Chronic Mismatch in Skills and Employment in Australia

Does anyone notice that almost everyone you meet in Australia is not working in a field that would make their skills shine?

The labour market system has become increasingly inefficient over the years. The system is clearly broken and the two main political parties and business lobbies think that the solution is to bring in a lot of migrants into Australia hoping that will fix the problem. Those migrants come only to be pushed into this giant milking machine and experience the sad realities of Australian life. Australia is really good at marketing itself but it is actually a fairly bad place to live and work when you drill down to all the details. There are many countries in Europe where you will not have all the stress but have many of the same amenities. Ultimately when the hammer falls, the problem lies in the recruitment agencies.

I've seen a few ideas floated from reading the forums, ranging from problems with recruiters to discrimination. Time and time again there are very strong examples that something is wrong, especially when I see someone who is skilled randomly turn to doing something that is borderline legal, only for it not to pay, and obviously from what I could tell they were still working in a family cleaning business. If they had a proper job in those 10+ years they surely could have earned more with the skills they had. So I found that example a really strong indicator that Australia is breeding its own problems and I would argue it disproportionately affects locals rather than migrants.

I have another theory I want to add which is "are Australians just too soft when it comes to finding a job?". It takes time to find that right job and it seems like most people are content with just taking any job. I put this down to the Australian culture where they bash people on welfare. My opinion is that the welfare system is supposed to prevent the outcome the country is currently experiencing. I keep seeing people say they will just take the first job they can get and try later, but the effect is most people just end up in retail or delivering amazon and uber and then they just give up on a proper career. So, the reform Australia needs to make is probably something along the lines of UBI that gives Australians a fighting chance because ultimately that is going to result in the most efficient allocation of labour.

Take a look at how inefficient the welfare system is today. It needs massive reform. Most job seeker agencies are just a tool of compliance that perpetuate the inefficient allocation of labour. All your taxpayer funds are funneled into this parasitic industry and that money could be better off spent developing some type of tech industry. It could be agricultural technology and uniquely Australian, it doesn't have to be copying silicon valley, but Australia doesn't even have the funds to spend on anything like that because the bulk of welfare money gets spent ensuring people comply with some pointless welfare requirement. How low can Australians sink when they derive happiness from seeing others struggle?

Hands down if Australia rolled out UBI and removed all these agencies Australia would be saving lots of taxpayer funds. Centrelink and the private companies that exist to leech taxpayer funds could be abolished overnight and replaced with a simpler system. It would create a moral hazard for the 1% of parasites which are doing the same as they are now in the current system, but ultimately the net benefit is shown to be greater.

Another solution would be to have a world government that would implement these solutions. People are scared of a world government, but a lot of the ideas floated by the World Economic Forum are actually quite good compared to the policies which have been implemented by the predominantly English speaking nation states (UK, US, CAN, AUS, NZ). I won't use the word Western economies as there are some countries in Europe which are our allies that make our labour allocation look vastly inferior. WEF policies are undoubtedly diametrically opposed to policies implemented in predominantly English speaking nations, but I can't say they are a step in the wrong direction.

Ultimately the issue of inefficient allocation of labour has cost the Australian economy billions, possibly trillions and is the main reason I see why Australia doesn't actually have a proper high tech industry. There are offshoots of silicon valleys that exist in Europe and if you watch Bloomberg a lot you will notice a lot of chip equipment comes out from the Netherlands and neighbouring countries. A lot of the famous equipment used to manufacture clothing comes from France, Germany, and others which are often found in Chinese, now Vietnamese and Thai factories. There is nothing like that in Australia. In my opinion this is a reflection of how poorly on how Australians treat their graduates whether they be imported or locals. Australia definitely has some level of talent here locally, and let's not forget all those imported migrants; at least some of them should have some skills.

This race to the bottom has begun many years ago. Australia is essentially creeping slowly towards become a permanent banana republic. A lot of people have moved overseas to pursue their careers. That trend can be reversed by radical changes but our politicians are not bold enough to take the step.

Australia needs massive reform which starts by reforming both the recruitment agencies, and the welfare system needs a massive overhaul to prevent people from being pushed into substandard jobs. Eventually Australia is going to run into a problem whereby Housing and Mining have a downturn.

