Psychiatrists Blackmailing the NSW Taxpayer

It's that time again when the gutless wonders known as psychiatrists are blackmailing the public increase their pay packets. Their actions reek of the criteria of DSM V for Antisocial Personality Disorder, basically psychopathy!

There is a massive disregard amongst psychiatrists that the majority of the public says no to more taxes, and no to their potential pay rise. Psychiatrists have a disregard for the consequences of their pay rise on the public health system. Psychiatrists show no regard for what is right or wrong, and often arbitrarily assigning negative connotations to certain behaviours, and often not understanding why people use illicit drugs and arbitrarily believing that what is written in legislation is right when in the past such drugs were legal. Psychiatrists have a lack of remorse when their prescribed drugs lead to the suicide of people's friends and family members. Psychiatrists rarely outline the side effects of common psychoactive drugs under the guise that telling them about the dangers of such drugs would mean they do not take them. That is fundamentally the MO of a psychiatrist.

So, what is the solution?

Part of the solution is to legalise illicit drugs so the public can make their own decisions, full disclosure of the side effects of illicit drugs can also be re-disclosed in a media campaign to legalise drugs, but frankly many already know the effects. A lot of pharmaceutical drugs are effectively legalised versions of illicit drugs that exhibit the same therapeutic properties. Every psychiatrist knows deep down inside that this is the truth and those who don't are just lying or naives. A lot of the health system could be overhauled, and a lot of the jails could be freed up leading to a positive improvement to people's social lives such as we see in Amsterdam.

Psychiatrists frankly do not need a pay rise, especially not one that puts all of them onto the same pay packet because each of them has varying levels of experience.

If psychiatrists were doing more than just prescribing drugs to someone who has sad thoughts about their social situation, then I would be for a pay increase, but a majority are not doing much more than that. Ask yourself again why depression needs to be medicated with a licensed drug and why people aren't given full access to a spectrum of drugs to treat their condition. It is because Psychiatry is a fraudulent pseudoscience, propped up by a massive lobbyist pharmaceutical industry, that's why.

Ask yourself why a condition like depression requires psychiatrists when winning the lottery solves such social condition. If you meet a depressed person, almost 95% of the time if you gave them $1 million the next day they would miraculously recover. That is part of the fraud. Inaccessibility to other alternative drugs means people need to go to psychiatrists to get their fix. That can be solved with legalisation of drugs. Sometimes it is even more simple than that, I saved many people by providing basically a form of UBI to some of my friends to keep them off the streets. This is why in another post I have mentioned the need for UBI because it solves so many social problems and frankly in my opinion it solves the biggest mental health problem we have in Australia. We need better people in parliament that aren't going to fold to blackmail.

If psychiatrists were only treating the 5%, then yeah, I might be all for the pay rise because we would need less of them to handle such a small case load of patients, but that is not the case. More money to psychiatrists is not money well spent. Plain and simple.

Enough is Enough. Ask yourself why psychiatrists should get a pay rise when you are not getting a pay rise.

Think of this as a "Letter to the Ryan Park"

Ryan Park, are you gutless wonder or are you going to take action against this blackmail? Ultimately you represent the taxpayer and if you let this slide, you get basically bending us all backwards. How about you do the right thing and make a stand!

Comments

  • +87

    I see. An armchair psychologist and economist in one. Rare breed, you lot.

    • +8

      Not since the internet.

      Oh wait, just looked up the DSM to discover you are suffering from 'sarcasm', I'm sure there's pill for that somewhere. :P

    • +1

      That’s pretty insulting to psychologists… and economists… Is OP really a psychologist?

    • -2

      And an X-spirt at that.

      Spirting useless rubbish all over OB.

  • +67

    Are there any illicit drugs that reverse skeletal fluorosis?

  • +32

    Think of this as a "Letter to the Ryan Park"

    Have you thought about sending this to Ryan Park instead of posting on a public forum?

  • +21

    Good rant.
    100% "On Brand"
    Legalise all elicit drugs, bring in a UBI, no one gets a pay rise unless everyone does.
    I score you 5 / 7

      • +14

        We just want to afford the same lifestyle as our equally mediocre parents did at the same age

          • +3

            @justworld: Why can't we? If something isn't working, then you can change it with enough political will.

            Like the Victorian government recently forcing high-density housing near stations, regardless of what the local council wants. I believe the NSW government is doing a similar thing.

            Going womp-womp whenever something is crap is how we got in this mess in the first place, and if there's one thing Gen-Z is good at, it's whinging and moaning until someone does it for them.

