It's nearing the end of 2023, how many vaccines are you up to? Are you planning on getting more?
How Many COVID Vaccines Did You Get?
deme on 01/10/2023 - 12:00
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Wouldn't have been able to go to Europe without the jab either!
You anti-vaxxers are so full of shit. We have several family friends who are GP's and not a single one of them told us to avoid it. Anyone who thinks there's some secret club of elitists who were told not to take it so they live some longer life is a muppet and needs to stop spreading misinformation. My advice is to lay off the weed and leave your house to get some fresh air. Also consider getting off Centrelink and find a job, there's a whole wide world out there.
experimental IV drug enthusiast uses my-dads-work-for-nintendo anecdote to prove drug safety
Insightful. Keep it up buddy (genuine encouragement).
You’re doing great 👍I tend to think that we see disproportionately more anti-vaxxers online as they tend to be at home a lot more trawling through conspiracy theories on youtube whereas the rest of us have jobs to go to
These guys can't go 5 minutes without spouting their conspiracy theories, and they think 150 global governments and over a million scientists are keeping a secret that we are not privy to? Not to mention the education level of these anti-vaxxers would be at a high school level, if lucky, compared to a million medical professionals and biologists with extensive data to back up their claims instead of a three-minute twitter rant that has then been published on NewsMax or FoxNews.
compared to a million medical professionals and biologists
They either can't see or refuse to acknowledge the ginormous elephant in the room.
Sorry to tell you this champ, but the answer is the Dunning–Kruger effect.
Sorry to tell you this champ, but the answer is the Dunning–Kruger effect.
Lol. Don't be sorry, it ain't the first time that's been trotted out. It's a favorite fallback of the pseudoskeptics.
Most of them can't find work given they didn't get the vaccine.
tl;dr COVID vaccines are free? Now that’s an ozbargain topic.
Yes
OzCooked
I need a new cooker.
My body, my choice. Remember dictator dan mandated the jab back in 2021. He probably raked in so much and dont need to work for the rest of his life.
I agree with that but i suppose the counter argument is social responsibility. Its fine you dont get any vaccine but you maybe putting those vulnerable around you at a greater risk and also maybe more burden on the hospital system. Healthcare workers had to get various vaccines to protect themselves and patients - I am uncertain if any vaccines are mandatory nowdays - i think tuberculosis/Hepatitis still are but dont know.
Interesting debate, if you are not around vulnerable people/parents/grandparents/infants etc what is the social responsibility of you being part of a herd immunity?
I am uncertain if any vaccines are mandatory nowdays -
Dan Andrews made a point of stating that we are now living in a "vaccinated economy". This appears to be true, as a lot of employers require vaccination against covid for any new employees (last time I checked local councils were requiring this).
social responsibility of you being part of a herd immunity?
Herd immunity has never been successful in relation to flu jabs, so it is reasonably to assume it doesn't apply to the coronavirus family.
The fact that any vaccines come with risks, which include death, should be reason enough to never have them mandated.
you maybe putting those vulnerable around you at a greater risk
This was a lie though.
There was no evidence at all that the covid vaccines would stop or reduce transmission, it was never even studied.
There was no evidence at all that the covid vaccines would stop or reduce transmission, it was never even studied.
True, but the messaging around it was along the lines of: people vaccinated "likely" have a lower viral load which make you less "likely" to pass it on.
And there was Fauci famously saying the vaccine makes you a "dead end to the virus". It was exquisite propaganda.All nonsense of course, but it sounded just reasonable enough to convince a lot of people.
A senior Pfizer executive has admitted that the drug company did not know whether its Covid vaccine prevented transmission of the virus when it began rolling out the shots globally.
I do not know why you still believe vaccine can reduce transmission.
There are so many of the pharmaceutical settlements in history, most of them are related to "kick backs"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_pharmaceutical…
From my view, the benefit of the jab for a healthy person is close to zero.
I had to get the jab in order to continue to work, but I have coworkers who quit during the mandate and didn't get the jab still living the same. Do not blindly believe that healthcare professional says, there was one time the doctor misdiagnose my illness.
Just the two I was coerced into through threatening my job and my ability to participate in society (Vic).
I am obviously still pretty salty about it.
