Make It Difficult for People in Their Lives and They Get Vaccinated

During a House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus hearing Monday, Rep. Rich McCormick (R-GA) questioned Dr. Fauci on a statement on vaccine requirements he made during a recorded interview.

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“It’s been proven that when you make it difficult for people in their lives, they lose their ideological bullshit, and they get vaccinated.” Official Quote by Anthony Stephen Fauci

Note: When Fauci says proven, he is clearly referring to the science behind psychological manipulating the public. He says he is a man of science, so people should hold him to that.

Just a few years ago Fauci was crowning himself as the "King of Science". This includes the famous quote where he stated that if you disagree with him, you are disagreeing with science.

It might be your first time hearing these shocking comments by Fauci, but this is him behind the mask.

So what does it mean for Australia?

Undoubtedly these same types of scientific types of people that rise to the top of bureaucratic government positions all over the world. I suspect that this is because most people they grow up in school and they think science is easy. Students just repeat what is in the textbook and they score high marks because they can regurgitate facts and memorise a formula. By the way if you didn't realise, that is not real science and just shows how poorly structured the current educational system is as it emphasises the regurgitation of facts.

People forget the Therapeutic Goods Administration is not an independent organisation. There is nothing special about the people inside that organisation, maybe they learned a few extra years of some topic at university and I hope they at least are at a standard to which they have written a thesis which is basically a long essay on a specialised topic. Some thesis papers are absolutely garbage in my opinion. But most importantly it reveals that these types of people are just ordinary people. They are just government workers to be more specific. They know very little and more critically they especially know nothing about a new pandemic. They know nothing more than the average citizen. Governments should not be given the right to control how people behave in a pandemic.

The problem is this lack of knowledge is not just constrained to scientists, but humans in general. I have met many barristers and solicitors, even former judges. Believe it or not sometimes cannot even recall the facts of a case I mention or recall key legislation in their field of expertise after a bit of uhm and ahing. If you told me if I remembered some facts of an obscure case I would probably tell you, "I am not sure myself, I believe it was something involving some type of snail-like object in the bottle, but I would not commit myself to that". However, you will often notice that because of the immunity granted to bureaucrats that they will not be frank and honest with you about what they don't know. This is why you cannot trust the government.

This is why it is my opinion that the public should focus on replacing government with uncensored artificial intelligence. People should not be scared of it. This is the reality that faces us and I don't see why the public puts so much emphasis on the government to protect its citizens when it is basically not well equipped to do any such thing. For example, the government cannot represent the people properly because the number of representatives does not account for the growth in the population. Even if representation somehow worked at the time when the Constitution was written, it clearly no longer functions as it was intended to. Has the number of senators and representatives increased by 7x in line with population growth? No it has not, representation has gone backwards to a tune of 7x. Even if you believed the government worked for the good of the people, you cannot deny that the representation has been watered down so much. I am not saying that would fix the issues immediately as there are core problems with the existence of government.

If it were a real pandemic then everyone would be clamouring to get vaccinated (provided that vaccine worked and did not have an even higher death rate than the disease it was preventing) and those foolish people who remain unvaccinated, pardon my words, will be left to rely on their natural immunity. I am sure many of the people within the anti-vax movement understand this core principle.

Bill Gates is a kind of famous oracle and he states that another type of pandemic will happen again. Time and time again his predictions/wisdom ironically seems to come true. Apparently the cusp of another Bird Flu Pandemic is here.

Ask yourself: Are you going to make the same choices next time?

Would you honestly take another experimental bird flu vaccine?

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      • +1

        @DashCam AKA Rolts:Good on you mate, now you can upload all your videos to Dashcam owners Australia at 5G speeds😂😂😂😂😂

    • +1

      I got told I was going to drop dead so many times and yet here I still am…

    • +4

      anti vaxxers still trying to be relevant.

      All of us who did not get booster injections,
      are classified as "anti-va**ers" too.

