I Am A Roulette Aficionado Thinking of Sharing My Experience

MontyMacaw on 17/11/2021 - 05:32
Last edited 28/11/2021 - 19:34 by 1 other user

Ok here’s a doozy for ya. I’ve been here for some time and give a bit of ribbing and take a bit so be playful if you want but not mean ok?

I play Roulette 7 days a week. Not with many thousands of dollars but with a small bank roll to keep it stress free. Most people that know me or watch me are very inquisitive about my game, strategy and my strict adherence to certain shall we say rules I apply to myself which allows me to keep going back and not blow all my money like the average Joe or Josephine.

I’ve shared my skill with one other person, a poker player, but they couldn’t control themselves and after some initial success thought they could go big. It was a disaster - for them and I told them they shouldn’t gamble EVER. It didn’t end well.

With all the crypto investors out there I figure my roulette strategies are no worse than playing the crypto market. So my big question is would anybody pay to be coached in this timeless battle against the house and what would they expect for their money? Hypothetically of course.

EDIT: I did say it was a doozy and OzB’s have delivered pretty much what I expected. I could look up a word in the dictionary to describe what that looks like but I think the replies speak for themselves. Thank you one and all!

Mod: Removed inflammatory edits.

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      • pegaxs on 18/11/2021 - 16:49
        +8

        Ahhh… The "Sexual Panther" system… 60% of the time, it works every time…

        • cameldownunder on 18/11/2021 - 16:51

          "Sexual Panther"

          Uh ? What ?

        • ely on 20/11/2021 - 13:11

          Curious about these roulette dealers too. Wasn't aware that roulette was a card came.

        • iDroid on 21/11/2021 - 23:10

          Nope nope nope, just a turd covered in burnt hair!

      • chriise on 18/11/2021 - 18:03
        +1

        My system works 47% of the time also.

    • Chandler on 18/11/2021 - 17:36
      +2

      have seen those system sellers do their arse on the roulette wheel.

      That's why they try to transition to selling their system - it's better method for them to make money than their system itself.

      It's like the old joke - want to know how to get rich quick? Release a book on how to get rich quick!

      • iDroid on 21/11/2021 - 23:11
        +1

        The joke is that it's no joke.

        They often do well (the book sellers that is)

    • cloudy on 19/11/2021 - 11:54

      From memory Ed Thorp managed to beat the house, or maybe I have bad memory.

      • gromit on 22/11/2021 - 13:49

        He beat most games. mainly blackjack and baccarat through card counting. He then developed a system for beating roulette which was basically a wearable computer watching the wheel and counting the cadence of the spin with foot tapping to let the computer predict a grouping of numbers which was just enough to increase the odds in his favour. this is one of the reasons things like mobile phones, cameras and electronic devices are now banned in casinos.

        • cloudy on 22/11/2021 - 15:01

          Ah good, my memory is still good.

        • bohn on 22/11/2021 - 15:29

          this is one of the reasons things like mobile phones, cameras and electronic devices are now banned in casinos

          Wow, it's been years since I've been in a casino, but sounds even more boring if phone use is restricted

          • gromit on 22/11/2021 - 16:41

            @bohn: I don't go to casino very often, but the few I have been too all had no mobile phone policies while at the table. basically electronic devices are generally barred due to the risk of cheating. having said that, if you are at a table gambling you would be even more foolish to also want to be distracted by playing with your phone.

            • MontyMacaw on 22/11/2021 - 23:55

              @gromit: It happens all the time. Some people just can’t leave a ringing phone be.

    • bobbified on 20/11/2021 - 16:01

      Did you ever notice whether muscle memory ever came into play when you spun the ball?

      I've played a number of times when it's empty and it would "appear" that in some circumstances, the dealer would try to let me win. I notice that the ball would keep landing in the same sector (within two to three numbers) of the single number I'm betting on each time. Obviously, they've designed the table in a way so that it's very difficult to impossible to throw exactly what someone wants, but I'm sure there are ways the dealer can increase the chances.

      • MontyMacaw on 22/11/2021 - 23:56

        Now that’s a myth. People remember patterns so when it’s appears to happen it gets noticed but when random shit happens nobody takes any notice.

