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With so many incredible options coming out this year, it makes no sense to waste your money on a frankly dated Tesla.
Updated Xpeng G6, Zeekr 7x, Leapmotor B10, Aion V, BYD Sealion 7, Geely E5, Deepal S07 just to name a few. All of them are either cheaper and better, or slightly more expensive but with a significantly nicer fit out, competing with cars in a much higher price bracket. Most of them are just as smart, if not smarter - and you don't have to pay $10,000+ extra to access those features like you do with the Tesla. All of them give you a digital instrument cluster (a few with heads up displays too), 360 degree video feeds, and proximity and driving sensors that Tesla removed to cut costs - none of which this Model Y has.
Keep in mind all of this competition means there is going to be a brutal escalation of the price war that will only send second hand Tesla prices spiralling to even greater depths. Not all competitors will survive, and that includes legacy manufacturers - so choose wisely!
Well said, it's important to note the bigger price difference vs competition who seem to not lock out the autonomous features with a $10k upgrade
The word incredible is thrown around so loosely
Except I don't.
I work in tech and have been a car enthusiast for as long as I've been alive. I have a keen appreciation for nice things, and don't mind spending more if it means I get something better. The bang for buck that these entrants deliver is nothing short of incredible, regardless of what people want to keep telling themselves. Admittedly some on the list are better than others (my personal favourites are the Zeekr 7x, the updated Xpeng G6 and the Leapmotor B10 is also shaping up to be very promising as well), but they all deliver outstanding value - and will keep driving EV prices lower.
Chinese consumers have historically preferred Western legacy automakers and shunned domestic manufacturers - just like a lot of Australians still do, but in the last ten years, as legacy auto sat on their asses, Chinese manufacturers battled it out in a fiercely competitive domestic market to redefine value in nearly every segment. Chinese consumers in turn have moved away from legacy auto, to the point where sales are tanking so drastically that its affecting global bottom lines. Everyone from Nissan to Volkswagen point to the same reason that they've been struggling - Chinese cars that deliver better tech, better value, better features and better cars at a far lower price point than any of them can.
European luxury marques have been manufacturing in China for a while now. If you told someone ten years ago that a Chinese car would be stealing buyers from Porsche, you'd have been laughed out of the room - but that's exactly whats happening. Ford's CEO says he doesn't want to stop driving his Chinese car. Incredible enough for you?
@daft009: Highly recommend checking out the Xioami SU7, and Avatr's offerings, a higher end marque from Huawei, they all feel like concept cars - stunning on the inside and the out. Nio and Denza's wagons look great too - really digging Chinese marques pushing high performance wagons - far more fun to drive than an SUV, with similar levels of practicality! Sadly won't ever be as fun to drive as a car with three pedals - but Toyota and Lexus are working on EV's with simulated 6 speed stick shift transmissions, so there's hope yet.
None of the above marques have been confirmed for Australia yet, but all of them are on the cards, and some have made statements about wanting to enter our market.
Incredible enough for you?
No lol, you just said you were an enthusiast so we should trust you and spouted a bunch of flowery context to pad your post out.
You might be right, but even if you are nobody can tell that from your post.
@nussbuster: Its not flowery language, its a claim - I'll repeat it again to make it easier for you to process: The EV's I listed offer the best bang for buck in their respective price category, there's nothing from legacy auto that can compete. That's a claim, no flowers involved - can you refute it?
I also backed it up with:
Link to BMW building cars in China, demonstrating the shifting standards of Chinese manufacturing
Link to Chinese buyers cross shopping the Xiaomi SU7 with the Porsche Taycan, a testament to how those standards are stealing sales from cars that cost significantly more
Link to Ford's own CEO saying that he doesn't want to stop driving a Chinese carBut I guess all you saw was flowers (lol).
All of them have access to fast charging infra which always works.
I own the G6 and a Tesla Model Y. On paper the G6 is better for less but in practice the Tesla Model Y is significantly better to drive due to a better road feel, driver assistance features and smoother more intuitive infotainment (even considering the lack of android auto). I think in some ways you can liken the experience to early Android (Chinese EV manufactures) vs early iPhone (Tesla). Competition is good but worth at least considering and test driving Tesla's lineup. Also Tesla charging network is still a big draw card since it is cheaper for Teslas.
WTF they don't have android auto? What a joke.
@Buyingcrap: Hard agree, I will never be convinced that having a custom infotainment system is ever better than just adding CarPlay/Android Auto. Ridiculous stubbornness from an incompetent CEO.
