It's nearing the end of 2023, how many vaccines are you up to? Are you planning on getting more?
How Many COVID Vaccines Did You Get?
deme on 01/10/2023 - 12:00
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@greatlamp: Something for you to review, you're old enough to do that research now. I threw 40 links at people last 2-3 years. It's up to you now.
But, I'll listen to you instead of the inventor of the tech that it's not gene therapy.
I never knew people on here knew more than the guy who had 9 patents and 12,500 citations on the technology. But believe whatever makes you happy.
It's actually anti-human. At least the way it is being currently done.
i bet this guy also thinks all natural products = good and all man made = bad
like natural asbestos vs man made fermented milk (aka cheese)
i bet this guy also thinks all natural products = good and all man made = bad
There is a wise use of technology, & then there are unwise ways to yield it.
One of my deepest desires is to help people re-orient themselves (especially scientists) to a wise way of working with nature. Not trying to dominate it, which is what is currently being promoted.
Nature provides answers to everything, but like the concept of free choice, free will (which people like NYH want to control/abolish through technology), it is up to us to listen, learn & choose the right path.
@furythree: Does fermented milk instruct your DNA to make cheese? That's how idiotic your comparison is.
@greatlamp: It's stealth, it bypasses thanks to its design, where natural infection doesn't, meaning the vaccine gives you billions more spike proteins and on top of that TELLS YOUR DNA TO PRODUCE spike proteins for 6-8 months or forever, we don't know.
@trapper: This guy doesn't even do the basics, can't even Google search (and if they did, they would accept an arts major fact-checker, than the founder of the tech), more like ignorantlamp!
@greatlamp: If you're not going to bother researching, why are you commenting?
NATURAL infection doesn't stay in your body PRODUCING spike proteins for months and months on end, there are no STUDIES showing how long this synthetic gene therapy continues to produce. Some studies still see it 6-8 months making spike proteins, WHICH IS WHY I SAID BEFORE, that it's more of a DNA role THAN RNA!
NATURAL infection doesn't stay in your body PRODUCING spike proteins for months and months on end
Yes, it does. The COVID virus keeps reproducing itself until either your immune response kills all copies, or the Virus has infected enough of your cells to kill you.
The vaccine introduces RNA that manufacturers spike proteins. The spike proteins are not copies of the vaccine, and are NOT self reproducing. You criticise the vaccine for not providing long lasting immunity, but also claim the spike proteins last for an unknown long period of time. Not only is this not true it's not possible.
You tell me I haven't done my research, you have been fed false information, and are unable to identify it because you lack education in this space.
@greatlamp: NATURAL INFECTION lasts 1-2 weeks.
GENE-THERAPY tells your DNA to make spike proteins for as much as 6-8 months studies have found and don't know how long after that!!
@RocketSwitch: Are you sure you aren't confusing spike proteins with spike protein antibodies?
Show me the study, I will read it.
You tell me I haven't done my research, you have been fed false information.
Have you considered what McKernan has written about dna contamination & integration?
https://news.rebekahbarnett.com.au/p/interview-with-kevin-mc…
“But we're finding the DNA contaminant at a CT of like 15 to 16.”
“They're injecting a million times more contaminant in every shot. So it's it's not a small amount.”
“The protein in the vaccine is only two amino acids different, two prolines. But at the DNA level, they [the vaccine manufacturers] codon optimised, which means that the DNA that codes for the [spike] protein is dramatically different. It's actually only 72% identical at the DNA level.”
“The SV40 72 base pair enhancer in the Pfizer vaccine is what is used to drive DNA into the nucleus. It’s used in gene therapies. There's a gentleman who's published on this named David Dean out of Rochester University. He uses that particular sequence, and when you read his work, you can see that it’s effective at getting DNA into the nucleus, which is what you need to make gene therapy work.”
“The Pfizer trial showed there's lymphocytopenia and neutropenia, which are your white blood cell counts dropping for seven days after vaccination. That was in healthy people in the trial. If you were to measure that effect in the elderly who are more immuno-compromised, it would last longer. So if you lower the immune system and you're putting in these integration events, and we have some evidence that the spike protein has an impact on [important cancer inhibitors] BRCA1 and P53 according to a controversial paper from Jiang, et al., that's a triple hit. Right?”