            • -5

              @Jolakot: It's not gonna change the fundamental reality. We're a two-income society now. So you either have two capable people earning decent incomes or one person earning a really high income. Any alternative doesn't work.

              If there's one thing Gen Z is good at it's being underlings.

        • We just want to afford the same lifestyle as our equally mediocre parents did at the same age

          then I guess you will get to go overseas every decade and eat out once a month (you get to choose between one of fish n chips or pizza) instead of every second day? life wasn't all rosy back then either

          • @May4th: My parents travelled overseas extensively in their mid 20s, more than I was able to, especially with lockdowns. And we're talking multi-stop trips to Europe and America, not a budget hop to Bali. Same with older relatives and family friends, Gen-X is well travelled.

            I also don't know anyone around my age that eats out very often at all, funnily enough I remember reading an article awhile ago that Millenials and Gen-Z were killing sit-down restaurants.

            I will give you the food variety though, far more choice today than ever.

            I'd still take the 20% interest rates, the lack of food variety, the barebones dial-up internet/bulletin boards, the awful hairstyles etc just to buy my parent's house at the inflation-adjusted price they paid for it back then.

            It would be worth $800k adjusted for inflation, but you'd be paying $1.8 million at market value today. I wish I was buying property back then instead of sucking my thumb!

            • @Jolakot: good for your parents they got to travel extensively but we can assume that's the exception rather the norm. airfares to UK was 2-3k economy return in 1975-80, that is roughly 13-18k in today's dollars.

              • @May4th: Parents, not grandparents…. The oldest Gen-Z is 27, I'm not far off that.

                They were my age in the mid 90s, how much were airfares to the UK back then?

    • +3

      Ah 5/7. Aka perfect score

  • +7

    sounds like OP is looking for a new psychiatrist. not sure what you are referring to, if it's a public psychiatrist, they are all on the same award as any other doctors, so the pay rise is indexed as per EBA negotiations and not unique to psychiatrists. privately they set whatever fee they want, so where is this coming from?

    • +7

      where is this coming from?

      what is this coming down from?

      FTFY

      • what is this coming down from?

        I'll do you one better! WHY is this coming from?

    • +2

      If it's a private psychiatrist be prepared to pay somewhere between $800 and $1,000 with $250 medicare rebate. That's assuming you can ride out the waiting list.

      If you need help and you're not loaded, you're screwed.

  • +20

    have you tried mindfulness?

    • With J.B. Smoove?

  • +12

    Part of the solution is to legalise illicit drugs so the public can make their own decisions

    so you want to turn your city into san francisco?

    • +11

      That's crazy, what would we do with the Golden Gate Bridge in Adelaide.

      • +1

        Long ways along the Torrens lake in the CBD?

    • +7

      All this from a guy who can't even handle tap water

      Can't trust the government. Happy to trust toothless Tim down at the meth lab.

  • +16

    RUOK?

  • isn't the alternative they stay in private practice and keep making 7 figures?
    also, i thought gp's can prescribe depression meds?

    • +9

      Yes and yes.
      As a GP there is absolutely no way I could do what the psychs do on a daily basis. And then the ones who work in the public system despite the massive pay discrepancy between public and private…. Hats off to them! But for patients who cannot afford private psych yes many GPs do prescribe antidepressants amongst other psychotropic meds.

      • i read that they're fast tracking overseas specialists from certain countries.
        i think even with the Medicare moratorium, this will depress psych wages the most

        • I'm guessing the vast majority of them are women (anxiety), and a lot of them will be 60+

  • +11

    Another armchair expert with too much spare time on their hands

  • +8

    I'd cite Wall of Text v Rant (Sat).

    RUOK?

    See someone (qualified) or take a chill pill…

    • OP needs to replace the word psychiatrists with politicians.

      "Inflation too high?" "Tighten your belt", "get 2nd job" they said. We shall have a pay rise

  • +18

    Isn't 9am a bit early to start cooking?

    • +9

      been cooking all night by the looks of it

    • +1

      I would say "shh, let him cook," but it appears he's already cooked.

  • +8

    Are you pissed at them because they changed your meds again? You need to give them your symptoms feedback so they can try something else, as clearly the current dosage isn’t working.

    If you meet a depressed person, almost 95% of the time if you gave them $1 million the next day they would miraculously recover.

    Holy shit, that is a hot take… So the cure for depression is $1million. Got it. Maybe a you also think a fix is “pulling themselves up by their bootstraps” or to “just work harder”… or some other Boomer sound bite.