Australia also needs to stop migrants taking up all those recruitment jobs because frankly is it just me or are a majority of them just people on working holiday visas just from a basic web crawl on LinkedIn? They don't have the same experience or allegiance to Australia. We have restrictions on how politicians cannot be dual citizens, how about we try and start here.

Comments

  • +5

    Nonsense.

    Australia is quite high on the quality of living index.

    We are just full of whiners.

    • +2

      We import 60% of those whiners these days

      • +2

        Pommies

        • Have a listen to Dr Dennis Leary on No Cure For Cancer, he has a soft spot for whining.

    • OP doesn't actually mention quality of life/living, but since you raised it, QOL indicators of the quality of life include wealth, employment, the environment, physical and mental health, education, recreation and leisure time, social belonging, religious beliefs, safety, security and freedom. Australia currently ranks 11th-best globally https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/standard-… which is a decent result.
      However, Australia rank 8th-worst globally for Cost of Living, which seems closer to OP's concerns, given they discuss working and job availabiltiy and UBI in particular.

  • +31

    OP: Chatgpt create a random 3000 words for me.

    Chatgpt: Here, Chronic Mismatch in Skills and Employment in Australia.

    OP: Thanks

    • +2

      techinally its
      1,025 words
      5,009 characters
      11 paragraphs
      70 lines

      just saying…
      (the actuary in me)

    • If that's ChatGPT then it's suffering from LSD poisoning like the spiders in that experiment , a long time ago.
      If that's any form of AI, the human has won the fight

  • +23

    Sounds like the rant of someone who didn't get a job they applied for? Or just finished their arts degree and have decided wide spread socialism didn't sound too bad compared to finding a decent job?

    experience the sad realities of Australian life.

    Always found the kind of person whose never left the country, or thinks Bali is the pinnacle of destination holidays, that makes claims such as these.

  • +5

    Member Since
    25/09/2024

    This screams of a ghost account

    Slavoz? lol

    • +9

      Not enough blaming the government and the covid vaccine…

      • +3

        https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/15745700/redir

        I never get sick anymore.

        You should get your IgG4 levels tested. Some people have a bad reaction to thing we can't talk about.

        For most people getting the thing once a year is fine, but I still see people getting boosted every 3-6 months… Not exactly the safest thing to do in light of recent scientific studies…

        You sure?

  • +4

    Don't get me wrong Centrelink is a horrendously operated social service organisation, only beaten by NDIS. It's literally poor government oversight coupled with private companies leveraging the seemingly endless supply of funds, i would like a UBI but the pensioners would castrate the government for it.

    ChatGPT TLDR:

    "The author argues that Australia’s labor market is inefficient, with skilled individuals often stuck in low-paying jobs due to a flawed recruitment system and cultural attitudes towards welfare. They propose Universal Basic Income (UBI) as a potential solution to help people find better jobs, criticize the current welfare system for wasting taxpayer money, and suggest reforms are needed to retain talent and improve job allocation. Without change, Australia risks economic stagnation, particularly as reliance on housing and mining may lead to downturns."

    • +2

      If keeping an unemployment rate of 5% is good for the country then a UBI is a great idea. Even better if it could be used in such a way that people could roll on and off employment to reduce burnout.

      • UBI seems like a brilliant solution to the rapidly escalating income inequality in many countries. The problem is the cost of implementing it, possibly through new taxes, and issues with labour shortages now exacerbated by people who then would have no work ethic/motivation. That all needs further consideration.

    • +2

      Chat gpt made them sound more intelligent than perhaps reality would suggest:)

  • +9

    i'm happy for you or sorry that happened

  • +15

    Holy shit. Well, your skills at voluminous waffle is certainly beyond reproach…

    Ever thought that some people do the job they like, not what they are best at??

    • Speech writer for Tim Fischer, who rolled their skills over to to Blunderbuss Joyce, when Tim sadly passed.

  • +9

    I feel like my reading comprehension and attention span are Chronically Mismatched, after starting to read this post.

  • +5

    Your post is inefficient.

    • +2

      lol.. I initially read this is “insufficient” and thought “just how much more does OP need to write?”

