Make It Difficult for People in Their Lives and They Get Vaccinated

During a House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus hearing Monday, Rep. Rich McCormick (R-GA) questioned Dr. Fauci on a statement on vaccine requirements he made during a recorded interview.

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“It’s been proven that when you make it difficult for people in their lives, they lose their ideological bullshit, and they get vaccinated.” Official Quote by Anthony Stephen Fauci

Note: When Fauci says proven, he is clearly referring to the science behind psychological manipulating the public. He says he is a man of science, so people should hold him to that.

Just a few years ago Fauci was crowning himself as the "King of Science". This includes the famous quote where he stated that if you disagree with him, you are disagreeing with science.

It might be your first time hearing these shocking comments by Fauci, but this is him behind the mask.

So what does it mean for Australia?

Undoubtedly these same types of scientific types of people that rise to the top of bureaucratic government positions all over the world. I suspect that this is because most people they grow up in school and they think science is easy. Students just repeat what is in the textbook and they score high marks because they can regurgitate facts and memorise a formula. By the way if you didn't realise, that is not real science and just shows how poorly structured the current educational system is as it emphasises the regurgitation of facts.

People forget the Therapeutic Goods Administration is not an independent organisation. There is nothing special about the people inside that organisation, maybe they learned a few extra years of some topic at university and I hope they at least are at a standard to which they have written a thesis which is basically a long essay on a specialised topic. Some thesis papers are absolutely garbage in my opinion. But most importantly it reveals that these types of people are just ordinary people. They are just government workers to be more specific. They know very little and more critically they especially know nothing about a new pandemic. They know nothing more than the average citizen. Governments should not be given the right to control how people behave in a pandemic.

The problem is this lack of knowledge is not just constrained to scientists, but humans in general. I have met many barristers and solicitors, even former judges. Believe it or not sometimes cannot even recall the facts of a case I mention or recall key legislation in their field of expertise after a bit of uhm and ahing. If you told me if I remembered some facts of an obscure case I would probably tell you, "I am not sure myself, I believe it was something involving some type of snail-like object in the bottle, but I would not commit myself to that". However, you will often notice that because of the immunity granted to bureaucrats that they will not be frank and honest with you about what they don't know. This is why you cannot trust the government.

This is why it is my opinion that the public should focus on replacing government with uncensored artificial intelligence. People should not be scared of it. This is the reality that faces us and I don't see why the public puts so much emphasis on the government to protect its citizens when it is basically not well equipped to do any such thing. For example, the government cannot represent the people properly because the number of representatives does not account for the growth in the population. Even if representation somehow worked at the time when the Constitution was written, it clearly no longer functions as it was intended to. Has the number of senators and representatives increased by 7x in line with population growth? No it has not, representation has gone backwards to a tune of 7x. Even if you believed the government worked for the good of the people, you cannot deny that the representation has been watered down so much. I am not saying that would fix the issues immediately as there are core problems with the existence of government.

If it were a real pandemic then everyone would be clamouring to get vaccinated (provided that vaccine worked and did not have an even higher death rate than the disease it was preventing) and those foolish people who remain unvaccinated, pardon my words, will be left to rely on their natural immunity. I am sure many of the people within the anti-vax movement understand this core principle.

Bill Gates is a kind of famous oracle and he states that another type of pandemic will happen again. Time and time again his predictions/wisdom ironically seems to come true. Apparently the cusp of another Bird Flu Pandemic is here.

Ask yourself: Are you going to make the same choices next time?

Would you honestly take another experimental bird flu vaccine?

Comments

        • +4

          If they moved on happily then why do threads like this exist at all?

        • No such issues for those who chose not to put experimental drugs in themselves & moved on happily with life.

          Says man with 17 anti-vax comments in 24 hours

        • The pro-thinker crowd (what you call pro-vaxer) have moved on from arguing with morons and are enjoying life, not needing to froth at the mouth to feel relevant.

          • -1

            @buckster: Mmmm … this sub-thread started with one of those individuals fanning division and calling names.

            Somehow those individuals you categorize as "enjoying life" are not quite there and have an urge to comeback to throw some fuel into this pit.

    • Now we're just missing all the pro Russians who supported the invasion. They were the majority in a few threads. Maybe they're off being pro Hamas now.