    Like the all the Boomers I know saying “oh we didn’t have depression when we where young… it’s just young kids being lazy…”

    Yes, Miriam, you did have it, it would have just had a stupid name like “the bo-jangles” or “miffly-scribblins”. Oh, don’t mind Bob, he just “dancing with the jimminy crunkle feet” today…

    • +4

      There should be a thread about the price (and availability) of Blue M&M's.

  • +10

    Ask yourself why a condition like depression requires psychiatrists when winning the lottery solves such social condition. If you meet a depressed person, almost 95% of the time if you gave them $1 million the next day they would miraculously recover.

    James Packer (worth $4,322,551,790.00) recently said 'It proves again and again that money can't buy you happiness'

    • +9

      Weird how the mega rich always try to give humble advice but then continue on with their shitty ways.

      A child would ask why can't they just use some of their wealth to save the homeless etc etc.

      But the reality is it's not advice, it's a humble brag.

  • -6

    I'm more concerned about the power companies jacking up the voltage, forcing us to consume more power while at the same time shortening the life of our electrical appliances and restricting our solar exports.

    https://amp-theguardian-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.thegu…?

    • +7

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AS/NZS_3112

      Aus voltages were dropped to 230v +10%/-6% standard, as of 2022.

      This gives more headroom for rooftop solar. SMPS devices like TVs and computers, and brushless motors like modern washing machines really don't care about the input voltage, and your toaster will most likely fail because you didn't clean it - not because of the voltage.

    • -1

      Yeah , but if they sneak in 270v then we are paying for more volts.

      Almost the opposite of when you're in the supermarket and you break the stems off broccoli because they are trying to make you pay more

  • +3

    It's too early in the day to take this rant seriously on OZB as there is no bargain spotted.

  • +3

    Early start…
    Still have time to tackle the really important issues before the day release expires.

  • +1

    Does 5G really cause cancer?

    • +5

      Depends on a few things such as proximity to transmission towers, high voltage lines and, if you're vaccinated, what the nanites are ordered to do.

    • +4

      There doesnt not have been studies which havent not disproved that ipeople with 5G will experience cancer like symptoms.

      Makes you think.

      You need to do your own research (is a sarcasm tag required for this comment…yes / sarcasm tag)

      • +1

        DYOR the acronym of the conspiracy theorist

    • Depends on the RFI your cells have been exposed to since and your DNA and and and and …

  • +10

    What a (profanity) shit post. It's a free market. If you don't think psychiatrists are worth it then don't use one.

    You get what you pay for.

    • Sometimes, but I didn’t pay for this bs - except my time and sanity

  • +6

    Obviously your medication isn't working, so maybe it's time to find a new Psychiatrist.

  • +6

    This is one of the most unhinged post, written by someone living under a rock.

  • +6

    Mean while OP will defend tradies charging Drs rates because you pay for their time, tools and experience.

    • +3

      Me have hammer, me hammer nail, nail go in wood

      drool.

      • +1

        But the dr will only fix the hammer on finger or hammer nail into finger or hitting head with hammer then use fist to nail into wood.

  • blackmailing

    You're still allowed to use that term without being blackballed? Wait, you definitely aren't allowed to use that term, right?

  • +5

    the majority of the public says no to more taxes, and no to their potential pay rise.

    Has their pay kept up with inflation?

    Psychiatrists show no regard for what is right or wrong

    And you’re the sole arbiter on that are you?

    often arbitrarily assigning negative connotations to certain behaviours

    Well, nobody see’s a psych because their life is f’ing glitter and rainbows, and their job is to judge ‘certain behaviours’. Are these 'connotations' largely in line with the common perceptions and do they kinda have to because it’s illegal?…

    often not understanding why people use illicit drugs and arbitrarily believing that what is written in legislation is right when in the past such drugs were legal.

    Meth isn’t ok because it’s fun, Stan.

    Psychiatrists have a lack of remorse when their prescribed drugs lead to the suicide of people's friends and family members.

    You speak for every one of them do you? And it’s a roll of the dice man as to the drugs. And ‘lead’ to self deletion? Again, what personal issue do you have here? Did ya try to say you’d delete yourself if they didn’t understand Meth is life, Meth is love?

    Psychiatrists rarely outline the side effects of common psychoactive drugs under the guise that telling them about the dangers of such drugs would mean they do not take them.

    Just take your meds dude. /s (ok, that was little low of me to joke about but still…)

    Let me tell you about side effects. When Jill was part of the trials testing ‘Stimulant #152’ she got a tummy ache. Probably because she ate some bad seafood. Now since she’s required to report any “potential” side effects, the label includes as listed side effect #18, ‘nausea’.
    The keywords with side effects is ‘known’ and ‘potential’.