    • +2

      The scaremongering about COVID was also total bullshit….

      I'm not afraid of either but it pissed me off to have to get the vaccine to travel or go to the pub. The government overreacted and overreached and we should be telling them where to stick it

  • +36

    Jesus H Christ and the wee donkey, how on earth do these denier nutjobs survive in life? This is why people like Trump succeed, because fools believe and live conspiracies and take 2 words from a credible scientist and use that against all the other 1826 words that were spoken by them. Selective reading/hearing. I totally despise idiots who refuse to believe facts.

    • +9

      I do feel bad for the people that have experienced ongoing side effects (one of my parents included) but it's than being dead.

      • +3

        Sorry to hear that. If I may ask, what are they experiencing, & did they report it to the TGA/DAEN?

        Also, do you feel bad for the people that didn't want to take the medical countermeasure, but did so in order not to lose their job?

        • +2

          I assume it was reported correctly. There was some chest discomfort and some heart stuff and constant follow ups with the doctor. Symptoms have subsided.

          Also, do you feel bad for the people that didn't want to take the medical countermeasure, but did so in order not to lose their job?

          Nope, not really. It's for the greater good, we live in a society. I know some people with long covid and one of them used up all their leave and was given the boot.

          • -1

            @Caped Baldy: Thanks for the reply.

            Doctors don't usually admit the medical countermeasures were the cause of any post injection side effects. The usual explanation is either a coincidence, or the symptoms were a result of a recent infection. ie a case of "covid", or age related.

            Yeah, the greater good is an argument that is often repeated.

    • +4
  • +13

    Hard to believe anyone is dumb enough to not get the vaccine, especially if it'll cost them their job. Your ancestors got the Spanish Flu vaccine, the Russian Flu vaccine, all those viruses that killed millions and the vaccines saved your ancestors so you could eventually be born. Your great great grandparents wore masks during those pandemics, they didn't complain. Well some of them did complain, but it worked, they stopped the spread, the vaccine cured the disease. Cookers would still see us have polio I reckon if they had their way.

    • +2

      but it worked, they stopped the spread, the vaccine cured the disease.

      Dude, how could that be the case, when Fauci himself co-authored this:

      https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/15335931/redir

      • +4

        This is like you expecting Windows 95 to be able run 2024 programs and protect you from malware etc, and all computers are the same….

        • +1

          …..linux.

      • +4

        This is the problem with the antivaxers. They are literally too ignorant to understand the topic they spend so much time researching.

        How do you read that and conclude "if you understand what they are really saying, that it has been a FAILURE."

        There is absolutely nothing alarming or concerning about the fact that vaccines don't provide enduring protection against respiratory illness, while they reduce death and hospitalisation. Noone who isn't brainwashed would interpret these facts as "a failure".

        We saw it already with the apparently slam dunk "with COVID not from COVID", as if it's a great revelation that a disease kills the weak first. A complete inability to apply logical thinking.

        What is concerning is how many people are unable to think in the modern era. Their continued bad takes set back any possible progress on personal freedoms, in the same way that Pauline Hanson being the champion against immigration has made any progress on the issue impossible for decades. Well done for being the stereotype "useful idiots".

        • There is absolutely nothing alarming or concerning about the fact that vaccines don't provide enduring protection against respiratory illness, while they reduce death and hospitalisation. Noone who isn't brainwashed would interpret these facts as "a failure".

          "Durably protective vaccines against non-systemic mucosal respiratory viruses with high mortality rates have thus far eluded vaccine development efforts."

          See how they trick you with careful language?

    • +2

      I got the vaccine and have had no problems but I do think it should have been voluntary. Maybe restrict access to government payments etc if you didn’t get it but forcing people to get it is not what governments should be doing

      • Thanks for the sane comment.

      • +2

        Who was forced to get it? In the same way people are "forced" to wear clothes if they want to keep their job in a nursing home? Nobody is stopping them from being nude at their home all day every day.

        • +3

          Who was forced to get it?

