Hi Everyone,
Some nice thinclients in HP
Make & Model - HP T640
Form Factor - ThinClient
Processor - Ryzen R1505G, 2.4GHz Processor
RAM - 8GB
Storage - 64GB
Storage Type - SSD
Ports - 3 DisplayPort 1.2 | 1 x DisplayPort over USB Type-C with Power Delivery | 3x USB 3.1 Gen 1 Type A Port, 1 x USB 3.1 Gen 2 Type-C port | 2 x USB 2.0 Type-A port
Features - Wired-Ethernet (RJ-45)
Operating System - NO OS
Uh it quite clearly says it has a 64GB SSD
Ohhh gee, yeah NO OS threw me off. Okay yes.
But still. N5105 thin clients seem to be a bit better for around the same? Or is it the single care performance that makes this one a good deal?
ýes the N5xxx ones are arguably better with 4 actual strong (relative) cores
@Balls: They are actually much weaker cores that even in multithreaded workloads they work out only slightly (~5-10%) ahead of the R1505G's 2 cores… For the tasks these will be used for the higher single-thread performance of the Ryzen would probably work out better in most workloads I'd imagine.
Better get $100 N100 instead
It's a thin client, its not for playing games unless that game is on another computer
Who said anything about gaming?
These are media server/HomeLab candidates for me. Processing power is still very important for many, many reasons.
Can i honestly ask you what kind of system you expect to buy for $70?
Nothing special. But this doesn’t fit my needs, that’s all. Display port is generally a limiting factor for random monitors I use my HomeLab stuff for.
I thought 4 core stuff wasn’t much more expensive but I guess they are.
lower score than n5105
Passmark says the Ryzen 5105G is all of an unnoticeable 5% slower than a N1505 using all cores and threads, and its the other way round by a about the same margin on single core performance with the 5105G slightly faster. So they are about as close as you can get for two processors, one a 2C/4T one from AMD and the other a 4C/4T one from Intel.
id rather those $80 6400T mini pc's you see everywhere on marketplace with 128/8GB
Power usage and noise are the only reasons, you might save $30-50 a year if it's running 24/7 doing something very basic (note, numbers calculated in my head after a glass of wine, do not make financial decisions based off my advice).
Granted, I'm not sure what that use case is. Pfsense maybe?
The issue with 6400Ts are the ssd slot. It still uses Sata, and m.2 sata is getting pretty expensive.
You may want to check that. Mine take NVMe . Its all about the fan.
10/10 google flex machine. Has Official chrome OS Flex support till 2030. 8Gb Ram and 2 core 4 thread machine this will fly. good purchase for anyone.
Untech: does it come with a stand/foot?
Yes, we do have stands for these
Well you ought to say, and put it in the advert as included, because they are passively cooled so HP says these should not be used unless they are mounted on the stand - either vertically or horizontally - or on the back of a monitor - which requires another type of mount. The stand spaces the unit up enough that the air can flow up through it by convection.
How much are they?
Will ship them with stands. No extra cost
The unit can be used vertically or horizontally.
To use it vertically the two screws go into two holes on the bottom of the unit that you wouldn't notice unless you know they're there. Do not screw them in tightly, because they are only going into rubber, and you'll ream out the hole in the rubber. Finger tight is enough. Do not just put on a flat surface without the base because the bottom of the unit is not flat. It may fall over.
To use it horizontally there's a panel on the back of the unit you remove by inserting a screw driver into the slot and gently prying it off. The mounting holes for the base are under that panel. Do not just put it on a flat surface because it is convection cooled and that blocks the airflow. It will overheat, and may be damaged.
Anyone have real world power draw. Best I could find was 45W max
How long is a piece of string?
The current draw of a processor, or a system with a given processor in it, depends on what its doing.
A HP T640 thin client comes with a 60 watt power brick if it has the USB-C option that provides power out to a screen, or a 45 watt power brick if it doesn't. The processor itself is rated at 15 watt TDP, ie, maximum draw, and idles at something under 3 watts.
I can plug one into a watt meter and fire it up and get the units power draw if you like.
Idle is what I'm after. Thanks. comparing to pi4
If this is to be believed, it's 7-9 watts at idle
https://www.energystar.gov/productfinder/product/certified-c…
@surethang: Yes, 7-9 watts for the whole device is probably about right when its got a processor in it that idles at about 3 watts.
Use case?
