300/month)

                      The plan cost difference is $162
                      The NBN bundle cost difference is $100 but because of the CVC difference you need to pad it with 3 extra Mbps pushing it to $124.

                      • mathew42 on 22/03/2022 - 23:17

                        @BROKENKEYBOARD: Firstly it isn't necessary for an RSP to top-up the CVC beyond what is bundled. It is possible that the 80% on 50Mbps and slower plans might provide an excess of CVC that can be used for faster plans. This exposes that fact that the NBNCo wholesale pricing is divorced from the actual costs. The difference between a 12Mbps and a 1Gbps FTTP connection is a software setting.

                        The discounting by NBNCo must make the financial optimisation an art form, particularly when you consider 11.3 CVC Utilisation Conditions Clause (a):

                        To obtain any TC-4 Bundled Components Discounts in a Billing Period, RSP must ensure that no Bundled CVC TC-4 exceeds an average data throughput of 95% of the provisioned CIR (Mbps) for more than 1 hour per calendar day on average across that Billing Period.

                        If I'm interpreting this correctly, it would be trivial for a few users with fast plans connected to the same POI to thrash their connection for a few hours and cause an RSP miss their discounts.

                        The other observation I would make is that CVC is symmetrical, yet NBNCo are pushing customers towards increasingly asymmetric connections.

                        • BROKENKEYBOARD on 23/03/2022 - 00:02

                          @mathew42:

                          Firstly it isn't necessary for an RSP to top-up the CVC beyond what is bundled.

                          You literally suggested in a previous comment that Launtel is purchasing significantly more CVC for higher upload plans. I'm disproving what you've said because the price differences doesn't allow them to be purchasing significantly more CVC unless they're doing it at a loss.

                          If I'm interpreting this correctly, it would be trivial for a few users with fast plans connected to the same POI to thrash their connection for a few hours and cause an RSP miss their discounts.

                          I don't see issue with this. If someone is downloading TB/s of data in short periods of time during peak hour then an ISP should kick them off for the sake of others.

                          • mathew42 on 23/03/2022 - 21:11

                            @BROKENKEYBOARD:

                            I don't see issue with this. If someone is downloading TB/s of data in short periods of time during peak hour then an ISP should kick them off for the sake of others.

                            Do remember in the early days of ADSL1 when Telstra offered plans without a defined quota, but an acceptable use policy? Users pestered Telstra to define a limit and then howled in protest when Telstra imposed a 3GB quota.

                            The Critical Information Summary for Residential Internet sheet contains this statement:

                            All services come with unlimited data, subject to reasonable usage as a residential (not business) service.
                            However please note unlimited does not mean infinite: while we will not limit your usage initially we may, after a
                            high usage event, request that you reduce your data usage to avoid affecting other users of the network.

                            it doesn't state what action Launtel will take if customers don't modify their behaviour.
                            I wonder what the ACCC would think of the policy, especially in light of Launtel's ACCC needs to take a more human approach commentary:

                            If the ACCC is going to object to “congestion-free”, why does it also not object to the term “unlimited data”? Unlimited means “no limits”, none, i.e. infinity.

                            • BROKENKEYBOARD on 23/03/2022 - 22:45

                              @mathew42:

                              Telstra

                              Even if that's true Telstra is not comparable because Telstra was both infrastructure and retail. Launtel/ISPs don't own the infrastructure so NBN is to blame not them and like you said before:

                              The physical fibre connection costs exactly the same if you are connecting at 12 or 1000Mbps

                              NBN created a scenario where getting "normal" upload speed (250/100, 1000/400) on FTTP is so expensive that most ISPs don't even offer it because of how much NBN charges.

      • Domingo on 22/03/2022 - 12:59

        It would be a near impossible ask to upgrade 2-3m HFC premises to FTTP for anything remotely in the realms of 100k.

        It would be more in the tens of millions to run that much fibre down the street, through the lead ins into people's houses and then replace all the HFC NTDs with FTTP NTDs. Then every time a tree root has grown into the conduit and the front garden needs to be dug up, or a pipe is broken under a footpath or whatever real world issue occurs, the cost just goes up.

