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Ozbargainers' favourite coffee machine back in when it was below $1000.
$1,299.00 comes down to $1084.07 via Cashrewards 2% casback if it tracks.
Edit: Cashrewards tracked $20.07
Breville BES920BSS the Dual Boiler Coffee Machine $1104.15 Delivered @ David Jones
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Lstilltooexpensive on 27/06/2024 - 08:46 davidjones.com (1258 clicks)
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It's closer to a 1k machine (has been well under 1k in the past)
Tamping is what makes the experience authentic IMO :)
That's a horrible implementation.. tamp it yourself it's better
Don't forget you will need a coffee grinder too. This one is the common choice with this machine:
https://www.breville.com/au/en/products/coffee-grinders/bcg8…10k machines don't have tamping functions mate
Hahaha, exactly, even the ultra-premium 3 to 4k home machines don't have it. It's considered more of a novelty.
Listen to us "coffee snobs" ;)
Don't know what is the point of going for an enthusiast level product when you're just going to skimp on the corners for the easiest part of the job that also has one of the biggest benefits to the quality of the coffee
I have the auto tamping on my Oracle, does a terrible job. I don't use it anymore and use a dedicated grinder. Only point in having the Oracle now is the auto milk, but at least the auto milk is really good.
Great deal, love my BDB it's a fantastic machine
This model is 8 years old an used to be $700
$600
Inflation.
The COGS increases, so profit will be reduced, say from 200 to 100.
Then, that $100 buys fewer big macs.
So you need $300 profit to get the same purchasing power as $200
@Bisky1: Yeh I get that but I don't think manufacturing costs have increased, maybe a little during Covid but it has stabilized since then.
Even checking prices of metals (except gold) have even dipped lower than what it was before covid.
Interesting times we live in.
@itsmoe: They can and are allowed to set their own pricing, they don't even need a reason, I am not sure why you think that's illegal.
Based on that logic, Apple has the highest hardware margins on the planet, shall we take them to court for making too much money? Answer, you don't have to buy a product if it's too expensive for you, you have a choice and there is plenty of competition.
These products are nice to have luxuries, they are not necessities like food and water.@SimAus007: No I get that, maybe not illegal, maybe unethical is the word I was looking for but yeh, it's their right to do and price their products as they see fit.
@itsmoe: I work in manufacturing, everything you've said is wrong, including thinking that the raw material prices would have any impact on the price of a machine like this at all.
@itsmoe: production lines have limited capacity, and if you want slow demand, increase the price. No manufacturer wants to have excess production capacity , so they sweet spot, price vs how many can we make per week. Then there is also the cost to ship, is there cheap excess shipping available. Also how big is the warehouse in Australia.
There are lots of things are currently not at level that manufacturers need to dump.
Lockdown + WFH made every office worker become a barrister.
Model number is old, but they have made upgrades over time. An example would be moving away from O-rings on the internal fittings to a different style of compression fitting. The O-Rings were one of the major reasons for failure on these machines if they were not maintained.
BDB is an excellent machine, however I wouldn't pay that much for one. I got a second hand one in Brisbane for about $400. If anyone wants contact details I've got a guy who refurbs and sells them, and does servicing for them as well. He's bloody brilliant at it and always looks after me.
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This the North Lakes bloke?
Na Mark at woolowin, I didnt know there was a northlakes guy too.
Can you please pass on his contact details/website? Thanks in advance
Anyone know a good repair/service place in Sydney?
Check in the coffeesnobs.com.au BDB forum. Thought I did see that there was someone in Sydney… Could have been a caffeine withdrawal hallucination tho…
Bravo repairs
+1 for Bravo
No but I will tell you one to stay away from. O'briens on Abbott Rd Seven Hills.
Why is that?
@kiitos: Because this is how it came back after being repaired under warranty with a steam leak.
https://imgur.com/a/bes920-corrosion-after-steam-leakage-YHh…@Flyerone: All that damage is caused by your steam leak that was clearly happening for a while.
Breville sucks to deal with as a service agent, if they had taken the time and cleaned up all that mess in your machine they would not have been making any money, it sucks for you but I don't blame them for returning it like that. The work order would have been for the leak and that's all they are paid to do.
Bravo repairs is official Breville service centre.
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Was $899 last December at DJ.
NOOOOOOOOOOO hahaha my first espresso machine smeg ecf01 is on verge of dying so I will just lick my wound for now
Even if you pay a bit too much its an excellent machine. I'd suggest a bottomless portafilter as a first upgrade as I've gotten better results from it.
Then you can get:
A stupidly expensive grinder (I've got a Niche Zero)
A shot mirror (so you can watch the gooey espresso flow)
A WDT tool (our lord and saviour James Hoffmann recommends it)
A calibrated self leveling tamping tool (gotta make sure you're tamping properly)
A smoothing/leveling tool (because you can never have too many puck prep steps)Then you can finally buy overpriced single origin beans so you know the farmers name, hopes, dreams and what their children want to do when they grow up.