          Everyone who didn't want it.

        • +6

          Employers were mandated to have employees working for them to be double vaccinated to continue working for them.

          We can argue about whether that’s forcing people, but taking jobs away from people is akin to being forced.

          • -1

            @Dollar General: Not really, plenty of people quit their jobs over their conspiracy theories. Mostly boomers who were close to retirement age anyway I bet.

            • +2

              @AustriaBargain: What's your line in the sand? Can you think of anything the government would coerce you to inject for your protection & safety & for the community, that would make you say no? Do you even have a line in the sand? Or you just go with whatever you are told?

              • @mrdean: Give me some examples of injectable things and I'll tell you whether I'd get it done to me, or approve of it being rolled out like vaccines, or not.

      • I don't recall it ever becoming mandatory. I recall being ID'd at bars, and some requirements to work from home. I don't recall an out-right ban.

        • +1

          You were required to provide employers with proof. I had colleagues that were let go cause they didn’t provide required documents

    • Is this parody?

      • I dunno. Your reply is on page 2 and my comment you replied to is on page 1, so I can't remember what I wrote.

  • +6

    Proof some sites do have ‘em.

    • I love these threads…right after the job ad one too. chefs kiss

  • +4

    Any tip for Origin try scorer/s tonight?

  • +16

    Do you also believe that the earth is flat?

    • +14

      Hey The Flat Earth Society has members all over the globe!

    • +7

      Can I blow your mind for a minute?

      My mum's friend, Gary was over and I was playing with his record collection. He knocked me right into the mini fridge but when I came up I was holding one of the records. The shape of the record? Flat. Guess what record it was? The biggest band in 1971…. Earth Wind and Fire! And what was their album cover? A pyramid - the symbol of the illuminati. And who's the drummer for Earth Wind and Fire? John Paris. What group is from Paris? The Templars.

      And when did the pope kill them? Friday the 13th. Who's the bad guy in Friday the 13th? Freddie Krueger. Who played Freddie Krueger? Robert Englund. What do you call an apartment in England? A flat. Who lives in an apartment in England? What satanist? Harry Potter. And what month did he go to school to become a Satanist? September. Who had the biggest hit called September? Earth Wind and Fire!

      And where's my mum's friend Gary now? Living in Mt Druitt.

      Flat earthers!

  • +4

    AstraZeneca Poo vaccine

    Flogged it here cos CSL was making it. Let's see LNP MPs holdings of CSL in 2019-2021

  • +4

    Conspiracy nutjob alert!!

    I agree that it is impossible to reason with stupid people using logic.

  • +8

    im not reading all that.
    im happy for you though.
    or sad that happened. idk

  • +15

    What I find about the sovcit crowd is that they all hate government intrusion into their life but are more than willing to receive government handouts like the dole, attend government hospitals for medical care (AS LONG AS IT'S NOT THE VACCINE) and get PBS rebates on scripts.

    • -1

      Where are you Muzeeb?

      • +1

        I am here and I'm convinced that as this thread gets bigger that the of original thread was posted from your alt account.

        • +1

          I already went through this before with the whole SlavOz alt thingy. It's tiresome. I'm not a government agent or intelligence operative or info/disinfo/cyberwarfare soldier. Are you?

          • +4

            @mrdean: I believe in aliens Alienware monitors.

            • @MS Paint: Government agents never give a straight answer.

    • +1

      Even Ayn Rand had to take the American equivalent of the aged pension in her elderly years because she'd be homeless otherwise. She had her assistant fill out the application form.

      • -1

        It's never sat right with me, getting handouts from the government. At least the way the system is currently designed because I see the obligation aspect of it as easily abused. I know people who are on various benefits & they've noticed how the government have gamified the system, points/credit score like etc. And it's not like it happens only at the individual level either, businesses & whole industries get "support", but they too have obligations.

        If the government was populated by truly ethical, moral & human humans, then maybe.