        I'm a happy nbn HFC customer and generally think HFC is a pretty good technology, and it is something that is being constantly worked on to make it better. It isn't as good as FTTP, but it's a cost effective medium term alternative that enables what nearly all of the people within the HFC footprint need.

        • BROKENKEYBOARD on 22/03/2022 - 13:11
          +2

          It would be a near impossible ask to upgrade 2-3m HFC premises to FTTP for anything remotely in the realms of 100k.

          I didn't mean 100+k for the whole nation but 100+k for suburbs.

          It isn't as good as FTTP, but it's a cost effective medium term alternative that enables what nearly all of the people within the HFC footprint need.

          I think that's debatable, HFC might seem cost effective on paper but when you consider all the ongoing costs for upgrades and maintenance it probably ends up costing more than FTTP.

          • mathew42 on 22/03/2022 - 13:17

            @BROKENKEYBOARD: A stupidity of NBN in the early years was overbuilding HFC with FTTP when many suburbs were stuck on RIMs.

  • markmono on 22/03/2022 - 11:08
    +7

    I'll hijack this to also note, even if you are not in these locations.
    Check your ISP to make sure your current plan hasn't been price reduced. NBN have lowered their wholesale RSP prices and most ISPs have lowered their plan pricing.

    • ONEMariachi on 22/03/2022 - 13:48
      +2

      Aussie Broadbands 100/40 seems to have gone up $10. to $109/month. The (profanity)

      • markmono on 22/03/2022 - 14:07
        +1

        Yeah Aussie Broadband ran cheap deals to get their subscriber numbers up and don't seem to be as price competitive with bargain providers anymore.

        • ONEMariachi on 22/03/2022 - 14:25

          My 6 months with Superloop ends this month, so need to find something else at the 100/40 around that $80 mark now

    • electioncliff on 22/03/2022 - 14:21
      +2

      I can't see any plan that looks cheaper than a few months ago?

      • ONEMariachi on 22/03/2022 - 17:08
        +1

        Neither. Maybe it will take a bit? Or maybe they're pocketing the difference

  • [Deactivated] on 22/03/2022 - 11:08
    +10

    I can't wait for my place to get this half a decade later.. :)

    • macrocephalic on 22/03/2022 - 12:57
      +7

      Half a decade? If you're lucky!

      Hopefully, but 2025 the Libs will have finally finished the NBN as it was supposed to be, at a much greater cost, effort, and lost opportunity cost than just doing it right the first time.

      • Bellyup on 22/03/2022 - 17:53
        +1

        Libs? lol.

    • Sendthegoods on 23/03/2022 - 21:34

      I called Aussie broadband as I'm in one of those regions listed but I sti gotta wait longer to be notified when I'll be eligible before I can apply :(

  • XCOM v2 on 22/03/2022 - 11:09

    What about HFC?

    Any idea if similar will be offered down the track

    • Fx180 on 22/03/2022 - 11:18
      +1

      I believe most HFC areas are eligible for 1000/50 (with 250 being the minimum speed tier >100 for all HFC premises), which is the highest nbn speed tier anyway.

      Don't see any plans for a comprehensive HFC > FTTP program akin to this but you can look here for more info on upgrading to FTTP regardless of access technology: https://www.nbnco.com.au/learn/technology-choice-program

      • XCOM v2 on 22/03/2022 - 12:19

        Neither of family members I’m looking at can get that. Unlucky or NBN co overestimating. I know which way I’m leaning

  • Ozbaragain on 22/03/2022 - 11:10

    What if I am already on FTTN with 100/20 speed tier? Will it automatically trigger the update or do I need to order a better speed tier to initiate it?

    • Twix on 22/03/2022 - 11:12
      +1

      Not automatic. A new order for FTTP is required.

    • Mokr on 22/03/2022 - 11:13
      +47

      Downgrade one month then upgrade - and dont vote liberal

        • mdavant on 22/03/2022 - 12:14

          And if he doesn't penny Wong will lambast him.

