Tesla, just dropped the price of an inventory Model 3 even lower, might be a good bargain to get before the:
stamp duty rebate https://www.revenue.nsw.gov.au/grants-schemes/electric-vehic…
and 3k ev grant ends: https://www.revenue.nsw.gov.au/grants-schemes/electric-vehic…
at the end of this year.
With the refresh model 3 2024 loosing the gear stalk and blinker stalk, this could become a high yield investment ;D
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BYD has better value.
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Lol
Tesla's here are made in the Shanghai factory anyway
Yeah and tesla get get their batteries from BYD
@ego22: Only for the Ys that get made in Berlin and sold in Europe. The LFP batteries for the RWD Model Ys that come to Australia are from CATL.
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I don't think byd offers a better value at their current price. It is cheaper but at the cost of lower specs. Anyway, what choice you have when there is no car industry in Australia.
You are on Ozbargain. Everyone likes to compare a lower spec item with a higher spec item and complain something is overpriced. I'm just waiting for the person to compare this to a motorbike.
To fit 5 you need a cargo bike
@prodrome: Mine isn't. The Chinese-made ones are quite good. It's the ones made in the US that are poor quality.
Poor quality
Is it? The quality of mine is fine and that seems to be the case with all the others here. I haven't heard any reports of quality issues with the Chinese-made ones. What are you basing this on?
Poor warranty
At 4 years, it's a little lower than the average of 5 but the most expensive component is the battery and that has an 8-year warranty.
Poor resale
Compared to an equivalent ICE car? What is your source?
Main thing is you don't pay too much for it.
I bought it because I thought it would be a great car, and it is. The fact that I can charge it during the day with my solar panels makes it good value too.
@dazweeja: All carmakers have problems and recalls.
Telsa are always towards the top of the list of problem cars, which just means you're statistically have more issues with your car
Telsa are always towards the top of the list of problem cars, which just means you're statistically have more issues with your car
Where is your source for Chinese-made Teslas (Model 3 and Y) being towards the top of the list for problem cars in Australia?
IDK why everyone's obsessing over the BYD and Tesla. My mountain bike costs $0.00 to refuel
@MrMoo: no they aren't. takes a good million dollars to raise a kid apparently. so most expensive option of them all
@Papa Huggies: Actually dollar for dollar, your body costs more to fuel to power your bike than electricity.
Source: A mate did a crazy month long ride on an ebike from Perth to Sydney and the electricity to charge the bike was trivial compared to the amount of food he needed to keep up his energy.
@1st-Amendment: Um, you mean as per my post that you replied to, which was making this exact point ?
@Hyena: Obviously he's not an ozbargainer, he could get his energy from KFC hacks and I'm sure it'd be cheaper!
Granted, trying to get on an ebike after days of only consuming KFC would be an issue in itself.
@freefall101: Not many KFCs along the Nullabor!
Fun fact, he had to pre-mail himself a bunch of food drops and supplies to various remote places along the journey where he could collect them as he went!
@Hyena: I was being facetious of course, was wondering how long it'd take for someone to point it out though!
@Hyena: Also how about the cost of skin cancer treatment riding a bike from Perth to Sydney? Should have done it in winter when UV levels are lower.
@derdew: I was being facetious, however I hear this argument a lot for cars. Same justification for getting a big SUV/ dual-cab ute over a Corolla.
The counter is that a lot of the time people drive their car they are by themselves. In that case it may be more economical (not to mention better for the environment and the local traffic network) to look into other modes of transport. You can still own a car but drive it less. Alternatively you can GoGet if your use case is very occasional and you live somewhere with a GoGet nearby.
@Papa Huggies: Fuel is the extra food that you eat to power it. Energy is not created nor destroyed.
A motorbike is much better value than this and goes faster. Lower petrol
Even better get an electric motorbike that hasn’t been released yet
Electric scooter all you need mate!
Well if my grandmother has wheels…
Some reasons why I didn't go for BYD (most would be minor but added up for me)
1. No driver profile - basically automatic change of seat, wheel positions and other settings on the console depending on the driver. Me and my wife share the car.
2. Full regenerative braking/One Pedal Driving on Tesla
3. Adaptive Cruise control was simpler on Tesla for me. When I test drove the BYD, it wasn't working or maybe I didn't do it right.
4. You Always had to turn on "brake hold" on BYD every start of the car
5. Tesla had More reliable charging network
6. Lesser mandatory servicing
7. Tesla Slightly more efficient kwh/km
Cons of Tesla:
1. Worse suspension
2. Warranty is not on par with like Kia or Toyota
3. Have to pay for live traffic maps. whereas BYD can use apple car play.
I think BYD has more frequent and pricier servicing compared to Tesla as well.
@jalwa: Yeah mate, that's what I'm doing. Have you been following Elon recently? The guy is a nutjob.
Yeah mate, that's what I'm doing.
Is it? Because it sounds like you are reading stuff on the Internet then getting upset about it…
Have you been following Elon recently? The guy is a nutjob.
QED
Is it? Because it sounds like you are reading stuff on the Internet then getting upset about it…
Yeah, his dumb, unhinged, conspiratorial, Andrew Tate-platforming tweets.
I'm not really upset about them though. I'm just saying you might want to think about where your money is going when you buy a Tesla and whether it aligns with your values.
You, on the other hand, seem to be getting quite upset and defensive at someone criticising your golden boy.
QED
Right back at you mate.
Yeah,
So I was right after all…
You, on the other hand, seem to be
If it seems that way it's because you're confused. That what happens when you believe too much internet…
Right back at you mate.
That's not how logic works, but derp cOnSpIrAcY tHeOrIeS!!!