  • +5

    Oh, this again? How fun.

  • +2

    Dumbest part about this entire schmozzle is where were the people saying "if you don't want to have it, don't, and if you want have it, have it".

    These clowns that are heavily invested in either side just look like the biggest donkeys because they can't be comfortable with people making their own decisions.

    If you want to be guilt tripped by the "I've get a responsibility to the community" crap, go right ahead, if you want to run around saying "the vaccine is linked to 5 and 6G" crap, again, go right ahead, but leave the rest of us alone that aren't weak minded enough to submit to any of this bullsh1t.

    For f**ks sake🙄.

  • -2

    PCR tests ruled 97% ineffective and unreliable.
    Only good to justify keeping people locked down and to inflate the number of people died from covid.

    https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news-selections/wor…

    All those conspiracy theories coming true…

    • +3

      CLAIM: “MSM Silent As Court Holds PCR Covid Tests 97% Inaccurate - Unfit for Purpose”
      VERDICT : Inaccurate

      https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/claim-portuguese-cour…

      • +2

        This is the link for the court proceedings

        https://www.oevento.pt/2020/11/16/tribunal-arrasa-eficacia-p…

        • +6

          Its great that you linked that since your first link of a radio show has no references.

          Why would I trust this conspiracy blog though that features articles like:
          'Eurovision is a satanic ritual, not a music show'
          'Holocaust planned for solar eclipse'
          And numerous others on rothschilds, asian secret societies, etc.

          • -2

            @Gehirn: Ok, keep trusting your trusted government approved sources. She'll be right.
            Or do some research and think with your brain.

            • +4

              @Mad Max: Haha we've seen your research! I was gobsmacked when you confidently shared an article written by a Nazi. You proceeded to double down claiming it doesn't matter where you get your sources from.

              • -1

                @youfnc: Ah ok. I thought you may use the nazi escape.
                Nothing to do with safety and thruthness. Only political. As all the pro vaxers mob. My government says it is good and true. And I believe it.
                I have something much better to do now.
                Go get boosted.

                • +3

                  @Mad Max: Good point. When I'm looking for down to earth, no nonsense honest news, I turn to far-right political commentator and convicted felon, Hal Turner. /s

                • @Mad Max: You made me waste my time reading that decision.

                  This was a case of requesting RETURN to detainment for a group of criminals. Authority stupidly tried to appeal their release, in relation to the CRIMINAL proceeding, on the basis of a PCR. Not a public health order or otherwise.

                  Did you even translate and read the decision? Guessing you plucked it from one of tinfoil hat echo chambers.

                  Back up your "PCR tests ruled 97% ineffective and unreliable."

                  Go.

            • +2

              @Mad Max: Alright mate, what are your credentials. Let's hear your highest education level and current occupation.

              • @ThadtheChad: Listen buddy don't make fun of them for not finishing school. It's unkind to their peanut brains

      • +4

        Who checks the fact checkers?

        • +1

          I'd love to see this critic in regards to your own sites that post no references, rely on the accounts of secret societies, and outdated moon landing conspiracies.

      • https://www.who.int/teams/regulation-prequalification/regula…

        "The website of Health Feedback is a member of the WHO-led project Vaccine Safety Net (VSN)."

        Paid fact checkers. They will check fact accordingly…

        • Paid fact checkers yet no mention of being paid.
          https://science.feedback.org/partners-funders-donors/

          The conspiracy deepens right?

          • -1

            @Gehirn: The VSN is run by employees of the WHO. It's not being funded by outside sources.

            https://www.paho.org/en/topics/vaccine-safety/expanding-vacc…

            About the WHO’s Vaccine Safety Net (VSN)
            The WHO’s Vaccine Safety Net (VSN) is a network of websites run by the World Health Organization (WHO)

            • -1

              @infinite: The VSN is run by WHO, the website in question Health Feedback is not, nor funded by them.
              It is made very clear in the links.

              • +1

                @Gehirn:

                The VSN is run by WHO, the website in question Health Feedback is not, nor funded by them.
                It is made very clear in the links.

                Science Feedback has commercial arrangements with Meta & Tiktok. They say it on the page you link to. In the budget section on that page, they got around 2mil euro for 2022. Ashoka Fellowship is the first in that list.