        • bobbified on 23/11/2021 - 09:29

          I'm not a regular player so I don't remember the order that the numbers appear on the wheel. When I bet on numbers, I wait until there's noone and I'd bet on a single number only. I've noticed sometimes that the ball lands around the area when I'm betting. It's not with every dealer, of course. I don't think it's coincidence, but who knows.

  • EightImmortals on 17/11/2021 - 07:31

    Do you play online roulette or at the casino? I imagine the odds would be rigged for online games like most other things?

    • Antikythera on 18/11/2021 - 18:26
      +6

      the odds are "rigged" at the casino roulette also.

      • EightImmortals on 18/11/2021 - 19:26

        A little bit for sure.

        • baldur on 19/11/2021 - 11:42
          +2

          They don't need to be rigged though. Statistics favour the house. To lose against the house Is definitely certain, at least in the long term. You can always hit and run but gamblers are delusional usually.

  • pantsparty on 17/11/2021 - 07:32
    +14

    You sound extremely confident in your system. If this is the case why not increase the amount you are betting and become a billionaire eventually? Playing 7 days a week with small amounts seems like a controlled addiction but kind of pointless.

    • MontyMacaw on 17/11/2021 - 07:33
      -5

      I don’t have a system. Experience has taught me that if I came to depend on it for my income I would most likely become reckless. And as for being pointless I would use the golf analogy of what you might play the game.

      • pantsparty on 17/11/2021 - 07:34
        +19

        So you are betting small amounts and winning small amounts and playing 7 days a week? What’s the point? Do you just really love sitting in casinos? I find them to be miserable depressing places.

        • MontyMacaw on 17/11/2021 - 07:39
          +1

          I find sports stadiums and the Opera to be depressing places. It’s a person and social thing. I interact with a lot of other regulars as one would at any hobby or sport.

          • pantsparty on 17/11/2021 - 08:23
            +1

            @MontyMacaw: In an average week how much profit do you make?

          • wiipantz on 17/11/2021 - 08:34

            @MontyMacaw: Wow you sound fun at parties pun intended for @pantsparty

            • MontyMacaw on 17/11/2021 - 08:39
              -2

              @wiipantz: Having spent my life in hospo I can say I have been fun at parties - both the ones I have helped cater and the ones I have attended. Oh and I was often the last to leave 😜

              • wiipantz on 17/11/2021 - 08:41
                +3

                @MontyMacaw: A lingerer too, not surprised with your diatribe above.

                • MontyMacaw on 17/11/2021 - 09:21

                  @wiipantz: Can’t deny it😜

                  • wiipantz on 17/11/2021 - 09:44
                    -1

                    @MontyMacaw: Obviously, you clearly detailed it. Real winner inside and outside of the Casino it appears…

              • Antikythera on 18/11/2021 - 18:29
                +3

                @MontyMacaw:

                Problem gambling rates amongst staff were 9.6 times higher than for the (general) population

                As another lifetime hospitality worker, take it easy. There are decent resources out there when you decide you need help.

                • MontyMacaw on 18/11/2021 - 18:38
                  +1

                  @Antikythera: My staff eventually thanked me for not allowing them to play the pokies in every venue I was in charge of - there was one exception to my being able to do that and the owners stopped me. They were also the worst wages thieves I have ever seen. They ripped off their staff and wanted the staff to spend all of their wages at their work. Even to the point of giving them credit. The wife is the daughter of a Queensland Minister who died before the Fitzgerald Inquiry could prosecute him for corruption. Apples don’t fall far from the tree.

                  • DialIN on 18/11/2021 - 23:24
                    +1

                    @MontyMacaw: Wait, did you just call your wife corrupt?

                    • JimB on 19/11/2021 - 04:56

                      @DialIN: I think he meant the wife of the boss/owner of the business.

  • MontyMacaw on 17/11/2021 - 07:32
    -4

    Online is for suckers. Also it’s too easily accessible. To be disciplined you need to leave the house and actually go to a casino.

    • EightImmortals on 17/11/2021 - 07:36

      Fair enough, well there goes my next retirement plan. :)

    • cameldownunder on 18/11/2021 - 16:44

      I seriously hope you don't play deadly martingale !?

