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Oh this is tempting…. Although for garden IOT the previous generation would’ve been just fine too since ESP only has 2.4ghz
It still has a single 1Gbps port. Even good wifi 5 APs needed more than that.
Why would wifi 5 need more than a Gbps port?
@mainmast: It’ll become an issue shortly but it’ll either be impossible or very difficult to saturate a 1Gbit link with this specific AP. Noting wireless tends to not actually run at its advertised max performance in the real world.
Soon enough it’ll become an issue, but users will also need to upgrade their routers/switches to 2.5Gbit models which really isn’t the norm today.
@Smigit: Agree, but we are starting to get closer. Maybe Wifi 6 Wave 2 is when we gonna get real over 1Gbps speeds :)
@mainmast: Not in the real world it can't - unless you live on a rural property, the other WiFi networks and clients around you are definitely limiting your maximum throughput to well under 1Gb/s.
It's a none issue 👍
@Nom: A detached house or whole floor in the office tower is usually enough to get a pretty good wifi. According to some reports consumer Wifi 6 devices seem to be hitting 1Gbps speeds with consumer APs in real world.
We are talking about expensive prosumer AP here, surely it should have at least 2x Gbps ports like everyone else :)
@mainmast: 2 x GbE ports won’t double the throughout for a single device unless it has aggregation, which is unlikely for any kind of AP.
What other APs have this?
@Bedgrub: You can expect to have 2x GbE ports on all Wifi 5 Wave 2 APs from major vendors. For example Cisco 1800, 2800 and 3800 series, Aruba (aka HP) any AP and so on. Those APs have been engineered and released 5-6 years ago and multigigabit switches with PoE+ were not a thing back then.
These days (wifi 6) everyone has moved to 2.5 GbE for their wifi products. Cisco has cut down the number of ports to one, Aruba has kept two (which is handy if you do not want to invest into a new switch).
@mainmast: Cisco and Ubiquiti really aren’t in the same class. Cisco is firmly enterprise class and Ubiquiti is prosumer/small business. You posted an article above with 2800/3800 Cisco WAPs . A quick search puts those in the $1000-$2500 range. This device is 1/4 to 1/10 the price. Aruba is also more expensive.
@Smigit: Enterprise does not mean fast or good. A lot of Cisco routers that costs thousands cannot perform a simple NAT (like your router at home) at achieve gigabit speeds. Any decent pfsense router will wipe the floor with them. Enterprise VPN devices are even worse. You can easily pay thousands and get 200 Mbps throughput.
I have posted an article from 2016 to answer a question why wifi 5 needs more than 1Gbps port. We are talking about an expensive Wifi 6 AP here and I pointed out a fairly obvious flaw in specs. Maybe radios or antennas in this AP are not good enough, maybe ubiquity does not have 2.5Gbps PoE+ switches, maybe they decided to segment the market in certain way.
You can get 2800 AP on eBay for less than $200 to server as master and a bunch of 2700 for less than $60 to serve as slaves. 2nd hand 24 PoE+ switch can be had for less than $200 for buy it now or less if you are prepared to wait.
@mainmast: 99.99% of homes would have no need for dual 5Ghz bands in a single AP so once you drop to a regular single 5Ghz band it becomes much harder to exceed 1Gbps, also coupled with how much slower the average internet connection is in Australia since that's predominantly what home wifi is used for.
@BROKENKEYBOARD: So we went from "wifi can't deliver speeds over 1Gbps" to "nobody needs it anyway". This AP is a product for enthusiasts, the 0.001% you are talking about.
This is what consumer wifi 6 devices can do:
https://www.cnet.com/home/internet/asus-rt-ax86u-wi-fi-6-rou…"In our lab, with a MacBook Pro wired to the router's extra-speedy WAN port, we were able to transfer files wirelessly to a Wi-Fi 6-equipped PC at a maximum rate of 1,795 Mbps, or nearly 1.8 Gbps."
Replace MacBook Pro with a half decent NAS and you are killing it with 1.8Gbps speeds.
You can expect to have 2x GbE ports on all Wifi 5 Wave 2 APs from major vendors. For example Cisco 1800, 2800 and 3800 series, Aruba (aka HP) any AP and so on
These are a completely different class of AP - they cost significantly more than the Ubiquiti, and they're designed for larger scale networks - you'll have multiple APs around your commercial premises, spreading your clients around the APs. Less clients means more speed.
