Ubiquiti Unifi Dream Machine Pro Security Gateway $698 Delivered ($0 VIC, NSW, SA C&C / in-Store) + Surcharge @ Centre Com

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Ubiquiti Unifi Dream Machine Pro Security Gateway $698 Delivered ($0 VIC, NSW, SA C&C / in-Store) + Surcharge @ Centre Com
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geekcohen on 21/01/2025 - 06:05 centrecom.com.au (285 clicks)
Last edited 21/01/2025 - 10:42 by 3 other users

It isn't an ATL with some other deals being maybe about $50 cheaper with certain buying scenarios, but still cheap! I paid about $728 in August 2024 and it is currently $725 at Mwave

Umart and MSY are also at $698.

Features:

  • Runs every UniFi OS application, including the pre-installed UniFi Network
  • 8-port switch with 1GbE RJ45 and 10G SFP+ ports These are not POE Ports!!!!!
  • Integrated security gateway and UniFi Protect-ready network video recorder that supports compatible 3.5" HDDs
  • Enterprise-class internet threat management, deep packet inspection, and WiFi AI functionality
  • Powered by a fast, 1.7 GHz quad-core processor
  • 1U-sized, rack-mountable console
  • Allows you to easily scale your deployment by connecting additional UniFi devices

Surcharges: 0% for bank deposit, Afterpay & Zip Money. 1.2% for VISA / MasterCard & PayPal. 2.2% for AmEx.
Free shipping excludes WA, NT & remote areas.

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Comments

  • bargin424 on 21/01/2025 - 06:30

    Anyone have recommendations of what product to get if i want to create VLANs for my security camera system connected to a NVR to seperate my personal devices?

    • Bruceflix on 21/01/2025 - 06:43
      +5

      This?

    • guidedlight on 21/01/2025 - 07:02

      This product can. However, if you want to connect your cameras directly to PoE ports, you’ll need the “SE” variant.

      • bargin424 on 21/01/2025 - 07:05
        -3

        Looking for a cheaper solution than spending 698

        • guidedlight on 21/01/2025 - 07:15
          +3

          You probably can’t do it cheaper unless all your cameras are connected to a Unifi PoE switch, as the VLAN needs to be tagged against each camera port.

          • dammit on 21/01/2025 - 07:43
            +1

            @guidedlight: Can you have say 8 Poe cameras on its own tplink Poe+ switch and then just use one port on the unifi to create and put the whole lot on a vlan rather than needing to use a port for every Poe/iot device straight off the unifi?

          • noisymime on 21/01/2025 - 07:51
            +3

            @guidedlight: There are MANY cheaper options that this. The UDM-Pro is nearly 5 years old now and honestly terrible value (Even for Ubiquiti).

            Microtik have a version of the RB5009 with 8x2.5Gb POE ports (+2x 10Gb SFPs) that will happily do the VLAN tagging by port. Can get that for about $500.

            • Pixie13 on 21/01/2025 - 08:03

              @noisymime: Unifi tax. The standard should be 2.5g now, but still kicking 1g.

              • noisymime on 21/01/2025 - 08:20

                @Pixie13: I get the Unifi tax and typically happy to pay it, but it's a double hit on the UDM-Pro at the moment. Not only are you paying 40% or so more but you're paying it for an old and outdated product.

                If this was 2.5Gb with POE then it'd be a reasonable price for a Unifi device, still a lot more than competitors, but reasonable. This is just crazy though.

                • Pixie13 on 21/01/2025 - 09:31

                  @noisymime: Exactly right. 2.5Gb and POE would make it sweet. The unifi ecosystem is great, but I'd love 10Gb for a decent price. A 10Gb unmanaged layer 2 mikrotik is quite attractive, but you lose the telemetry. Very annoying.

        • Commodore64 on 21/01/2025 - 08:39

          Unifi Lite Switch (8 or 16 port - half of those will be POE).
          You could worry about trying to use the Unifi NVR, but a better option is to just install Frigate on an N100 based mini PC like I do.
          * Unifi Lite 8 port. - $199 CentreCom
          * Mini PC - $239, but you can get one cheaper or second hand Current deal.