Good that you're at the acceptance point and sorry that happened to you. So many are still living, breathing and defending the great deception. Even those that are vaccine injured, A friend of mine's wife was a vaccine nazi all the way through posting pro vaccine propaganda and worshipping at the alter of our ex supreme leader down here in the peoples republic. She ended up getting POTS shortly after being jabbed and is still seriously afflicted with it. Now spends her days educating everybody about how bad her condition is and that "Long Covid" is a bitch.
These people are beyond help."Long Covid"
Yes, it is obvious to me "long covid" is being used as a cover for a hell of a lot of jab damage.
The non-jabbed also get "long covid"
The non-jabbed also get "long covid"
Yes, they do get symptoms that are called "long covid". Just another clever way for the government to pretend a lot of people aren't jab damaged.
@[Deactivated]: What do you mean 'to what end', out of scientific curiosity.
I don't know anyone who has long covid.
@trapper: I asked because the stats are googable. However, considering the timeframe & the fact that most GPs & specialists don't appear to assign any importance to the timing of long covid symptoms (if they even ask this information of a patient), I don't think the stats reflect anything at all.
I asked because the stats are googable. … I don't think the stats reflect anything at all.
So which is it? I couldn't find any stats on this.
I would love to see some, if you have something please share.
@trapper: 'You guys' trade stats like nobody's business yet you claim that you cannot locate any on long covid?
Thanks - Well and truly at the acceptance point and totally accept I fell for it. I had never been subject to such an intense propaganda campaign and wrote off people saying they wouldn't get the jabs as nuts. How could they possibly go against everyone saying they needed it?
Fortunately I had no ill effects, however my partner of the time got a clot in her leg and ended up hospitalised after her second jab. She could have died if she was not seen when she was. She was a nurse actively working in COVID hot care facilities, so COVID was a constant threat to them in that scenario. She also thought she was doing the right thing. and had mandates imposed upon her as part of her job. Basically, take this jab or you won't be able to afford your home anymore. I understand why she went with the jab - Same reason I did - Coercion. I use that word specifically because it is now allowed under the Nuremberg Code. Alas, the behavior of the leaders of the day has been completely excused and they now actively deny there was any coercion.
I've also completely reformed my own opinions and now see government action with a healthy level of skepticism. I've learned a lot from the experience as well as listening to both sides of an argument without automatically assuming what we hear from government and media is correct. I am taking it as an opportunity to grow and learn from mistakes, but I'll admit it has infused me with a very unhealthy level of distrust in all things medicine.
but I'll admit it has infused me with a very unhealthy level of distrust in all things medicine.
If you ever decide to dig deeper into the history of vaccination, or research the cancer industry, it'll totally destroy any trust remaining in modern medicine.
Glad to hear you've not suffered ill effects, but sorry about your nurse partner.
but I'll admit it has infused me with a very unhealthy level of distrust in all things medicine.
This is what concerned me most while witnessing this vaccine propaganda disaster unfold, the long-term damage to people's trust in medicine and vaccines. It's hard to blame people for this…
It's important to remember that there are many vaccines that do actually work, and are highly effective in protecting us from serious diseases.
Measles is of particular concern for children.
@trapper: @trapper
This is a good one to understand the pros and cons, particularly for measles as you mentioned.@sintro: I don't quite get her argument.
She thinks natural immunity to measles is better than vaccine acquired immunity, which may well be true.
But to get natural immunity children will have to risk dying from measles…
But to get natural immunity children will have to risk dying from measles…
From 1962:
"This self-limiting infection of short duration, moderate severity, and low fatality has maintained a remarkably stable biological balance over the
centuries."https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1522578/pdf/amj…
Sorry to say it, but at some point there was a shift to viewing measles as a large threat. Who does it benefit to think this way?
Measles killed millions of people a year in 1962.
https://files.ozbargain.com.au/upload/442669/107575/siri_ari…
Around the one hour five minute mark:
https://rumble.com/v3qkv9p-live-arizona-legislators-hear-exp…
Talking about people being brainwashed into thinking that persistent excess mortality is a side effect of little or no significance… In Australia we've had ~450 extra people dying each week for over 18 months now.
@infinite: Thats real crazy science denier talk. The covid pandemic still exists. It being downgraded from the highest alert level within the last year doesnt change that.
@Gehirn: Jesus, how cooked are you?