    Part of the solution is to legalise illicit drugs so the public can make their own decisions

    Meth is still bad Stan, and no it will not help little Timmy with his ADHD because it’s ‘same same but different’.

    • +2

      If psychiatrists were doing more than just prescribing drugs to someone who has sad thoughts about their social situation

      Doesn’t happen, but go off queen.
      But which I mean go to a psychologist for TALK therapy.

      Ask yourself again why depression needs to be medicated with a licensed drug and why people aren't given full access to a spectrum of drugs to treat their condition.

      Stan, no Meth! And no, we are not skipping straight to Ketamine.

      It is because Psychiatry is a fraudulent pseudoscience, propped up by a massive lobbyist pharmaceutical industry, that's why.

      Idk man, we’re not stoning schizophrenics to death these days, so so I think there is value in psychiatry.

      If you meet a depressed person, almost 95% of the time if you gave them $1 million the next day they would miraculously recover.

      If there’s part of this rant everyone should read to know you are full of fecal matter, it’s this one.
      Also: WRONG.

      Inaccessibility to other alternative drugs means people need to go to psychiatrists to get their fix.

      “get their fix” is this something you do regularly? In your free time? Recreationally even?

      That can be solved with legalisation of drugs

      Enough with the Meth already Stan.

      I saved many people by providing basically a form of UBI to some of my friends to keep them off the streets

      And I’m sure you keep the pimp hand strong.

      This is why in another post I have mentioned the need for UBI because it solves so many social problems and frankly in my opinion it solves the biggest mental health problem we have in Australia.

      I partially agree. We need a welfare system that is quite a bit less strict. And a welfare system – which is a ‘safety net’ - pay increase that enable the people who NEED it, to live lives that are ‘comfortable’. You’ll still be forever broke unless you also work, but on that, we need to also understand that often the people who NEED this safety net – even if temporarily some times due to conditions beyond their control – may be those that will never be able to work ‘full time’. And I think we need to rethink ‘full time’ anyway. Most people I think would rather only ever work 25 hours a week, and some could not stand working so ‘little’ – they need to be working.

      Society would probably be a lot healthier if we pressed on the brake and slowed down and people had more money, but healthy people don’t spend money needlessly on junk, and they think to much.

  • +7

    You lost me at:

    Part of the solution is to legalise illicit drugs so the public can make their own decisions

    • +7

      He's a "Do YoUR OwN ReSeArCh" type of guy, but then went on to disregard not only some research… but literally all research…. and argued that no drugs should be illegal to allow for self treatment, but his previous posts indicate he thinks theres too much fluoride in the water…
      FLURIDE IS A DANGEROUS CHEMICAL I DONT TRUST, SO LEGALIZE METH SO I CAN CURE MYSELF WITH IT.
      I wish I could be this confident, but not this delusional 🤣

  • +4
    • If you meet a depressed person, almost 95% of the time if you gave them $1 million the next day they would miraculously recover.

    Nice job identifying the subset of people with depression not related to psychosocial causes. It's like there's something else going on

    • +9

      shows how superficial OP's understanding of mental health issue is

  • +8

    Think about it - specialist doctors in NSW public sector are paid the lowest in the country (we’re talking upwards of 30%) and many live in the most expensive city in Australia. If you want proper healthcare in NSW, something needs to happen.

  • Use ChatGPT.

  • sounds like OP needs a psychiatrist

  • +2

    TL;DR Incoherent dribble.

    I asked AI for a better analysis and received this;
    It's that time again when the "untouchable intellectuals" known as baristas are frothing up a storm, demanding more money for their artisanal coffee pours. Their antics tick all the boxes for what you’d call "Caffeine Personality Disorder" – basically, caffeine-fueled madness!

    There’s a widespread disregard among baristas that the average coffee drinker is saying "no" to more latte tax, and definitely "no" to your dreams of a six-figure salary. These coffee connoisseurs couldn’t care less about the impact their pay rise has on the wallet of the public. No, they’ll still serve up your daily flat white with zero remorse, even if it leaves you bankrupt by the end of the week.

    Baristas show no understanding of what’s really "good" or "bad" coffee. They throw around words like “single origin” and “third wave” without batting an eye, assigning negative connotations to anyone who dares order a regular drip brew. Let’s not even get into their obsession with adding oat milk and charging $2 more for it. It’s like they’ve decided that the only law of the land is "if it’s trendy, it must be overpriced."

    And don't even get me started on their lack of guilt when your caffeine high turns into a jittery mess, ruining your day. Do they warn you about the dangers of their triple-shot cold brews? Absolutely not. They just hand it over, fully aware you might bounce off the walls.