          If you don't have Unifi already, you'll need a gateway like the Unifi Lite or Cloud gateway ultra:
          * Cloud gateway ultra - $189 CentreCom

          I have the cloud gateway ultra myself and its great.

          • bargin424 on 21/01/2025 - 08:52

            @Commodore64: I'm confused. Can't I use my current Reolink NVR and connect that directly to one of the ports of the cloud gateway ultra?

    • netsurfer on 21/01/2025 - 07:59

      Alternative options:

      • OpenWRT based routers (running a version of OpenWRT that supports VLAN).
      • OPNSense or PFSense router.
      • TP-Link Omada setup (though that's kinda like Unifi setup, except from TP-Link).
      • Any router that supports VLAN (some Asus routers do for example).
      • bargin424 on 21/01/2025 - 08:24

        Thanks mate! What is your thoughts on Ubiquiti Cloud Gateway Ultra?

        • Commodore64 on 21/01/2025 - 08:44

          I have one and it's fantastic. It doesn't do POE or NVR, but then it doesn't need to. It does have 5 ports itself which is handy.;

          • bargin424 on 21/01/2025 - 08:53

            @Commodore64: Can I use my current Reolink NVR and connect that directly to one of the ports of the cloud gateway ultra?

            To give background, all my cameras are using ethernet to the Reolink NVR.

        • netsurfer on 21/01/2025 - 08:48

          Is your house fully wired up and you are using access points (rather than mesh) for WiFi? While UniFi's VLAN setup works well for UniFi Protect, it is different for other cameras with NVR. UniFi's approach is the "NVR equivalent" is actually on a different VLAN, and the UniFi Protect cameras can be on its own VLAN which you block Internet access (or fully isolate that whole network - except UniFi controller can still control / access those cameras). Most people I know with UniFi Protect cameras don't run VLANs.

          You really need to think it through. UniFi gears are designed to work well with UniFi ecosystem. Check to ensure there are online resources detailing how to do your desire setup with a UniFi controller based device before you get one.

          • Commodore64 on 21/01/2025 - 08:57

            @netsurfer: @netsurfer I use non unifi (generic hikvision cameras) on their own VLAN without internet access and powered by POE.
            @bargin424 I believe most NVRs are designed to power the cameras directly are they not? It's up to you but I would ditch a proprietary NVR and just install frigate, as long as frigate has an IP address on that VLAN (by giving it a trunk and bridging it) you can view and proxy the camera feeds.
            Of course there are other options besides frigate like motioneye, blue iris… but I find frigate to be the most advanced with its continually updated AI detection features.

            • netsurfer on 21/01/2025 - 09:21

              @Commodore64: Your Hikvision NVR is on another subnet / VLAN with Internet access or there are port forwarding rules to the NVR (or a different setup)?

              • Commodore64 on 21/01/2025 - 09:23

                @netsurfer: The generic IP cameras (which run the HikVision based firmware) are all on their own VLAN, which has its own IP Range. There is no internet access, nor is there access to my default VLAN.
                Because both home assistant (through ONVIF) and Frigate (via RTSP) can access the cameras, there's more than enough ways to stream them.

                Normal LAN (VLAN 1): 192.168.1.0/21
                Camera VLAN (VLAN 100): 192.168.10.1/24

                Blocking internet can be done by creating a rule of type "Internet out" on the VLAN 100 and denying it.

  • Bruceflix on 21/01/2025 - 06:42
    +2

    Missing the word Pro in title.

    Good router but will struggle when 2gb/s NBN plans are released later this year.

    • dtpearson on 21/01/2025 - 08:00
      +2

      For double the price the Dream Machine Pro Max would be a better option if that is what you are chasing, but realistically how many people need 2gb/s WAN other than for bragging rights? Can't the regular Dream Machine Pro do 2gb/s WAN with a SFP+ to RJ45 Adapter in a SFP+ port anyway?

