Make It Difficult for People in Their Lives and They Get Vaccinated

During a House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus hearing Monday, Rep. Rich McCormick (R-GA) questioned Dr. Fauci on a statement on vaccine requirements he made during a recorded interview.

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“It’s been proven that when you make it difficult for people in their lives, they lose their ideological bullshit, and they get vaccinated.” Official Quote by Anthony Stephen Fauci

Note: When Fauci says proven, he is clearly referring to the science behind psychological manipulating the public. He says he is a man of science, so people should hold him to that.

Just a few years ago Fauci was crowning himself as the "King of Science". This includes the famous quote where he stated that if you disagree with him, you are disagreeing with science.

It might be your first time hearing these shocking comments by Fauci, but this is him behind the mask.

So what does it mean for Australia?

Undoubtedly these same types of scientific types of people that rise to the top of bureaucratic government positions all over the world. I suspect that this is because most people they grow up in school and they think science is easy. Students just repeat what is in the textbook and they score high marks because they can regurgitate facts and memorise a formula. By the way if you didn't realise, that is not real science and just shows how poorly structured the current educational system is as it emphasises the regurgitation of facts.

People forget the Therapeutic Goods Administration is not an independent organisation. There is nothing special about the people inside that organisation, maybe they learned a few extra years of some topic at university and I hope they at least are at a standard to which they have written a thesis which is basically a long essay on a specialised topic. Some thesis papers are absolutely garbage in my opinion. But most importantly it reveals that these types of people are just ordinary people. They are just government workers to be more specific. They know very little and more critically they especially know nothing about a new pandemic. They know nothing more than the average citizen. Governments should not be given the right to control how people behave in a pandemic.

The problem is this lack of knowledge is not just constrained to scientists, but humans in general. I have met many barristers and solicitors, even former judges. Believe it or not sometimes cannot even recall the facts of a case I mention or recall key legislation in their field of expertise after a bit of uhm and ahing. If you told me if I remembered some facts of an obscure case I would probably tell you, "I am not sure myself, I believe it was something involving some type of snail-like object in the bottle, but I would not commit myself to that". However, you will often notice that because of the immunity granted to bureaucrats that they will not be frank and honest with you about what they don't know. This is why you cannot trust the government.

This is why it is my opinion that the public should focus on replacing government with uncensored artificial intelligence. People should not be scared of it. This is the reality that faces us and I don't see why the public puts so much emphasis on the government to protect its citizens when it is basically not well equipped to do any such thing. For example, the government cannot represent the people properly because the number of representatives does not account for the growth in the population. Even if representation somehow worked at the time when the Constitution was written, it clearly no longer functions as it was intended to. Has the number of senators and representatives increased by 7x in line with population growth? No it has not, representation has gone backwards to a tune of 7x. Even if you believed the government worked for the good of the people, you cannot deny that the representation has been watered down so much. I am not saying that would fix the issues immediately as there are core problems with the existence of government.

If it were a real pandemic then everyone would be clamouring to get vaccinated (provided that vaccine worked and did not have an even higher death rate than the disease it was preventing) and those foolish people who remain unvaccinated, pardon my words, will be left to rely on their natural immunity. I am sure many of the people within the anti-vax movement understand this core principle.

Bill Gates is a kind of famous oracle and he states that another type of pandemic will happen again. Time and time again his predictions/wisdom ironically seems to come true. Apparently the cusp of another Bird Flu Pandemic is here.

Ask yourself: Are you going to make the same choices next time?

Would you honestly take another experimental bird flu vaccine?

Comments

    • either you trust the medical doctors or some tik tokers with undiagnosed schizophrenia. your choice

  • +6

    Only the most uneducated and stupid people I know rejected getting the vaccine and had no issue putting everyone else at risk. Just wait until we get a pandemic that has 100% fatality rate - we are doomed because of these morons. Republicans and the right wing media have a lot to answer for. History will not be kind to them.