                Here's Ashoka's partners, in the USA: https://www.ashoka.org/en-us/our-partners
                Lots of corporates, including Google, & foundations. They've also been funded to the tune of over $15m back in 2008 by the BMGF: https://www.gatesfoundation.org/about/committed-grants?q=ash…

                So, one can see, even with this cursory examination of one of Science Feedbacks funders, that money is being funneled to these so called "independent fact checking" organisations by a variety of "corporate" sponsors, & that there is a history there.

                • -2

                  @mrdean: And yet they still did not receive money from WHO.

                  Does a fourth person want to chime in and demonstrate their lack of abilities in reading?

                  • @Gehirn:

                    And yet they still did not receive money from WHO.

                    Unless you go through & research the links of all the funders on that Science Feedback list, & then research each "partner" of those funders, & then research the "partners" of those organisation etc, you won't know for sure.

                    What I do know however, is that the BMGF, who did fund Ashoka for a period of time (& may well still be doing so through other avenues) is the biggest private donor to the WHO (which you should know as well by now).

                    So, your claim that the fact checker organisation is free from WHO $$ influence, is rather naive.

                    • -2

                      @mrdean:

                      Unless you go through & research the links of all the funders on that Science Feedback list, & then research each "partner" of those funders, & then research the "partners" of those organisation etc, you won't know for sure.

                      Really seems like something the 'do the research' crowd should be interested in then.

                      • @Gehirn: No, cause we know. It's not our first rodeo.

                        You should be though. But you don't seem interested in knowing.

    • Yeah well still haven't died yet like you all told me I would, over and over, since 2020. Take it back to Twitter mate.

      • +1

        Have you had any post jab health issues develop?

        • Nope

          • @MessyG: Glad to hear it & I hope it continues with any future jabs you have.

            • @mrdean: I'm in healthcare. I've had more vaccinations than I've had shifts finishing on time. No issues at all.

              • @MessyG: That's good. General health ok? Not managing any chronic health conditions?

                • @mrdean: It's fine, like my hundreds of other colleagues. You'd think you'd see an upswing in excess healthcare worker death and disease if this was real but it's business as usual for us.

                  • +1

                    @MessyG: Your answers aren't direct but I expected that. I also expect that if there were health issues, either with yourself or your co-workers, the automatic reaction would be that they would be unrelated to the countermeasures or traditional vaccines. A lot of people never make the connection. Or refuse to.

                    Thanks for replying though, most wouldn't.

                    • @mrdean: I feel like I was direct but try this. My general health is good. I have no chronic health conditions. I take no regular medication. My colleagues are all at work and enjoying their time off. I don't know what else we should be looking for. If there were issues we'd all know about it because healthcare is a big family. People aren't suddenly disappearing or taking time off work. You'd think the workforce would have been decimated with what is being described on here but it just isn't.

                      • @MessyG: Given you are in healthcare, although I have no idea in what role, & you say you have had more vaccines than work shifts, have you ever been sick after a jab, sick enough that you couldn't go to work, took a couple days off? Say within a one week to two week period post vaccination?

                        • @mrdean: Jesus no, the system would fall apart if that happened.

      • Just wait and worry what else may have been in those vaccines that they didn't tell you. The didn't tell much about it anyway, and you still got it.

        • I think it was McCullough who said that if one did not get any sort of reaction at all (no bruise, swelling at injection site) then they were probably ok.

          I know a couple (husband & wife) who seem to confirm this, 2 shots in order to keep their teaching jobs (they both didn't want to do it, put it off til the last available moment), both pfizer, but did not react at all & no observable post jab health issues so far, & it's been a couple of years.

        • Yeah see the difference is I don't think I'm particularly important to their master plan. I'm fine.

    • +2

      I'm not sure your interpretation of 'evidence' is the same as everyone else's.

    • -1

      You know the best thing Elon Musk did in buying Twitter was to make it one nice big echo chamber for you all. Please use it and enjoy it. Go and save souls there, we're all sick of it.

      • -1

        The truth hurts

        • -1

          You've got yourselves a major platform now. Is that still not enough for you?

  • +4

    "One of the most cowardly things ordinary people do is to shut their eyes to facts."

    • +1

      Fantastic quote. Looking forward to the antivaxxers opening their eyes to facts instead of conspiracy BS.

