People’s adverse reactions to flu injections? Only serious comments please. Not the whether to have flu injection just your experience with adverse reactions
Flu injection reactions
aocal on 08/08/2024 - 10:32
Last edited 08/08/2024 - 13:49
Last edited 08/08/2024 - 13:49
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@OBEY YOUR MASTERS: My logic is backed by a large number of scientists around the world and the associated statistics they have gathered. What you aren’t producing is a valid counter argument. One only has to look at your moniker to see the sort of places you get your information from. As I’ve said before rightwingers often spend a lot of time accusing other people of what they are already doing. I don’t expect to change your mind because you refuse to get beyond your own ideology. All I do is ask people to evaluate the validity of their sources of information. All you guys do is hurl around insults and provide us to spurious links.
@try2bhelpful: Why would you assume I'm a right winger? I'm not a right winger. I'm definitely not left either. You have no idea what my ideology would be because I've said nothing about it.
You keep carrying on about my screen name like it's an argument. It's an obvious crack at people who simply obey authority without question. It would be the same if I called myself "1984Obey" or something like that.
Again typing away with the words and labels… I would never call myself a "logical person" or say that "my logic comes from science" or anything like that. I find that to be very disingenuous. Just make your arguments and let everyone else decide if you are logical or not.
You can change my mind if you have a good argument. I don't care about anything else.
@OBEY YOUR MASTERS: Your opinions label yourself. You align with the ideology of the rightwing. You use the terminology of the rightwing. My thinking is logical. It is based on facts from people with the training and background to best understand and articulate the issues.
I won’t change your mind whatever argument I use. As I said I’m not trying to change your mind. I‘m aiming for people who haven’t gone down the ideology rabbit hole.
@try2bhelpful: "My thinking is logical". There we go again. Maybe this is so deeply engrained that it is just something you believe about yourself? I suspect it is more of an arrogance thing. You perceive yourself to be smarter than the average (and perhaps you are) but people like this can often be trapped into wearing the arrogance blinkers and can't see the forest for the trees.
It appears to you that I am a right winger because I'm an individual not a collectivist. To a left winger this feels very unnatural. But I'm not a right winger and I certainly do not vote for the liberal party or anything like that.
You can't change my mind because you don't have any good arguments and you know it. What you have are words and labels and ad hominem attacks. That's about it.
@OBEY YOUR MASTERS: This is a pointless argument. You refuse to listen to reason because it isn’t in your nature. Just read what you are saying, it comes straight out of the rightwing manifesto of don’t trust the government or the health professionals. I will leave you to your little insular world. I’ve already made my points, many times over, to anyone who understands the importance of reliable sources of information and the credence of what they say. Funnily enough rightwingers often claim they are in the centre, no matter how “out there” their comments are. As I keep saying I won’t be able to change your mind so I urge people to go to the reliable sources and check out what the experts are saying. Funnily enough you don’t seem to want people to do that because you keep bringing it back to you.
@try2bhelpful: You dish out your "rightwingers" as if it is a final proclamation of a mortal sin. It's a pointless label that has lost any meaning. If you allude to the tendency of the conservatively leaning to be of more religious and (philosophically) idealistic persuasion then I will put to you that the similarly meaninglessly labelled "leftwingers" are demonstrating exactly the same qualities. The top current beliefs of the left are exactly that - beliefs. Back in the day most believers were not even able to read the Bible, and they did not need to, the priests did the heavy lifting. Now replace priests with scientists and any nonsense can be sold to the believers with a little help from media and enabling governments. The same coin is being used - fear and shame, virtue and salvation. Priests collectively at least had some agency, while scientists are being bought and sold penny a dozen.
@OBEY YOUR MASTERS: And by polices, you mean 'disagrees with'. You're not getting banned for having an opinion, you're simply being disagreed with.
Maybe you should go read my experience. My friends and I RUSHED to get the vaccine, We werent "anti-vaxxers" at all, In fact in my larger group of friends from school, we actually had some Anti - covid vaccine friends in the group, reason why i say that is they werent anti vaccine, but only anti covid vaccine. But they were quite hardcode anti covid vaccine, to the point of not being able to attend their kids school events and lots of other issues.
They used to have quite heated arguments with my friends and me about the covid vaccine as we defended it blindly because we had been told its all perfectly fine. To the point where they left our group somewhat and even to this day a few years later, they have not been as closed to the rest of the group of friends and it was due to the vaccine arguments / not coming to some events during that period as they refused to get vaccinated etc. But i repeat they werent Anti -vax, just anti covid vaccine.