    • +1

      100% fatality rate

      So long as it kills its carrier before it spreads very far, seems like Australia might be OK with its geographic isolation.

      But in any case whether you had covid or not there is 100% fatality rate — you will die eventually.

    • Beer, capuccino/latte or vodka martini?

    • -3

      Just wait until we get a pandemic that has 100% fatality rate - we are doomed because of these morons

      No worries, we'll be safe because of all the morons like you that have no hesitation in being guinea pigs 🤣

    • -1

      Except the whole 'putting everyone else at risk' trope was a complete lie. It did nothing to prevent transmission which was the whole premise as to why it apparently had to be mandated. Can you see why people lose trust in the medical establishment now?

      • -1

        No it was not a lie. These morons were galivanting around the countryside with no regard for anyone else and spreading the virus far and wide. How can you possibly be so stupid - are you trolling?

    • -1

      Your statement reeks of pure ignorance, the amount of information currently available on the harms of clotshots and the associated risks and excess mortality is overwhelming. History already is not very kind to the sheeple like you.
      Not a single person ever regretted not taking it. Not taking it despite the pressure and the risk of losing my job is probably the smartest and bravest thing I've done in my life.

      • +3

        Please tell me this is a Quality shitpost and you didn't just use the word sheeple unironically…

        • Help me out to find a better term for a group of people who consumed blatant government propaganda and fear port unthinkingly, and then went ahead and injected themselves with an experimental substance multiple times often motivated by a cheap reward like a free doughnut. Is "euthanasians" a word?

          • +2

            @ldq:

            injected themselves with an experimental substance multiple times

            Because the first and second one didn't work and they still got covid. So they kept going for 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th. I am sure about 6th. Don't know if some got more. But don't worry, the next one will work. And it would have been so much worse without those 6 boosters!

          • @ldq: Tell me what do you think the goal was of the government propaganda?

            • +2

              @MessyG: Ultimately self-interest, political survival. Total compliance was the immediate goal of the propaganda, but compliance was just a means to the end of keeping pollies afloat.

      • +1

        Nice one troll. You can't possibly be this stupid. This is a poor reflection on our education system.

        • +2

          I am fortunate to not have been conditioned by the Australian education system, I guess this is why I do not believe the government, can tell when I hear blatant propaganda lies, and do not have suicidal tendencies.
          Not a single person ever regretted not taking it! <— go ahead and argue with this.

          • @ldq: Why would I argue with that statement? It is a stupid statement that can be applied to anything in life.

          • @ldq:

            Not a single person ever regretted not taking it!

            Do you not consider these people as "people"?

            https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/06/health/coronavirus-virgin…

            https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/christian-…

            What a silly statement to make.

            • +1

              @Ughhh:

              Do you not consider these people as "people"?

              https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/06/health/coronavirus-virgin…

              The article linked to his facebook post around July/Aug that described his hospital experience. It is no wonder the press latched onto the story. After all, it should be obvious it supported the campaign to promote uptake of the countermeasures.

              Travis is a good human. Yes, he was a cheerleader for the countermeasures during 2021. Interestingly during his time in hospital, in his various short video uploads to social media, he mentioned that he'd had no food & was dehydrated for 5 days. Maybe he couldn't stomach food. It's interesting, because I've listened to many stories like that from the unjabbed in hospital, even though they asked for both food & water.

              He had 2 jabs in Nov of 2021, about a month apart. He had symptoms the day after the 1st jab, after the 2nd he mused that " I will admit it seems as if getting the shot has minimized my syptoms."

              He's obese, having rheumatoid athritis since his youth & been in constant pain which was eased by eating. He likes phat pizza, subs & burgers (who doesn't).

              In May & June of 2021 pre his hospitalization with "covid" symptoms, he had surgery; “If you truly know me you have seen a rapid downward slide from me wheel chairs to walkers and massive life changing pain. They are still replacing the knees and hip but i'm so thankful to the point of screaming and tears of joy” He also had a second TKR in Jan of 2022.