      • +1

        Gotta love the antivaxxer independent group thought process. One of us…

      • It'll never happen

    • "One of the scariest things unintelligent people do is get thier 'facts' from social media."

  • Ah, I shouldn't reply…. but why not. This is insanity. The data is very clear. The anecdotes of issues caused by vaccines hold the same weight as flat Earth theory (which is fine, just don't push your crazy onto others). The data simply doesn't support it.

    There's lots of stuff out there with fake news and made up data, but again, the actual data from real qualified bodies just does not support it.

    So, should medical professionals do what they need to do to get people to stop being sheep and actually consider the evidence to take the best action? Yes. If it's hard and clearly a bad thing, the population will avoid it. If it's good, then they'll go with the flow and shake their fists afterwards…

    OTOH, the more we learn about Covid the more we learn about the risks of the disease. Eg a lot of similar diseases are shown to severely increase the risk of cancer. It's too early to see the data on this, but early indications aren't looking good.

    PS if you don't trust the government and don't want to be a part of the community it fosters, why not just opt out? Go to a region where there is no government and live free. Sure, it's not as nice as living in a place run by a scary government who's out to get you… but you have the choice.

    • You made your comment easy to disregard when you compared actual side effects people were having from vaccines to an actual conspiracy theory of flat earth.

      • +1

        No. Because there is no evidence for flat earth, and there is no evidence for the vast majority of covid vaccines (excl good old astra).

        You can disregard it, but you’re on the same level at flat earthers. Which is fine. Just leave everyone else alone.

        • +3

          There is false info on both sides but most of the studies of harms due to covid point towards the spike protein as the cause of the issues. The same pathogenic spike protein that the vaccines get your body to make throughout the body, organs and brain- hence many vaccine related harms are similar to harms from covid itself which causes major issues for some.
          Here's a collection of over 3500 peer reviewed studies and case reviews of vaccine related harms https://react19.org/science
          If you care to pay attention there are hundreds of top doctors and experts worldwide speaking out about the harms they are seeing- from heart issues to neurological complications, autoimmune and cancers.
          The data from 'real qualified bodies' does support their assertions- TGA and other adverse event databases have skyrocketed in number and excess deaths are through the roof- mostly since the rollout. Adverse reactions to covid vaccines in Australia make up over 20% of all adverse events for ALL other medicines combined since 1971. If the TGA weren't predominantly funded (96%) by pharmaceutical companies they may be singing a different tune.

          • @lando54: Those are all case reports. Do you know about the tiers of evidence quality? Case reports are at the bottom. They make for super scary reading but they at about the same level as anecdotes. The fact that you'll so readily misrepresent information in this way really does speak volumes. If this was occurring at the rate you all claim it does, it would be in NEJM. It is not.

            The dose of spike protein from the vaccine compared to getting covid itself is near-homeopathic.

            The TGA charge pharmaceutical companies to examine their drugs for entry into the Australian market because a government contract (our PBS) is lucrative, and they self-fund that way. They're not the FDA, they don't just wave things through (see Lecanemab).

            But you don't care about facts, you care about distorting them because you believe at a pathological level that you are the chosen ones who know the truth, while all the established (and there are many) groups of hardworking, dedicated, university scientists and healthcare workers who just want to go to work in peace, are wrong.

            So I reckon the flat-earther comparison is pretty darn right.

            • @MessyG:

              Those are all case reports. Do you know about the tiers of evidence quality? Case reports are at the bottoms. They make for super scary reading but they at about the same level as anecdotes

              They are still regarded as "evidence". Skeptics love to pull out the "low quality evidence" card.

              • @mrdean: So are you a skeptic or are you a blind believer then? One minute you call yourselves vaccine-skeptics, the next minute the rest of us are.

                It's not a card, it's a truth. Here is why. The opioid crisis stemmed from a case report that was taken as fact by the medical profession in the eighties (more a letter to the editor, but anecdotal level of evidence only). It is taking us decades to undo that harm. That is why we take evidence quality extremely seriously now. Quality of evidence matters. Case reports exist to steer research - we read them and examine if the same is happening to our patients. If it is, we now have a theory to test, which gets done with larger scale studies, and gets proven or disproven.

                So if you're blindly accepting case reports as facts, then I'll happily be called a skeptic.

