Hi
No fancy discount codes here guys. Pricing dropped until allocated stock sold out.
Lenovo Tiny M93p
Core i5 4590t 2.0Ghz (4C4T)
8GB RAM
128GB SSD
Wifi
Windows 10
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Certainly not running a firewall, nor Teamed NIC 2GBE, THAT'S for sure!
Can't run PFSense on a hub
Darn it, when will people understand that to simultaneously access two subnets, either two ports or single port connected to a switch supporting trunks is needed.
It's a mid range office PC from 3-5 years ago.
What is so bad about a USB ethernet dongle?
Or, I've not tried this personally, can you have a virtual ethernet port on the same physical one, and route it to your modem over a different logical subnet but same physical one as your LAN?
What is so bad about a USB ethernet dongle?
If the OS supports, it's a viable but not every OS does. ESXi doesn't officially support it, but unofficially, there's USB Network Native Driver for ESXi. NIC hardware has own hardware for offloading (eg. checksumming) which USB may not.
Or, I've not tried this personally, can you have a virtual ethernet port on the same physical one, and route it to your modem over a different logical subnet but same physical one as your LAN?
An interface spoofing multiple MACs doesn't change the fact that all are on same collision domain - you need trunks to segregate them.
Why not? Why even need multiple MACs? They are only user for the ethernet layer, not IP.
Ethernet can carry multiple subnets. Multiple protocols even.
@bargaino: (L2) Ethernet and (L3) IP is inextricably linked via ARP Table. All (L3) IP packets must be encapsulated within (L2) frames to communicate with any interface in same subnet/vlan, including your gateway router.
Network devices may have a "secondary IP address" (on same MAC) feature, but this is primarily to receive, not send.
@bargaino: https://www.reddit.com/r/PFSENSE/comments/3bj1yi/onearmed_pf…
A VLAN capable switch is required to separate and direct traffic on the different subnets. If you have one and everything is properly configured, then pfsense can work with a single port.
@alvian: In an one-arm configuration (using trunks), you'd be halving bandwidth if traffic for two VLANs is symmetric in nature.
@AlexF: That's a given but that wasn't the question. manic didn't understand your phrase "all are on same collision broadcast domain - you need trunks to segregate them", so I tried to explain it by way of an example.
@alvian: I read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcast_domain , and realised that the last time I studied this stuff, it was probably on coaxial thin ethernet :-)
@AlexF: Halving a gigabit connection for a firewall is rarely a concern in home setups. If you can afford a 500Mb Internet connection then I don't think you'd be cheaping out and using a home brew firewall.
@banana365: pfSense isn't just a firewall, it's a router too. If your hosts are on different LAN subnets, halving throughput between them may not be preferred.
@timbo83: Please excuse me while I go and sit in the corner and rock back and forth whilst whimpering "NBN, NBN, they said it would be good. They lied to us."
@banana365: Lol, iiNet HFC, routinely hit 550Mbps+, $80/month. Thinking about taking the plunge and using something like this with pfsense to replace my router. At the moment using provided router and Raspberry Pi for DHCP/DNS.
Finding one that doesn't randomly hang can be hard.
They've never been a device that's very reliable…. Some work.
Meh that’s what VLANs are for ;)
I assume that's its got hdmi?
Is that ethernet port 100 or 1000?
Might make a great Minecraft for the kids & their friends
From the specs sheet it had gigabit ethernet, no HDMI port but it has Display Port and a VGA.
Have one of these as my Plex server. Can’t fault.
How does it go with transcoding?
I too would love to know this. Would this suit an “always on” plex server arrangement?
Really depends what you’re transcoding, the quality of your network, size of the file and device you’re streaming to. It’s a difficult question to answer. Most of my content is DVD rips and others I use handbrake to compress. Does a decent job as an always on device and takes up little space.