“There are two papers, Alden, and Sattar, showing a couple of mechanisms at play. Alden shows the [vaccine] mRNA can turn into DNA. The Sattar paper shows the spike protein has a Nuclear Localisation Sequence (NLS) and it drags its own mRNA into the nucleus, which is a really curious finding.”
“We should start measuring this and find out at what frequency genomic integration occurs. Because a piece of DNA could get in there that has an open reading frame and that could make some type of protein that becomes antigenic. [i.e.: It makes an antigen that the immune system sees as foreign and wants to destroy] Genomic integration may only happen in a minority of cases, but the end numbers are so large that you can't rule it out. Likewise, the number of molecules that are in each shot isn't ‘one.’ It's like a billion or more of these DNA molecules. So we have billions of contaminants going to billions of people. So it’s bound to be happening in some cells”
“Females are born with about 300,000 oocytes [eggs] for their life, and we know about 1% of the LNPs go to the ovaries. Now, 1% of the 40 billion LNPs per shot, that's 400 million LNPs that go to ovaries that have 300,000 oocytes. Those numbers suggest we have to have some caution.
Sperm may be different because maybe only one of them actually fertilises. And maybe it's not the one that gets integrated. But if it does, if it is the one that has been integrated [with contaminant DNA], the entire cell line of the organism that comes from that fertilisation event is going to propagate that event, right?”“That holds true for stem cells, too, because stem cells are what propagate into all of your other cells. And you still have them in your bone marrow, making all of your blood lines. That’s a concern because there’s so much lymphoma. We’re seeing all these blood cancers popping up now, and people wave their hands. ‘It’s the lockdowns’, or ‘it’s the virus.’ But these things are really starting to escalate after the vaccine program, so there's a temporal correlation with lymphoma and cancers.”
“I did present my findings to the FDA [on 15 June 2023], but they just ignored it. Absolute crickets. All they could focus on was, what the next vaccine should be, which variant they should chase that will be obsolete by the time the next vaccine arrives.”
Cited within the article are links to various scientific publications.
Example being: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-33862-0#ref-CR7McKernan has had hit pieces put out on him. See this one as an example:
https://www.respectfulinsolence.com/2023/06/06/return-of-the…But we're finding the DNA contaminant at a CT of like 15 to 16.”
Yes if the vaccine is contaminated with products left over from the manufacturing process that is concerning. However he also claims to have kept his samples "in the freezer" which seems … odd. It would damage them.
The protein in the vaccine is only two amino acids different, two prolines. But at the DNA level, they [the vaccine manufacturers] codon optimised, which means that the DNA that codes for the [spike] protein is dramatically different. It's actually only 72% identical at the DNA level.”
This is talking about how it would be possible to detect contamination. However the journalist has quoted it here because it sounds 'scary'
The Pfizer trial showed there's lymphocytopenia and neutropenia, which are your white blood cell counts dropping for seven days after vaccination
Again I don't see what the issue is here. Quoted because it "sounds scary"
Females are born with about 300,000 oocytes [eggs] for their life, and we …
How about we determine if there is contamination first before describing a chain of events that leads us to developing 3 eyes. This is irrelevant hypothesising.
samples "in the freezer" which seems … odd. It would damage them.
I see the power of respectful insolence has influenced you.
McKernan has a section in that article called "On Chain of Custody & RNA Integrity" which gives explanations for why the contents of the vials weren't damaged.
I see the power of respectful insolence has influenced you.
I honestly have no idea what this means. I assume it is criticism?
Me highlighting that storing samples in the freezer is odd meant exactly that. Anyone with an understanding of medical science would find that odd, while it would be completely missed by the general public.
Anyone with an understanding of medical science would also realise that highlighting that samples were stored in the freezer is not something I would say to attempt to discredit McKernan. Assuming damage to a sample means assuming that the DNA comtamination would also be damaged - and undetectable. Finding DNA in a damaged sample would be even more impressive.
Your cricisism of me highlights the primary problem with vaccine hesitant individuals (I would say antivaxers but apparently that is a slur now, and I am not interested in simply offending people) relying on their "own research" - which in practice means reading clips or research papers they have found on twitter and social media, without having a background in medical science themselves.
This means these people (I am not sure where you stand I am referring to the other posters in this thread) often present "evidence" that in no way supports what they think it does, for example finding issue with "they died with COVID instead of from COVID", or "the rate of deaths is higher in countries with higher rates of vaccination". These people do not have the experience so they believe and spread logical fallacies.