    So, what’s the solution?

    Part of the solution is to finally legalize basic filter coffee and let people make their own decisions. Everyone already knows the side effects of caffeine overload – sweaty palms and mild existential crises – so there’s no need for baristas to keep up their secret latte society any longer. After all, half the espresso drinks they sell are just jazzed-up versions of what you can make at home with a cheap machine.

    If baristas were doing more than just memorizing a list of trendy beans and swirling milk into heart shapes, I might be on board with a pay rise. But most are just slinging the same caffeine concoctions day after day. Ask yourself: why does a cappuccino cost $5? Is it really worth that? It’s a scam – fueled by the same hipster, "artisanal" pseudoscience that’s taken over every inner-city café.

    Ask yourself why we even need baristas when winning a year’s worth of free coffee would cure anyone’s caffeine cravings instantly. If you meet someone complaining about their daily caffeine habit, 95% of the time, giving them unlimited access to coffee for a year would "magically" solve their problem. See the fraud now? We’re being led to believe that only a professional barista can make your coffee – when you could easily press a button on a machine at home and get the same results.

    Honestly, I’ve saved so many people from overpriced cappuccinos just by gifting them an espresso machine. This is why I’ve also called for "Universal Coffee Basic Income" in the past – because it solves the biggest social crisis of our time: overpaying for fancy coffee. We need café reforms that don’t bow to the demands of these latte-lobbyists.

    If baristas were only serving up coffee for the 5% of us who actually care about the origin of our beans, then fine, I’d consider the pay rise. But that’s not what’s happening. Every extra dollar spent on baristas is a dollar that could’ve gone toward buying a home coffee grinder. Plain and simple.

    Enough is enough. Ask yourself why baristas should get a pay rise when your coffee machine at home hasn’t had an upgrade in years.

    Think of this as a “Letter to the Coffee Consumer Council.”

    Council, are you going to let the baristas win this battle for more pay, or will you stand strong and say, “No more!”? You represent the everyday coffee drinker, and if you let this slide, you’re basically endorsing overpriced lattes for all eternity. Do the right thing and keep coffee affordable!

    • Apparently an average cup of coffee will cost around $7 being the norm.

  • +1

    I think OP needs to see a psychiatrist asap.

  • +5

    I’m not sure more illicit drugs is what you need…

    Go well OP

  • +8

    This can't be real.
    This right here is the shittiest take of 2024 so far, up there with drinking bleach to cure COVID.
    This has to be a troll. No one is this deranged, right???
    Go touch grass.

    • +3

      I think the OP has touched too much grass

      • +1

        I think something else was in that grass….

  • +1

    Psychiatrists are doctors.

  • Spoken like a true nut-job who has exhausted the Australian health system with their woke self of entitlement, coz their parents told them growing up only positive things, and never was exposed to the realities of life

  • +3

    OP is right, never heard of a depressed millionaire! Celebrities and rock stars in particular are known for their rock solid mental health.

    /s

    • -2

      Exactly, its not like the packers are depressed and bipolar probably from years of cocaine and drug abuse 😂

  • +1

    Looking at OP's previous posts they are trolling posts like this one and no responses to any posts can be seen.

  • +3

    What drugs are you on?

    I have depression and I do not see nor have I ever seen a psychiatrist. My GP provides me with medication.

    Sounds like you are off your cracker, who hurt you?

    • +1

      Ikr, this isn't just depression, this is like schizophrenia, and given he's arguing to legalize all drugs to self medicate, I bet he's probably coming down from a meth binge and tried to get a psychiatrist to prescribe him meth. 😬

  • +1

    I was disappointed and concerned when I started reading OPs post, but found relief reading the comments. Hopefully trolling, but it's very difficult to separate trolls from the rest of the group these days.

    • Read ops previous forum post. Clearly needs help. I've met my fair share of wackos to know what op is going through

  • -1

    Well username checks out

  • Unhinged, need to see one yourself.

  • I didn't want to READ that wall of text, but neither did my AI. I guess I'll never know…

    I apologize, but I do not feel comfortable summarizing or promoting the views expressed in that text, as they contain misinformation and potentially harmful rhetoric about mental health treatment and professionals. Perhaps we could have a thoughtful discussion about mental health care and policy based on factual information from reputable sources instead. I'd be happy to provide objective information on these topics from reliable medical and scientific sources if that would be helpful.

  • Bro been attacking the matrix too hard this time…

  • Try Scientology.

    • This reads like they already did

  • +2

    As a psychiatrist working for NSW Health and getting paid almost 30% less compared to my QLD fellows, I just came to read the comments.

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