  • [Deactivated] on 17/11/2021 - 07:34
    +2

    How much money have you made over the years?

    • MontyMacaw on 17/11/2021 - 07:36
      -8

      Ive made hundreds of thousands and lost hundreds of thousands maybe millions if you take the turnover. That is how I gained the experience to be able to do what I do now without the stress and being broke.

      • [Deactivated] on 17/11/2021 - 07:43

        So are people expect to win money or just play without losing? I don't doubt you have experience but it seems your only disciple crashed and burnt and you're just doing alright

        • MontyMacaw on 17/11/2021 - 07:47

          Nobody should gamble EXPECTING to win. Just like investing in shares or crypto. It’s about risk management. My disciple was a compulsive gambler it turns out. I thought they were just a good poker player. Over time their destructive tendencies became apparent to me at both games so I said they should never gamble.

          • [Deactivated] on 17/11/2021 - 08:06
            +4

            @MontyMacaw: I meant net win. People invest in property, shares, crypto with the expectation that those markets will go up in time to make more money. If not then we all just have money under our beds. Again, not doubting what you say but you gotta make a point that you're making a profit otherwise why would anyone follow or learn from you?

            • MontyMacaw on 17/11/2021 - 09:24
              -2

              @[Deactivated]: The same reason a person might take golf lessons. To enjoy the game more and be more successful (or less unsuccessful) than they are now. Or maybe they just want to have a go and don’t know where to start?

              • Quantumcat on 17/11/2021 - 11:10
                +11

                @MontyMacaw: Golf requires skill, roulette does not

              • jaejae69 on 17/11/2021 - 16:40
                +9

                @MontyMacaw: The only "lesson" someone needs to "have a go" at roulette is
                1. Pick up a number
                2. Put your chips down

                You can DM me for the payment details for that lesson thanks.

              • cameldownunder on 18/11/2021 - 16:46
                +1

                @MontyMacaw: About 1/3 of the time at the casino I prefer to check out the nice dressed girl at the tables, sitting at the bar and having a beer. My wife does not mind.

            • MontyMacaw on 17/11/2021 - 18:36
              -8

              @[Deactivated]: It could be argued that property and shares only increase in dollar value over time but as inflation and a few other factors take their toll they stay relatively the same. Just like Roulette.

              • Vote for Pedro on 18/11/2021 - 08:46
                +5

                @MontyMacaw: No. No. No.

                If you bet $10 and win $10 you’re constantly left with $10. With inflation your $10 loses its value. If you put $10 in The other assets such as property, it keeps pace with or exceeds inflation.

              • MrMarket on 18/11/2021 - 20:19

                @MontyMacaw: there is no comparison investing in shares and properties vs playing Roulette, one is gambling and the other is investment
                gambling the house wins in the long run, investing in shares and properties you win in the long run

          • dr on 19/11/2021 - 11:59
            +4

            @MontyMacaw: You must be bloody delusional! Or just plain stupid… Either way you have a gambling addiction that you refuse to recognize and accept. You may be telling that you are in control the same way the nicotine or alcohol addict believe they are in control and they can quit any day.

            In gambling there are games where certain amount of skill is involved (e.g. blackjack, poker, baccarat) and then there are pure games of chance/luck like dice, roulette or simple coin flip where there is no skill involved. Ironic is that you have better chance of winning on coin flip than on roulette and yet you are not peddling your strategy about winning on coin flip.

            Here is the word of the day for you Dunning-Kruger effect

  • TEER3X on 17/11/2021 - 07:42
    +6

    Roulette isn't a game that can be beaten statistically, unless you are referring to geometry or something, where you use a computer or your brain to predict which quadrant the ball will land in, based off the available information.

    I do know of a gambler in the US who beat craps for a couple of million dollars AND walked away. He grew up throwing dice so I'm pretty sure it wasn't luck.

      • pegaxs on 17/11/2021 - 07:51
        +39

        Wrong!

        Each roll of the roulette wheel is independent of the last. The house edge never falls in favour of the punter. The odds on roulette always remain the same each spin.

          • pegaxs on 17/11/2021 - 08:22
            +34

            @MontyMacaw: Maybe study probability and get back to us.