                • -1

                  @MessyG:

                  So are you a skeptic or are you a blind believer then? One minute you call yourselves vaccine-skeptics, the next minute the rest of us are.

                  I was referring to the pseudo-skeptics who have blind faith in vaccines. Hence any reports of harms (anecdotes) are dismissed as junk.

                  It is a lovely fantasy that case reports of countermeasure harms are being taken seriously, when there is so much censorship & bias going on in the scientific community.

                  • @mrdean: The beauty of the scientific community is that it is widespread and competitive. If one person is saying one thing, another group are trying desperately hard to prove them wrong because they want to win. It's not some big homogenous borg-like mass. Case reports aren't dismissed as junk - they're just leads, like in a criminal investigation. Not every lead turns out right. Some do. Astra Zeneca vaccine had rare but extremely fatal side effects. Pfizer can cause transient myocarditis/pericarditis. Guillain Barre is a known, rare, side effect for many vaccines. That came from case reports. But don't think that putting together a list of 3500 different case reports counts as consistent evidence because it doesn't.

            • @MessyG: Lol you clearly didn't read through the list because while yes there are many case reports there are also plenty of other cohort studies and systematic reviews of literature from across the world. Yes i know about hierarchy of evidence as I work in health and am involved in research. I completely agree case studies on their own are lower quality evidence but when you have case studies from all over the world showing similar serious side effects that line up with plausible mechanisms ie from the spike protein or mrna platform it adds weight to those stories that shouldn't be written off.
              The TGA did wave through the covid vaccines without stringent testing just like the FDA- the trial data has been shown to be full of issues and the fact that pfizer vials have now been shown to be contaminated with plasmid DNA in significant quantities is a HUGE concern. I know how the funding system to the tga works and its a conflict of interest however you want to paint it.

              Personally I know the harms after my younger sibling died suddenly in the prime of their life following the covid vaccine. Going off history the massive harms will be continued to be denied/ignored for the next few decades to avoid liability then eventually admitted when all those responsible are out of positions of power.

              • +1

                @lando54:

                Personally I know the harms after my younger sibling died suddenly in the prime of their life following the covid vaccine.

                Condolences.

                I know how the funding system to the tga works and its a conflict of interest however you want to paint it.

                Ethical people from the TGA should come forward as whistleblowers.

  • +4

    Ohhhh I've just found this thread. Popcorn night watching the tin hat brigade spout the 'secret information' that 'they know'.

  • +1

    Most people with a brain knew he was full of shit. He never met a camera he didn't like was a quote by someone that has known him for years.

    They only want to trust the science from people they approve and dismissed it from any doctor (which there were many) who had a different opinion based on science.

    • +3

      We live in Australia. He didn't feature here. Why is everyone so obsessed with this American guy?

      • -1

        Not obsessed, just recognise he's the most powerful bureaucrat who essentially controls the grant money for all health research in the USA.

        • What no he doesn't, that's not how research grants work

      • +3

        Because their overlords told them to

      • If you want to participate in the conspiracy circle-jerk, you need to go straight to the drug-riddled, paranoid source. The US of A.

  • +6

    Wow, this thread is full of (profanity) conspiracy nuts.

    • +1

      It sure is. I guess they like bargains too

      • -1

        Quite a few of them actually don't like bargains and have never given a positive vote.

  • +4

    This thread is brought to you by the Dunning-Kruger effect.

  • just here to write that after i got the covid vac, 3 months after ..give or take.. i had a pop in my lower back for sneezing and the disc got herniated. for a completely healthy guy, good weight ,good food,good rest, mid 20s , a sneeze was all it took for a hernia.
    could not make sense of it until i googled back issues after covid vac and found a increase in number of herniation vaccinated vs unvaccinated.
    I am not a pro vac but I do happily accept vaccinations if felt needed and covid vaccination was the only stuff that was pushed with fear and now i am left my whole life wondering what would have happened if i didnt take it,

    • +2

      I started exercising and watching my diet a couple of years ago and am in pretty good shape. But just recently I've started having a sore heel and elbow. Doctors and physios can't cure nor tell me why it suddenly happened… but I just realised… I got a covid booster recently…. it's starting to make sense to me now.

  • +3

    WTF is going on here.