        • -1

          Government is corrupt af. But not as corrupt as most other world governments. In India if a cop rapes you, then it's basically tough luck. In Australia there's a good chance of accountability, especially if you can afford a lawyer.

          If someone on benefits seems like they are gaming the system to avoid work, I'd bet most people in that situation wish they could have even a minimum wage job. But their situation and mental health and whatever else is a barrier. Maybe they don't want to open up to you about their feelings and barriers, maybe it feels more noble to seem like they are gaming the system. The country as a whole created the situation they are in at the end of the day. If we wanted to then 50 years ago we could have worked towards a system like in Norway where everyone has great mental health and support and stuff. Despite the corruption and ineptitude of the government, it's still our government, this is our country. We shouldn't leave someone behind over a few hundred bucks a week that is going directly into the economy anyway.

          • -1

            @AustriaBargain: Unfortunately, it isn't our government, or our country. Things could be different no doubt, but that only comes after the realisation that the government isn't corrupt because of ineptitude, it's by design.

            There's a quote from James Fenimore Cooper in the early 19th century that applies even more now than back then:

            “Whenever the government of the United States shall break up, it will probably be in consequence of a false direction having been given to public opinion. This is the weak point of our defenses, and the part to which the enemies of the system will direct all their attacks. Opinion can be so perverted as to cause the false to seem true; the enemy, a friend, and the friend, an enemy; the best interests of the nation to appear insignificant, and the trifles of moment; in a word, the right the wrong, the wrong the right. In a country where opinion has sway, to seize upon it, is to seize upon power. As it is a rule of humanity that the upright and well-intentioned are comparatively passive, while the designing, dishonest, and selfish are the most untiring in their efforts, the danger of public opinion’s getting a false direction is four-fold, since few men think for themselves.”

            It's from this book: https://jfcoopersociety.org/content/resources/pdfs/americand…

            • @mrdean: Yeah maybe that's right. The concept of a hive mind or mass hysteria, or people just generally being easy to manipulate if you know how and know the right people, that's a different matter entirely compared to whether handouts and such make sense. I think it's not directly related to corruption either, other than explaining how it works maybe. You can make a system that is more immune to corruption though. You can make people act generally more honest, if you cared to do that and had money and time.

              The benefits too I think is a lot more complex than just a black and white thing. A country isn't your home budget and the way a country spends money isn't like a parent checking what their kids spend pocket money on. Handouts may or may not lead to people choosing it instead of working, but the ethics or morality of that really don't matter. Maybe the money spent policing the honesty of the people on benefits would cost more than the money that could be saved by doing it. Maybe the reality is some of those people wouldn't or couldn't work even if benefits didn't exist, and they literally need it to survive. Maybe it all pays for itself in economic benefit because long term it gives everyone autonomy and lowers their stress and who knows how many other factors that could make easy benefits a real money maker decades from now, or even right now, compared to no benefits.

              Reality should always be important to consider. If you claim you hate seeing money wasted on easy benefits, then what would you say if it paid for itself. Or that it saved lives. Lowers crime. Decreases domestic violence. If you could know everything somehow and could see that it is great value in terms of policy outcomes, like you'd have to have rocks in your head to not do it because it'll literally save you money in other areas, then would that change your feelings about money being wasted on a bludger.

              Even the mining corporation port, we give away our resources for 15% instead of 70% like Norway. Boneheaded move, but there must be some reason we do it that isn't completely explained by corruption or ineptitude. Maybe we are getting like 3% of the mineral value back in some other way, so it's actually 18% instead of 70%. Maybe the only way to get the US to spend billions on positioning of extending some anti-nuke capability over Australia was to give away billions in mineral values to American corporations, or whatever. Like who knows. I'm sure Albanese doesn't sit at his desk and open excel and think about running the country like we do our households. There's a whole real world out there and our households are like little windowless bubbles.

        • If the government was populated by truly ethical, moral & human humans, then maybe.

          That isn't going to happen. So logically we need governance structures and laws that make corruption more difficult.