It's basically the opposite of what you'll end up with in your home.
"In our lab, with a MacBook Pro wired to the router's extra-speedy WAN port, we were able to transfer files wirelessly to a Wi-Fi 6-equipped PC at a maximum rate of 1,795 Mbps, or nearly 1.8 Gbps."
Again, you can't actually achieve these figures in the real world because you have multiple clients and multiple networks in your home.
A single client speed test is irrelevant - you have multiple devices all competing for (and lowering) throughput in your home 👍
It's still a none issue 👌
These are a completely different class of AP - they cost significantly more than the Ubiquiti, and they're designed for larger scale networks - you'll have multiple APs around your commercial premises, spreading your clients around the APs. Less clients means more speed.
It's basically the opposite of what you'll end up with in your home.
No, the main challenge of enterprise wifi is when everybody gets into a meeting room bringing their laptop, phone, apple watch, tablet and any other gadget that they have. Half of the people are bored and browse internet, laptops download windows updates and so on. You home AP has an easy life comparing to that.
Again, you can't actually achieve these figures in the real world because you have multiple clients and multiple networks in your home.
A single client speed test is irrelevant - you have multiple devices all competing for (and lowering) throughput in your home
You may be confusing theoretical throughput that vendors sometimes put on the box. It looks like ACXXXX where XXXX is number of Mbps. This XXXX is a theoretical number that cannot be achieved in practice even in lab environment.
Imagine wifi as a room full of people. Only one person is allowed to talk at any given time. This essentially limits the throughput to half-duplex and how many words per minute an average person can say. All advancements in modern wifi (wifi 5 and wifi 6) are about allowing more than one person to talk at the same time. The number of people in the room that are not talking does not matter too much, but it does raise the ambient noise level and make things a little bit harder to hear.
You can absolutely get the numbers the CNET got in their office at home. Your wifi devices at home are idling most of the time and it is perfectly reasonable to imagine you downloading a file from your NAS to your laptop at over 1Gbps. It may not happen every time because other members of your household are doing something, but it will happen.
So we went from "wifi can't deliver speeds over 1Gbps" to "nobody needs it anyway".
No was talking about your earlier comment saying "good" wifi 5 APs need more than 1Gbps. It's misleading because unless you have a very niche AP like one with dual 5Ghz radios then it shouldn't need more than a single 1Gbps port.
@BROKENKEYBOARD: Gotcha. Agree, maybe instead of good wifi 5 APs, I should have said some, best or enterprise.
ubiquiti usw-Lite-16-poe $288 delivered is a great deal. Also from wireless1
It’s a nice form factor but it only has a 45w budget, which is only good for 3 cameras or APs. Might suit some sizes cases though.
Discount is calculated at checkout, deal is still valid
Ordered. I've been waiting a long while for these to be available and for a decent price.
Sure, 6E is around the corner but a) they're not out yet, b) they'd super expensive, and c) nothing supports it.
It will pair well with my UDMP. Have a couple of old PoE injectors that came with the AC-Pro that I think are PoE+
Good price, but be aware there is a new model on the way:
Ubiquiti Unifi Dream Machine Pro SEOnly really adds an SSD doesn't it?
No. Has POE as well I believe
Yes, and 2.5Gb Ethernet
@guidedlight: Wow.. my exact criticism of this model, particularly the POE part.
Not that I can say my USG3 and 8port switch don’t get the job done.
The NVR though requires unifi cameras, which are nice but expensive.
My collection of $30 IPCams + motion eye doesn’t really leave me wanting.@[Deactivated]: What's your setup and cameras mate? Currently looking into putting some camera up around the house and as you know there's quite a lot to digest. Cheers
@hodgeyhodgey: Basically a bunch of cheap generic Chinese brand ONVIF cameras.
Search “ONVIF” and “camera”, basically generic IP cameras with a standard RTSP stream.
NOTE: obviously I don’t trust these cameras much, so they are on their own UNIFI network identified with a VLAN tag - this way they can’t talk to the Internet.
