People’s adverse reactions to flu injections? Only serious comments please. Not the whether to have flu injection just your experience with adverse reactions
Flu injection reactions
aocal on 08/08/2024 - 10:32
Last edited 08/08/2024 - 13:49
Last edited 08/08/2024 - 13:49
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they deleted that section from the post
The edits never lie
@SlavOz
He's too busy driving his Mustang, keeping it under 3,000rpm
Vax topic felt incomplete without @least a mention
lwf
He's still in the penalty box
Hadn't noticed…
Sure they're still fighting the good fight and alt watching over us…
Is it a coincidence that there was probably decades of plaque in their coronary arteries that decided to go cactus a day after the flu injection?
Probably
healthy husband
Is this a doctor's assessment or your personal?
Who has flu shots in August?
aocal
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Firstly, I'm sorry your hubbie had a heart attack and that you had a skin cancer and hope for full recovers from all….but
Translation: Can I blame bad things that happened to me/us on someone else?
Where oh where has commonsense gone to these days. We're surrounded by a sea of information and yet are dying from lack of knowledge.
They don't live very close to the information superhighway.
Used to be ED Nurse, yeah, some had heart attacks while running, eating, sleeping, dancing, praying and etc.
Surely pure coincidence. And no way you can use the word "healthy" unless you have all his blood test done on the spot, all MRIs, all Physical and mental test, and study his genes.
Used to be ED Nurse, yeah, some had heart attacks while running, eating, sleeping, dancing, praying and etc.
In your time as an ED Nurse did you routinely ask if they'd had any recent vaccinations?
My mother nurse as well - and sadly yes, cardiac arrests occur from all kinds of activity & often from none at all. After this thread I'll await the 'Had heart attack while having sex, does my wife's vagina hold liability for this?" post. ;-)
Likewise skin cancers can show up ANYWHERE - in fact the superb skin clinic I go to starts their initial consultation with a very unpleasant image of a melanoma that was found on the anus of a French woman, despite her never having exposed this area to the sun in her life. The reason for this was that you were about to get a VERY THOROUGH examination - with literally no area unchecked. Not fun but beats melanoma for giggles…..
Was odd that the Doctor dimmed the lights, lit some inscense and had Barry White playing…..but I am sure thats explainable. ;-)
On assumption that your husband went into hospital as a result, would it not be appropriate to ask those doctors?
The question and posting in a forum eludes to conspiracy theory rather than any medical or informed assessment about your husband's condition.
Correlation does not equal causation. You haven’t stated your husbands health history, whether he has high cholesterol, stress levels, exercise history just to scratch the surface
"I've never used sunscreen in my life, but yeah, it must be the flu shot"
Probably they are very much related.
Also, most probably do not expect any acknowledgment nor acceptance of such side effect.
Take it on the chin and learn from it for the next inoculation … if any.
You messed it up bud, your chances of heart attack are lower after flu vaccination.
https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/11/07/some-flu-vaccine-re…
But hey, if you want to increase your odds of dying from a heart attack or flu/others, by all means skip vaccines.
do you live near 5g towers and bad mouth bill gates?
It's certainly possible.
Don't expect anyone from the medical community to even entertain the possibility though.Example: Your mechanic will not entertain the possibility that driving behind a white car made your headlight globe burn out.
People who understand how things work don't entertain silly possibilities. Try it out! Is there a subject you are genuinely knowledgable about that you can create your own example from?
You clearly didn't note I said possible, not probable.
Instantly writing off a possibility reveals your own biases.
If only you'd said plausible instead. Would've made all the difference
So many different p words with near identical meanings to choose from can make it tough to articulate your agenda :/
"I said "possible", but then you provided a counter example about the word "possible", clearly showing you weren't paying attention to the word I actually used, which was "possible", not "probable".
what
Finally, an explanation for my headlight failure that I can understand!
https://medium.com/@m.sbeai/the-unusual-case-of-the-ice-crea…
My car won't start if I buy vanilla icecream
Of course, only people form the cooker community would entertain such possibilities.