              He also appears to have copped "long hauler covid" around Dec 2021.

              Around Jan 2023 he was in hospital again for some sort of a "study for covid".

              During Mar 2023 he posted about being in stage 3 kidney disease, as well as being on ozempic.

              Interesting around May 2023 he posted a friends business in the area he lives which is called Herbal Care Plus Bristol. I assume they have herbal products that allegedly ease "pain".

              Earlier this year, this post from Travis kind of sums it up: “Ptsd sucks, I hate the way it makes me feel. It has changed me and the way I think. Covid sucks”

              He hasn't really cheerleaded for the countermeasures since getting the jabs late 2021. I guess he'll never know what would've happened if he hadn't. The experts here would assure him he'd be worse off, but that is speculation.

  • +4

    2020 called….

  • +2

    I mean didn’t the world brainwash themselves into believing where covid originated without any proof?
    Feels most just mentally bullshat themselves, especially basement troll hiding in there caves

  • +4

    Wow. Is this what it's like taking meth? Felt like someone was high as a kite writing this down and thinking it was a good idea.

  • +10

    Posts like these are a reminder that 50% of people are dumber than the average person.

    • Posts like these are a reminder that 50% of people are dumber than the average person

      Over 90% according to government vaccination rates

      • +15

        Congrats on putting your hand up to help demonstrate their point

      • +1

        One only has to look at certain weekly protests to find the individuals whose IQ is in the double digits. Proudly unvaccinated too probably.

  • +10

    Most people who refuse to vaccinate are the same who:

    • take or have taken all sort of street drugs
    • don't even flinch when taking any kind of pain killers and any sort of medication, they just become susupicious when they hear the word vaccine
    • they don't trust scientific researchers, but are 1000% convinced by and believe blindly some random guy on the internet with no qualifications
    • don't believe in large scale statistics, but put 100% of their trust in anectodal stories

    They are just a bunch of idiots, simple as that really

    • Most people

      What about the remaining people?

      • I guess the remaining people are just the suicidal ones. They consciously choose not to vaccinate even though they know doing so is bad for them. Never met one but I believe they exist

    • +1

      I've found the correlation with your first point to be absolutely fascinating and have seen it time and again.

    • Love the bullshit coming out of your fingers. Like your scientific research for your "most people" statement? Larp!

      • look, here's one ladies and gentlemen ☝️

        • -1

          Look, one of the "most people"… where's your credible source larp?

          • @RocketSwitch: Where exactly did I claim my comment was based on credible scientific research? Oh, I did not.
            Now tell me, you are telling me none of the points I have listed above apply to you sweetheart?

            • @liongalahad:

              Now tell me, you are telling me none of the points I have listed apply to you sweetheart?

              None of the points apply to me, darling.

            • @liongalahad: According to you, "most people" do, I guess you must have used some scientific studies, like you do to make your informed decisions to come to these conclusions right? Right? I'm sure you believe in large-scale stats right? Right? Don't tell me you're assuming like those who refuse to vaccinate? Oh dear!

              • @RocketSwitch: you guess wrong, I do not claim any statistical credibility it's an OzB comment ffs and I am not trying to convince anyone of anything.
                But Im pretty sure I must have hit where it hurts with you though, considering your passion

  • +1

    If the USA had framed their response as a WAR on the CHINA VIRUS in Feb/March 2020 they might have done a lot better than many other places in the world.

    LNP Governments in Australia went kicking and screaming into this approach and as a result it became the SYDNEY VIRUS to many of us in responsibly governed jurisdictions.
    WA, for example, taking a Pro-Life approach minimised covid casualties, with hard borders and restrictions that eased once we could getem corona needle.

    • +1

      Most of WA is far less densely populated than anywhere in Sydney or Melbourne, so hard to draw conclusions there.