          • jv on 22/03/2022 - 12:15
            +2

            @mdavant:

            penny Wong will lambast him.

            I hope he has a strong ticker…

            • gimli on 22/03/2022 - 12:30
              -2

              @jv: Not funny

              • Manny Calavera on 22/03/2022 - 16:43

                @gimli: You ever hear the phrase 'as serious as a heart attack'?

                • gimli on 22/03/2022 - 16:49
                  +1

                  @Manny Calavera: I guess heart attacks are just business for you Mr Calavera :P

        • Mokr on 22/03/2022 - 13:01
          +3

          Under Labor, 90 per cent of Australians in the fixed line footprint - would have access to world-class gigabit speeds by 2025, Opposition Communications Minister, Michelle Rowland said.

          The plan would be funded "through a combination of Commonwealth loans, equity, free cash flows, which the NBN will be generating in the next couple of years … exactly as the NBN is funded now," Ms Rowland said.

          • mathew42 on 22/03/2022 - 13:23
            -4

            @Mokr:

            Under Labor, 90 per cent of Australians in the fixed line footprint - would have access to world-class gigabit speeds by 2025, Opposition Communications Minister, Michelle Rowland said.

            Access is not the same as would be connected at gigabit speeds. Labor's expectation as documented in the NBNCo Corporate Plans was that in 2026, <1% would have 1Gbps speeds due to the cost of Labor's speed tiers. If you are in that 1% you can probably afford the cost of technology change.

            Labor also expected that close to 50% would be connecting at 12Mbps. The reality is that the Liberals cut CVC from Labor's $20/Mbps to ~$8/Mbps and bundled CVC with AVC making unlimited data plans more attractive.and 50Mbps the most popular speed.

            • cdbrown on 22/03/2022 - 14:27
              +4

              @mathew42: Labors plan was still economical based on the very low uptake of the top tier plans - they used conservative assumptions. It's all well and good to say the % is very low on the 1Gbps plan when access to that plan is limited. LNPs basis for switching to MTM was based on nobody wanting speeds above 25, where as 77% of all connections are paying for speeds 50 and above. This would actually be higher but it's limited due to the technology used. NBN cut the CVC because of all the complaints from RSPs about the high ACV and CVC charges. The ACV and CVC charges were all meant to drop under the Labor plan as more and more people signed up.

              • mathew42 on 22/03/2022 - 14:47
                -1

                @cdbrown:

                Labors plan was still economical based on the very low uptake of the top tier plans - they used conservative assumptions.

                So it is fine to build a FTTP network were only the richest 1% can access the fastest speeds due purely to artificial speed tiers? With hindsight nothing in Labor's plan was shown to be conservative with the exception of the take-up of 25/5Mbps plans and that was primarily because Telstra chose not to sell 12/1Mbps.

                LNPs basis for switching to MTM was based on nobody wanting speeds above 25, where as 77% of all connections are paying for speeds 50 and above

                When MTM was announced 85% on a pure FTTP network were connected at 25Mbps or slower. This only changed when NBNCo started bundling CVC with 50Mbps AVC making it more profitable for RSPs to bump customer speeds to 50Mbps and maintain the same retail price. Still today less than 16% are on 100Mbps or faster plans and that includes the hobbled low upload plans which limit the effectiveness of learning / working remotely.

                The ACV and CVC charges were all meant to drop under the Labor plan as more and more people signed up.

                Correct, except that price drops were significantly less than the increase in usage as Labor's plan required an ARPU of greater than $100/month for the NBN to be profitable.

                • cdbrown on 22/03/2022 - 15:16
                  +3

                  @mathew42: When LNP took over the build had only just begun and there were only a small number of people connected. It was the same when FTTN started rolling out 6M after the gov change and people were going for the lower tiers.

                  Can you show me were the ALP ARPU number has come from?