Core i5-4590T has a Passmark score of 5627. Plex recommends the following Passmarks depending on what you are transcoding:
4K HDR (50Mbps, 10-bit HEVC) file: 17000 PassMark score (being transcoded to 10Mbps 1080p)
4K SDR (40Mbps, 8-bit HEVC) file: 12000 PassMark score (being transcoded to 10Mbps 1080p)
1080p (10Mbps, H.264) file: 2000 PassMark score
720p (4Mbps, H.264) file: 1500 PassMark score
So if you are mainly transcoding original files of 1080p or lower quality this PC would work fine as a plex server
Also, you can tell Plex to transcode files in advance if you're going to be watching them (e.g. tell it to transcode the next 3 episodes of a TV show before you watch them).
Thanks for this. Would i be better off getting a low-mid tier Synology NAS instead of this?
@deepfriedchips: My understanding is that NAS drives would have a lower grade CPU so would struggle more than a dedicated PLEX server. I have a NAS storage device but use it to store my media as it can’t handle any transcodes. I also run mine using Ubuntu to use less system resources than other OS.
@deepfriedchips: If the NAS has a CPU that supports QuickSync and you have Plex Pass, you could well be better off getting the NAS as it will do hardware transcoding over CPU transcoding. :)
Looks good, how much would you sell it with the optional expansion to include the HDMI 2nd output.
To supabrudda, this has VGA and DP native.
Sorry mate we don't stock those.
Thank you, purchased one just now :)
Where did you purchase the HDMI from?
Link to similarly specced nuc ?
Rear ports
* 3 x USB 3.0
* Gigabit Ethernet (Intel I217-LM Clarkville)
* VGA DB-15
* DisplayPort (occupied by optional TIO 23)
Front ports
* 2 x USB 3.0 (1 x AlwaysOn)
* Mic (stereo) Headphone / mic combo jack (stereo)
Sadly, no optical audio. Would have been perfect as a Media Centre/Settop box.
Displayport should be fine for audio?
DP does audio?
How many people still use optical?
I had a USB dongle for that in the past.
A DP to HDMI cable or adaptor does audio (not to be confused with DVI).
Optical is good if you're plugging into an older receiver. I use it with my TV as my receiver doesn't support HDMI ARC; I've never used it with a PC though.
@macrocephalic: I know, I recently upgraded my ancient amp. Thought I was one of the last hold-outs using optical :-)
… oh, you have hdmi but not ARC? So why not use amp to switch devices to TV? Connect PC via amp, as everyone did before ARC?
@bargaino: The optical connects the TV to the receiver. I mostly use the apps which are built into the TV now - and without ARC I have to use optical to send the audio to the amp. If I use the media PC then I don't need ARC, but I can't run 4k as it's only an HDMI 1.3 receiver.
I mostly use the apps which are built into the TV now - and without ARC I have to use optical
Gotcha. But does Netflix work properly? I found on a smart-TV it required DD+, which did not work over optical. And for stereo, you might as well use analog. Kodi was fine with DD over optical though.
@bargaino: Seems to work for 5.1. I have it set to auto format over optical, so I'm not sure whether it's using DD, DD+, or straight PCM from the TV.
@macrocephalic: I believe the only way to get surround over optical is plain DD. It does not have the bandwidth for anything else.
Some devices like blu-Ray players will down-convert Netflix audio to DD, but others like Android-TV will not.
Any i7 Model available and how much?
Thx
You can also match these things with a Tiny-In-One monitor for a decent low cost/risk all-in-one option
Is this coming with an activated Windows 10 or have to buy license separately?
Loaded & activated
I’ve been using one of these for the last 5 years.
It’s quiet, small, plenty of USB ports, can take 16gb RAM, swapping out the spinning disk for a ssd was simple.
I use it for office and web stuff and the occasional video/photo work. It handles these no problems.
Hope this helps.
I concur.
I bought 4 of these, in the last 2 years, for various family members.
They are quiet machines and work well.
Enough for web-browsing, watching videos and working on documents.
Likewise can vouch for these.
Bought several, and have given them to family as Plex servers. Quiet, reliable and quick to load movies - only tried with 1080, but that's more than enough for my audience
For a plex server you can't beat it. Also a decent machine if you just want to use it as a daily driver. We have 100's of these at work.
what's a plex server?