    • WA had the same number of Covid cases on a per-capita comparison as everyone else in Australia, but their case load was much higher for much longer compared to everywhere else except Victoria, because they closed down the borders and forced extensive periods of lockdowns well after the rest of the country had moved on with life already.

      • Case fatality rate was half the national average in WA

        • +2

          The person you're replying to actually was correct. WA had higher cases per 100 people than both Sydney and Victoria.
          https://covidlive.com.au/report/cases-per-population

          Realistically WA is quite isolated already though so it's unlikely their stance was anything above and beyond any other state. If they were on the East Coast they'd have the same if not worse results as the others.

        • Thanks, the link you provided clearly shows the data to prove I was correct.

          WA had higher cases per 100 people than other states, exactly as I just stated.

  • +10

    For those who don't wish to comply with future vaccine mandates, there is only one option - become financially independent.

    I did not need to comply with the Covid vaccine mandates because I made sure to accomplish this goal.

    I was fully prepared and able to lose my job but ironically possessed skills and knowledge that my employer was not willing to throw away for my non-compliance, thus the rules were broken for me.

    Become valuable to society and most importantly, rich - your freedom (and possibly health) depends on it.

    • +6

      Well done.
      Or become a politician or a member of the judiciary. They thought that vaccines were so safe that they exempted themselves from the mandate! They make the laws!

      • +2

        Thanks! Yeah the moment I saw the 'important people' exemption and that immunity from legal liability was granted to the pharma companies I knew I had to withhold my consent.

    • +2

      Or just work for the government / media. You had total exemptions to the jab and to travel as you pleased if you worked in those fields.

      Doctors had no requirement to get jabbed either, nor did most contractors of other types.

      • I get what you're saying, but I would never work for one of the three institutions I despise most (the third one is universities).

    • -1

      Oops. You caught covid though and you died because you didn't get the free vaccine.

      Looks like money doesn't solve stupidity in the end. :(

  • +3

    With the amount of unknowns of a new virus and initial data that was made available, I bet that an AI controlled government would have made the same decision about lockdowns and vaccinations.

  • This is like BBQ bragging rights.

    There is always one guy who brings up they call "this" then they change topic onto something else like they are so kind of expert on the other topic now.

  • +1

    I am dying to hear more about how an uncensored AI controlled government would work.

  • +1

    i saw principal skinners baby and he looked at me

  • +2

    Excess mortality across countries in the Western World since the COVID-19 pandemic: ‘Our World in Data’ estimates of January 2020 to December 2022
    https://bmjpublichealth.bmj.com/content/2/1/e000282

    Mostert et al, BMJ, important on several fronts:
    1) for COVID-19 pandemic deniers, there were excess deaths in 2020 with SARS-CoV-2 infection

    2) for vaccine promoters, there was no reduction in death with mass, indiscriminate COVID-19 vaccination. Just the opposite occurred.

    In conclusion, excess mortality has remained high in the Western World for three consecutive years, despite the implementation of COVID-19 containment measures and COVID-19 vaccines. This is unprecedented and raises serious concerns. During the pandemic, it was emphasised by politicians and the media on a daily basis that every COVID-19 death mattered and every life deserved protection through containment measures and COVID-19 vaccines. In the aftermath of the pandemic, the same morale should apply. Every death needs to be acknowledged and accounted for, irrespective of its origin. Transparency towards potential lethal drivers is warranted. Cause-specific mortality data therefore need to be made available to allow more detailed, direct and robust analyses to determine the underlying contributors. Postmortem examinations need to be facilitated to allot the exact reason for death. Government leaders and policymakers need to thoroughly investigate underlying causes of persistent excess mortality and evaluate their health crisis policies.

  • He who controls the AI wins !

  • +8

    Huh, I thought all of the cookers had moved on to cloud conspiracies now…

    • +2

      Should tell them the government has found a way to transmit COVID vaccine over the internet.