  • +2

    Migrants aren't the problem. Politicians are. Using them as capitalist fuel.What fact checking is done on ppls CVs before allowing inward migration? Do we factor in the impacts on health,housing and infrastructure (not so much)
    Not only should we train & equip our own home grown citizens first and foremost with the skills we require, we need to ensure that those who come here claiming to be qualified are. Make their citizenship subject to validation of those claims.
    (Maybe that's what Americas green card system delivers?)
    We need a truly independent migration commissioner to vett all incoming migrants for suitability etc, and all of them should have a probationary period.I dare say the 'family reunion policy' also needs a blowtorch on it.
    Capitalism is driving nationality hopping for the sake of it. Ppl are shopping around for the least worst place to live, and leave the mess behind. Nice .
    Over population ate Utopia decades ago.

    We already have a world govt. Capitalism within a globalisation paradigm.

    • -3

      Lmao, so you want migrants to go through a CV-vetting process but you are happy to oblige every indolent useless local, for some reason?

      Treat them all the same. If you have skills and work ethic you'll succeed.

      • +3

        See that little word at the front? >If you have skills …
        What I said;
        "Not only should we train & equip our own home grown citizens first and foremost with the skills we require"

    • +3

      I dunno what people OP meets, but we already have a pretty good system of sponsored visas. I worked at a company that bought in quite a few, we had to advertise for 4 weeks, not find someone then bring in someone from overseas on $200k a year + relocation expenses plus a pile of other effort. We had zero desire to do so unless necessary, but it has been becoming more and more necessary due to the skills shortage. We vetted the hell out of them because it was an expensive process, no need for the government to do anything. If they lied no one else would hire them either and without a sponsored job they'd be quickly sent home.

      People who come here and do a degree then try stay on, I can see that going badly. As a country we don't seem to care because they just shelled out huge bucks paying full fees for a degree, but having a degree and being qualified are hugely different things. Besides that,blaming immigrants is simply an easy place to blame. It's not the sole cause of our infrastructure, health and housing woes though, it just exacerbates it. We could fix those things independent to our immigration levels.

      The problem is housing is a mostly unregulated system (IMO we should have an independent housing body that can overrule councils to drive better outcomes. We have the RBA set interest rates, why can't a housing commission have target housing prices and supply?), the states don't like investing in infrastructure and would prefer to build football stadiums and healthcare has been chronically underfunded for years. The irony is building infrastructure these days is massively expensive because of the cost of labour. Bringing in loads more migrant workers would help solve that problem while also making it worse. We can't really win.

  • -4

    Life in Australia is so easy. Anyone who is struggling and not due to physical/mental illness has only one person to blame.

    If you don't believe me, go live anywhere else in the world and see if you'll have it easier. Actions in Australia have no consequences.

    OP's screed sounds like some anti-vax sov-cit anti-migrant bullshit.

    • +2

      Well they are certainly anti vax. They made that clear in another post

      • I just knew. The anti-migrant / anti-vax / sov-cit crowd are all correlated with each other.

        • +2

          Sovereign citizenship? SFB The ultimate parasitic life-form. They want to take it all, (spent their lives taking already) and give zero back. If ever there was a reason to remove kids, from dangerous parenting, this is it. Cops should be allowed empowered to confiscate the car keys of any Slobbering Citizen wearing illegitimate plates, driving unlicensed or uninsured. I'd like to see a public register of these moon units so employers can be aware before hiring, or to sack them at the 1st opportunity of loony behaviour. They want total independence?, society should oblige. I'll bet there's plenty taking Centrelink payments. I wonder what they have on their banking docs,rates etc.

          "I'm not driving a car ossifer, I'm a traveller"

    • Anyone born in Australia, will have a difficult time getting work, finding housing, etc. in almost any other country in the world. The same issues are also true for migrants wanting to find work here (excepting NZ). Simply due to the system that requires working permits/visas for any non-citizen, and offers no government assistance until you become a citizen. Does that make Australia any easier than any other developed country (Spain, Paraguay, Germany, Montenegro, Czechia, Thailand, Canada, Portugal, etc) — probably not. Some aspects are easier, some not.