@Buyingcrap: To be clear - its the Tesla that doesn't have Android Auto (or Carplay for that matter)
The G6 offers wireless Carplay and Android Auto as standard.
100% especially when you do out of town driving.
if you drive in town only and not too far and only charge at home, other brands are ok.
I can't speak for most of these newer Chinese brands, but I test drove the Tesla Model 3 and BYD Seal last year on the same day, and the drive and dynamics on the Tesla were quite a bit more impressive, comparably.
Don't take my word for it. If you're curious, do the same before you make up your mind.
BYD yep, a decent option.
The rest probably won't last.Cheaper & better? Doubtful. And before all the clowns come at me, I don't even have an EV.
Tesla is like Apple. Their products just work, and their software is the best compared to the other Chinese offerings.
Supercharging is by far superior thanks to Tesla's products too.
Deepal/Leapmotor and the other newbies won't last -> They'll try to flood the market, but we are so small compared to mainland China that they'll have no incentive to remain here.
You can grab a new Model 3 on a NL, with the $3500 lease incentive, then take the GST off and you have a pretty decent car at a better price than the reset.People need to separate the politics from the product. Musk is a nut, but Tesla make a decent car.
If you're really that precious to what a CEO does, you'd never buy anything.Yeah, but the Chinese EVs are very much getting there and offer FAR better value with ever-increasing quality and post-purchase support, not to mention their leadership isn’t literally fascists compared to Elon, who was indeed a hack that played the game of capitalism, underpaying the brightest minds and not knowing anything other than the Asteroids ripoff he made when he was 12.
All he has is capital and his overvalued companies.@FujinShu: I think Tesla being owned by Musk vs Others being owned by CCP kind of cancel out.
So what remains is just comparing the cars at face value.@FujinShu: Ugh. Compare the PRODUCT not the flag / country / CEO.
I'd argue no other Chinese EV has the some "value" / quality of product.
Leapmotor looks outdated and tacky AF, Zeekr is way over priced for what it is, Xpeng is decent.
BYD need to quickly add the BYD Seal 06 GT. That's one I'd consider.
Mate I don't want to drive some XingPing Chinese rubbish cars.
Honey!!!! 🍯
Say no to Commie and Fascist
Explain why he is a Commie etc..?
Keep believing it's bots and agents son, day by day we get further away from the truth
Exactly. And right now they are basking in media glory that Tesla sales are collapsing. In a few months, they will realise that the sales are back where they were if not better once the Model Y scales up and deliveries start at full steam. After that they will how the world has suddenly turned facist and bigoted. The same people though will not forget to virtue signal when they bought they EV and all it took to break their facade of caring for the environment is someone with a political opinion that is not the same as theirs. Start negging bots
Self confused BOT. Fassicst is the far right which might be right for the oligarchs. Commie is derogarory term invented by the Fascist for the most Demcratic & Human system that only exysted in primitive form before the Btits invaded the Aboriginal lands.
According to Lenin, it will take 4 centuries from now for the people to mature & understand why it's the ultimate goal of human progress. Communi(sm) is the system for the global Commui(ty). Social(ism) is the transition that French planned, USSR tried, & China is succeding so far to beat the Capitalists (incl F……). For the confused, every1 else is confused in stereotyping :( I don't understand people that are aginst Social & Community values & real life ;)China is far from communist. Their Gini Coefficient are worse than Russia and way worse than Australia. Australia and it's social security programs make China look like a Fascist state.
@Creamsoda: China never declares as communist, neither USSR - both early developing socialist from ~feudalism (so great achievement considering China is now #1 in tech/AI).
There's Western bias how to interpret the data for differents systems. If the infrastructure & services are available/shared more fairly in China that matters more than the income distribution.PS. Anyway, Ukraine's GINI 25.63 (2020)#5 is much better than Australia's 34.33 (2018) #79, US 39.79 getting worse (2022) #132, UK 34.24 (2022) #77, China 36.67 (2020, 35.7 2021) #97 ;)
China’s model=> shared access to public goods, offers viable alternative, though it requires rethinking traditional frameworks like the Gini coefficient.China never declares as communist
why you repeating my point? Even with socialist matric Australia is better than China at socialism. Their dole payments are like 779RMB a month or $180AUD in cities and 615RMB a month or $130AUD in rural areas, those people on the dole are so dirt poor they pick up trash to sell to make ends meet. There is basically very minimal social security net this is why a lot of the mainlanders are so money oriented (Capitalistic).