  • +5

    Question medicine and you get called an antivaxxer
    Question climate change propaganda and you are called a denier
    Science is meant to be questioned all the time. As OP mentioned even experts in their field are still learning new things all the time. Question everything and DYOR

    • Yes welcome to being alive, where people give you shit. It doesn't matter what you believe or do in life, there's always someone around to give you grief for it. So knowing that, you might as well do and believe what you want, and at the end of the day be proud of following your own path in spite of naysayers. This is a very basic fact of life I teach my kids.

      You've chosen your path, great, be proud.

  • +4

    There are so many people out there hurting from their own or family vax injuries, sudden death/turbo cancers, autoimmune diseases etc. I know quite a few. The government now has a service to pay funerals for vax deaths: https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/deceased-covid-19-vacci…

    The media is constantly attributing false reasoning. For example ridiculous causes of heart attacks such as being a father. There is no such thing as long covid, it's long vax. Unvaxxed don't have it, and you can be sure the media and Govt would be ramming it at us if they did. The Govt knows who are unvaxxed. They were publishing the hospital stats weekly in NSW but finally stopped, after there were hundreds of hospitalisations for Vaxxed and at the same time Zero for unVaxxed.

    The vial batch toxicity can vary dramatically which explains a lot. It's Russian Roulette. You can look up your own here: https://knollfrank.github.io/HowBadIsMyBatch/HowBadIsMyBatch…

    It's all very sad.

    In any case, it's your choice. You have the right to Boost up !!

    • +3

      If a person doesn't think covid is real, is it any surprise they think long covid or any symptoms due to covid isnt real too.

      All those people suddenly dying/hospitalised before the vax was made must have all been paid by the Gov and big pharma!

      • +1

        All those people suddenly dying/hospitalised before the vax was made must have all been paid by the Gov and big pharma!

        People were definitely hospitalized & died during 2020. Look closer at the treatments they gave those people (or withheld from them) in hospitals. Some of those people survived the protocols, most didn't.

        • Are you saying masses of people went to the hospital first for no reason, while healthy, was given some treatment/ or without treatment from a 'fake virus', then they started having breathing problems/fell ill? What happened in 2019?
          You really do bend the facts to suit your narrative.

          • +1

            @Ughhh: I don't know how you're off on that tangent. It was a nasty strain of coronavirus likely created with gain of function research in biolabs.

            However, their treatment has negative efficacy and horrible short and long term side effects.

            The more doses, the worse outcome. Can't you see? https://ibb.co/Z2RVwgL

            • @trevor99:

              I don't know how you're off on that tangent.

              Because I'm replying to mrdeans comment, not yours.
              I'm just trying to understand mrdeans logic. I'm just as confused as you are.

              He's often claims that covid is fake.
              Blames the excess deaths/hospitalisation on the vax.
              When questioned about the excess deaths prior to the vax, he blames it was due to treatments given/or lack of…..treatment for what, if covid is not real?

              • @Ughhh: Here is a vid discussing the OECD stats from Dr Campbell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7vTqEmlkvw
                There were minimal excess deaths prior to the Vax.

                We also have a large control group - WA.
                That state was locked down and had no covid, but then were Vaxxed, then all hell broke loose.

                • -1

                  @trevor99: Just to be clear, lock down is good as a temporary and long term measure?

                  Careful there, you may have just made mrdeans blood boil even more. Though he might just turn a blind eye to your "anti freedom" as long as you continue being anti Vax.

                  Are you suggesting all those videos of people in hospital (before covid hit Australia) are fake?

                  • -3

                    @Ughhh: A chunk of those videos of panicked people in hospitals turned out to be from movies, TV shows and even video games. Other news shows played edited clips that were decades old.

                    • -1

                      @infinite: Same with the ones with vaccine injuries I guess, or does this only work one way?

          • +1

            @Ughhh:

            Are you saying masses of people went to the hospital first for no reason,

            Duh, no. The went to hospital because they were ill, for a variety of reasons. They had symptoms like shortness of breath, chest pain, & the one that convinced people to go, low oxygen stats via pulse oximeter.

            Once there, the hell really began for some people. There were protocols the hospitals had to follow. Protocols that may have led to a lot of deaths.

            • -1

              @mrdean:

              They had symptoms like shortness of breath, chest pain, & the one that convinced people to go, low oxygen stats via pulse oximeter.