That what happens when you believe too much internet…
…followed by:
but derp cOnSpIrAcY tHeOrIeS!!!
…followed by:
That's not how logic works
Oh the irony.
@jonow83: For the BYD
3 month / 5,000km Complimentary
12 month / 20,000km $189
24 month / 40,000km $370
36 month / 60,000km $189
48 month / 80,000km $447
60 month / 100,000km $189
72 month / 120,000km $370
84 month / 140,000km $189
96 month / 160,000km $447
Light Service Plan
Fixed price of $189 per year for a lower kilometre car user, offering a capped service price for up to 60,000 kilometres over 5 years. Available for the ATTO 3 only.
@Grunef: What are they actually doing for a service??
Isn't it just checking brakes? It's a bit of a rip off.
@[Deactivated]: It would be interesting to find out more info. I'm no expert.
The website just says
• Pricing includes labour and all required servicing parts eg. cabin filter, fluids and consumables
What are they actually doing for a service??
Contrary to the EV narrative, car servicing is less about the engine and more about everything else to maintain a steady revenue stream for the dealer network. eg If I look at my service book, the Engine oil is only one line item, the rest is things like coolant, brake fluids, washer fluid, steering fluid, then there's things like brake checks, electrical tests, battery, tyres etc and such all of which you still need to check on an EV.
So the idea that you never have to service an EV is more unicorn fart stuff.
Do you know If I can charge the BYD Seal using the Tesla Home Charger?
@Ted0525: Yes. Tesla 'charger' is a power supply albeit sophisticated. The charger is built into your car.
re: live maps, does this mean there's not android auto?
@jwsc: There is no Android Auto or Apple Carplay. However, Live traffic maps - You need Tesla Premium Connectivity for live traffic visualization, which is nothing but the colors on the map to show if there is traffic ahead.
However, the standard connectivity will take traffic into account when routing and will also update the route if required during an active trip.
Live traffic maps - You need Tesla Premium Connectivity for live traffic visualization, which is nothing but the colors on the map to show if there is traffic ahead.
However, the standard connectivity will take traffic into account when routing and will also update the route if required during an active trip.
@lazybones1987: I didn't know this regd standard connectivity. I assumed it didn't because it doesn't show the colors of how congested the road is.
@Oauiii: nah that's the best thing haha..it actually give you the best route depending on the traffic. :)
Great summary. Also Tesla will charge way faster 150kw or higher sometimes.
Does the BYD have battery preconditioning??
Hmm to your 3rd point about live traffic maps, how often do you use it to determine which route to take?
Without paying for premium, the map will still give you a best route in case you didn't know about this. :)
Isn't one pedal driving a terrible idea? It trains you to place your foot on the accelerator at all times, whereas I was taught that hovering your foot on top of the brake pedal when not accelerating is a huge part of defensive driving.
I was taught that hovering your foot on top of the brake pedal when not accelerating is a huge part of defensive driving.
This is to reduce the time it takes to apply the brake in an emergency. With a one foot system your foot is already on the brake so in theory it should result in similar reaction times.
@Bad Company: I've often wondered how it works in practice, given many times the rate of braking changes - ie sometimes you just want light braking, other times harder braking. Just lifting off the accelerator my not give the required rate - ie too much or too little?
@placard: You can feather the accelerator to adjust the regen/brake rate, removing your foot completely is similar to quite aggressive braking.
@Bad Company: I see your point (and I do this when I cruise control), but I reckon the "one foot driving" method, with regenerative braking, is probably more effective when cruise control isn't engaged and you're just driving about.
You can keep your right foot at the accelerator (in the event you need to accelerate to avoid a crash) and the moment you release it, the car is already braking.
The main drawback between your method and one foot driving would be that you're slower to brake if your foot is on the accelerator - but the moment you release the accelerator, you're already braking with regenerative braking.
So I think you somewhat get the best of both worlds.
@Bad Company: Dunno about the one pedal safety. I test drove one and got used to it.
You shouldn't hover your foot above the brake though. Your foot will get tired.
Cons of Tesla:
4. No instrument cluster
5. No proper Blind spot monitoring
6. No RCTA
7. Front seats ventilation - assuming we are comparing the Seal which is direct competitor.
You don't have to turn "brake hold" on BYD every time you start your car. My Atto 3 is always on once I turn it on. ACC is similar to the way a Toyota ACC works.
You forgot Insurance as a Con for the Tesla : $2300(Model 3) for 50+ Rating 1 with some Business Use + younger drivers(not<21)
Model Y was $1800, Atto 3 was $1300 and Ford Escape Phev was $911. Factor that in over a 4 year Lease and it makes a BIG difference.
@petebern: Obviously everyone's situation is slightly different, but my insurance for Model 3 was very similar to other comparable cars, both EV and ICE. And I'm paying less than half of your quoted amount, while ~10 years younger.
@petebern: As a potential buyer this talk about insurance premiums had me worried but quote for LR model 3 was $1200 which seemed OK.
@mauricem: Best to do your own research on this as there are multiple factors which will affect premium price.
so from 6% to 7%,
where does it say that the rebates are finishing at the end of the year?
edit:
https://www.nsw.gov.au/driving-boating-and-transport/nsw-gov… - Important changes from 1 January 2024
The stamp duty exemption and the rebate for all eligible EV purchases will end on 1 January 2024.
Individuals and businesses that have purchased or placed a deposit on an eligible EV prior to 1 January 2024, and are awaiting delivery of the vehicle, will still be eligible to receive the stamp duty exemption and rebate, regardless of whether the vehicle has been delivered by that date. This will ensure that purchasers who are unable to register their vehicle by 31 December 2023, are not disadvantaged for delays in delivery. Further information will be released soon regarding these arrangements.