As a result the entire conversation is flooded with antivax bullshit that originated as sophisticated trolling, and the entire conversation is completely ignored by the medical community.
Actual issues such as contamination in vaccines in the marketplace has no space to be discussed. People who have symptoms of myocarditis and pericarditis are assumed to be lying because the vast majority of antivaxers lie about it. This is the immense harm to society that the anti-intellectual antivax movement has created.
Of course it's much easier to make sheep noises at me and assume I don't know what I am talking about.
I honestly have no idea what this means. I assume it is criticism?
The skeptic article I linked to focuses on "sounds scary" as one argument to debunk what McKernan (& others) are pointing out. You are parroting those arguments, whether deliberately or coincidentally.
I pointed out to you that McKernan in that interview talks about the "integrity" of the rna in the vials, which you have decided to ignore completely.
I pointed out to you that McKernan in that interview talks about the "integrity" of the rna in the vials, which you have decided to ignore completely.
It seems like I wasted my time.
The integrity is irrelevant, what is relevant is finding DNA in the sample. DNA will break down in a poorly stored sample.
Focusing on the integrity of the samples would be something I would do if I intended to present an intellectually dishonest argument.
My other comments are cricisisms of what the journalist decided to clip from what I assume was a lengthy interview, I'm sure McKernan as someone who actually understands medical science wouldn't present such deliberately inflammatory remarks without context.
The integrity is irrelevant, what is relevant is finding DNA in the sample. DNA will break down in a poorly stored sample
Is your argument that dna in a properly stored sample is safe to inject, but broken down dna in a poorly stored sample is not?
@mrdean: No I've already explained my argument twice.
If you are wanting to measure DNA in a sample which is not supposed to contain DNA, and you store the sample poorly, the DNA will be destroyed. You will detect no DNA even if there was DNA in the sample.
If you find DNA AND the sample was poorly stored, then there MUST be DNA in the sample.
I am talking about freezing here. If the sample was stored at too high a temperature the argument would be different
@Gehirn: A grand total of 24 people under the age of 19 have been listed as Covid related deaths since 2019, all of them passed away due to late stage terminal illnesses or accidents & were Covid positive at the time.
https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provis…
The Federal Dept of Health have walked back all claims of Covid deaths now too, re-naming their "Covid 19 Deaths" section in the official government Covid tracking system and website to now be "Covid 19 Associated Deaths" instead. They've also added this underneath that revised headline, everywhere the headline is used:
Factors such as other disease or chronic conditions may also have contributed to or caused deaths associated with COVID-19.
https://www.health.gov.au/health-alerts/covid-19/weekly-repo…
A grand total of 24 people under the age of 19 have been listed as Covid related deaths since 2019.
In Australia, a country that managed it well and had less total cases. Lucky us. I dont know how that changes that young people were at risk throughout the world and many did die.
all of them passed away due to late stage terminal illnesses or accidents
No it doesnt say that, stop lying.
The Federal Dept of Health have walked back all claims of Covid deaths now too, re-naming their "Covid 19 Deaths" section in the official government Covid tracking system and website to now be "Covid 19 Associated Deaths" instead.
That change is not saying there was no covid deaths. It is being inclusive of both as a cause and being present at time.
@Gehirn: IT'S LITERALLY SAYS:
"Factors such as other disease or chronic conditions may also have contributed to or caused deaths associated with COVID-19."
LOL LEARN TO READ!
@RocketSwitch: IT LITERALLY SAYS:
"Factors such as other disease or chronic conditions may also have contributed to or caused deaths associated with COVID-19."
LOL LEARN TO READ. IT IS INCLUDING THE DEATHS BY OTHER FACTORS, NOT SAYING THERE WERE ONLY DEATHS CAUSED BY OTHER FACTORS.
@Gehirn: But if you had any skills in research, and stop cherry picking your shit, you could finally live a life not filled with ignorance.
I'll do the work for you, lazy:
https://covid19.who.int/region/wpro/country/au
23,601 deaths
https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/covid-19-mortality-australia…
1,671 deaths due to COVID-19
71.2% of people who died from COVID-19 had pre-existing chronic conditions certified on the death certificate.
EAT IT!!
That's right, that's how deadly this virus was, thanks to people like Gehirn cherry picking their shit.
@RocketSwitch: You're so angry, you need to walk away and relax.
Infinite said no people died from covid as the main cause, and no young people died. I refuted that, you argued against that, and now you post ABS data confirming that 9% of those people died from solely covid, and that were young deaths. I made no claim on how deadly the virus was.