China is basically failing bad at socialism (reflected on its Gini rating) so Xi did this "common prosperity" slogan that we heard about few years ago and went after the wealthy.
And if tens of millions of people have to have died in the process, well that’s just a necessary cost of human progress.
@Landsmith: America and its hegemony have killed far more than 10 million people just for standing up to them.
Change is rarely a bloodless path, but a path of communism kills the least compared to capitalism; it’s just that capitalism’s death toll is in the poor countries that are under capitalist-sponsored coups and dictatorships.@Landsmith: Avloid Western propaganda media to get trustworthy info that aligns to reality.
China’s investments in public infrastructure (5G networks, rural healthcare clinics, universal broadband, high-speed rail)& shared services (affordable housing) address inequality in ways ¬ captured by income metrics
This requires rethink’ traditional Western frameworks like Gini coefficient taht don't understand more advanced Social systems.
Honda? Hyundai? where have you been??
Mainly VW
It seems unlikely Honda will survive
I think those down voting you are too myopic to realise that China and Chinese cars are actually communist lol.
They're doing a terrible job of being communists.
Halucinations are typical for Western sources. That's why DeepSeek is better & much cheaper than the Western biased models ;)
None of the car companies leadership currently has demonstrated Elons level of stupidity and so publicly as well.
Yeah being the richest man in the world and now a integral part of the world's greatest Superpower sure is stupid.
You mean the world's most militaristic warring Empire that's ever existed? Lets hope Trump can fix the warring part and start fixing it's own country for it's people.
And then buy a Chinese Car which comes from a Communist country?
China is the second, and in very near future will be the biggest, capitalist country.
There has never ever been a communist country existed in the world history.Yes, Aboriginals had Tribal Communism (shared all work & goods) but they had not National(ist) country ;)
China is Socialist country with Market Economy that functions better than the rest.
Fascist countries were almost always capitalist autocracies, which is what America is turning into.
Please, do not support nazis.
No one's buying TESLA. Sales are dropping all across the world.
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So are they dropping, or is no one buying?
Nazis are still buying.
@kml22: You guys are so far-right on political spectrum that according to you even centre-right conservatives are left. I'm unfortunately one of them and you're ruining it for all of us.
If you anti Israelis, you're also a Nazi too?
Yes, if you (are) anti Israelis (the people), you're a fascist.
If you are anti-Israel (the state), on the other hand, you may not be.
Tangentially related: Why do all fascists have bad grammar?
if you (are) anti Israelis (the people), you're a fascist.
You might want to look that word up before you make a fool of yourself in public again…
@1st-Amendment: Israeli
/ɪzˈreɪli/
noun
plural noun: Israelis
a native or inhabitant of Israel, or a person of Israeli descent.What's your point?
@bio: Because now the Left, have no factual argument like yourself, now attacking people a difference angle, pretty pathetic I says.
@kml22: It's you who doesn't have a factual argument mate. You asked me questions and I answered them.
All you've regurgitated above is variations of "radical left is making fun of me and I don't have an answer"…
Again, if you do the Nazi salute, you'll be called a Nazi. You may or may not have a problem with that.
Again, if you do the Nazi salute, you'll be called a Nazi.
Cool. Now for bonus points, post a link to an actual Nazi - a WW2 German Nazi, not a cosplay version doing a salute so we may compare.
Wake me up when you can do that.Now for bonus points, post a link to an actual Nazi - a WW2 German Naz
You made this strange claim last time
I'm unsure what point or gaslighting 'fact' or nuance you're trying to apply but hey, you're post count on this thread is way down compared to the last so here goesEg random unfortunate google on such material. About 36s for an example of a guy that I'm pretty sure fits your idealistic view of an 'actual' nazi, though for pure nuance he's probably Austrian based on place of birth so maybe not a true 'ww2 German nazi'
https://youtu.be/qDRYi1IYI2o?si=4OL_Gt0kuay7XCdl(Though I am not looking forward to what kind of adword targetting I'm going to see across the web based on that random off brand google search. )
You made this strange claim last time
The strange part is how despite asking about 1000 times, not one person could provide one. Now that you have (thanks for that) we can finally progress the discussion.
I'm unsure what point or gaslighting
I merely asked for evidence. Why is this such a strange concept to so many?
About 36s
Nice. What about the one at 0:08? Or the ones at 0.40? Neither of those seem to work as well wouldn't you agree?
Now that you have (thanks for that) we can finally progress the discussion.