My NUC running home assistant joins the VLAN network@[Deactivated]: Legend thank you. Yeah I was planning on the same VLAN + hardware firewall setup. Are yours PoE or wifi?
@hodgeyhodgey: I just got regular 12V cameras and ran 12V in the ceiling… didn’t have enough POE ports after the UAP.
Also they’re connected to some Unifi Flex which doesn’t do POE
@overlook: I guess it depends what else you're running thru the network. If you've got NAS, CCTV etc, that's all network traffic. Generally the router isn't the bottleneck for NBN
@overlook: Yes:
- Better Security
- VLAN
- Honey Pot
- Remote Monitoring and Config
- Auditing
- Unifi Access if you want to upgrade your front door
- Unifi Protect if you want CCTV
@guidedlight: From my understanding the 2.5Gbit is only on the Wan port, and what’s more the backbone for the 8x 1Gbit ports is still limited to 1Gbit total throughput across those 8 ports. To take advantage of the 2.5Gbit port you need to be using a second switch and connect it via the 10Gbit SFP interface.
Chances are that second switch is approaching the cost of the DreamMachine too, or exceeding it, I imagine if you have 10gbit SFP on it. Their lower end models like the 16 port switch for example has 1Gbit SFP ports.
The 2.5Gbit isn’t useless but it’s not as good as it first seems, and it probably won’t factor in at all for most Australians given our available broadband and won’t help say internal network traffic as faster WAPs and the like become available as the 8x ports are still 1Gbit.
I think the most relevant upgrade here is PoE without needing to use another device. It also means if you already have a way to deliver PoE, then maybe the older models worth getting still.
@guidedlight: Cool, thanks. Don't need the PoE as have a 24 port switch. And 2.5gb ethernet isn't that helpful with a 1gb switch.
Might jump on this one.
@kulprit: Not sure if the newer firmware changes this but if you use a non-Unifi PoE switch to connect your wifi APs the analytics on the UDMP dashboard don't work correctly. Also all wifi clients don't show as connected to the wireless APs but rather via the wired UDMP port that the PoE switch is connected to. From memory their were some other Unifi wireless "niceties" that didn't work either.
I moved my 4 APs from my HP/Aruba PoE switch directly to my UDMP with PoE injectors. I still use the HP switch for management LAN clients and all my PoE cameras and then a 10G Netgear XS716T via the UDMP SFP+ port for my servers.
My network sees up to 112 clients at a given time (normally around 70 active continuously (regular household devices and IOT) plus around 50 on the guest network for work devices and visiting family/friends) and the network bottleneck is always the FTTP NBN connection.
This is a UDMP gen1, 1 x UAP AP Pro, 1 x UAP IW HD, and 2 AP nanoHD's (the nano's are garbage on the 2.4G and cause a lot of issues for IOT).
If you need a surveillance solution as well, I find the UDMP definitely worth getting. If not, it might be worth looking at some alternatives depending on your needs. Although, the current UDMP price is half of what I paid 2 years ago.
Changes all ports to PoE, WAN port is 2.5g, internal SSD upgraded from 16g to 128g. For most people probably won’t make much of a real difference.
Do you think 2.5gbit will become standard on unifi offerings going forward?
@[Deactivated]: Could take a while if they're only adding on the WAN port here. Really surprises me it's not on the 8 LAN ports as well given it's becoming pretty much standard everywhere.
@[Deactivated]: I think we will see more of the 2.5 ports in general, they are popping up in standard consumer motherboards, but it will take some time to become more common.
You need PoE+ to power most modern APs (e.g. U6-LR that is in this deal). Regular PoE is only good for older and/or weaker APs or security cameras. Some security cameras with a lot of LEDs may require PoE+ as well.
This is still a great unit and for this price it’s perfect for people wanting something a much more robust and flexible than a home router. The other model will most likely be over 1k when it hits AU shores. And from what I understand Ubiquity will still sell this one.
Robust and flexible, for a home user? I have been using unifi gear for many years and don't recommend their routers for home use for people who aren't IT professionals in their day job.
For ease of use, flexibility (i.e. not having to use cli) and features, go a homer solution like Asus.Certainly didn’t say ease of use, but it is more flexible and for me at least been solid.