You might even enjoy the coffee after all that!
Don't forget your spray bottle for spritzing.
@gadget: I mean, I've got one but dont use it. I find it leads to the beans sticking to the grinder feeder. I've had very little issues with static or retention with the Niche Zero so far, so spritzing is not in my routine.
That being said, OF COURSE YOU NEED TO BUY ONE! You must appease the coffee gods.
@garage sale: Any small spray bottle will suffice. Watch James Hoffman's spritzing video so you know which one to get ;)
legend and a half making me feel better about the purchase =D
got myself Baratza Encore™ ESP, WDT, tamper and scale for now. Would need to change my tamper now as this are bigger than 51mm but really looking forward to the new machine!
@stilltooexpensive: *I forgot you also have to buy a specialised coffee scale that does timing/weight calculations, sends it to your phone, and makes you feel disappointed if you miss your shot weight by 0.01g.
I want to know what the bean farmer's dog eats for breakfast. Otherwise no deal!
@Naigrabzo: I can't possibly enjoy my coffee without this information! I'll need the dogs name, date of birth, breed and diet at minimum. Same goes for any cats/goats/cows/children :p
Any suggestion on bottomless portafilters? The Breville one is $110
@Morien: I bought this one:
https://www.amazon.com.au/NEOUZA-Bottomless-Portafilter-Comp…However I twisted a bit hard and it ended up breaking the weld between the handle and the basket. So maybe something like this that appears a bit more solid?
https://www.amazon.com.au/Biendo-Permanent-Bottomless-Portaf…
IMO shot mirror is probably the last on the list. There is the initial novelty to watch the flow (which you can bend over to look anyway), it gets bored quickly. And it is that one thing gets into the way, needs cleaning and re-position.
A bottomless portafilter has functional benefits, notably increased clarence, direct flow and therefore less heat lost, easer to remove the basket and to clean. But you lose the ability to split a shot, probably doesn't matter to 90% users.
You also forget to mention precision baskets, shower screen, puck screen, and basket filter paper.
@browser: Ooofff, I'm so forgetful! Admittedly I do use a puck screen, a precision basket and tried filter papers for a while before ditching them. I haven't invested in a different shower screen (yet) but I've got to leave myself some room to grow!
@Intoxicoligist: Drinking my International Roast instant and laughing at these comments above…(i just can't afford one to be truthful)
@jastreb: Bwahahaha.
I just did the maths to justify it.
$400 on the machine
$600 on the grinder
$70/kg on beans
$1-3/L on milk (if I'm feeling bougie I get the single herd Harris Farms milk, otherwise its coleworth lite milk)
$??? on electricityIf I'd normally buy 2-3 $6 coffee's I'm probably going to end up coming out ahead in…. about 10 years…
Although the more coffee I drink the more I save…. I think…
@Intoxicoligist: Get the Breville grinder. $250.
I wouldn't spend 70 on beans. Just rock Aldi. 15/kg.
You do need to make a coffee per day to make it worthwhile though. 6 per day x 300 = 1800.
THIS IS OZBARGAIN!
@Naigrabzo: But my $600 second hand Niche Zero gives me a marginal increase in quality (or so the internet tells me).
MARGINAL I SAY!
@garage sale: Try the Aldi straight away and compare the two. I compared a $60 coffee vs Aldi and my friends and relos couln't tell the difference. I certainly can't for milky caffees anyway. I don't drink black or long shots.
@Naigrabzo: Aldi stuff is good as long as you get fresh/recently roasted. You can check the dates on the side. Stale beans are rubbish, no matter what brand.
@Intoxicoligist: $70 on beans is wild, I spend $33 a month and have at least two cups a day which is at least 60 cups, often lasts a little longer than a month so more than 60 cups. 60 cups x $5 a cup = $300 a month if I were to buy a $5 coffee twice a day.
You do not need a $600 grinder as well.
@Mooncakes: Oh that was a second hand grinder for $600. I'd considered the breville one at $250 but when a Niche came up second hand for that price I jumped on it. I'm hoping its a buy once cry once situation seeing as it got a lot of good reviews.
Also yeah, aldi beans would probably be fine, but I quite like my Five Senses/Duke/Other Single Origin beans. Got to know the farmers name or my inner city latte sipping compatriots will disown me.
@Intoxicoligist: Mate, just check on OB for bean sales. Alternatively get a Behmor and roast your own. Be totally vertically integrated and guaranteed 100% fresh roasts!
@browser: One of the biggest benefits of a bottomless portafilter is the ability to diagnose each shot based on the flow. This allows you to modify/tweak your workflow to reduce channeling etc. that is identified.