If you think I'm cherry picking data from the sources you and infinite post, maybe you should stop making statements that are disproven with your own posted sources.
@Gehirn: They didn't die solely of Covid. The ABS simply reported that they had Covid as an underlying health condition when they died of whatever the actual cause of death was.
@infinite: Maybe the ABS should make their report simpler or you could choose to stop misrepresenting it because it clearly says that there are solely Covid deaths, "Reported alone on certificate, 150 people, 9 percent."
@trapper: You know what's amazing, I read the document Pfizer gives with the vaccine, I downloaded when the madness began. They SPECIFICALLY MENTION effects on transmission WEREN'T STUDIED! It literally mentions it, in the OFFICIAL documents.
Later on, Pfizer said, IT LIED ABOUT THE EFFECTS ON TRANSMISSION late this year with the hearings.
YET, you have these people commenting saying it did. AMAZING, ABSOLUTELY AMAZING.
SHEEP, and ignorant. THERE IS NO OTHER WORD FOR IT.
@RocketSwitch: Yes, an outright lie repeated all over the world.
The vaccine effect on transmission was never even looked at.
Health officials just made it up with no evidence at all - purely as an argument to vaccinate young people who were at no risk from the virus.
Question, I'm aware of some of the immediate effects it had on people, but what about the longer term effects? Any studies on that? I took 2 shots in 2021, regret it soo much and it continues to worry me.
Let me put this to you. If the vaccine has such a short duration of action that immunity barely lasts 6 months, and the direct effect of the vaccine (production of spike proteins) only lasts around 1 month, why is there such a serious concern about unknown long term side effects?
Side effects don't emerge out of nowhere, they are based on a biological action. The antivax crowd don't understand biology so they hypotethise risks without context. Don't fall into the paranoia.
Many people have developed long term illnesses after the receiving the vaccine - especially immune related disorders.
This is well documented and not some hypothetical thing you can 'logic' away.
This damage to the immune system for example doesn't magically disappear when the spike proteins are no longer being produced, it is likely now a life long condition for some people.
I'm not here to argue but it's just that there's a lot of conflicting evidences and experiences about it, and I feel like it would've been safer or smarter to just avoid those vaccines altogether given the unknowns/conflicting reports/etc. I'm not trying to pick a side, I just feel like those who didn't take it have nothing to lose or worry about, and I'd rather be in their position (albeit a couple years later and covid nowhere near as threatening).
those who didn't take it have nothing to lose or worry about
Yes those who refused to get the vaccine imply the alternative is risk free. The reality is over the space of 2 years of a pandemic your chances of never getting COVID are very small. There is no risk free alternative. If you really believe you would never have caught COVID then yes, there is no advantage of a vaccine.
However your thinking around the risks are not realistic, and getting COVID has proven long term consequences, you can look up some of the stories from people diagnosed with long COVID for perspective
our calculations of the risks are not realistic, and getting COVID has proven long term consequences, you can look up some of the stories from people diagnosed with long COVID for perspective
I've read multiple individual submissions to the "long covid" parliamentary enquiry, & what's interesting is that all those individuals I picked at random to read indicated they had multiple jabs. Their symptoms correlated post jab (as did their catching "covid").
@mrdean: Yes, you keep implying things without saying them. What are you concluding? So what if they had multiple jabs? So what if their long COVID symptoms developed after they had been vaccinated?
How is it possible for someone who was vaccinated to develop long COVID symptoms - a long term condition - at any other time except in the long term?
How is it possible for someone who was vaccinated to develop long COVID symptoms - a long term condition - at any other time except in the long term?
I think you are missing his point.
If you want to study long covid then the study should be done on unvaccinated people, otherwise you may actually be studying 'long covid-vax'
@trapper: I agree with you. What was implied was that there was some association between COVID vaccination and long COVID, using information from Australia (where most people have been vaccinated) is misleading because it is confounding the two.
It wouldn't be difficult to round up a cohort of unvaccinated people that did not fully recover from COVID in the USA for example
@Bladeyyy21: The first thing I did was listen to the guy who invented that technology. I have never gone back. Why are you reading anything else that's not from the Founding Fathers?
I just feel like those who didn't take it have nothing to lose or worry about, and I'd rather be in their position
Actually, the reverse may be true. Things may be a whole lot worse than people think they are.
https://anamihalceamdphd.substack.com/p/on-universal-antidot…
The injections may have been one way to infect the global population with who knows what & for who knows why reasons.