              Due to what? What was the reason for sudden increase of hospitalisation with those respiratory symptoms?

              I think we'll get there eventually, some need more time.

              • +1

                @Ughhh:

                Due to what? What was the reason for sudden increase of hospitalisation with those respiratory symptoms?

                When I listen to accounts, I listen carefully, something you seem to studiously avoid.

                What I do know, is that, because of hospital protocols, people were tested for covid using the test that never was a test, REPEATEDLY, & some were not positive on admission (I suppose depending on the CT level of the tests used, plus some had already been testing at home). Some LATER did become positive. Other posters in this thread have said the same thing.

                Let's not forget, the treatment those who really were "unvaccinated" received in hospital was largely truly deplorable. Remember the perception all over the media how they were selfish, awful people who didn't deserve treatment, but should just be left to die? REMEMBER that? Remember the POTUS saying "we are losing our patience with you" to the unjabbed? Remember Kochie talking about not allowing the unjabbed over for xmas as a reasonable thing to do? Yeah, as if this cultural attitude didn't affect hospital workers having to deal with sick unjabbed people.

                • @mrdean:

                  , I listen carefully

                  You're joking right? Maybe only on things that agree with your narrative. Couldn't be more bias.

                  I'm talking about before Vax and diagnosis for covid. But you keep yapping on about after and going off tangent, avoiding the question.

                  • @Ughhh:

                    I'm talking about before Vax and diagnosis for covid.

                    I listened to many stories from 2020, in the US mainly. And the situation was as I described it.

                    • -1

                      @mrdean: Are you ok? Still avoiding my question. It's a fairly simple one. "I Listen carefully", what a joke.

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                @Ughhh:

                Due to what? What was the reason for sudden increase of hospitalisation with those respiratory symptoms?

                It was caused on paper by AHPRA demanding GP's blindly follow state govt public servants medical advice (despite none of them having GP or medicine experience/qualifications), to tell patients to rush in to hospitals if they had a bit of asthma or a sniffly nose, despite GP's advising AHPRA and state govt health officials there was no medical reason for it.

                Even with that being the case, our hospitals were never at "breaking point" or anything like that, they simply had staff in public hospitals working under actual pressure loads like those in the private system for once and they freaked out about it. They then compounded the issue for themselves by sending staff away for up to 10 days every time they tested positive for Covid, despite most having no symptoms and being fine to continue working. So their "staff shortages" were nothing but self inflicted problems that private hospitals and GP practices had no issue with at the same time. They actually had among the lowest persistent levels of work and staff requirements ever during the Covid years, because the hospitals cancelled regular planned admissions and general/private clinics across the board, having entire floors and wings of hospitals completely unused.

                The end result was that people with actual severe and chronic health issues became sicker or died, while people went in for treatment they didn't need, or actually made them even worse.

      • It was a nasty strain of the flu. That's what coronavirus is, always has been. Thousands of oldies die of the flu each year, and mysteriously none were reported during that year. Think about it.

        The hospital protocol was to administer Remdesivir (nurses call it run death is near), and ventilators. Remdesevir firstly is very expensive, but has a 50% death rate. They used it in Africa and when the results were so bad, they never used it again. Until now. Same with MRNA by the way, they experimented on animals in 2010 and they all died due to immune system suppression.

        The deaths were primarily in people with Vitamin D deficiency. This is the single most important treatment, and was never mentioned.

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          I supposed you could classify being hit by a car as a nasty 'strain' of being punched by a psychopath, since the injuries would be fairly similar. Many people die everyday, why do people get upset about drink drivers.

    • +3

      So the government has taken steps in the face of the very real harms of the AstraZeneca vaccine, and the rare side effects of the Pfizer/Moderna vaccines (pericarditis, myocarditis). If you have a look at the form you need to fill out to claim compensation from the government, it's all there in black and white. They're not hiding anything.

      Secondly, it is a baldfaced lie that unvaccinated people don't get hospitalised for covid. I work in a hospital.

      The safety and risk vs benefit of any vaccine or drug, is a discussion to have with your family doctor. It is fine not to get vaccinated if you feel that the risks are too high for you. For others the benefit far outweighs the risk. That is fine. You don't need to make up lies to justify that, just let people make the right decisions for them ffs.

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