The Federal Government declared the Covid pandemic was over in Australia, around two years ago. The WHO themselves announced they believed the pandemic by their own classifications had ended everywhere in the world about 5 months ago (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgmgFDA4fb4).
You should really crawl out of the bunker and rejoin society mate. Your missing out on living the one life you have. You don't need to keep carrying on like a cooked science-denier.
@infinite: From the Australian Government:
"The COVID-19 pandemic declaration is still active."
https://www.health.gov.au/topics/covid-19/about#current-stat…Your WHO video did not say that. They only downgraded the alert level.
"I declare covid-19 over as a global health emergency however that does not mean covid-19 is over as a global health threat Last week Covid-19 claimed a life every three minutes. Covid is here to stay"Why do you keep lying about your links? What sort of bad trolling is that were you provide evidence against your claim?
@ldq: the boosted sheep dont understand why the whole world has had excess deaths after vaccinations, and it all starting happening straight after the vaccinations,and continues to happen, i let the sheep work it out, surely there is some smart sheep to a degree, they all cant be docile
Just the two I was coerced into through threatening my job and my ability to participate in society
Like Bullion78 says, I'm also sorry you were coerced.
Have you experienced any ill effects from the jabs?
Thank you I appreciate your understanding. I'm the first to admit now I was fooled, but back then I did not fully understand what was happening. I got off pretty free with no clots or heart problems apparent since the jab.
More unvaxxed represented here than what I thought there would be.
The government claimed 97.5% have had at least 1 shot.
If the government can lie about the effectiveness of the vax, what else are they willing to lie about.
When the news outlets kept showing graphs about how many people were getting vacced in each state, they were all prediction based, there is no way they could track that information accurately and in real time no less.
Of course they could. Every vaccination you ever get it stored on your Medicare file within a few hours of it occurring, compare that data to population statistics and you easily have that number.
What is more likely is that conspiracy theorists click on ozbargain forum links related to a conspiracy theory, while most normal people do not click or bother to vote.
Looks like the word conspiracy is your ‘safe word’. …if you know what I mean.
@Bullion78: I haven’t paid attention so I guess not. That’s why it’s cringe when it’s someone’s goto response
Do I believe there’s corruption? Of course.
What is more likely is that
Do You Have a Single Fact to Back That Up?
@ssfps: Yes actually, I have health data from 100+ countries with vaccination rates. Do you have any evidence contrary to this?
What is more likely is that conspiracy theorists click on ozbargain forum links related to a conspiracy theory, while most normal people do not click or bother to vote.
Do You Have a Single Fact to Back That Up?
@ssfps: You want proof that conspiracy theorists are more likely to engage in conspiracy theory topics? lmao have at it champ, there are 1000+ peer reviewed papers on this exact thing.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6860422/
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2018.0018…
conspiracy theorists click on ozbargain forum links related to a conspiracy theory, while most normal people do not click or bother to vote.
You're making some very dangerous assumptions here.
@ginormousgiraffe: Damn man why are you so obsessed with conspiracy theorists?
Can someone simply not want the jab without being a conspiracy theorist?
Are you like this with people who aren’t interested in the normal flu vax?
@Cusack: Hey mate, I was replying to a comment directly asked of me.
For the record I don't care if anyone doesn't get an optional vaccine, i.e. covid or flu. But scientific denialism is moronic.
But scientific denialism is moronic.
I agree, which is why I pay so much attention to the published journal articles that report on the reproducibility crisis, especially among disciplines like psychology and sociology.
What is more likely is that sociology papers discussing /r/conspiracytheory are very low quality and likely unreliable
@ginormousgiraffe: Sadly the Covid clot shot wasn't optional for most low to middle income earning Australians, if they wanted to keep their employment or house.
Anything that government personnel can get benefit from, they will go the extra mile. I truly believe that money makes the world go round.
Do you think there is no corruption in the government, then think again.
The government claimed 97.5% have had at least 1 shot.
That was of eligible people. I think it was like 84% of total people that was fully vaccinated(2 shots)
Because Ozbargain is a niche online community. Which doesn't represent the general Australian population.
Spoiler alert - the public servants that put out that statement were knowingly lying.
I think there was no bikies option so results are skewed.
A true Ozbargainer would have the vaccine because it's free
They lied then and they lie now.