  • +5

    I had 4 vaccines first was the so called dreaded AZ……. perfectly fine…… Have not had COVID yet……..either lucky or one of those that cant catch it….

    I enjoyed the 2 yrs working from home indeed….. but back to the grindstone.

    Vaccines save lives, of course some people will have side effects that is just natural in the gene pool, same as medicines you take.

    There is no need to go down the rabbit hole with the OP.

  • +1

    Whoa…time to disconnect from watching excessive YouTube videos and step outside into the fresh air of the real world.

  • +2

    Hey OP. Sounds like you must be a doctor or at least have some medical background. I'd love to know where you studied and what field do you practice in now?

    Yes, I'll wait :)

  • +1

    Doesn't this apply to everything? Tell people they have to do their taxes or they'll go to prison, and they'll do their taxes. Tell people they'll be arrested if they drive without a licence, and they'll get their licence. Give people the option to work or starve to death and they'll choose to work.

    OP reckons he's come across some shocking revelation, when it's just a regular (and common) occurence in society.

    FYI Dr Fauci has never called himself the "King of Science". I had a look on Google. The top result came back with somebody calling Fauci the King of Science. The second result was this post. I'm not a Fauci expert but I've read, watched and listened to enough to know that he wouldn't call himself such a ridiculous thing.

    Here's an excerpt from the quote highlighted by OP, which I think provides important context - especially that Fauci is not endorsing making people's lives difficult to force them into getting vaccinated:

    Rep. McCormick: “You said in an interview that you gave us part of an audio book, written by Michael Specter, that you believed an institution should make it hard for people to live their lives so they’d feel pressured to get vaccinated. Can we run the audio clip on that, please?”

    Clip of Dr. Fauci, Summer 2021: “I have to say that I don’t see a big solution, other than some sort of mandatory vaccination. I know federal officials don’t like to use that term. Once people feel empowered and protected legally, you’re going to have schools, universities, and colleges are going to say, ‘you want to come to this college buddy, you’re going to get vaccinated. Lady, you’re going to get vaccinated.’ Yeah, big corporations, like Amazon and Facebook and all of those others, are going to say ‘you want to work for us, you get vaccinated.’ And it’s been proven that when you make it difficult for people in their lives, they lose their ideological bullshit and they get vaccinated.”

    Rep. McCormick: “Thank you. Are all objections to COVID vaccinations ideological bullshit, Dr. Fauci?”

    Dr. Fauci: “No, they’re not. And that’s not what I was referring to.”

    • +1

      paying tax or sitting a driving test does not require an injection that is safe and effective ,

    • Here's an excerpt from the quote highlighted by OP, which I think provides important context - especially that Fauci is not endorsing making people's lives difficult to force them into getting vaccinated:

      Amazing you interpret it that way, when what Fauci says is the very definition of a endorsement, which he then flips on. What a mind stir.

      But I appreciate you putting the full quote there.

      • I've tried to find a free download of the audiobook it's quoted from but, alas, none seem available.

        But I would contend that Fauci wasn't clearly arguing for mandatory vaccination to clear out "ideological bullshit". He was explaining the only way the issues of vaccine hesitancy could be cleared up, theoretically, is to force people into taking them. That is a fact. There will always be portions of the community who are hesitant - and they will only take it through coercion. Him explaining that is not the same as him endorsing that. One could argue there is no big solutoin, other than banning cars outright, to get the road fatality toll down to zero. That's probably true - but it doesn't mean I agree that's what we should do.

        Unfortunately I'm not convinced any of us will be confident we know exactly what he meant unless somebody takes the time to listen through the audiobook (Fauci by Michael Specter, if you're interested). There's too many people on the House Oversight select subcommittee on the coronavirus pandemic who can be relied upon to distort the truth to fit their conspiratorial narrative, for them to be believed without concrete evidence to back their claims up.