                  Are you trying to defend the LNP decision to rollout out the MTM? The whole basis to the funding/costs/revenue was FTTN/HFC being rolled out to nearly all brownfields by end of 2016. Why did NBN start going to FTTC? because they realised FTTN was a dud and they couldn't get the target ARPU. Why have they decided to now switch back to FTTP, because the MTM is too costly to operate and maintain even though it was cheaper to install.

                  • mathew42 on 22/03/2022 - 15:44
                    -2

                    @cdbrown:

                    Can you show me were the ALP ARPU number has come from?

                    Directly from the NBNCo Corporate Plans as published when Labor was in government.

                    Why did NBN start going to FTTC?

                    FTTC was always part of MTM.

                    they realised FTTN was a dud and they couldn't get the target ARPU. Why have they decided to now switch back to FTTP,

                    It is still questionable that the average Australian is willing to pay expensive retail plans for NBNCo to reach their target ARPU. The reality that has held from Telstra's speed tiers on ADSL1 is that people rarely pay extra to move up speed tiers. People move up speed tiers when wholesale prices become cheaper and RSPs want to maintain the same retail revenue (eg. bundling of CVC with 50Mbps AVC).

                    Video streaming is what most people care about and 50Mbps is more than adequate for that. People will purchase a larger data quota, RSPs chose to provide unlimited plans and instead whinge that streaming companies are freeloading and placing unfair burdens on their network.

                    because the MTM is too costly to operate and maintain even though it was cheaper to install.

                    Do you have evidence for this assertion? Labor created NBNCo as an opaque monopoly where we cannot even find out how much a SkyMuster service costs, let alone distinguish between FTTN, FTTC, FTTP, etc.

          • mdavant on 22/03/2022 - 16:30
            -3

            @Mokr: Paid for by high income earners.

            Who will be paying for every other labor promise before the election, and many other backflips after it.

            All ideas from labor are awesome for most because most don't pay diddly squat for them.

            Sincerely,

            Mdavant.
            Paying for your gaming pings since August 2021

            • SBOB on 22/03/2022 - 16:43
              +4

              @mdavant:

              Paid for by high income earners.
              Who will be paying for every other labor promise before the election, and many other backflips after it.

              wait… so high income earners don't pay if its a liberal promise or expenditure or backflip?
              Whose been covering their massive debt blow outs since 2013 then? were those cancelled submarine contracts free for example?

              The greatest trick the Liberal party ever pulled, was convincing people they are 'good financial managers', regardless of anything thats happened for the last 2+ decades
              (since 1996, labour have only been racking up debt with 'ideas only rich people have to pay for' for 6 of those years…. )

              want to point to the national debt trend exactly where the massive liberal money saving occurred?
              https://australiandebtclock.com.au/

              • mdavant on 22/03/2022 - 17:44

                @SBOB: All extra promises are paid for.

                Understand?

                The covid extra debt was effectively bi-partisan too. Don't believe the mantra.

                Both sides of politics have no idea how to handle my money.

                Peter Costello is the worst treasurer I have ever seen.

                See.

                A realist.

                Now, also, albanese will be a disaster for high income earners. Are you one?

                • SBOB on 22/03/2022 - 17:59
                  +3

                  @mdavant:

                  Now, also, albanese will be a disaster for high income earners. Are you one?

                  High enough to be in a bracket that this would be be ticking the box in a questionnaire, not high enough that I'd post on ozbargain gloating about being a high income earner that pays for every else's internet…..not sure what band that puts me in.

                  Scotty from Marketing thanks you for your support and ingnoring his current track record.

                  • mdavant on 22/03/2022 - 18:37
                    -1

                    @SBOB: Just a realist. Trying to educate the masses to work for what they want and to think about what they spruik.

                    PS. I'd imagine your band would be "thinks is a high income earner whilst pocketing middle class welfare or other tax benefits not afforded to others who worked harder"

                    • SBOB on 22/03/2022 - 21:49

                      @mdavant:

                      PS. I'd imagine your band would be "thinks is a high income earner whilst pocketing middle class welfare or other tax benefits not afforded to others who worked harder"

                      possibly… sounds like a more realistic, much less smug band though.

                      hilarious you think high tax bracket earners have no tax benefits…

                      • mdavant on 23/03/2022 - 05:17

                        @SBOB: Tell me of one that is only available to them.