@mrdean: I think you may have misread my comment. I'm agreeing with you guys that it's probably safer to not have gotten the jabs
I think you may have misread my comment. I'm agreeing with you guys that it's probably safer to not have gotten the jabs
I agree with you. I'm just pointing out it may be everyone has been contaminated to some degree, jabbed or not.
No one knows, anyone saying so is ignorant (they think they know how it works, and they don't even understand the basics). You can't fast-track long-term studies.
And as the months roll on, they will say, we didn't force you and more and more, it's not looking good.
Oh funny enough, im currently working on an extremely early phase of a research about this, but more rather the effects of the Virus itself. When i say early i really mean, ive mentioned it to people who could help me do a study and they said maybe. I have no funding… doing a research study is hard.
Anyways, from just general data ive gotten at work, the affect of the Virus itself has been tremendous, especially the early variants, like ive noticed ischaemia in brains of patients that you would never expect them to have, especially at a relatively young age. I even had scans of the patients before Covid, and it seemed healthy at the time. These patients came because they mentioned more brain fog and difficulty concentrating. Lungs in other patients were scarred and patchy, so they complained about shortness of breath or just unsatisfactory breathing.
Ill be honest, im not sure what affects people have been getting from the vaccine, but the virus itself, that terrifies me a bit more.
So the idea that gene therapy turns your body into a SPIKE PROTEIN FACTORY with no long-term data of HOW LONG this lasts DOESN'T TERRIFY YOU? COME ON, you're a bloody researcher!!!
How can you not understand how the vaccine works and not be terrified that it sends them EVERYWHERE in your body with billions more spike proteins than natural infection? For as long as 6-8 months studies have found.
@RocketSwitch: This is the perspective I've been trying to show you. In comparison to the virus the vaccine is benign. You are greatly exaggerating the dangers of the vaccine and ignoring the proven harms of the virus. The antivax community has been calling COVID "just the flu" for years and that leads to these false conclusions.
@greatlamp: Don't use antivax as a means to have superiority over me, because that's exactly what you're doing, weaponising shit against me. I have all my life relied on studies and science (and people throw anti-science and antivax around like dog shit). When I needed guidance on this mess I went back to the start and found the inventor on this topic, which you guys seem to think you know MORE than he does.
Anyway, I give you the master, you can fight him:
https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1708826762816155808
Links to the patents:
@RocketSwitch: The antivax have always held themselves as intellectually superior. If you rely on the science then rely on the science as I am doing, start with what the vaccine is designed to do.
The responses here have used inaccurate information presented by journalists and politicians as evidence that doctors are lying, ignore the risks of COVID infection while focusing on the risks of the vaccine (not something a health professional has the luxury of doing), hypothesise side effects that haven't even occurred, and now I see they even bundle the risks included in contaminated samples as applying to all vaccinations.
I want to discuss the truth, and I am tired of people (who claim they are NOT antivax) continually presenting logical fallacies and misinformation that comes from antivax sources.
I want to discuss the truth,
Then stop calling people "anti-vaxxers", a label used to denigrate, ridicule & close down any discussion of the "truth".
@mrdean: That isn't what I am doing. People are influenced by antivax ideas, they have reached mainstream popularity.
I made the mistkae of rushing to get the pfizer vaccines, by the time i had the booster / 3rd shot (december 2021) I got hit hard, first with vertigo etc but then the worst part was I got myocarditis. And frankly doctors didnt really want to know bout it till i went to a specialist. They were all afraid or wasnt sure what to do or who to report it too. I only even went to get it looked at seriously because a couple of my friends and 1 work colleague also had similar symptoms and they had good doctors who were willing to provide information on it all.
I still havent fully recovered from it and may never but it depends on some factors. I just wish they had been more visible and upfront with information on it and also if something did happen, who to go to and who to report it too. I went for months without it being properly diagnosed.
You deserve apologies for what happened, compensation & free treatment for life. Sorry to hear about it.
If those doctors you saw didn't know who to report it to, just imagine how many more have gone unreported & are not counted in any statistics.