What I get sick of, is everytime i say something about negative about the covid vaccine after all my experiences and some of my friends experiences, People try to shut me down by saying anti-vax or its just in your head / what have you been reading.
AGAIN My friends and I RUSHED to get the vaccine, In fact i got it very early on, I got the pfizer Late april of 2021 and then the 2nd shot in early june and I rushed to get the booster too when i could 6 months later. And then Bam, everything fell apart after that.
When I saw my anti covid vaccine friends several months after my issues had started from the booster and i told them about it. They were worried for me as well as a bit surprised but not overtly so. One of them who had tried his hardest to talk me out of getting the vaccines by sending me a lot of literature and information on it before i got the booster, went to me "Look I wont say I told you so" and just splayed his hands. As if he tried his best to get me to not take it and i hadnt listened to him and he was right.
I've had the real flu (knocked me hard) once in my life. I've had the flu vaccine once in my life.
The Vax was a few weeks before the flu.
I'm not antivax for normal stuff, but the yearly flu update is off my list now. This was about 6 years ago and haven't had flu since. Yes, it's anecdotal data, but it's enough for my personal decision.
Yes, it's anecdotal data, but it's enough for my personal decision.
Cast a wider net to include all the common vaccines & you might realise your anecdote is actually the norm. Time to revisit "not antivax for normal stuff".
Trusty me I am very skeptical of the medical/pharma industry, mainly owning to the fact I've spent tens of thousands of dollars and countless years trying ungodly amounts of medicine to cure some long term autoimmune stuff… All with no wins until a restrictive diet (which the doctors advised against) almost immediately solved almost everything.
I shudder to think of what damage I did to myself with all those terrible antibiotics, steroids and other random drugs…. At least I made some specialist extremely wealthy over the years 🤦♂️Despite my nearly consitent experience having extremely greedy and often evil doctors/specialists, I still sit somewhere in the middle of the Vax debates. There's been enough time for the big ones that the data is reliable enough for me, and I trust their safety and efficacy.
Flu Vax does not fit that criteria (unneeded for most and is new each year), and covid is one a really regret taking as I only did so in order to travel.
ungodly amounts of medicine to cure some long term autoimmune stuff
Can you think of a common medical intervention that supposedly "trains" your immune system? Might it not mess with your immune system?
Anyway, I'm happy to hear you've sorted your issue. It's called taking ones health into their own hands. Well done. Out of curiosity, what was the long term autoimmune issue?
Can you think of a common medical intervention that supposedly "trains" your immune system?
I'm not quite sure what you mean by this sorry?
what was the long term autoimmune issue?
Bit of a long one sorry.
For me they were a acne, keloid scaring, asthma (more of a constant bronchitis from post nasal drip), nasal polyps/permanently blocked nose and some "severe"(not my exaggeration, this is according to immunologist) allergies which likely caused most of the prior things.
If I cut out sugar and dairy most of the above reduces a lot. If I go carnivore, they all disappear, except keloids. They stop spreading but don't remove yet unfortunately, still brainstorming for those.
One final one that isn't autoimmune, I used to have INSANE indigestion. To the point it would shave hours of my sleep every night and make some work days unbearable.
Well on carnivore it doesn't reduce… It literally disappears. It's life-changing.
I've been having flu shots for nearly a decade now. No side effects at all, same with the covid shots.
We understand that not every single person that gets the flu shot has a reaction to it. My god.
The OP asked for serious answers, so we are giving them. Calm down, relax, my god..
Never get the flu shot. I got one and then three months later my wife ran off with her yoga instructor.
I was forced to have flu vaccination in 2020 & 2021 to be able visit my mother in aged care. I didn't feel any need for this as I rarely get colds or flus. I was living on Magnetic Island (off Townsville) 2002-2016 & only had one cold during those years. Soon after the 2021 injection, I experienced different strains of dermatitis on my upper chest, arms & armpits. This required changing shirts regularly & using a new towel each time I showered. This condition was a real problem & no medications were effective. Eventually, after six months it disappeared. I will never have another flu vaccination (I now spend most of my time in warm climates in Asia). I was also forced to have the first two covid vaccinations in 2021 to be able to visit my mother in aged care.
