Awesome deal for a card that is better than the GTX Titan, which is double this price and is surely bound to be better than the new R9 290X.
This is the fastest card on the market at the moment, even better than cards that are much more expensive.
Gigabyte HD 7990 Graphics Card - $599 at MSY
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For someone looking to build a new box around Christmas time and does a lot of gaming, is there a recommended graphics card I should look at? There's a lot of threads about R9 290x but I'm still doing my research. Rough budget of $2k.
What resolution? 1080p? 1440p? 4k?
This IMO is the best bang for buck as of now (most powerful single card aswell). 290x would most likely be on Titan level but it won't beat out a dual gpu.
Saying that:
- 290 will have newer tech at a higher price
- 7990 will suffer from crossfire issues (scaling between games, micro stutter)Hi krisspy. Resolution at 1440p. I don't require top tier cards.
Edit: Meaning I don't have a tech ego or anything. Just need something that will suffice.
You should have 4GB of video memory if you have 1440p, this is mostly for games being released next year etc.
Battlefield 4 already needs 3GB of video memory for ultra settings at 1440p, this is without using the resolution scaling to make the game look nicer.
I'm running a 7970 at 1440p and bf3 averages about 53fps with 2x AA on ultra. I'm expecting newer games like bf4/Cod:ghosts to run at about 40-45fps on ultra.
I think the 280x is a rebranded 7970ghz edition, so if you want to be in the 50+fps for the new games you might need to buy top tier.
Thanks for your input guys.
With a $2,000 budget for just the box you can go for pretty much any GPU you want and still have money left for other great parts. I personally avoid multi-GPU setups (Crossfire/SLI) as you create a bunch of issues by doing so - heat, power, physical space, multiplying your failure rate. I'd also avoid the card in this deal because it just sounds… broken.
The R9 290X sounds like it's going to be a beast - but will be priced as such. But like I said $2K is well and truly enough money to get a great gaming PC. My most recent build cost me around $1200-$1500 and that was with a GTX670 at the start of the year.
Mmm I generally spend around $1.5k-$2k when I build a computer. My current one is about 5 years old. I like to use things until they are completely broken (rarely upgrade) but I think I've been patient enough to splurge a little.
Not sure what to do with the current working computer though when I replace it. Any ideas on how to make use of it?
Well if it's five years old and broken - then probably the bin would be the best use haha. It just depends on what you've got. I usually keep all my old parts as spares just in case. If I'm upgrading my GPU I usually just sell it off secondhand.
Fractal Design Define XL Full Tower Titanium $175.00
CoolerMaster 850W Silent Pro MII Modular $165.00
2 x Seagate SATA3 2TB 7200RPM Barracuda 64mb Cache $190.00
Gigabyte Z87X-D3H 4x DDR3 6xPCI-E 1xPCI 6xSATA3 $195.00
Intel Core i5 4670K LGA1150 CPU 3.4Ghz 6Mb Cache Haswell $265.00
Corsair 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600MHz Vengeance $121.00
Gigabyte GTX 780 OC EDITION PCI-E 3.0 3GB 256-bit DDR5 $799.00
Samsung 250GB SSD 840 EVO SATA III $182.00
Total $2092.00Just an estimate of an awesome current gaming PC.
Waste of money when the 290X is coming out for less then the price of that 780.
I wasn't saying to get this PC - I was just giving him an idea of what you can do with ~$2000. I didn't know there was an official price on the 290X yet though?
PCCG sold out "Radeon R9 290X" for $699, just to let you know :)
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=19…
780 is a grossly overpriced card, everyone knows that lol. You got a 7990 right here for cheaper, kind of a no-brainer.
I used the 780 to reinforce my statement above that "with a $2,000 budget for just the box you can go for pretty much any GPU you want"
i5 at $2K is utter fail, so is 8GB RAM. Watch Dogs REQUIRES 6GB and BF4 recommends 8GB.