All the best,
Yup, that was the scary part, how nervous or unsure they were, I had never seen these doctors like this before as i had been to them for years. They were worried or afraid of being blamed or something it was just odd. And it made me realise, there are so many who had these symptoms or less but didnt actually properly get it looked at besides maybe a GP saying give it time and it will go away. Frankly the stats on this is way off because i know quite a few people who never got it checked out but only found out what was going on after i told them my experiences and in turn thats how i found out what to do with my symptoms from other people.
Its because it really wasnt spelt out to you that if you have this or that symptom, you should report it to this system / phone no. / clinic etc and they will redirect you to where to go or whom to see etc.
Crazy thing is I actually play a lot of sport (I do weights or sports every single day) and i was told after the fact, that sometimes the advice is to not do any activity for 6 months , other advice was i should have had it looked at quicker as something could have happened due to those high intensity activities and my symptoms.
it was just odd
I wouldn't say odd, there was a "memo" from AHPRA to health professionals in effect saying don't question the jabs. The AMA would of given similar guidance. The profession seems to have become one ruled by fear & dictated to by bureaucrats.
you should report it to this system / phone no. / clinic etc
The TGA say they have "robust" surveillance systems in place, but this is just sugar coating. When was the last time you saw an ad campaign reminding the public to report adverse reactions to any medications? Never. What about a doctors/nurses education campaign? I suspect they've neither done one either, or if they have it was very low key.
The reporting system itself is cumbersome, takes a long time, is unreliable at times. At least that is what people who have used the systems have said.
@mrdean: Yes , I agree, thats what i started to see at the end. I noticed some doctors and specialists (especially people i had known much longer or were family friends) were more open to telling me what other patients were also coming to see them about and i wasnt alone, but this was down the track, It was just hard to get anyone to tell me any hard facts or point me in the direction i needed to go.
any hard facts or point me in the direction i needed to go.
Can I ask if you've been put on any medication for your condition?
I got myocarditis
Sounds like a right wing anti-vax conspiracy theory! In seriousness, what an awful thing you've been through - I sincerely hope your health improves over time. It's sad that your trust in these systems failed you and others so deeply. All the best
It's coming from 4m reported on VARES (catastrophic injuries and disabilities) and 40,000 deaths! That's 90% underreported! GET IT?
What the hell do you think overwhelmed the health system? COVID or VAX INJURIES?
@RocketSwitch: You are a wonderful story teller.You rival Hans Christian Andersen, but come over more like the Brothers Grimm
@Protractor: You should go ahead and expend your seemingly endless energy on explaining the persistent excess deaths across the Western world. They correlate fully with the start of the roll-out, they still persist many months after the "pandemic", the alleged covid component is minimal. Countries less successful in mandating their populations have no excess deaths or lower numbers.
@ldq: Don't you see how these stats are cherry picked to push an antivax agenda? Doesn't it bother you when you are lied to?
Countries that didn't have mandates are not equivalent to countries that did have mandates. Name them and it will be obvious to you - the official statistics of India or Brazil are not comparable to Australia, they didn't have enough vaccines, they didn't have the infrastructure to vaccinate their population, and they didn't even have the infrastructure to monitor the situation. The COVID deaths and morbidity figures in 3rd world nations are under-reported.
@greatlamp: You are clutching at straws. I was talking about the EU countries, the Central/Eastern European countries (Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania) have no excess mortality and lower rates of jabbination. The infamous Sweden with its "controversial" policies is doing much better.
I was not talking about covid deaths, but about the overall mortality and excess deaths. There is no subjectivity there.@ldq: So you should compare them to other countries in Europe where the circumstances are similar, but with the high rates of vaccination and lockdowns.
@greatlamp: Is it not exactly the point I was making? There is a strong correlation between excess deaths and higher rates of vax.
@ldq: Yes that correlation is possible. The problem is you are trying to draw a conclusion from it that is illogical.
Both deaths and vaccinations have a common third association - the rate of COVID infections. You need to control for that with a comparison.
This is basic statistics that seems to be completely ignored again and again.
@greatlamp: As illogical as the idea that smoking causes cancer. All considered proven beyond doubt by mere (but lots and lots of it) correlation and association. You are basically like the defenders of tobacco industry in 70s or whenever it was when tobacco was trying to strike back.
But I digress, sorry. I am talking about excess death which are current, this year. There are no covid infections of any significance, covid is very mild now and should not be a factor at all. But people are dying in excessive numbers where the roll-outs were "successful".@ldq: No it's like comparing the rates of lung cancer with the amount of restrictions to buying cigarettes, and saying countries with high rates of lung cancer have more restrictions on cigarettes.