Its a well-built reliable low end PC with a Ryzen processor in it that will run Windows 10 or 11 off an MVMe M.2 SSD of whatever size you want to plug into it, and whatever DP or HDMI (with a passive DP to HDMI cable) screen you want to use up to and including 4K. For a lot of people that quite enough PC power to do the internet and office computing they want to do. And its passively cooled, so its silent.
What its not is internally expandable, or suitable for gaming.
Home assistant.
For anyone who is interested, this is how you get one of these running Windows 10 or 11.
First go into the BIOS and set secure boot on and the TPM on if you want to run Windows 11, or both of them off if you want to run Windows 10 and don't want it to try to upgrade to 11.
Then you install Windows the same as you would with any PC, off a USB stick.
Then you go to the AMD drivers site and get the drivers for the R1505G processor, and install them. You need to do that because they aren't in retail Windows. If I remember correctly you have to reboot and do the video driver last. Do not get the drivers from the HP T640 thin client site, they only work on the version of Windows HP supplies.
Does it include wifi adapter or is it optional?
Im planning to install Mint Linux on it for my son do his homework
Thank you
My order just got delivered and it does have an wifi card in it.
If it HDMI id buy it
I guess I am!
Like many computing devices for the enterprise market it has DP++ video ports. You can identify then by the ++ next to the DP symbol. They can sense whether the other end of the video cable is plugged into a DP or HDMI screen, and send the right signals to it. So they don't require a more expensive active cable that converts from DP to HDMI, just a passive cable with a DP plug on one end wired to a HDMI plug on the other end. HP has cables that do that. Cable suppliers do too.
Note that passive DP to HDMI cables only work with DP++ ports. And they definitely don't work the other way around to let you connect a DP screen to a PC's HDMI port.
In term of processing power, which model of Raspberry Pi is similar to this? Or this is more powerful than any Raspberry Pis?
More powerful than at least the 4, probably the 5 too
Thanks
Untech, does itncomr with wifi adapter or is it optional
HP sells them new in various configurations.
One configuration has an inbuilt antenna and a wifi card in an M.2 A+E socket. They all have the socket, so you can always fit an M.2 wifi card yourself, or fit a better one, if you buy a T640 second hand. But if it doesn't have one in it, there'll be no antenna either, and you've got to figure out a way to fit one externally, which is possible but messy.
Another configuration has the USB-C socket on the back that can drive a monitor and supply power to it. This appears to be the configuration Untech has for sale.
It is technically possible, but I've never seen a T640 that has been supplied by HP with both. Untech would have to confirm whether what they have does.
There are plenty of T640s with wifi available. But they cost about $160 + postage on ebay. Decide whether that's worth another hundred bucks.
I did get one with wifi card and a usb type c port.
Congratulations, you hit the jackpot.
The wifi cards in them aren't worth much because they're a couple of generations old, but if the wifi card is there, the T640 will have built in wifi antennas, and you can get a newer wifi card and fit it easily if you want.
I chose to pay a bit more for one of the new T640s UNTech were selling. I'm going to be really annoyed if I paid more and didn't get both USB-C and wifi, when I could have paid less for a refurbished one and gotten both like you did.
@GordonD: Oh damn. Which one did you get on the website?
Ive installed HAOS and restored from pi4b backup. Everything worked without any issues. I also updated it to use wifi.
I did not test the wifi speed 😅 I'll try to do it tomorrow.
Yes there are built-in wifi antennas. Replacing with a new wifi card is easy. Next is looking for a wifi card deal 😂
Is the storage drive an actual SSD or eMMC?
My advice? Budget $25 to buy a 256GB M.2 NVMe SSD on ebay. Its an M.2 2230/2242/2280 gen3 x4 socket.
So storage in this machine is replaceable?
Sure is. Its just a plain ordinary M.2 socket that'll take any NVMe M.2 SSD.
The previous generation of thin clients took M.2 SATA SSDs, which are rapidly becoming expensive and hard to get. Its a good reason to avoid them, and get a T640, because it takes NVMe M.2 SSDs same as all PCs use these days. Note though that it only has a socket for one. And there are no SATA ports, so you can't expand its storage that way either. If you find you need more storage you have to replace the NVMe SSD in it with a bigger one.
I tried fitting a second storage device in a T640 by getting a SD card and an SD card to M.2 A+E socket adapter and putting it in the wifi card socket in the T640. It worked. It gave me two drives. But the only SD card to M.2 A+E socket adapter I could find was r-e-a-l-l-y s-l-o-w. Like 30 MB/s. A USB storage device would have been way faster.
@GordonD: Thanks for the info @GordonD. I'm interested. Will this be powerful enough to run Immich do you think?