I really wish a mod would ban you. PLEASE READ EVERY OTHER POST I'VE MADE REGARDING THIS BUILD. It is just a quick slap together roughly $2000 computer with a very expensive videocard showing that you can get other quality parts with the remainder.
i5 at $2K is utter fail
If you say so.
Watch Dogs REQUIRES 6GB
And reportedly "recommends" 8GB. This build has 8GB. Besides - the game is out for 6 months. Check back later.
BF4 recommends 8GB
This build has 8GB.
Has 8GB. And nothing more. Stooge.
You're just a troll mate, so I don't take you seriously anyway.
For gaming, an i5 4670K is just fine. But I do agree that for $100 you might as well get an i7 4770K, not that it really makes any difference.
8GB RAM is enough. You can add more RAM if you want later on. There's no need to go for overkill now.
actually i dont like 8Gb ram as i usually have firefox with 2-120+ tabs open and chrome and bf3 opens a browser to run so i usually have to start closing things down
ram is so cheapactually i dont like 8Gb ram as i usually have firefox with 2-120+ tabs open and chrome and bf3 opens a browser to run so i usually have to start closing things down
Both firefox and BF3 are limited to 4GB of RAM.
i have had out of memory errors remember windows has to run in ram so do firewall etc
Both firefox and BF3 are limited to 4GB of RAM.
Interesting. Source?
Neither has a 64 bit executable. Windows can only address 4G of RAM in 32 bits (less if you are running 32 bit Windows due to architecture issues). There are test builds and forks of Firefox around that are 64 bit under Windows, but the Mozilla team doesn't consider it important at the moment (if you are running out of 4G on your browser, there is often something else wrong).
Neither has a 64 bit executable. Windows can only address 4G of RAM in 32 bits (less if you are running 32 bit Windows due to architecture issues). There are test builds and forks of Firefox around that are 64 bit under Windows, but the Mozilla team doesn't consider it important at the moment (if you are running out of 4G on your browser, there is often something else wrong).
I was partially trolling you. Apologies for that. The answer to the question "can 32bit apps use more than 4GB of RAM (on a 64 bit OS)?" is a bit more complex based on process spawning.
Let me explain: on a 64bit Windows, individual 32-bit processes are constrained by the "4GB visible limit" (on 32bit the address space is further reduced to 3GB with 1 GB as an "extended" mapping). On a 64bit Windows, 32-bit processes are created using the WoW64 (win32 on win64) subsystem and is a 64-bit subsystem which, consequently can map more than 4GB of memory. Consequently, every time a process is spawned, while the process is limited to 4GB of memory, the application may spawn multiple processes thereby getting around the limitation.There's a lot more to it as well. Considering things like PAE (Physical address extension) that allows 32bit OSes (PAE allows 36 bit memory mapping) to map up to 64GB of RAM.
Not sure whether Firefox and BF3 spawn multiple processes, so you may be right there. :)
is a bit more complex based on process spawning.
Sure, if you are using processes rather than threads, which Firefox definitely doesn't do, and I doubt BF3 does.
(on 32bit the address space is further reduced to 3GB with 1 GB as an "extended" mapping)
It is actually 2/2 out of the box, but you can modify it to 3/1.
the application may spawn multiple processes thereby getting around the limitation.
However you need a way for these processes to talk to each other, and you've just eliminated memory sharing because they have their own address space.
Considering things like PAE (Physical address extension) that allows 32bit OSes (PAE allows 36 bit memory mapping) to map up to 64GB of RAM.
PAE doesn't really change anything. 32 bit Windows still has the 2/2 (or 3/1) limitation regardless, and Microsoft restrict most 32 bit versions to 4G just because they hate you.
Microsoft restrict most 32 bit versions to 4G just because they hate you.
I lol'd so hard. :) Indeed.