                        As for that band, I don't think that is high income.

    • superforever on 22/03/2022 - 11:15
      +2

      You have to request from FTTN to FTTP

      I have upgraded mine during the trial.

      • jv on 22/03/2022 - 12:16
        -1

        You have to request from FTTN to FTTP

        How ?

        • superforever on 22/03/2022 - 12:37

          How ?

          This is what this deal is about 😏

    • Ozbaragain on 22/03/2022 - 11:18
      +1

      Thanks guys 😊

  • windwai on 22/03/2022 - 11:10

    Most people are with 50/20 plan.

    • cdbrown on 22/03/2022 - 11:51
      +6

      Which is why they are providing this upgrade to fttp as the justification for not doing fttp in the first place is that most people wouldn't want more than 25/5. And the fact that it's cheaper to install new fibre to replace the fttn than it is to keep maintaining the copper

    • macrocephalic on 22/03/2022 - 12:58
      +2

      Most people probably can't get more than 50mbps - so there's no point paying for a higher tier.

      • windwai on 22/03/2022 - 14:14

        True, but there should be some people like me don't want to spend extra for faster speed.

        • cdbrown on 22/03/2022 - 14:33

          There is no doubt a lot of people that don't want to spend extra or don't need higher speed. However there was a considerable amount of people that were paying for more than the copper line could handle and a lot of RSPs were happy to sell them those plans knowing full well they wouldn't get what they were paying for (the good old "upto" speeds like on ADSL). ACCC eventually forced the RSPs to provide refunds to the affected customers. A few years ago 50% of Optus customers paying for the 100/40 plan could not get near the 100Mbps they were paying for and half of them couldn't even get 50Mbps. This is why FTTP was the right decision as it gives people a true choice of what speeds they want.

          • windwai on 22/03/2022 - 14:49

            @cdbrown: I totally agree as a gamer. I am just saying the internet fee is already high enough for 50/20 plan. We should all get FTTP despite what plan we are on.

            • cdbrown on 22/03/2022 - 14:52

              @windwai: I'm on 100/40 on a FTTN. As soon as it was installed I jumped on that tier because it was only a $30 increase over my adsl2+ connection but instead of being on 5/1 I was on 95/37. Massive increase in speed for a small jump. I think I could have gone to the 25/5 plan for the same cost as my adsl plan. Yes internet is costly, but comparing it to adsl the price is only marginally higher for a very big speed increase

        • mathew42 on 22/03/2022 - 15:45

          some people like me don't want to spend extra for faster speed

          You mean >80% of people aren't prepared to pay for faster than 50Mbps (even on FTTP), but many of those same people would pay more for a larger quota.

  • CookedChook on 22/03/2022 - 11:12
    +2

    So is this assuming the hardware/infrastructure is already in place, or will NBN install the necessary fibre to the premises as part of the upgraded plan.

    I'm assuming the NBN tech will have to physically fight Tony Abbott and Malcolm sex fingers Turnbul at the street cable pit inorder to get the right to install the fibre.

    • [Deactivated] on 22/03/2022 - 11:14
      +3

      "Starting from today about 50,000 properties out of about 2 million properties can request to change their nbn FTTN to FTTP from a participating ISP. FTTC to FTTP orders are due to start from May 2022. More FTTN to FTTP and FTTC to FTTP network upgrades will happen throughout 2022 and 2023."

      They will be upgrading the connection from FTTC/FTTN to FTTP, including the fibre cables and other hardware that needs to be installed

    • Associatedrlf @ NBN Co on 22/03/2022 - 15:14

      Hi,

      I work for the company rolling this out. The infrastructure will be rolled out 2022-23. FTTP. It's called N2P - Node to Premises, taking existing copper from node to premises and replacing it with fibre.