  • +5

    Dude needs a TL;DR.

  • -1

    YOU WANT US TO WORK IN FIELDS?????? I THINK THERE IS A WORD FOR THAT!!

    • +1

      Scarecrows?

    • +2

      Basepall players. Some baseball players are infielders.

  • +3

    Agree with what you've said, there are some real issues in this country and job allocation is a problem IMO and definitely leads to inefficiencies. It's probably the case for a lot of countries though. People don't seem to understand that you can have tens of thousands of grads in a specific discipline each year but only a fraction of them will get the job they want, so therefore some have to go into other fields of work. I've met many bright people who've studied engineering for instance who don't work in engineering. Sadly the rebut to this from people will be "well they must not be very bright if they didn't get an engineering job" which is easy for them to say even though they've never met these people 🙄 People simply do not see the effort others have gone through to make it so far yet still not get what they want and they dismiss other people easily, there is a huge lack of empathy these days in this country.

    As you can see most people disagree with what you have to say (unsurprising). I personally know what it's like to graduate and have to compete with literally hundreds of thousands of other people for a grad role (and the grads you see at the ACs are just a fraction of those who applied for it). It's not easy, especially when you live in Melbourne or Sydney and there are literally thousands of people from interstate also applying for those roles. You definitely feel good about yourself when you do land a grad position though, knowing that you were better than thousands of other people out there. Sadly nepotism is also a huge problem in this country, I've seen people in my workplace (everyday household brand) who will ask the people in HR that their kid wants to apply for the grad program. We just aren't a meritocracy in this country. The fact is that for many people it is "out of sight, out of mind" (or even worse, "out of sight, can't be true because I know everything so you must be wrong").

    You will probably agree with most of what is said in this essay (there's a video version on YouTube if you can't be bothered reading it).

  • Another solution would be to have a world government that would implement these solutions. People are scared of a world government, but a lot of the ideas floated by the World Economic Forum are actually quite good

    LOL you almost had me until this part.

    Please… do lead by example and commit to owning nothing while being happy. Make sure to post a follow-up on how that new life is working out for you.

    • Is your icon from the custom android rom CRdroid, or is that something else.

  • +3

    often recruiters put ads like 5yrs+ exp in ABC techstack, and ABC isnt even out for 2 yrs.
    Especially IT job, often you have to jump multiple hoops to get hired (recruiter screening call, interview with hiring manger, senior manager, team and tech skill interview like live coding or take home assignment and leet code.)
    When you need to send 100s of applications to just to be hired, challenge of finding ANY job is truly difficult.

    And lets not get on to the ghost jobs or fake job ads in seek by recruiters. You just wasted 15-30min tailoring the cover letter and CV, but dont hear, get anything

  • -1

    After hearing that these damned immigrants are taking our jewbs and eating out pets I have decided to start eating immigrants. This seems to be a sensible and sustainable solution.

  • The Open Training and Education Network (OTEN) released a very inaccurate forecast on related workforce issues in 1997.
    The project was entitled "Futurework" and completely missed the AI/autonomous angle. Dr John Buchanan was one of the presenters on the interactive CD-Rom.

    The project was intended for senior secondary students, and I feel it (and many other forecasts) set unreasonable expectations and seemed to suggest assurances that never panned out.

    One of the more depressing future realities presented was in the increasingly service-oriented local economy (in the face of declining manufacturing). The white collar segment would be mostly in finance, telco, medical etc (secondary/tertiary). However, we've seen much of that off-shored, some of it from the outset.

    The unskilled component (quarternary) was to be the childcare, cleaners, delivery people etc. It seemed to be blindly championing these sectors as high-growth, but never addressed the possibility that these employees would want to better themselves. It was taken for granted, that there would always be enough personnel to service the needs of the elite.

    Allowances (or enough weight) weren't given to migration, and it seemed to treat the workforce with a degree of contempt, like we'd all be incredibly receptive to the virtues of casualisation or job-sharing for example.

    Further, the collective powers of trade unionism were talked up, but the reality didn't align, with declining union memberships.

    Overall, a withering 3/10 from me.

  • -2

    What a lot of sad ignorant drivel

  • No, I don't.

    Next story book please.

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