Thanks for a well reasoned response. :)
Have a good weekend mate.
guys i feel the pain when firefox has 100+ tabs open and i play bf3 not possible
so my point is basic that 8gb ram can be restrictive
if i had 16gb i could run the kitchen sink and still playi have 16gb. ;)
but i use that for vmware , not much for browising, but i'm guilty for 89 firefox tabs.page swap hell i suppose. :P
to be honest with you, 16gb is not enough for my use… so i am going for 32gb once i found a good 4x(8GBx1) ram deal.
I think you need a good CPU air-cooler for this thing, something from Noctua will be nice. Throw in some silent case fans from Noctua too. Also, I prefer case from Corsair Obsidian series like the 650D…very sexy. I am also a fan of corsair's PSU, maybe a Corsair TX850? (I think there's also a modular version). Boost the ram to 16gb. Overclock the CPU to >4.2 GHz. Now we're talking.
Will be nice to get a couple of SSDs and raid them.
Anyways, things sure have changed since RIVA TNT era…..
@Old School,
I'm using a fractal design r2 and I'm having problems trying to find high end cards that fit into this case. :( apparently it has to be < 290mmI'm using the AX750 (imo a very sexy psu); fan doesn't turn on when i'm just surfing the interwebs.
Nice price but tbh I would prefer to spend $600 on getting one of the nextgen consoles. A cheap gtx 670 or amd 7950 for $200 - $250 is all you really need for a gaming pc.
BWHAHAHAHAHAHA. Assuming you can find a 7950 or 670 for that price and not $300-$400, you need a lot more grunt for 2560x1600, even at 1920x1200 you can still can't max Crysis 3 on a 280X say, or Metro Last Light. And next gen consoles won't even run at 1080p. They run at 1600x900, if that, then upscaled and are cut back everywhere else - shadows, assets, detail, AA/AF etc.
This 7990 is junk. Crossfire issues kill it, you need updated drivers for every single game you try to play.
7950s are more than enough for most 1440p gaming if you dial back the AA (which as that resolution you don't need). 7950's can still be found around the $200 mark, I picked up a Sapphire 7950 for $199 from MSY yesterday on clearance.
I love the Internet. See, you make up some shit, post it as if it came fom anywhere but your arse and then act superior.
List of games confirmed to run at 1080p @ 60hz on next gen:
Halo 5
Drive club
Call of Duty: Ghosts
Assassins creed 4
Legend of Zelda wind walker HD
Bayonetta 2
Super smash bros
Forza 5
The division
Battlefield 4
Nba2k14
Cd universe online
Kill zone shadow fallLMAO, did you just get all that out of your ass?
You can get a 7950 from PCCG for $259 and a GTX670 from MSY for $270. Though they're probably running out of stock now as they become replaced.
To be honest, not everyone needs to run all the latest games max settings with AA and everything turned up. Warier is right in that a GTX670 or 7950 is more than what most people need.
They will still run basically every single game out there at 1080p with settings up to High.
anyone knows any 7950s that can fit in a fractal design r2 that has 290mm limit?
Not maxed, go back to console peasant.
lol, why do i even bother replying to the likes of you?
AMD Radeon R9 290X arrives October 24th
http://videocardz.com/47179/amd-radeon-r9-290x-arrives-octob…
Actually the reviews are out..
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/61505-amd-radeon-r9-2…
Yep for sale already from online retailers, $550 USD.
So a lot of cards will probably drop in price in response, look out for clearances in the coming weeks…
Have loved AMD for a long time now, but the ATI driver issues were damn annoying paying Max Payne 3.
According to the fanbois above they are all fixed now???
No time to decide, they probably out of stock by now.
Tom's Hardware confirmed the R9 290X retails for 550 USD
can't wait for Mantle demo :p
From an owner that has been on both sides of the fence, ATI/AMD have had crossfire driver issues for many years now. ATI/AMD cards are great when running as a single card, it's specifically the crossfire support that's never been 100%
I have no favorites and go with whatever is the best at the time, and right now if you want dual cards, SLI is slightly ahead purely based on driver support.