Is it possible that you were the one who gave Ops husband heart attack?
Possible.
Touché :)
Did you or your husband drink any water that day?
It has been proven that over 99.99% of people who have had heart attacks or got SCC skin cancer have had a drink of water within the previous 48 hours………..
Water consumption is a predictor of so many conditions! This is the 4th one I've heard of this week! Big Water has something they don't want us to know about…
Water consumption is a predictor of so many conditions!
Yes, especially in it's frozen form. It can be very addictive
For the 2025 season consider a homeopathic flu vax, guaranteed no side-effects… as there are no active ingredients.
I'm going to break formation here and say "Yes, the flu injection definitely caused both those things", just because I think it would be funny if you told people "well someone on an internet forum said it" as the basis for repeating it.
I had a flu shot and experienced no heart attack the next day. Coincidence?
I've never had a flu shot and totally didn't have a heart attack either! Wow, we should hook up!
Sorry to hear about your husband & your cancer. The flu shot could be the cause, did he have any reactions to it on the day & the night of, leading up to the heart attack?
The Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) runs a safety surveillance systems called the Database of Adverse Event Notifications (DAEN) which captures reports of adverse events post injection. Anyone can report to it.
https://www.tga.gov.au/safety/safety/safety-monitoring-daen-…
Consider reporting both your husbands heart attack & your own skin cancer to the database. You can do it yourself, or ask your doctors to do it. If you ask your doctors they may not be aware of the system or may not want to report it because they don't believe there is a connection between the events. Nevertheless, if asked, doctors should report it.
Some more information is here:
https://www.tga.gov.au/safety/safety/safety-monitoring-medic…Searching the DAEN can be accessed from this page:
https://www.tga.gov.au/safety/safety/database-adverse-event-…A lot of people have experienced similar sudden unexplained events.
Sorry to hear about your husband & your cancer.
It is #fakenews, this is a troll post…
LOL jv calling someone a troll, what time to be alive.
You can't handle the truth?
This is sure to bring out all the cookers.
The true cookers are using the public bbq in the park.
If you go on Facebook you'll find plenty of people telling you vaccinations cause all sorts of illnesses.
For everyone else, correlation is not causation.
And for the really dumb, repeating mantras is of no help either.
How old are you and your husband?
4
Looking at an older post, op is now 68. Handy detail to leave out.
Is it just a coincidence that my healthy husband had a heart attack the day after receiving the flu injection?
Yes
I also have a SCC skin cancer that has developed near the area I received my flu injection.
Oh you mean on the bit of your arm that you have been exposing to years of sunlight without sunscreen?
OP, your husband also drank water that day, and had breakfast. Both of those could have been causes of it.
Correlation =/= causation
number of pirates is correlated with global warming.
just saying
Has hubby had the MRNA covid shots as well? (Relevant)
I have no medical knowledge and hence will stay out of this one, except to say my uncle did have very serious heart/blood issues (not a heart attack) caused by a vaccine (according to the medical staff in Melbourne). It wasn't the flu vaccine, and I believe that was a relatively rare outcome, so that doesn't mean anything in your case.
I just wanted to comment as I find it very sad that people here get so triggered and dismissive if you ask the question. It's your health, and real medical professionals would encourage you to ask questions so you can be informed.
Is this the first time you two have had the flu vax?
If not, what happened previously?
You won't get the information you seek here …
All here deny that "excess deaths" are still 10% higher across the western world than they should be
(and these are working age deaths that are not attributable to known diseases nor the elderly)Here is a tidbit of information:
https://lens.monash.edu/@medicine-health/2024/05/20/1386737/…
(so might be worth checking what was in the fluvax he received to see if it was the old one or a new version as talked about above)The "new version" talked about in the article doesn't exist yet. It's why the article is about the development of such a vaccine, not the use of them.