Anyone know when the SE is actually going to be available? Seems like it’s been teased early access for a few years
No news, and it breaks my heart. I'm holding off until the SE comes out, but might be waiting another 2 years with the chip shortage.
Released today in Europe and USA Ubiquiti stores
It apparently had jumped in price too.
1Gbps backplane issue remains as well. You’ll have to connect this up to a switch via the 10G uplink if you have high throughput needs.
What is this?
SPF+ protects against the sun's UV?
It's a dream machine, duh
Thank you. I still don’t know what this really is, but now I know in much more technical language. Well beyond my hardware needs!
SFP is a network cable connector standard. It differs from ethernet in that the port itself can be used with various types of optical fibre cables or copper cables. They also are capable of reaching higher speeds, longer distances and with lower power consumption depending on the cable/module that has been used in the port.
@skittlebrau: You can also get SFP with a computer inside:
https://blog.benjojo.co.uk/post/smart-sfp-linux-inside
It's beyond what a home user needs in most cases
@ihfree: Indeed. It’s really in the realm of homelab and small business, which are the main target audiences for this type of device.
It's a glorified firewall that you don't need lol
Noting the Unifi stuff is not commercial grade, it is adequate for home / consumer usage from a security perspective.
Why do you not think a network firewall / IPS / IDS is reasonable for home usage?
I try to go through this path and did bit of a research on this and the pfsense then I realised this be too much work for very little return.
I got an automation setup with 30+ devices and it just work with standard router and switches.
Maybe one day I would give it a try again if I'm single and don't have much to do in life.
Sorry that's just my OP.
Maybe one day I would give it a try again if I'm single and don't have much to do in life.
I’m married with a kid and I still have time to dabble in my homelab hobby. It sounds like this type of thing doesn’t interest you and that’s completely fine :)
I’m slowly getting into home automation myself, which in itself can be quite a rabbit hole.
@skittlebrau: Keyword is hobby, perfectly ok :)
I wouldn't mind playing with pfsense or Ubiquiti echo system, but as hobby not for sake of firewall / IPS / IDS.Unifi stuff is not commercial grade
It is kind of commercial grade, if something goes wrong, it has to be you who can to fix it, but at work, usually there is always some else as redundant fixer.
My main concern is that if I'm away or hit by the bus and something goes wrong with any of the network hardware or software, my whole network would be unusable, not a simple plug and play or turn on and turn off wouldn't fix it. Unfortunately my other half don't have a IT knowledge.
It is a rabbit hole, each time you update something, something else collapse. Things I learn over time, never to upgrade something just before you go on a holiday or always keep backup of all the hardware / software.
Btw, Ubiquiti is a echo system, you need to buy their other product as well. It doesn't stop you with just this. I think Pfsense is a better option as a hobby.
@skittlebrau: I'm the opposite, i have a very elaborate home automation setup with hundreds of devices and have done for a few years already. But i know nothing about networking. I have an Orbi mesh and would love to ditch it and get a Unifi system happening but just dont know where to start.
Home automation i could tinker with at my leisure, so it was enjoyable and more hobby like. Networking on the other hand, i rely on my connection extensively for work so dont have the luxury of spending days problem solving when something goes pear shaped.
@LowRange: Orbi is a really good system. I had that but I ‘upgraded’ to unifi. It has not been a seamless or cheap process and I sometimes wonder if it was worth the effort. The orbi basically just worked 99% of the time for little effort. Unifi whilst generally good gear, has me doing a lot of video watching and searching forums to resolve issues I’ve had. I won’t say don’t do it, but think carefully about the ‘upgrade’. I think I’ve finally got to a happy unifi place but I still haven’t sold the orbi in case I need to deploy an alternative wifi network.
@Pretzal: Yes the Orbi has been really hands off, and i have not had any problems with it as such. But, you cant buy just an additional satellite for the RBK50, and i need one since the house is big on 3 levels, and has 2 sheds in different directions which both need internet.
So it was disappointing buying a system advertising expandable mesh, but Netgear doesnt have the hardware to do it. That's part of the reason i want to get rid of it, and not give Netgear anymore money.
Sorry for the noob question but does this also do the wireless access point ?