        • Unfortunately I'm not convinced any of us will be confident we know exactly what he meant

          Seems like a no brainer to have asked him what he meant during the congressional hearing.

          I don't agree it isn't what he meant because of the simple fact that he could have chosen not to use "ideological bullshit", he could of framed it in a much more different way. But he didn't. He wasn't able to withhold his worldview, it came to the fore.

          • @mrdean:

            Seems like a no brainer to have asked him what he meant during the congressional hearing.

            I agree. That the congressman didn't give him that opportunity to makes me suspect and frustrated in equal measure.

            I don't agree it isn't what he meant because of the simple fact that he could have chosen not to use "ideological bullshit", he could of framed it in a much more different way. But he didn't. He wasn't able to withhold his worldview, it came to the fore.

            Maybe. As I say, until we can get a copy of the audiobook it can't be certain. He did imply it's a misrepresentation of his meaning, though - and that would be risky to do when the interview is publicly available (for those willing to pay).

            • @RolandWaites: I've listened carefully to a lot of Fauci's interviews over the years. He is, like most high profile government people, very careful with the language he uses & how he frames arguments.

              I doubt listening to the whole audiobook would make things any clearer.

              • @mrdean: You may be right. But as I say, until we have that primary source we don't know. It would only require five minutes either side of the specific quote to get the idea about what he meant, not the whole book.

                He said that isn't what he was implying for a reason. I'm curious as to what that reason is.

  • +10

    Imagine being one of these people ostracised from their friend groups, other websites, etc. so now you resort to posting your ramblings on a bargain forum.

  • +1

    What would a governing AI do if a pandemic happened?

    AIs only output from the data they are trained on. IE the medical data and modelling plans for pandemics, which are all created by government departments.

    Which means the AI would have issued the same things that our current government did. Masks, closed borders, lockdowns and jabs.

    • -1

      https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2022…

      IC3: Mask wearing by symptomatic individuals in the community - This measure may be considered by individuals when the disease has a high clinical severity - effectiveness - NO EVIDENCE (pg 124)
      B10: Voluntary isolation of ill travellers not requiring hospitalisation - not recommended - effectiveness minor (pg 139)
      B7: Thermal scanners - not recommended - effectiveness minor (pg 136)
      B9: Screening of passengers on cruise ships prior to disembarkation, where there is evidence
      of cases of influenza on board - Not recommended unless there is evidence of high clinical severity - effectiveness minor (pg 138)
      B10: Voluntary isolation of ill travellers not requiring hospitalisation - On its own, it is unlikely to have a high impact on reducing transmission due to limitations in identifying cases. - effectiveness minor (pg 139)
      B13: Internal travel restrictions (restriction of travel across state or territory borders, or within certain areas of a state or territory, either to protect remote communities or to isolate areas with higher rates of exposure) - not recommended - effectiveness minor - danger of societal function disruption (food & fuel) (pg 140)

      There's more, but I think people can get the drift. It all went out the window didn't it. Maybe AI would of done the right thing!

      • +3

        Always good to just take snippets from reports and only use the bits that align with your view as definitive evidence.
        Its like reading a news headline and reposting it on facebook that you agree.

        Using just your first as an example.
        Not worth elaborating on the rest but others can easily read the 200+ doco to show that people with actual scientific and medical knowledge that compiled the document likely came to conclusions that don't align with yours

        IC3
        left out context in your summary like
        Effectiveness: The evidence highlights that incorrect technique for wearing PPE is common. Mask wearing in the community is unlikely to affect
        overall attack rates from a pandemic unless disease transmissibility is low, compliance with the measure by the majority of the
        population is high, and the measure is used in association with other pandemic mitigation strategies.

        i.e. its effectiveness increases with larger compliance, and wearing them properly

        Benefits: This measure may reduce the exposure of individuals’ household and family members to infection. It can be started
        quickly and without specific knowledge of the respiratory agent. It may reduce transmission.

        i.e. assist in reducing exposure

        Timing: There is a case for wider use of masks early in the pandemic, when the clinical severity of the disease may not be well known. Early
        application offers the greatest opportunity to reduce transmission, although benefits would continue throughout the pandemic

        etc etc etc

        • +2

          Yup. It's like saying the brakes in the car don't work because I don't want to or know how to put my foot on it.