Nice. What about the one at….If somehow your "point" is nitpicking that while the requested and provided example of 'the main guy' doing one is 'nice', but 'look there's some examples of others doing them differently', then no we aren't at the "finally progress the discussion" point.
@dealhunter52: I hate to break it to you, but once the new Model Y deliveries start full steam, you will find there are many more Nazi's than you initially thoughts.
@dealsucker: Let's find out. I suppose they can't use sticker which says "I Bought This Before We Knew Elon was Crazy".
Dropping in price and value cause no one is buying.
Port of MELB already has a ton of Teslas cause no one is buying.
Price will continue to plummet so they can meet sales targets.
We are witnessing the greatest wealth transfer from poor and middle-class to Billionaire corporates. All this, because Billionaire Oligarchs, through massive disinformation & propaganda, have you convinced that poor people are the cause of all your problems and they are the only one's who can save you.
If you want to give away your money to Billionaire Oligarchs, good for you, I'm not going to stop you.
We are witnessing the greatest wealth transfer from poor and middle-class to Billionaire corporates
Simply not true:
https://ourworldindata.org/history-of-poverty-has-just-begun
@1st-Amendment: Why are you sending me link to a report from January 2022? Why not wait till January 2028 to see the results of what I have posted.
Which president made billions from his meme coin in January 2025?
Why is Trump creating strategic crypto reserve with 5 crypto coins which happens to be the top 5 coins held by Bitwise, a company in which his Crypto Czar - David Sacks is heavily invested in with his venture company - Craft Ventures? Is this not a conflict of interest and open corruption?
Why did Elon Musk closed Consumer Financial Protection Bureau agency in US, which protects consumers from bad corporations?
Why are you sending me link to a report from January 2022?
Because it exposes your lie.
We are witnessing the greatest elevation out of poverty in all of human history thanks to greater economic freedom.
@1st-Amendment: That reports doesn't expose anything I have said. Truth is Tech Billionaire bros are looting the world and accumulating unimaginable wealth. Whole world knows now that US presidents can be bought for $250 million and you make $250 billion in return.
https://inequality.org/article/billionaire-wealth-up-88-perc…
That reports doesn't expose anything I have said.
It does. Billions of people have been lifted out of poverty, not being sent into it. The report says exactly that.
Truth is Tech Billionaire bros are looting the world
Only if you have no idea about basic economics. Hint, as the pyramid gets wider it also gets taller.
Whole world knows now that US presidents can be bought for $250 million and you make $250 billion in return.
This comment makes no sense.
https://inequality.org/article/billionaire-wealth-up-88-perc…
This link proves my point again. "United States had 614 billionaires.. (now has) the country has 737 billionaires"
So people there's now 123 more billionaires. 123 people who weren't billionaires now are. So more people are growing in wealth just like my original link showed.
You see, the point the economic illiterates fail to grasp is that the as the pie gets bigger, EVERYONE benefits. It's not a zero sum game.
If a hundred million people all increase their wealth and can now afford iPhones, the guy selling iPhones gets rich too, so his wealth is a sign that everyone is winning.
Another example. The global economy grew $16T in the four years and out of that increase of $16T 'the billionaires' took $2.5T, meaning everyone else grew in wealth by $13.5T. So EVERYONE benefits.
Now compare that to say the Soviet Union where everyone was equally poor and lived in the dirt. Which one is a better story?
@1st-Amendment: Yeah, keep counting billionaires. That's what Trump and Musk supporters are good at, and don't forget to buy Trump and Melania meme coins 😂.
Yeah, keep counting billionaires
Well counting is a useful skill, you should try it sometime.
Let me make this point closer to home, in the last 25 years, Australia has added 2 million millionaires. 2 million people who weren't millionaires now are, and this number grows every year. So yes the rich are getting richer, but so is everyone else. It's win-win. My original link showed you this with data.
Another example is the AFR rich 200 has been going for 40 years. In that time only 13 people have stayed on it. That means 187 people who weren't rich got rich, and 187 people got relatively less wealthy. So the pie gets bigger and more people get a share of it. Win-win
The idea that 'billionaires' are taking money from poor people is cartoon logic used by people who have no idea how the world works.
Now compare that to say the Soviet Union where everyone was equally poor and lived in the dirt. Which one is a better story?
Yeah some idiots still think he's not a nazi
Think Australia has no problem with Nazis since the special forces are full of them.
The Media, got people stupid.
The Media, got people stupid.
That equally works for both sides of the 'wing' spectrum
@SBOB: Yes, but the left are the most extreme, they can't stand an argument or when someone disagree with them.
no thanks