Anyone tried Hackintosh on one of these?
yes. it's the easiest hackintosh i've made.
had El Capitan on it, now High Sierra,
Mojave is ok too.
highly recommend for this purpose
have been using it for a few years now, Plex server with data on 2 time capsules.
mine is 2.9 GHz not 2.0 so not sure about that.
FYI. These are also available on ebay Lenovo ThinkCentre M93p Tiny Desktop PC Core i5 4570T 8GB Ram 320GB HDD Win 10 for $165.00+$21.45=$186.45 using PUNNET code.
Just want to point out it's not exactly like for like.
128GB SSD vs 320GB HDD
Can the drives be swapped on these? Tempted to purchase this unit and then buy an SSD from another deal.
Yes. If you are one of those people who have old SSDs laying around they won't need the vendor to upgrade it in advance like this. And for those people like me who have lots of random old PC spares, you can get the barebones (BYO CPU, RAM and HDD) systems as well from $100.
It says "Mount not included (No WiFi)". I dont know what does it mean.
I think they mean it doesn't come with a VESA mount to attach it to the back of a monitor. The "No WiFi" could mean it doesn't have the optional WiFi card, or it could mean it doesn't have the antenna. Here is a picture of the back.
Dont need one… but thinking i should but it.
I have a 4k monitor. Would this have the horsepower to run Windows and normal applications (Chrome, Word, Excel etc. etc.) effectively?
Am curious about this too
yes, Intel HD4600 GPU will handle 4k@60 via Displayport. It wont decode HEVC x265 tho.. so no good as a 4k media player.
Is this a fact? I think it should be able to.
sorry, should have clarified… it will do partial hw decode of hevc h.265 8bit. So 4k playback is possible, but it wont be full hw decode and framerate may suffer. If you want full 4k60 hw decode 8 & 10bit, then i would say no, you will need skylake onwards.
PSA: My old workplace used to run dozens of these. They are notorious for DisplayPort issues - random black screens, "sparkles", lines etc. For your sanity make sure you buy any cheap DP>HDMI adaptor from eBay or Amazon.
Random black screens happen to the equivalent Dell models too
Buy this just for my freepbx system. I have tried raspberry pie 2 and find it was under power when multiple calls was happening at the same time. I end up using the dell optiplex 9020 i7 but it was too powerful and big. This would be perfect to have it running 24/7.
does this have an x4 pcie for a quad port nic? to use as firewall?
Does anyone know what the power consumption on one of these would be?
Currently I have a high end Dell workstation running my home automation server.
It uses 2.2kwh of power per day so $216.81 per year, if this uses a lot less it would make sense to switch it.
Considering this too… Or a NUC for HASS
You can get a cheap Pi 4 for HASS.
It will be cheaper and even lower power consumption.
I need to run more than just HASS, main problem is ZoneMinder so it needs a bit more power than the Pi 4 I think.
@No: I didn't know what Zoneminder was before today,
but I do now. Thanks for (inadvertently) pointing me to it! :-)
Intel Core i5-4590T @ 2.00GHz power consumption per day is 0.2kWh according to cpubenchmark.net.
These ones idles around 10-12 watt, similar to a laptop. I have a couple of these. Using a SSD instead of spinning drives will keep it at the lower end.
Excellent for as an always on server for Blue Iris, Pi Hole, Plex, home automation, serving files etc. With Windows 10 Pro it's straightforward for it to host a couple of VMs with ease as it's got plenty of headroom.
Plug a big portable HDD in there then it functions like a mini NAS
Wow thats pretty good, so 300w per day?
Can you swap the drives on these? Interested to put in something larger than 128gb.
Yes. It's very easy to swap out hard-disks.
There is one 2.5" drive.
Is there a way to plug this into a plasma tv to use as the monitor? Thanks
There is a way.
This is the way.
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Single ethernet.
Darn it, when will companies learn these have 2nd lives as netwrok gear. Lol