The shot mirror makes this significantly easier, otherwise you're bending and looking under the machine to see how it's going.
@The Hobo: I have stopped observing how quickly the flows merge into one, I just make sure that time to extract remains the same, and to adjust the grind as needed.
Often, I know the extraction will be off when grind volume changes (same beans, same time). This happens when beans become stale in the hopper, and when refilled with fresh beans.
I use a dice to remind myself the next time I start the grinder, 1 coarser, 6 finer. because I don't want to make adjustments when the motor is not spinning, and I don't want to waste beans just to grind some to throw away.
@browser: Do you have grind beans coarser when they become stale?? I note a big difference but don't know how to adjust it.
Even at this price it's still a good buy, but personally i'd wait for a better sale. A few times a year these will go to 900-1000.. also worth keeping in mind that non-Australian customers (i.e Europe, USA) pay the equivalent of 2k+ AUD for these, one of the few machines we actually get a good deal on.
You won't get another dual boiler with PID, programmable preinfusion etc in Australia for anything less than probably 2.5k to put it into perspective.
Agree. This time last year I was getting frustrated waiting for them to become available, let alone drop in price. I'd missed out on the prev sale in April-ish. Eventually my patience paid off and I got one sub $1000 in November. I knew it would drop further but by that stage I didnt want to take the risk. It did go down to $850 I think but I was happy to have the machine for a month by then :)
TL;DR: Wait a couple months and they will be on sale again
another legend here, thanks!
Buy now with 28degree mastercard, claim price protection to get the loot back later.
Petrol was 95c/l just a few years ago.
Petrol was 96c through lockdown 🙂 cheapest I had seen since I was little.
FYI Jura is hosting a warehouse sale - they sell refurbished machine once or twice a year.
Anyone with experiences of these? Was looking for something like the E6/8 for when I have to make a few at a time.
I did my purchase yesterday, still waiting the email asking me to pickup the machine.
Which one?
im somewhat tempted to buy cheap ones off fb marketplace, what does/can go wrong on a coffee machine?
The seals will all need to be replaced. You’ll start to get leaks, hear hissing, water spraying out of the group head. A professionally service and replacing all seal can cost 3-400. Just buy new for $1000 dude.
/facepalm
For those unaware yes it's a long running product however it was recently updated to include reliably improvements to its boiler seals etc. I'm on my 2nd BDB since around 2014 and for the money they really are an excellent machine.
https://coffeesnobs.com.au/forum/equipment/brewing-equipment…I bought a spare in 2019 for $629, still havent used as original still going and warranty on spare has expired …. they are a very reliable machine for the number of coffees mine has made.
Got one for the same price 5 years and a week ago along with 5 years extended warranty (I heard stories that it would blow up in 3 years). Still going strong.
Everyday price is $1,148 ($44 more) at Good Guys Commerical.
I got one in April 2020, came with the Smart Grinder Pro, for $1397. I love it.
I'd strongly recommend getting it service just before end of warranty. I didn't, and a few months out of warranty it started to have issues. When power was on at powerpoint, but the unit was off, it would continue to stay hot. Also a couple of issues with not running/not stopping with button presses. Googling, a bunch of people said "just buy this circuit board, replace it yourself" etc.. but I wasn't up for that at the time. Took it to service centre, and I think it cost about $400 to get it going properly again. It's bigger than I need, wifey would probably like a little more bench space back, but I'm happy with the coffee it makes.
To those who’ve owned a Breville Express (this is what I have atm) and the BDB with standalone grinder, how much of an upgrade is the combo? I know it’s hard to quantify how good a coffee is but I just want to know if it’s worth shelling out $1100 (BDB) + $600 for grinder (I’m thinking Mignon). I want to make the jump but a little hesitant.
I upgraded to the Mignon and BDB, makes a noticeable difference - but not as much as I thought it would (if that makes sense?) (The law of diminishing returns.. The BBE makes pretty decent coffee, there's only so much room for improvement)
Do I regret it? Absolutely not. My only regret/question is maybe I should have gone the Niche instead of the Mignon Specialita.
Cheers
Separate grinder makes a huge different in espresso consistency, you'll get way more consistent results with a grinder that you can actually get a consistent dose amount with - but usually requires a cheap scale and extra effort to measure the weight of the beans you put in. You can sort of do that already with the BBE built in grinder if you just single dose with it each time but it can still be inconsistent and have a lot of retention compared to a cheap eureka grinder
But alternatively you could just buy a separate grinder and continue to use the BBE - it's still good!
Also just buy the cheapest eureka grinder from espressocoffeeshop - you can usually email them for a discount code and it's more like $300-$400 for the eureka mignon manuale
Manuale is very noisy though and in the "screeching" frequency range.
I should have mentioned - I was already single dosing in the BBE using the bellows modification and weighing in/out etc.
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