      I think the Dream Machine Pro is a great device and the sweet spot in regard to flexibility for the price. Can run protect cameras, can do fast LAN with SFP+ ports. For 99% of people even with complex networking needs it should be enough for the reasonably foreseeable future. (IMHO experience as a non-expert from running a dozen locations with Ubiquiti gear (mix of UDM, UDR, Pro and Pro Max routers)

  • Euthyphro on 21/01/2025 - 07:07

    What advantages does it have over ASUS Wi-Fi routers?

    • guidedlight on 21/01/2025 - 07:17
      +6

      If you’re asking this question, then you don’t need a Unifi router. It is basically Apple-esk networking equipment, good quality, nice to use, but expensive.

    • netsurfer on 21/01/2025 - 08:12
      +1

      Some advantages are:

      • Easier configuration (especially if you have multiple Unifi devices)
      • Scalability (when you add a new Unifi device, you can simply just adopt it and most things will be taken care of)
      • Setting up VLANs are straightforward

      However, honestly, one key reason for getting this is generally you have or are getting UniFi Protect cameras. The 3.5" HDD or SSD support only allows you to use it for UniFi Protect.

      Asus WRT5 does appear to move to an SDN approach, but Asus still needs to sort out the firmware and that is generally only available to newer higher end Asus routers.

  • noisymime on 21/01/2025 - 07:26
    +1

    1GbE and non-POE ports is crazy for this price.

    Ubiquiti keep releasing masses of new devices that are nearly identical to others they have and yet never seem to actually upgrade the devices like this that are their most popular ones.

    • dtpearson on 21/01/2025 - 08:07

      1GbE is plenty for most and there are 2 10G SFP+ ports. Use one out to a fast 2.5gb or even 10gb switch if you REALLY need the speed (and PoE if you need that too). I highly recommend the new Pro Max 16 if you need speed and PoE, connect it to the Pro with a 10G direct cable and you are golden.

      The beauty of the Dream Machine Pro is its flexibility, while keeping the initial buy in price as low as possible by not adding lots of more expensive ports that might not be needed, but keeping options open for later expansion if you require it. If you NEED more speed Ubiquiti has those devices, they are just considerably more expensive.

      • noisymime on 21/01/2025 - 08:35

        The UDM-Pro isn't meant for most people though, its intended audience is the 'prosumer' type market and to have a $700+ device there with only 1Gb and no-POE is just crazy for 2025. These are the types of buyers that want 2.5Gb+ and POE. It's a 5 year old device that they've held the price on basically since launch and is wildly uncompetitive, even for Ubiquiti.

        If it was 40% more expensive than the competition but matching them on specs, or the same price with the current specs, then this would be fine. Being both 40%+ more expensive AND with these old specs makes for a terrible buy.

        • afreedma on 21/01/2025 - 10:33

          Why do you keep saying it's limited to 1Gbps?

          From the most casual look at their product page:

          10G Cloud Gateway with 100+ UniFi device / 1,000+ client support and 3.5 Gbps IPS routing.

          So Unifi rate it at 3.5Gbps throughput even with IPS enabled. It has 10Gbps ports. If you want POE in a single device go with the UDM-SE instead. If you need lots of POE power then get a seperate switch.

    • netsurfer on 21/01/2025 - 08:17

      UniFi Dream Machine SE
      UniFi Dream Machine Pro Max

      Ubiquiti wants people to use the SPF+ port and connect it to one of their Pro switches (24 ports) and use only gigabit ports on the Dream Machine to UniFi Protect cameras. For people on a budget, there is UniFi cloud gateway max (or if you don't need UniFi Protect, gateway max or ultra).

      • noisymime on 21/01/2025 - 08:28
        -1

        Both the UDM-SE and Pro Max are still pretty badly specced IMHO, particularly given the price (Again, even assuming say 40% extra for the Unifi tax). Both devices are still stuck on 1Gb ports, which is just insane at this price point.