      • AlienC on 22/03/2022 - 17:49

        So all those estimates for upgrades from $4000 to $36000 estimates are now possibly free we just ring them up and say hi I would like to upgrade?

        • Associatedrlf @ NBN Co on 23/03/2022 - 00:08
          +1

          The way I understand it we are doing suburb by suburb which NBN tells us to, they are basing the upgrades on their data usage profiling, the more data suburb uses, the more likely they get upgraded to FTTP - this makes sense as they'd be more willing to pay for a higher plan.

          End of the day, this isn't about NBN providing a better service essentially, it's just about them making more money since they can charge higher fees.

      • CookedChook on 22/03/2022 - 19:47

        So assume I'm an idiot. What comes first? is the infrastructure built and the plan upgrade becomes available for customers, or the plan is upgraded in the eligible areas and it triggers the NBN to sub contract the construction of the new infrastructure.

        • Twix on 22/03/2022 - 23:55
          +1
          1. Most of the fibre infrastructure gets built.
          2. FTTP becomes available to you.
          3. You make an order FTTP from a participating ISP.
          4. nbn subcontractors come to install the fibre lead-in and fibre NTD.
  • Wilburre on 22/03/2022 - 11:14
    +3

    No ACT. Get effed nbnco.

    • [Deactivated] on 22/03/2022 - 11:17
      -2

      ACT gets everything first, let the rest of the country have something for once.

      When I lived in Canberra in 2015 we had fttp.
      Then I moved back to where I was born/raised and we only just got FTTC nbn.

      • Wilburre on 22/03/2022 - 11:22
        +1

        Not true.
        A portion of the ACT has FTTP.
        A significant portion of that is apartments with FTTB.

        A significant portion of the ACT didn't have NBN until 2 years ago, and still doesn't have FTTP.

        Not all of ACT got it first. Only the northern suburbs got it first.

        • [Deactivated] on 22/03/2022 - 11:23
          -4

          I hear that the southern suburbs got the brothels at least…

          Edit: also there isn't a single place where I live that has fttp (unless they paid to have it installed) so I'm not sure why you're acting like you've got it so rough when I was on adsl up until this year.

          [Deactivated] on 22/03/2022 - 11:23 (Collapsed - Offtopic. Show)
          • Wilburre on 22/03/2022 - 11:27
            +3

            @[Deactivated]: Excuse me?

            What does that have to do with NBN?

            Seems to have a lot to do with you being a prick in response to being called out for your false information.

            You lived here in 2015, 7 years ago.

            I've lived in the ACT since 2017 and still live there, and had to use a 4g router for 2 years as we had no NBN and dead phone lines.

            But yeah, ACT gets everything first.

            • [Deactivated] on 22/03/2022 - 11:28
              -5

              @Wilburre: "What does that have to do with NBN?"
              Sorry, didn't realize I wasn't allowed to make a playful joke about canberra…

              I have had enough of your whining. Bye bye

              • Wilburre on 22/03/2022 - 11:29
                +2

                @[Deactivated]: I've had enough of your rudeness and spreading of false information.

                You've contributed nothing of value, and in lieu of that, you've decided to make an offensive joke.

                Grow up.

                • [Deactivated] on 22/03/2022 - 11:30

                  @Wilburre: " spreading of false information." "you've decided to make an offensive joke."
                  Mate, south canberra was known for its brothels when I lived there. It was a playful jab at canberra, not an offensive joke.

          • Wilburre on 22/03/2022 - 11:39

            @[Deactivated]: "cry"

            • [Deactivated] on 22/03/2022 - 11:39
              +1

              @Wilburre: WAHHHH DONT MAKE JOKES ABOUT CANBERRA WAHHHHH

              • Wilburre on 22/03/2022 - 11:41

                @[Deactivated]: "cry"

                • [Deactivated] on 22/03/2022 - 11:42
                  +1

                  @Wilburre: You talk about me not having balls, yet here you are, running from it

                  • Wilburre on 22/03/2022 - 11:49

                    @[Deactivated]: Nah I'm just showing people the kind of stuff you're too cowardly to post in public.