That can be true, it doesn't tell you anything.
@ldq: There is no such correlation and you haven’t presented one.
It is totally invalid to compare countries without stratifying the population by their vaccination status.
But when you do that, your argument falls apart because you’ll find the vaccinated have a lower excess death rate.
@haemolysis: It would have been such an easy exercise to support the cultists like yourself and justify the covid atrocities - just give us the mortality stats with the vaccination status and demonstrate that it is the unvaxxed cookers dying in droves driving up the excess deaths. We'd certainly see what falls apart.
I feel like casting pearls, but if you think about it, there are simply not enough unvaxxed to do that, the poll here is pretty robust - 12% of the adult population cannot drive up the numbers for the entire population by 15-20% for 18+ months in a row.
@ldq: The 12% don’t have to “drive up the numbers”.
It’s possible both groups are up.
But you will find, unvaccinated are up by a lower amount. This is seen pretty consistently.
Excess deaths for all cause mortality has strong correlations to both not being vaccinated and recent covid infection in the preceding 6 months, with the strongest correlations seen in crossover between both groups.
Most likely, as is already widely published, due to post-covid sequelae.
@haemolysis: Why would there be any excess mortality if
a) the pandemic is over since Omicron,
b) before that it caused excess deaths in the elderly cohort,
c) the mandated medical intervention worked as advertised?What you are saying does not make sense, there should lower mortality. What you are saying sounds like a lot of wishful thinking, you want to see higher prevalence of deaths among the unvaxxed and you are even willing to concede excess mortality among the vaxxed to allow for the numbers to stack up. This is simply ludicrous.
Speaking of the allegedly "already widely published" stats that demonstrate your theory I challenge you to give me an example.
I can give you this, according to which the vaxxed/unvaxxed break-down in Britain is 81.5%/18.5%, yet the deaths are 96.7%/3.3%.@ldq: Answers to a) b) and c) are:
a) “pandemic” is over, but covid didn’t go extinct lol. It went from pandemic to endemic. Still kills a handful here and there.
b) Covid causes excess deaths in all cohorts, just elderly more dramatically so.
c) the medical intervention does work as advertised. It currently has an efficacy which is not reported to be 100%. The pamphlets inside the box and passed out by government pretty clearly state you still have some residual risk of infection and death.And for that reason, no, it is not strictly true that you would expect to see a lower excess deaths in the vaccinated. Technically you wouldn’t expect any change at all!
Anyway people who gravitate towards vaccines are those that need them. For instance, immunocompromised.
It shouldn’t be surprising that that cohort has more deaths whilst people who judge themselves to be fit and health and not needing a jab generally dying less. It’s not a shock lol.
But what happens whenever a study tries to account for that bias: the trend reverses and shows unvaxxed at higher risk.
How we control for it? Early days we used blinded studies. Blinded studies are over now, but we have other ways: randomised recruitment, mandated populations (eg health workers) good to look at. Or otherwise just selecting cohort very deliberately like excluding immunocompromised people, etc.
Lots of correlations can be accounted for. But only two cannot:
1) Excess deaths usually follow covid infection, if not directly, then from some secondary illness within 6 months.
2) Excess deaths in that group strongly correlated to people who haven’t been boostered.
What the hell do you think overwhelmed the health system? COVID or VAX INJURIES?
pretty sure those on ventilators and surrounded by doctors who werent just fully robed up for shits and giggles were for vax injuries
@furythree: What do you know? My partner is a nurse in the heart ward, with 30 other nurse friends.
What insider info do you have? Good luck to you.
@RocketSwitch: my friends and family are actual doctors
the amount of mis information being spread about covid and the vaccines is insane
ontop of nurses acting like theyre qualified to give statements on the vaccines, further spreading mis information
its made their life even harder. they already have to work insane 30+ hour shifts, but because of covid the added PPE they had to wear and backed up hospitals adding to their fatigue
100 years of medical science being shaken up by unqualified people who think theyre smarter than everyone cause they read piecemeal information on the internet
theres no "inside information" theres no "conspiracy"
theres just people making it out to be to feel smarter and validate their biases because they didnt want to be inconvenienced
@Protractor This is exactly what i had to deal with when i first started trying to figure out what was happening to me. People didnt believe me, people thought i was making crap up or I am some Anti vaxxer or brainwashed by consipiracy theories. Yet they should have known better as i had never said i was against it TILL I discovered much later on what had happened to me.