          The solution we often see promoted is the exact opposite, that we need to have a 'small government' so that we can all live under feudalism at the whims of the wealthy freedom!

          • @greatlamp:

            So logically we need governance structures and laws that make corruption more difficult.

            The governance/laws are being passed at an increasingly fast pace, & they are designed to destroy what's left of western civilization by extracting wealth upwards & hollowing out any sort of resilience or independence of people, making them defacto dependent on government/corporate support. This is end game control & full spectrum dominance.

            • +1

              @mrdean: This is what happens when government 'partners' with industry and seeks their input in draft legislation, without seeking any input from consumer representatives/unions etc.

              Defunding or abolishing regulatory agencies doesn't fix this, it removes any possibility of fixing the issue. The 'government' is the only difference between feudalism and a free society.

              • @greatlamp:

                Defunding or abolishing regulatory agencies doesn't fix this, it removes any possibility of fixing the issue. The 'government' is the only difference between feudalism and a free society.

                So, in your view, what fixes this?

                By the way, I agree government "partnerships" with industry are a major problem. The corporates are basically controlling governments at this stage of the game.

                • @mrdean: In Germany there is a requirement that in large companies, a certain number of employee representatives have seats on the board.

                  Extending that idea, there could be a requirement that consumer organisations must be consulted during development of legislation or major changes in funding.

                  For example, currently the Community Pharmacy Agreement that determines the level of funding Pharmacy owners receive is workshoped between the Department of Health and the Pharmacy Guild - representing the owners of Pharmacies. The general public has no voice in this process. The Union representing employee Pharmacists is not even invited into this process, even though it directly affects them. As a result all new health care initiatives delivered through Pharmacies are paid directly to the pharmacy owner, even though they must be delivered by a health professional.

                  The solution isn't to dissolve the Department of Health and let the Pharmacy industry regulate itself. That's what 'small government' means.

                  • @greatlamp: A step in the right direction, but I'm skeptical because I've seen it before. And I've seen how these consumer representatives or employee representative are basically put there as a token sign of inclusiveness. Others know they don't have the ability to influence the direction a corp/govt dept goes.

                    • @mrdean: It would be as effective as 'the voice' that failed the referendum. It's not a cure, but transparency is better than not even trying.

                      The libertarian philosophy does not work in a world where most industries are controlled by giant corporations, it only works when the market power is relatively evenly distributed and competition works.

                      • @greatlamp: Agree about transparency, but when a govt/corp is full of people who see the world the same way (UN SDG & all that entails), & corporations basically create policy that EXCLUDES real market competition, we only have the pretense of a fair system.

    • +2

      I thought Donald Trump ruled the US at that time…

  • +3

    TLDR please?

    • +21

      Crazy be crazy

      • +3

        The thing about crazy people is that they don't know that they're crazy. That's what makes them crazy.

    • +1

      American election cycle letting all the Qs out again.

  • +1

    I have an appointment in an hour or two for my next regular covid shot.

    Just saying….

  • +12

    Damn, did they have a special on tin foil hats again and I missed out? I tore my last one when I put it on to inspect my smart meter and I need a new one…

    I only got to the first “Dr Fauci” and just wrote the rest off and mindless garbage.

    Can’t wait for you “Trump is innocent” post. Should be a riveting read…

    • +3

      This shit's gonna ramp up as the Americans lurch closer to their election/revolution/space lasers

  • +2

    I’m unsubscribing to this forum. Fortunately the Covid antivaxxer nutjobs have no effect on my life anymore. People have enough information out there to see the reality. They just need to stick with reliable sources and don’t go down the rabbit hole. Step back and engage your brains.

    • +5

      Announcing departures is so 2010.

  • +3

    Trust your government and you will live a prosperous and healthy life.
    They will look after you!

  • +8

    OzConsipiracy.

    It's mid 2024, why are we talking about this?