Citation needed
There are excess deaths, but most analysis suggests that this is till due to COVID-19. For example: https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provis…
Ockham's razor says this is far more likely an explanation than random conspiracy theories about vaccines.
It's not likely to be 100% sure on anything in medicine, but there the likelihood is pretty low.
Tens of thousands of people have heart attacks each year, primarily people over 65, and more than 2/3rds of people over 65 get the flu shot each year. The odds of a heart attack victim also having had the flu shot is really high as a result. But the odds of someone having a heart attack after getting the flu shot is very low. There is a lot of data collected on this stuff too, anyone with the time could easily prove whether heart attacks are higher or lower in vaccinated vs unvaccinated.
But if you take people under 65, 25% of that population still get the flu shot, but heart attacks are incredibly rare. Additionally when taken by gender, flu shots are evenly distributed (generally slightly higher in women) yet heart attacks occur a lot more in men.
There's also that serious side effects after vaccines are in the fraction of a percent, whereas heart attacks occur in over 20% of people over 65.
All in all, probably caused by something that's not a vaccine. But whatever the cause, the best thing now is to help him recover and listen to his doctor on how to improve heart health.
That information is out of date by about 4 years.
Erm, no it isn't, it's from 4 days ago.
https://www.health.gov.au/resources/publications/influenza-f…
Plus, how would the instance of heart attacks from the flu vaccine have changed in the past 4 years? The flu vaccine is mostly the same as it was 4 years ago.
Did you confuse your covid anti-vax stance with your flu anti-vax stance?
It's a strange stance, most cookers prefer to assume we are living in 2 years ago (the last time their anti-vax rhetoric had some timeliness).
Maybe the "taxation is theft" brainworms adds another 2 years of regression on?
Does each additional conspiracy wind back the clock another two years? Is that why their main messaging service is called Telegram?
@CrowReally: Geez I hope you're not going to send me rent bill for all the space I take up in your head, even as cramped as it is in there. :)
@EightImmortals: I would, but I expect I would receive the bill back covered in maritime and Magna Carta symbols telling me how you're actually a human born corporation who isn't bound by the government's laws
I did indeed. I picked up on this bit: "Tens of thousands of people have heart attacks each year, primarily people over 65" and totally missed 'flu shot' bit so my apologies on that point. I reserve the right to change my mind when the MRNA lipid particle flu shots get rolled out however. The flu shot do have problems but heart attacks wasn't one of them AFAIK. Though there was a study on diabetic patients back in 2011 that raised questions.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20964738/
Anyway, my bad for missing your main point. I did ask the OP whether hubby had had the covid mrna shots which are a real problem but haven't got an answer yet.
The odds of a heart attack victim also having had the flu shot is really high as a result. But the odds of someone having a heart attack after getting the flu shot is very low.
What would you consider low? What is the point at which you would consider there was a safety signal that vaccines were likely to cause heart attacks.
Say, for example in the >65yo cohort, 10000 men received a flu injection & within 48 hours 100 of them presented to emergency with chest pains & were found to have cardiac issues. None of them had previous heart concerns. Would that be a "safety signal" to you? That's 1 in 100. If not, what are the numbers that would concern you?
You're looking at it backwards. You don't go looking for a problem with vaccines more than you look for heart attacks caused by sofas, you look at the sudden spike in cardiac issues amongst men who had never previously had heart concerns. If they had all just had a flu vaccine in the past 48 hours, that's significantly higher than the general rate of heart attacks amongst healthy men over 65. Much like if all 100 had eaten a sofa in the past 48 hours. It's why doctors always ask about what medications you've taken recently, allergies, events, things that cause stress, etc.
It's also a simplistic example, what's specific about this cohort? Over a million men get a flu vaccination each year, if it's just this cohort of 10,000 that had high rates of heart attacks then the vaccine is probably fine and it's something specific about the cohort, because it'd be a massive outlier.