No trying to be rude, just legitimately trying to save you money. But if you can't figure out if it has a AP built in, then this machine is going to be very expensive for anything you'd be doing with it. It's made for power users and small businesses (who would need IT to set it up for them)
Thanks for that. I’m about to move to a 3 storey house and want to get internet coverage all through plus into the large garden and someone recommended ubiquiti but still trying to work out exactly what components to buy. Thinking of running Ethernet to each level.
Running ethernet to each level and connecting a unifi access point on each of those levels back to this dream machine via the ethernet is a good way to set it up.
@Anvariel: Sorry another noob here. What's the advantage of the UDM over using a router to a POE switch to the access points? Wouldn't this do the same but much cheaper?
@morry: the advantage of unifi APs is that it will coordinate the APs and handle devices roaming between APs for you. If you already have WiFi that does this (over ethernet, not just wireless mesh) then yes, you could achieve the same outcome with the setup you described, but if you are using UniFi access points then you will need a unifi controller somewhere in the mix as well, and so the UDM covers a couple of those functions, (router, unifi controller) in a single box.
There are two models - Dream Machine and Dream Machine Pro.
The straight Dream Machine is a home consumer model that does have an AP built-in
The Pro version is a business piece of hardware that has it's benefits over the standard model and it doesn't have the AP built-in. You will be required to buy a WAP and POE Injector or POE switch.
Sounds like I probably need the non pro version. Thank you.
Are there any cheapo half-height racks around to buy/build preferrably with wheels?
It's beyond me why a cabinet that houses routers, switches, power cables and network cables in a rack wired to a wall would need wheels but yes that is a thing and you can buy it.
It can mean you can push it hard to against a wall, but when needing to add in more gear or reconfigure any wiring etc you can easily access the rear of the cabinet. E.g. have servers facing one way, and network gear on the opposite side to allow you to reduce number of rack bays needed. Need to access one side for switches, power and data cabling, and the other side for pulling hard drives.
Suss Vevor on ebay. I'm currently looking at wall mount racks for my setup, since I'll only have networking in it
Would love to upgrade my UDM but not sure about having this sitting in the lounge room
Can this do policy routing and wireguard server?
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Ubiquiti is if nothing else ubiquitous, once you buy one you need more due to its modular nature. I bought the dream machine to replace a router, then an access point to get better wifi around the house. Then I needed a POE switch for extra ports and to power the other access points. Then another access point because wifi 6 had come along.
This is a great price. I just bought one earlier this week for more than this. Would have happily paid this instead. Sigh.
I've got this and a couple of WAPs and a PoE switch. Even though I've set these or similar up at various companies, it took me a while to get the bugs ironed out in the wifi (Apple devices were flaky) - since then though it has been rock solid. Lots of people complain about Ubiquiti now but I'm happy.
Great deal, my wholesale price is $595 ex gst. Just bought one
RIP wholesale provider.
Yep, we often buy retail, as I am sick of being shafted by our Distributor.
I have this with a POE Switch and a number of UVC-G4-PRO cameras. I'm not overly impressed with the security side of things. There's other things on the market that would do a better job. I'm very impressed with its networking capabilities
I've gotten the impression that their security is at least as good as any other consumer offering, but not on a par with stuff like pfsense, etc. Is that about right or would you say otherwise?
I have no experience with pfsense. My assessment is based on quality of video and consumer based features one would expect. The cameras are $700 by themselves and I don't think they're actually as good as nest or eufy for example. the unifi product is all plug and play and it's all local, nothing is in the cloud which I like.
Setup a Raspberry PI with PiHole or use Controld.com free secure DNS service to provide additional protection for the kiddos
If you're confident of your command line abilities, you can run Pi-Hole on the UDM Pro without needing the raspberry pi: https://github.com/boostchicken-dev/udm-utilities/tree/maste…
i run USG3 with adguard home in front, have no security issues.
You can also setup free DNS filtering via Cloudflare Teams. Still have the ability to add categories or specific entries, just setup your ranges DHCP Servers to the IPs they provide.
Thanks OP, been using a USG3 on gigabit for the last 3 years and think it's time to finally upgrade
Does the U6-LR ap’s use the same mounting bracket as the U6-Lites?
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Just noticed these are also at a decent price. Not the cheapest, but very close to it. Also without the need for an eBay account.
Will pair nicely with the Dream Machine Pro to make your home network an absolute beast.