I’ve had the vaccine 4 times now and I can’t stop buying Office 365 and Gamepass subscriptions. I’ve had to sell my house to afford them and my wife has left me and taken the kids. Please help.
should have got the Turkish variant. Would have saved some money with those side effects.
Im still on my 2nd.
Look on the bright side - with all that 5G in your body, you will soon be able to make phone calls ….. without needing a phone!
'can’t stop buying'
so the mind implant is working - just relax and go with the (cash)flow …
had 3 shots - got COVID overseas ('Worst Sore Throat Ever') - came back and got a 4th shot - but I'm old so a 4th was recommended - and having just read this about aerosol transmission I'll probably get any next recommended variant update shot too thank you vary much
Out of curiosity, what was the thinking behind having a 4th shot directly after having COVID (and quite likely natural immunity)? What were you hoping the 4th would help you with that the 3rd did/didn't?
Had 5 shots, had covid after my 2nd shot, nothing since
Watched all my family get covid, my poor son as had it 4 times, he's had 2 shots, still too young to get another.
This is fantastic, this is an example of neurolinguistic programming:
https://youtu.be/zI3yU5Z2adI?si=yr8lfu5bmw2l7TBC
I won't forget how cruel and idiotic the human race was during that period and no doubt more to come.
I am absolutely disgusted by the subhuman level of intelligence that went on.
Shame!!
Great vid and good point. Many people became rabid-like and/or violent, whether about scarcity of goods, or following some arbitrary guidelines. I'm not sure who is more evil - the people so overwhelmed with hysteria that they lashed out, or the institutional servants who dispassionately enforced unnecessary and inhumane quarantines, house-arrests, and removal of people from employment.
I can't tell how sick I felt during that period. I honestly wouldn't have cared much, but because I have 2 young kids, I felt like it was destroying their early years. They cannot go to Kmart, the library, playground, NO WHERE!! And I lost it mentally. I cannot fathom how intelligent people around me were falling for the BS!!
Cannot people read?
If it wasn't for Malone, my mental state would be destroyed. It was him who provided study after study showing what was wrong. He ripped apart the vaccine for almost 3 years showing us what will happen today. He was a government advisor for childhood vaccines. No one more qualified than him.
He even said, they will blame you for taking the vaccine and no one was forced. And that happened. There's a video that shows all the leaders and Pfizer themselves saying, no one was forced a few months ago.
But now we know right, now we know what they're capable of. Make sure you keep good company for those who didn't fall for this. They're intelligent. They can read. They didn't succumb to mass psychosis.
This is fantastic, this is an example of neurolinguistic programming:
https://youtu.be/zI3yU5Z2adI?si=yr8lfu5bmw2l7TBC
This one is a nice piece of satire: Kaufman Institute For Coincidence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZZFnNwdgqQHow do you instantly assess the intelligence of someone? Tell them that if 90% of the population is vaccinated and that the vaccinated make up 80% off all deaths from covid, that is actually proof that the vaccine works.
It's a fun game.
https://www.fda.gov/media/151733/download
"From Dose 1 through the March 13, 2021 data cutoff date, there were a total of 38 deaths, 21 in the COMIRNATY group and 17 in the placebo group. None of the deaths
were considered related to vaccination."All cause mortality higher in the jabbed group, lower in the control group. The investigators in the trial made a decision that no one in the experimental group died from the jab. Who here would accept this determination, & not have questions?
The FDA simply accepted it & proceeded to "authorize" or "approve" the jab.
here are some extracts from news
Kerryn Phelps reveals COVID vaccine injury, calls for more …
Sydney Morning Herald
https://www.smh.com.au › … › Coronavirus pandemic
20 Dec 2022 — The former Australian Medical Association president said she and her wife had long-term symptoms after vaccine shots
5 Jan 2023 — Jackie Stricker-Phelps began her '19 months of hell' just minutes after her first Pfizer jab in May 2021 and still suffers horrifying ..they thought vax was good like many others,
bottom line, every country that had a reasonable uptake of vax, starting getting excess deaths from any causes
this has happened straight after the following the vax uptake, just about every country
AUSTRALIA had about 25,000 excess deaths, with more populated countries much more deaths
NOTE - EXCESS DEATHS mentioned here are from absolute any cause, not refering at covid
every previous years no countries were getting high excess deaths,
why straight after covid ?