          Or algebra doesn't exist because i don't understand it.

          🤯🤯

      • Hi, what is the name of this document?

        • Australian Health Management Plan for Pandemic Influenza
          August 2019

          • +4

            @SBOB: Wow with a title like that its almost as if its not the Plan for Novel Coronavirus.

      • These are Influenza pandemic measures. Unless the disease/virus behaves like Influenza, the above is pretty much irrelevant.

        • -1

          Yeah, bits of rna & dna in a protein coating have totally different personalities.

          • +2

            @mrdean:

            bits of rna & dna in a protein coating have totally different personalities.

            exactly, its all the same
            which is why we treat Ebola the same as influenza.
            right…

            • -1

              @SBOB:

              right…

              Clever little devils aren't they?

              Might want to reassess the foundational assumptions underlying the so called science of virology. Got the time? lol.

  • +6

    After reading these comments it looks obvious to me that many "OZ Bargainers" took the C-19 vaccines just because they were free ! Didn't want to miss a bargain !
    The main side effect seems to be that they refuse to accept any opinion that differs from theirs !
    Remember that the science is never settled and you must continue to research. Many on here probably think Formaldehyde is safe .

    • +6

      Many on here probably think Formaldehyde is safe .

      Hope so.
      Its in your exhaled breath, and your body produces about 40mL of it a day.

      This is a prime example of why we don't take scientific advice from ozb forums, and where actual scientific details such as quantities or concentrations make a difference rather than just scary chemical names;)

      • -1

        Yet you continue to give out scientific advice on OzB. And you are correct in this case, as I meant to say Thalidomide for morning sickness . It's a good example of the experts getting it wrong. I fear that the covid vax will be many many times worse than that !

        • +1

          Yet you continue to give out scientific advice on OzB

          link to scientific advice i'm handing out?

        • +1

          Science is fallible which is great. It means we adapt to things as we learn more.

          So far the science on vaccines is well-established and the effects of covid are far worse than anything the vaccine does.

          So if you're a man of science you'd be happy to take the covid vaccine. Unless you're just pretending to be scientific of course to run an anti-vaccine rhetoric. :)

    • -4

      Many on here probably think Formaldehyde is safe .

      It's because they've probably come across so called debunking articles like this: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/toxic-myths-about-vaccines/

      Where they dismiss it mainly because of "the dose makes the poison" argument.

      edit - lol. case in point, SBOB above.

      • +3

        thanks.
        I consider you also another prime example of why we don't take scientific advice from ozb forums :)

        • Lol, no just unelected global leaders like Tedros, Bill, George's son & many others. And when real experts produce good "science" as in the Pandemic Influenza Response Plan, it gets………………….ignored…………..because……………….it's a catastrophe………………..must do something………………

          • @mrdean:

            must do something………………

            You mean make a lot of money selling vaccines that don't work, even if they may harm people?

            • -1

              @Mad Max: Strange as it may sound, I don't think profit was the main objective. It was to get as many people on the planet injected as possible. Why? I'm not sure.

              • @mrdean:

                Why?

                Reinforce practical knowledge of known human herd mentality.

              • +1

                @mrdean: It sure involved huge amounts of money. People did not even know because all they knew is that vaccines were "free". But governments all over the world transfered billions to pharmaceutical companies. All "commercial in confidence" of course.
                Only time will tell if there was a more sinister reason.

                • +1

                  @Mad Max: Yes for sure, there was a huge transfer of wealth into private hands, not just in the pharmaceutical sector.

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