    • -5

      Because there are still thousands of people that are suffering from side effects. It may be a minority, but still deserving respect. Everyone got Covid anyway. And the vast majority recovered without lasting consequences, vaccinated or not.
      Vaccinated and multiple boosted people are now getting covid and other viral infections even more than unvaccinated people.

      • Do you ever wonder what was done with the millions of vials that weren't used or expired?

        • Expired just wasted $.
          Unused currently pushed as boosters.
          Must use them so they don't go to waste!
          Plenty if takers by the sounds of it.

          • +1

            @Mad Max: Yeah, but those millions of vials don't just magically vanish into thin air. Landfill? Dumped into water? Food supply? Shipped to Africa?

      • +6

        I haven't really looked at the numbers but I was under the impression the jab prevented more deaths than the number of people that had severe side effects. Is this incorrect?

        • +1

          Does that justify mandating a medical countermeasure across the majority of a population?

  • +6

    I never would have gotten the vaccine if it wasn't for the free 5G :)

  • +9

    I would be keen to know which previous ozbargain disabled username you use to post under

  • -4

    I do wonder why people keep bothering with these posts.
    And I also wonder why I myself keep getting involved in these discussions.
    The undeniable ultimate reality and bottom line is that I did not get injected with the stuff. Whatever it was.
    I got Covid and I got over it quicker that a normal flu.
    I am healthier as ever.
    I don't have to worry and keep wondering about what really was in those vaccines ad what sort of short, medium or long term known or unknown side effects they may have.
    End of story.

    • Have you only had it once? When was it, & did you get tested?

      • -2

        Only once. Was sick for 2 days. Not tested, but family member was positive (music festival in December 2021…young and silly…) so I guess…

        • Was there anything strange about it? Unusually intense headaches for example?

          • +1

            @mrdean: Nothing. Not near as bad as a flu.

    • +9

      I got Covid and I got over it quicker that a normal flu.

      I'm so glad you got better. Forgetting that millions still died…

      • -8

        ….most likely as a result of the mandated medical countermeasures.

        • BS

      • Forgetting that millions still died…

        They must have been fully vaccinated.

    • +5

      Yeah congratulations on not working in healthcare in 2020, pat yourself on the back.

  • +11

    I really don't know which side to be on in the COVID vaccine fight.

    One side said it was safe. The other side said it wasn't. I know what the official statistics say. That it was safe. But I personally had an adverse reaction to it that took me 11 months to recover from. If I hadn't been retired I would have been unable to work. And it has left me with permanent nerve damage on my left side. And even then they refused to count it officially as anything other than a "normal reaction". To be counted officially as an adverse event I would have had to have been unable to walk unaided, ie, to be hospitalised. I personally dealt with GPs and specialists and the TGA, and saw that the medical establishment was rigging the statistics by only counting SEVERE adverse events. How can I trust the official statistics when I don't know whether there were only a few people like me, or a lot. I have no way of knowing whether I was dealt with poorly because my personal experience was so unusual, or was quite common and the vaccine was a lot less safe than they admitted. To this day, years later, when I discuss my medical history with doctors, I still get some of them saying "you couldn't have had that because its always fatal".

    One side said it was effective. The other side said it wasn't. It was only towards the end that it was admitted that despite requiring people to get vaccinated, if for no other reason than to protect other people from being infected by them, that the vaccines didn't in fact do much to protect you from getting infected, or protect other people from being infected by you. The thing they were effective at was helping you to fight the infection and not get a serious case. They protected the hospital system. Which is better than being totally ineffective, but a lot less than they claimed.

    From my experience I see a bunch of looneys on one side wildly exaggerating how dangerous the vaccines were out of ignorance, and on the other side a medical establishment that did everything it could to do what it thought best for the majority of people by encouraging people to get vaccinated, up to and including rigging the statistics by denying less than severe real cases of harm from the vaccine.

    • +4

      We're in the midst of a global information war for people's minds.

      • *only if they're on the Internet.

        • *or watching tv.

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