My 79 year old brother-in-law recently had a flu vaccination & four days later came down with a bad flu. He visited a satellite hospital where he tested positive for covid. This was a real problem as he was due to enter a hospital for knee reconstruction surgery three days later. However, after medication (don't know what), all symptoms disappeared and he was able to proceed with the scheduled op. I don't know why he had flu vaccination ten days before major surgery.
unfortunantly, no matter what reaction you get, if it turns into a syndrome or dysautonomia like POTS, the government will do nothing about it as they cant prove it, even if its kinda obvious, i had Mild MECFS until a vaccine in 2022 triggered me to be severe since with new dysautonomia symptoms which are very disabling, MCAS and POTS.
Science is not about the vibe by a bunch of lay people. It comes down to knowledge from people who have real qualifications and years of work in labs and the field. These posts always come down to people quoting what the majority of scientists have determined in real world situations against a few comments that people have dragged out of random websites that seem to bolster their “opinion”. Sorry I’m not interested in opinions when there are facts from properly qualified people out there. BTW The Government isn’t out to get you, for most of us it barely knows we exist.
BTW The Government isn’t out to get you
"You'll own nothing & you'll be happy" sure seems to be the narrative the government is hell bent on implementing.
You want to actually provide some proof on that? Giving me random tropes isn’t providing any proof at all. However, I suspect your local member of parliament, or even local councillors, wouldn’t know who you are.
your local member of parliament, or even local councillors, wouldn’t know who you are.
Of course they don't. Why would they need to?
They are concerned with implementing sustainable development goals from organisations like the UN & WEF!
However they are extremely concerned about any opposition to their plans, or even simple questioning, at the local, state or federal level. Which is why there's been such an uptick in anti-(vax, sovcit, consp theory, climate denier, science denier etc) rhetoric.
@Typical16-bitEnjoyer: Just in case you were not aware:
"Transitioning to a net-zero world is one of the greatest challenges humankind has faced. It calls for nothing less than a complete transformation of how we produce, consume, and move about."
That's not evidence of an uptick in anti rhetoric. Try again.
Yes sir. Thank you sir.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(23)00624-2/abstract
@mrdean: The irony of a troll being so obsessed with "finding the truth" can't even back up some of their most simplest claims. Please go back to your YouTube echo chamber.
@mrdean: Have you been paying attention to what is happening around the world? The cheapest form of energy to generate is renewables. The uptick is because some people have found a way of monetising group of people where empirical measurement, science and facts can’t reach them. They will look at all the evidence and think their unfounded opinions are more important. We have one planet to live on, we need to ensure it can sustain life going forward. I don’t expect to reach you, you are too far gone down the rabbit hole. I’m trying to reach the people who might be influenced into believing the rhetoric.
If people do Googling at reputable sites there is plenty of science to debunk the “anti” theories. They just have to think logically instead of thinking everything is a conspiracy.
Have you been paying attention to what is happening around the world?
Certainly. It's called "problem, reaction, solution".
@mrdean: You forgot the investigation to provide the solution. The years of testing and analysis that goes into scientific development. The peer reviews and cross checking against other studies. Cold hard facts, not the “vibe” feeling from some random on the internet showing off their paranoia.
Cold hard facts, not the “vibe” feeling from some random on the internet showing off their paranoia.
What saddens me most, is the lack of curiosity as well as the lack of a broader perspective of what constitutes "science" & how it has shifted.
https://bmcmedethics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s129…
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/07341512.2017.1…"For example, a 2014 Pew Research Center survey of members of American Association for the Advancement of Science, which is the world’s largest general scientific association, found that nearly half (47 %) believed that the pressure to develop marketable products was having an undue influence on the direction of their research, while a majority (69%) viewed a focus on projects expected to yield rapid results as having a similar influence on their research [28]. Another study, from 2014, concluded that the “government-initiated emphasis on commercialization” of U.S. university research “may undermine open paths toward novel technologies and hinder explorations of unknown fields” [29]."
The years of testing and analysis that goes into scientific development. The peer reviews and cross checking against other studies. Cold hard facts, not the “vibe” feeling from some random on the internet showing off their paranoia.
100% correct - I often think that a person from the 1900's or even 1800's would be mortified by how bloody stupid the average person is these days. People used to know what they did know and for that they knew they didn't they knew who to listen to instead.
Now a blowhard says to take Cattle Wormer for a respiratory disease or to somehow inject light to beat Covid into your body and morons are lining up to prove Darwinian Theory.
@Daniel Plainview: It isn’t just injections. People think they can beat cancer with alternative therapies. I’ve no trouble with people eating properly and looking after their health to improve their chances but it should be as a complement rather than replacement. Then you have the absolute morons who decided their daughter could do without her diabetes medicine because they would use prayer instead. The poor child died. I am incandescent with rage about that.