        Most 'prosumers' (ie home users who happen to want things like POE) are typically looking for the same thing, 5-8 POE ports, with a router. The Dream Router gets close, but it's a bit limited with 4 ports and only 2 POE (And STILL only 1Gb)

        • netsurfer on 21/01/2025 - 08:52

          I think the issue is an UniFi Protect camera only need 1Gbps at most (with some only support 100Mbps). Ubiquiti simply won't release a controller base device that's dirt cheap with POE.

          Another annoying thing is once you have a house wired up, you generally find a 8 port switch is not enough. Ubiquiti doesn't do the traditional NVR approach. I reckon it is a shrewd approach because Ubiquiti sells you the UniFi network drug if you want UniFi Protect.

          • noisymime on 21/01/2025 - 09:09
            -1

            @netsurfer: Maybe I just don't fit in their landscape anymore, but I truly don't understand the strategy in their product lineup these days.

            I bought fairly big into the Unifi network side of things about 6 or 7 years ago and have no regrets whatsoever (bought into the Protect ecosystem about 3 years ago do regret that though). Have upgraded APs a few years back and would love to upgrade router and switches, but honestly there's nothing in the sub-$1000 range that's really much of an upgrade for me, despite my current devices being ancient.

    • guidedlight on 21/01/2025 - 08:26

      I don’t think Ubiquiti has ever upgraded an existing product. They just release new products at a new price point.

      This means the gear is gradually getting more and more expensive.

      • jj8aus on 21/01/2025 - 08:59

        One of the things I love about my Udm pro is the upgrades. They regularly upgrade the firmware with new features and bigfixes etc. My experience with your typical old school routers is that you are lucky to get more than a couple of updates and they are generally just bug fixes.

        • noisymime on 21/01/2025 - 09:12

          That's not unique to just Unifi these days though. There are quite a few 'prosumer' level routers that have standardised on a routing OS and provide regular updates across their range now (Eg Tp-Link Omada, Microtik etc)

          • jj8aus on 21/01/2025 - 09:19

            @noisymime: That's good, and in the prosumer space id expect it. Below that I'm guessing is the same old?

            To be clear, my udm pro has had lots and lots of software upgrades and they just keep coming. It's great and I guess it's partly due to some good competition in this space like you mentioned! 🙂

            • noisymime on 21/01/2025 - 09:24

              @jj8aus: Yeah there's still a lot of garbage at the entry tier unfortunately. There are a few consumer products starting to come out with things like pfSense though.

              I'm a little jaded on the updates after buying into the Unifi Protect family though. That was barely an Alpha level product at launch, it took them years and probably 4 major software upgrades before things started to actually work, they'd bloody want to be providing updates 🤣

              • jj8aus on 21/01/2025 - 09:31

                @noisymime: Do the prosumer competitors charge subscriptions? I was wondering if anyone guestimated how much of the purchase price is the product and how much is prepayment for a subscription of sorts.

                I'm ~two years into Ubiquity world, maybe I missed that shitty period or maybe didn't/don't push the features as hard as you. My experience has been really positive as mentioned.

  • froddoog on 21/01/2025 - 10:42

    I have been wanting to get into unifi ecosystem. And about to hardwired the entire house.

    Will this be a good time to buy?

    • guidedlight on 21/01/2025 - 11:08

      The best time to buy was 5 years ago when this device was new. It’s harder to recommend now, due to its age and lower specs.

      However, if you can’t spend any more, you must have rack mount, 1Gbps internet is okay, and you don’t need PoE, then this remains a good option.

      • dec540 on 21/01/2025 - 11:39

        My understanding is you just need a SFP+ to RJ45 adapter for about $100 to run up to 10Gbps. The limitation would then be on the processing side of things - Unifi rate the UDM Pro for 3.5Gbps if IDS/IPS is enabled.

        Downside is the LAN ports are GbE, so you'd need to run a switch via the 10G SFP+ LAN port that's then capable of 2.5/10.

        It's definitely old, but seems like it still has a lot of life left in it for home use in Australia as it would be easily capable of running a 2.5Gbps internet connection and our consumer fibre plans are only 1Gbps at the moment anyway

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