Mine had eMMC. Home Assistant OS said 10% life used on eMMC.
Won't the hard drive die fairly quickly if you don't have write filter?
3 days left and I am still considering :-p
This video suggests that we can also add more RAM? Can someone confirm that? If so, is this the correct type of RAM? I imagine after upgrading the RAM and SSD I might end up costing around $150. Is there any better alternative with the same size and form factor for the same money? Thanks.
Mine had 2 * 4gb RAM. Its Sodimm ram which is the small one that goes into laptops.
T640s use laptop memory. They have two DDR4 SODIMM slots. A T640 will work with only one SODIMM, but that limits how many screens it can drive and what resolution you can get out of them. If only one slot is populated, you can simply put another similar SODIMM in the other slot. If both are populated you can only upgrade the memory by taking out the ones in there, and putting in bigger capacity SODIMMs.
It uses DDR4 2400 MHz SODIMMs. Faster ones will work, but only at 2400 MHz.
I upgraded my T640s - and another couple of computers that can use 3200 MHz SODIMMs - to 16GB with second hand 8GB 3200 MHz SODIMMs I got on ebay for $45 per pair. I see plenty of similar 2400 MHz ones on ebay. I even see some brand new ones for not much more than I paid for the used 3200 MHz ones.
@untech This deal is expired, but if I click through I can see that you still have stock at $70.
Can you please confirm if I order now, I will still get a stand included for free?
Thanks
HereOnDailyBasis said that he received a machine with an eMMC.
Did everyone receive the same??
Still available, mine arrived today, my unit came with USB-C Display out for the optional module.
It also came with a wireless module built-in supporting WiFi 5 2x2 & BT5.1
The RAM config was 2x4GB Dual Channel.
I assume the lack of specs is due to different configs, so perhaps luck of the draw.
Thanks OP.
Mine arrived yesterday and it has the USB-C and wifi. On my Lenovo USB C monitor the USB C does display, power and USB devices such as KB/Mouse. On my Anker dock it only does display but no power (thats to be expected, its only connected to power by an anker 323 which is 33w) and on another Dell USBC monitor I tried it does power and display but no USB devices such as KB/Mouse.
For my use case which is something to use in the garage to look up parts diagrams, google and listen to music its perfect. I tried Fedora and it ran really well and have recently installed ChromeOSFlex which seems to fit the bill of a simple kiosk like system a bit better.
It came in great condition and I swapped out the eMMC for a used Hynix 256gb nVME I had on the shelf. Seems like a great little device.
I've popped ChromeOS Flex on mine as well, surprisingly responsive given the specs of the device.
It works well so far as a box for my daughter to do her homework on, given it's all in Google Classroom.
Mine also arrived today, with the USC-C option and wifi card.
You can install Windows 11 to the eMMC if you load the BayHub controller driver from Lenovo here:
https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/us/en/products/laptops-and-netb…
Its hasn't completed installation yet, so I don't know how much free space will be left over.
Or if it will perform acceptably to be worthwhile.
27GB free after initial install
17.6GB free after applying windows updates
19.9GB after Disk Clean up
That doesn't leave a lot of space to install anything else, even for a headless server.
I'll probably swap out the eMMC for a proper M2 SSD, like everyone else is doing.
Its a shame to waste the eMMC though :-(
mine arrived today USB-C, but no wifi, no stand.
I have been unable to update to the latest BIOS.
I downloaded "M43 Bios 00.01.21 Rev.A.exe" from https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/hp-t640-thin-client/293… and unpacked SP152017
When I run M43_0121.exe in the SP152017\Win folder, and accept the UAC popup, it does not proceed to the InstallShield Wizard which would load the "HP BIOS Update and Recovery" utility.
Has anybody else been able to update their BIOS?
I ended getting it to work by downloading it onto a Windows 10 computer and installing onto a Usb stick from there.
Before that, no luck at all on Windows 11, even after trying some of the workarounds I spotted online.
@gibspmuh Thanks for that. I was able to create the usb under Win 10 and update the bios.
When it didn't work under Win 11, I would not have though to try under Win 10.
Mine also arrived today. No wifi module or stand. Has usb c PD.
Anyone know what wifi card and antenna these can use?
The card mine came with is an Intel 9260NGW
Win 11 identifies it as "Intel Wireless-AC 9260 160MHz"
I think its a dual band wifi + bluetooth card
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2 cores, lower score than n5105, no SSD, display port only.
$70
A bit of a rough sell, no?