@try2bhelpful: Oh yes, very much aware - alas religious extremists of any type tend to have some pretty nutty ideas. It sucks that parties who cannot advocate for themselves are the collateral damage, but if the Govt etc steps in there's folks complaining about that.
Some people have to learn the hard way - is a bitter pill but no real alternative.
It isn’t just injections. People think they can beat cancer with alternative therapies.
https://www.scitechnol.com/peer-review/fenbendazole-enhancin…
The authorities & corporations will attempt to campaign against fenbendazole, they will try to convince the public it doesn't work & is a danger, partly through fake science, partly through regulations & legislation that restricts or prohibits its use, & by ridiculing those who advocate for it. Just like they did with laetrile, antineoplastions, hoxsey, coleys toxins & many other treatments that worked.
100% correct - I often think that a person from the 1900's or even 1800's would be mortified by how bloody stupid the average person is these days. People used to know what they did know and for that they knew they didn't they knew who to listen to instead.
I'm not so sure about this.
eg: https://romanbystrianyk.substack.com/p/10-crazy-facts-about-…
"The original inventor of vaccination actually believed that vaccination material originated from a disease on horses called the grease. In 1787, Edward Jenner went with his nephew, George Jenner, to look at a horse with diseased heels. Edward Jenner proclaimed, “There”—he pointed to the horse’s heels—“is the source of smallpox.”[2] Many vaccinations originated from horses, not cows. According to John Le Gay Brereton, Esq., MD: …the original lymph we use from the Royal Vaccine Institute has never been vaccine lymph at all; from the day it was introduced into London to the present time—it was derived from the arm of Jane King, who was inoculated from a horse with greasy heels.[3]"
No problemo many years in a row.
Most reactions are psychosomatic is my estimation.
Having said that inject anything into a muscle wil probably give a bruise like sensation.
I've never had a reaction to any of the vaccines I've had.
How do you know?
You might have developed reactions or illnesses later that you never thought to attribute to the vaccines.
You can die from a flu jab. I know two elderly cases but they are already frail
So the medical authorities tied the deaths back to the flu jab? Was a case of causation established?
How can they tie the deaths to the jab, when they think of vaccines as "safe & effective"?
Sometimes I get a mild fever and headache, maybe some pain at the injection site. Nothing a good night's rest can't fix.
If the OP wants to see some reported reactions to the flu jab (australian), then
https://daen.tga.gov.au/medicines-search/
is the site to visit.
I ran a report for the two fluarix jabs (quadrivalent & tetra), & about 1500 cases had been officially reported. Given the generally accepted under reporting of events, & despite the tga's disclaimer on this data, this probably captures a very small percentage of actual cases.
Out of those 1500 cases, about 1100 of them had the fluarix as the only medicine taken at the time, other cases had multiple medicines given to the patient.
The data can be exported to spreadsheet form, but this seems to only capture one of the medDRA reaction terms listed on the web page for each record.
Wow, 5368 for paracetamol. 2418 as suspected single suspected medicine.
Not sure why you're not all over that instead, given higher events.
Funny how you're ok with small business adding poisons to our food for money, but if it's the Gov or corp, you suddenly get mad. You don't actually care about health and poisons, your beef is with the Gov, big corps and "mainstream". Not sure what your agenda is, but drop the facade, it's silly..
not sure about flu jab, but have first hand references with harsh reactions for the infamous first covid jab.
The way I read the data is that flu vaccines ultimately reduce the rates of heart attacks, as they reduce the chance of catching the flu which can trigger heart attacks.
Yes there are adverse reactions the the jab, perhaps in extremely rare cases they can trigger a heart attack, but said person likely would have had one at some point.
Collateral damage.
I thought as a society people were okay with that even though it was 0.1% of the population are affected by adverse effects.
Flu vaccines change all the time, so one year's vaccine strain might hit you like a truck and the other times it will just be like a mosquito bite. That stress from the symptoms of the vaccine can induce the heart attack. That is the most likely scenario.
Remember, the vaccine basically simulates the virus entering the body.
Be glad you and your family are not paralysed by the flu vaccine; I have seen it happen.
I had the flu injection and I was fine (in fact better than most years because I didn't get the flu).
Is that a coincidence? Well no, not really.
@try2bhelpful: You are just typing words and labels. Calling yourself logical does not make it so. You would be a logical person if you had carefully reasoned arguments. But when your obvious facade becomes too transparent you descend into adhom attacks against your opponents. That is NOT logical. You are an ideological not a logical one.