. Did you read my post, I SAID I RUSHED to get the Vaccine. I wasnt an Anti-vax, I believed i had to get it ASAP. I got the first shot May 2021 and 2nd in June, and the booster in December. IF you look at those dates, you would see i got it quite early on (Pfizer). Most of my friends were all for the vaccine, I had a couple of people who tried to talk me out of it , and they even mentioned some of the issues i did eventually get. At the time i thought they were wrong and i argued with them over it. In the end i did tell them what happened and they did resist telling me "I told you so" although one did say…"Just remember i did try to tell you".
My family all rushed to get it as well. The thing is you are just as bad as the people you claim to be against, Just purely rejecting what anyone else says.
@lonewolf: Why would you have 2 vaccines a month apart?
How was it allowed and recommended and exactly by who?@Protractor: It was the recommended 6 weeks apart, early may and end of june. It was by the official one at Olympic park. As far as i knew back then that was the only place that did it.
@Protractor - omg you’re really doubling down now and calling yourself altruistic and everyone who didn’t want the vax isnt? Wow.
Maybe you’re just fearful, and fearful people demand unquestioned compliance from the entire population to feel safer.
It’s ok to be scared but don’t expect everyone else to be
@Cusack: Yup, he has no clue..I saw his comment before he removed it. It goes to show he has no clue on the vaccines or what was recommended. I went to the official place and got the recommended dose which was 6 weeks apart for dose 1 and dose 2 for the Pfizer vaccine. He seems to think the Olympic Park location is some dodgy location and that he has never ever heard of this 2 dose recommended schedule and being 6 weeks apart. Goes on to call me a anti vaxxer…
@Cusack: I think they get paid to do this. No other logical way of looking at it. They couldn't see facts or search for it even if it hit them in the face.
@protractor - Everything You have written indicates that what is driving your responses are "social media malaise and malleable, gullible" beliefs. Come on, to claim that anyone who has suffered a side-effect from a medication is a conspiracy theorists is offensive in the extreme and it makes you as the claimant appear very gullible and manipulated indeed.
@slothhead: The loudest objectors here have never even had a shot.
In any case , for those who have suffered a side effect, to 'assume' without proof there are zero other underlying factors is lazy at best.In any case , for those who have suffered a side effect, to 'assume' without proof there are zero other underlying factors is lazy at best.
Would you agree there is no "proof" the jab was this cause of this womans death?
https://news.yahoo.com/78-old-woman-dies-vaccination-2305096…
Notice the overall tone of the article is to reassure there is no link?
What does common sense say?
Hey may I ask how was your myocarditis diagnosed? Blood test or ECG perhaps, I am very conscious of my heart health and experienced weird heart symptoms after some viral infection but ER doctors found nothing
Does anyone know if/when the new xbb1.5 monovalent vaccines are going to be available in Australia? Kinda due for a booster but don't want to get it if there's a new release on the horizon
Does anyone know if/when the new xbb1.5
Pfizer's raxtozinameran & Moderna's andusomeran are under evaluation by the TGA.
https://www.tga.gov.au/products/covid-19/covid-19-vaccines/c…
Seems like some (profanity) negged you despite you asking a relevant and simple question, balanced it out for yah mate.
balanced it out for yah mate.
Nice. 10 points have been added to your social credit score.
Soon I'll have enuf to get that new house! (laughs in housing market)
Soon I'll have enuf to get that new house! (laughs in housing market)
No-one will be getting anything, we'll be allowed to rent though.
Good news Save Medicare!
TGA granted full registration for both cominarty & spikevax XBB.1.5. on the 6th October 2023!
The messaging has been so bad. I had 3 vaccinations, then got covid anyway this year and can't get a booster for 6 months after testing positive
the vaccinations have an effacy period, so you arent purely immune cause you had 3 or 300, your just more resistant during its effacy period.
and vaccinations arent 1000% foolproof preventions. they just up your chances statistically to be resistant against it and reduce symptoms
since you are still alive today and arent hooked up on a ventilator in the hospital, consider the alternative
remember you only hear the happy stories of survivors where "it wasnt that bad". not the thousdands who didnt make it.
the dead dont whinge about their inconvenience on ozbargain
@RocketSwitch: No, I don't understand why there is an assumption that "gene therapy" (it's not gene therapy, your genes aren't being changed) is more dangerous than natural infection.