I couldn't justify spending so much money on a graphics card.
In some games, it hardly even gets to double the framerate of the 580 I just bought for $150.
Even if you have the money, seems a tad wasteful.
the premium graphics card market has always worked this way, as you go higher in price the value/dollar goes down. that being said, even if the performance is only doubled, this could mean the difference between unplayable and playable.
I am also having issues trying to justify spending $600 on this graphics card.
But one of the main reasons is that its a high end graphics card which will be future proof for at least 3-4 years to come. It will continue to play newer games in the future at reasonably high setting with good FPS.The only issue right now is money :(
Actually the r9 290x battlefield 4 edition is now available at centrecom for $699. Thats pretty good. http://www.centrecom.com.au/gigabyte-amd-radeon-r9-290x-with…
Well looks like its still on pre-order. But the price announced in $699.
CPL also have for the same price.
I would definitely not purchase these running on stock cooling. Wait for custom cooling releases!
Yeah the stock, single blower types tend to suck
Guess a lot of people buying the first expensive run will put it on water anyway
Soo, they are very counter-productive then, sucking instead of blowing?
RX 290X review
http://www.techspot.com/review/727-radeon-r9-290x/The 7990 crushes it check the benchmarks
Meanwhile, although AMD's newcomer was 30% faster than the HD 7970 GHz Edition, it costs over 70% more. It's also worth highlighting the fact that it's 25% slower than the dual-GPU HD 7990 while costing 9% more.
Heat, unfortunately, may be a concern for some. Under load, the R9 290X reference sample was the hottest card we've tested lately at 95 degrees, and it never got below 44 degrees at idle. We'd expect AMD's board partners to improve those results with custom coolers, but until then, the company has assured us 95 degrees isn't excessively hot. The R9 290X can happily live a full life at that temperature.
Usually takes a good couple of months for the drivers to have more of an impact. Heat does sound like a worry though.
why is this $699 on the msy web page. I thought it was supposed to be $599
Errr… says $699 dude…
They changed it to in-store only. You can still purchase it in-store for $599
picking up my bad boy tomorrow
Will this beast fit into my computer? o.O
My current graphics card is AMD 6800 Series… I think its the 6850?That size is pretty snug and can't be any longer :L
You'd like blow out the cheapo PSU if your case isn't big enough. Then I doubt the cooling or power is good enough either.
i have the silent gold 1200w psu?
I think that is enough power for this one?This card is 32cm long. If all you can fit is a HD6850, you're out of luck.
Your PSU may be sufficient, but best to confirm based on make/model and power output from the GPU (6-pin / 8-pin) power connectors.
Damnit!
Thanks :)
Hmmm… it's a tough one… but for all we know next's week ~$450 R9 290 (non-x version) will easily overclock up (or even BIOS flash) up to a R9 290x with some good cooling and be the best bang/buck out there (with option to CF)?
Doubt the Aus price will be $450, probably closer to $550.
Yeah, makes sense.
If that. Release price-gouging may be even higher.
Amazon/Newegg + freight fwder will still be atleast a $100 cheaper. However, you run the risk of spending a bit more should you have to RMA the damn thing.
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Here is the crossfire situation explained by someone who primarily buys ATI products.
I would urge you to be careful of buying this card, the 290X is likely going to be the better choice.
Many games do not have crossfire profiles or not very good ones, popular titles generally do though. (nvidia have this problem as well)
Frame Pacing is only fixed in a few popular DX11 games like Battlefield 3.
What does this mean?
A game running at 60fps looks like its running at 40fps. A game running at 30fps looks like its running at 15fps.
There is no evidence of what ATI will do, here is what might happen.
Frame pacing profiles will come out randomly for games like crossfire profiles (most games will continue to have frame pacing problems.
Continue working on DX11 frame pacing and only fix it for DX11, this means all DX9 games will run badly.
Fix DX9 and DX11 permanently for all current and future games that don't exist yet (like nvidia I think?)