                    There's no place for behaviour like yours in this community, and that needs to be made clear.

      • baronorder on 22/03/2022 - 11:50

        That would have been in the newer areas / Gungahlin…
        Large parts of Canberra have pretty terrible NBN due to being a pretty safe Labor area for the most part thus no investment is required from the current fedgov in order to prop somebody up.
        Around my area the NBN service is so slow (sub 20mbit) / unreliable (dropping / failing to connect every few hours) due to terrible infrastructure that I pay around $250 a month for a decent 5G connection in order to be able to work from home.
        I would literally kill for FTTC here.

        • dtc on 22/03/2022 - 14:37

          I live inner north, which is the laborist of labor seats. We have iinet VDSL2 and FTTC and are on the list for upgrade to FTTP

          Now why my suburb gets all the internet and other suburbs do not, well, I have no idea. But its clearly not entirely due to 'being a pretty safe labor seat'

          • jabroni on 22/03/2022 - 15:15

            @dtc: maybe feds own property there or stay there during sitting days?

          • baronorder on 22/03/2022 - 15:18

            @dtc: The inner north suburbs were well catered for even back in the TransACT days, if you live outer north (think Charnwood / Macgregor etc) then depending on how far from the exchange you are screwed with no FTTC and FTTP being available for the low, low cost of about $14k+. For a lot of people in some areas it sure does seem like NBN rollouts and upgrades are being used as political bargaining chips and handouts rather than actually concentrating on the areas that need it.
            I live about 17 mins drive from Parliament house / the lodge and have wired internet access that an order of magnitude less reliable and fast as my parents do in the sleepy town of Pambula in NSW or even my grandparents in Harden.

      • boomramada on 22/03/2022 - 12:59

        Damn right, I had FTTP before even NBN lol
        @Wilburre you must be living in very old but rich area haha

    • Twix on 22/03/2022 - 11:18
      +1

      ACT is starting later.

      ACT Banks, Campbell, Conder, Dickson, Gordon, Hume, Lyneham, O’Connor, Reid, Turner.

      • Wilburre on 22/03/2022 - 11:28

        These are places that already have FTTC afaik :'( oh well, shitty internet for a few more years.

        • ctg on 22/03/2022 - 16:59

          Aside from modems blowing up in storms, FTTC would be much more reliable than FTTN.

      • Waffles on 22/03/2022 - 11:30

        Where'd you get this list? I didn't see it. Also c'mon Kambah!

        • Twix on 22/03/2022 - 11:32
          +1

          Scroll down to the bottom on here and click the green button.

      • Waffles on 22/03/2022 - 11:40
        +1

        Awesome, thanks!

    • timoth on 22/03/2022 - 11:59
      +2

      The ACT is a safe Labor seat, of course we aren't going to get in first

  • baz3189 on 22/03/2022 - 11:18
    +51

    More taxpayer money to upgrade a network that the LNP sabotaged to begin with. Maybe if they just built what was originally planned but then they couldn't stack the board with their mates and pay them millions for many many years.

    • timhn on 22/03/2022 - 11:44
      +28

      Exactly.

      If Australians were smart and didn't vote for Tony Abbott & Malcolm Turnbull in 2013 which then let the LNP mob wrecked our NBN rollout, 93% Australia homes would laughing right now with our FTTP - instead of wondering with FTTN, FTTC, HFC etc craps. Now we just have to put up with copper in our NBN mix while the rest of first world countries probably all got rid of it.

      Buy cheap, pay twice (or three, four times) later !

    • sammyjj on 22/03/2022 - 11:50
      +2

      Would be interesting to see what electorates these suburbs are in…

      • forkus on 22/03/2022 - 13:58
        +1

        Well I checked QLD as thats my location, all the locations are in electorates that are LNP..

      • Warehouse on 22/03/2022 - 15:05

        I'm doing random address searches for these suburbs, and all 10 I've tried so far are HFC… its just a list that looks good… but not many actually elegible… feels like a pat on the back exercise "look how many suburbs we got upgraded"…

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