If they were the first 10,000 to get the vaccine in a specific year then yes, that raises massive alarm bells because that is a huge spike in the death rate and the vaccine needs to be pulled instantly because it's likely the deaths won't stop there. If they were 10,000 on a specific day during vaccination season then that raises huge concerns about the batch of the vaccine. If they were vaccinated in the same building then there's a bigger concern about the building than the vaccine. If the cohort was a group of men over 65 who had a night of cocaine and strippers within 48 hours of being vaccinated… well I'm surprised it's only 1 in 100.
It's basic statistics. How do these 10,000 compare to the other 1.5m men over 65 who get vaccinated each year? We can compare them to the hundreds of thousands of men over 65 who don't have the flu vaccine. And there you get your baselines of how safe a vaccine is.
You don't go looking for a problem with vaccines
Why not? Wouldn't you want to know how much harm they are really causing?
Just as likely to be the porn he was watching a few seconds before his heart attack
Was there a reason he got the flu jab? I thought only at-risk people get the flu jab. I have never received the flu vaccine, and have been fine without it.
Herd mentality, most people do what they are told without doing a second of research into things for themselves.
Because injecting yourself with last year's flu strains to combat as the yet undiscovered/unsequenced flu strains of the following year is just science(TM) baby. In the same way that pumping yourself full of Covid boosters based on strains of the virus that are no longer in circulation or have long ago mutated will do wonders to stop you acquiring and transmitting the current strains of Covid. The filthy masses of ignorant plebs who can't move at the speed of science simply won't understand.
I have never received the flu vaccine, and have been fine without it.
Whoa there heretic… you're relying on your immune system? Those have been obsoleted and discontinued since 2020 thanks to the global roll-out of immunodeficiency-as-a-service and subscription-based-health-outcomes by our benevolent Big Pharma overlords. All your immune systems are belong to us now. Please proceed to your nearest Immunisation Re-Education Facility to be forcibly subjected to a vaccine hesitancy deprogramming protocol, otherwise you may be denied access to civilisation without warning. Thank you and have a nice day.
If you separated your obvious lack of understanding of biology from your criticism of government overreach you would have a point that would reach some people.
As it stands you tarnish those who have legitimate concerns about government powers by association.
No, I still do have a point, your only argument is that I should just censor myself to appease the feeble-minded and easily-outraged, which is just stupid.
As it stands you tarnish those who have legitimate concerns about government powers by association.
Oh goodness no…
…anyway. If you're quite finished being hysterical, don't the let door hit you on the way out.
@Gnostikos: No my argument is that you are coming across as a moron because you mix legitimate concerns with easily disproven arguments.
Don't let the bird droppings hit you on the way out.
It's been scientifically shown that having the flu shot will reduce the severity of an infection for a large number of people. I procrastinated about mine this year, got the flu and was laid out for about 48 hours. It was never going to kill me, but I would rather have those 48 hours back. My partner caught it from me, she had minor cold symptoms for a couple of days. I won't procrastinate in the future.
My anecdotal story isn't science. But the science tells the same story.
First time i heard only at risk people get the flu shot. Many organisations have free flu shots and have people come and administer them. Lots of 20-50 healthy adults at my work get free flu shots through work that dont deal with at risk people.
Is it just a coincidence that my healthy husband had a heart attack the day after receiving the flu injection? Has anyone else experienced a similar unexplained event.
20% of adults between 15 and 50 have had a flu vaccine in the past year- 5.2M people.
1.3M heart attacks per year.
Assuming even distributions throughout the year (and various other simplifications like people don't get 2 or more per year) then every year 1400 people have a heart attack within 48 hours of being vaccinated.I got Shingles after this year’s flu shot.
Facebook and Murdoch media is cancer. Now unless its told as a conspiracy it wont be accepted.
I also have a SCC skin cancer
Squamous cell carcinoma (SCC):
Squamous cell carcinoma (SCC) is a common type of skin cancer that occurs on your skin in places where you’ve been exposed to sun.
The best way to prevent SCC is to avoid sunburn.
Great post. Boomers gonna Boom.
Who says they were healthy?
Yes.