AU government refuses to lodge a enquiry investigation as to why we had 25k excess deaths
what are they hiding
theirs emerging evidence the vax has contribute to the excess deaths
and the governments of the world continue to cover it up, and silence the truthask "The former Australian Medical Association president DR Phelps" what she thinks of the vax
AUSTRALIA had about 25,000 excess deaths, with more populated countries much more deaths
That Pfizer trial data showing more deaths in the jabbed group has actually translated into the real world. About 20% increase in mortality. The way the ABS calculated the baseline when working out the provisional mortality stats means, in effect, they tried to present the best possible scenario of excess mortality. It is highly likely more than what the stats show.
But, you see, to the "scientists" here & elsewhere, this is far too simplistic an answer. Data needs to be tortured in order to fit into the narrative of "safe & effective".
Got jabbed enough times to avoid getting dismissed from my workplace, and have no $ to pay for my home and end up homeless.
I don't have many regrets in life… but letting the government force their vax program on me is one of them.
What about evading fares?
Sorry to hear it. Any ill effects from the jabs you've had, or noticed in those around you?
I was living in Sweden during the pandemic and watched (from afar) the horror of misinformation about the efficacy of the vaccines (that they were safe and effective), exaggerated stories about the danger of COVID + saw Australians coerced to vilify (scapegoat) those who chose not to get vaccinated.
It felt to me that public sentiment in Sweden was about a year ahead of Australia. While people were initially alarmed (in Sweden)… because the COVID waves hit early, people were able to move forward earlier (+ realise that the initial uncertainty and 'danger' of COVID was way overblown). The contrast between my reality in Sweden (living with COVID, no masks, no fear, normal life) vs the general alarm + sentiment of fear when talking to friends and family in Australia… make me realise just how much the media (and government) is able to sway public sentiment (as the headlines in Australia generally reflected the public sentiment/ideas… at least in my family/friend circles).
My experiences made it not to be cynical, especially when the Australian Health Authorities seemed to be ignoring the latest research at the time - research that brought into question how safe and how effective the vaccines were. Especially when family and friends ended up hospitalised with heart conditions (friends in their 20s) or Gullian Barr Syndrome etc from vaccine injuries, yet had not effective way of speaking out (whistle-blowing)… silenced.
exaggerated stories about the danger of COVID
Sweden has less than half the population of Australia and more covid deaths.
And a death rate multiple times higher than their neighbouring countries that locked down.my reality in Sweden (living with COVID, no masks, no fear, normal life)
No restrictions didn't help the vulnerable. Swedens death toll for over 60's was over 20,000 compared to Australia's around 11,000.
Swedens death toll for over 60's was over 20,000 compared to Australia's around 11,000.
Only old people, who cares.
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/8684349/redirAlso ignoring the clear societal differences between Sweden and Australia, which Mr Womvmbat agreed with back then
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/8684957/redirDirectly comparing rather different cultures and societies with regards to how their population behaves with respect to government recommendations or guidelines is a definite contributing factor. You don't need lockdowns if your society is already much more likely to adhere to government or health recommendations/guidelines and have a higher level of society responsibility.
Interesting looking back at the old thread. You've got morons citing stats like 10x the mortality rate of the flu during a period where all the stats were "projections" and "extrapolations" because they had nfi.
For someone who had a lot of time on their hands to go back to my posts from over three years ago…you've totally misunderstood (and misrepresented me) on both takes here. Take some more time to consider the context of my comments (time you clearly have) and try again.
You are selecting these facts very carefully to support an idea. Try looking at Sweden in context of Europe. Also looks at Sweden's excess deaths in the last 3 year vs the rest of Europe… (or even Australia for that matter) and you many find a different conclusion.
I'm selecting these facts because you were the one making a sweden vs australia comparison in those areas. You're saying the danger of covid was overblown and a normal life was possible is not reflected in the numbers showing what covid does in the face of minimal restrictions compared to a country that had harder ones.
Australia has around 10,000 more excess deaths over the three years than Sweden. Close but less than double that of Sweden's total, and given we are more than double the population I dont think you can draw anything too much from that.
What you think the mortality rate for the vaccinated compared to the unvaccinated?