            Each spin of the roulette wheel is independent of the last…

            I think so am slowly working out what system you are trying to sell, and it's a lot like the "chaos theory of large numbers" system. Or the "it can't stay black/odd/first half forever" system.

            • MontyMacaw on 17/11/2021 - 08:32
              -8

              @pegaxs: Not even close. And that’s as much as I am going to say so as not to encourage some fool
              to go off half cocked. I have tried systems all of my life in many forms of gambling from horse racing, which started when I was 17 to sports betting and the sharemarkets but never crypto and don’t intend to start. The problem
              with systems is the rigidity. You get locked into a determined method without being able to adapt to your circumstances both mentally and in the game. That’s why system players can’t win. I once wrote a computer programme to
              pick race horses just for fun as I liked playing around with computers back in the 1980’s. I foolishly shared it with a guy I trusted only to discover he was selling it through form guide
              advertising. Lesson learned. You never give anything away you have spent a long time developing, even if it was just for entertainment.

              • Lukas on 18/11/2021 - 17:01
                +1

                @MontyMacaw: To bad you didn't move to hong kong in the 80s and make millions with your horse racing software - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-05-03/the-gambl…. The difference is that horse racing (and many sports) have a huge amount of factors that may or may not affect performance and result in skewed odds.

                The Law of large numbers is true and what a casino relies on for games like roulette to ensure they profit since they odds are skewed in their favour. If your system does not fundamentaly change your chances of winning then on average you will be donating to the house.

                • MontyMacaw on 18/11/2021 - 17:09

                  @Lukas: I only did my horse racing programme for fun. I was an early adopter of computers and I had bought many so called books of systems for horse racing to share with my group of friends. I had a young family and would never have put them at risk of not having the things they needed and wanted. What annoyed me was somebody else stealing it and selling it to suckers. It was more or less my way of picking form plus mixed in with some of the useful parts of different systems/strategies that had shown some merit. It was a fun project which I am still proud of today which has been part of my evolution of using maths to try and solve different problems and challenges.

                  • stumo on 18/11/2021 - 17:28
                    +5

                    @MontyMacaw: I'd expect someone of your supposed computer programming prowess to know the difference between the words programme and program.

          • wiipantz on 17/11/2021 - 08:30
            +7

            @MontyMacaw: I think you need to read up on the Monte Carlo Fallacy and then not get back to us with this tripe.

          • MS Paint on 17/11/2021 - 08:51
            +2

            @MontyMacaw:

            Maybe study the law of big numbers

            Large numbers?

            • 7ekn00 on 17/11/2021 - 13:04

              @MS Paint: Same ole addict theory - they quote "big number theory" or "chaos theory", etc that essentially states in can't remain black forever :P

              My bet is his "discipline" is waiting for a run of blacks (pick an arbitrary amount), then start betting on red incrementally (at least doubling to cover losses) … gamblers always think they can "beat" the system when they just play right into it!!

              The best actual odds at Roulette: walk in, place all your money on black/red, then walk out (one roll)!

              • MontyMacaw on 17/11/2021 - 18:30

                @7ekn00: That’s a terrible strategy. I’ve seen a lot of people try that. As soon as they get some success they come back more often and usually end up using the Martingale system to try and recover. It always ends badly.

            • pegaxs on 17/11/2021 - 13:51
              +7

              @MS Paint: Large number theory is a gambling fallacy that says there is order in the numbers and played over a long enough time line, all probabilities will even out (often quoted as " the law of averages).

              The problem is, probability doesn't give a (fropanity) about laws and the very nature of roulette is that also coupled into this probability theory is that you could just spin the same number for the rest of eternity. It's highly unlikely, but, it is probable.

              Chaos theory is another gamblers fallacy that there is no chaos and the numbers form some sort of relationship oncee the spins are tabulated for infinity. That there is an order to the chaos. Basically, if every number was spun on the wheel for infinity except one, then there is a really high chance on that number being spun on the infinity+1 spin. Or, over a long enough time time and infinite number of spins, there is no chaos and the numbers are in order.

              What all of these systems fail to take into account is that every spin of a roulette wheel is independent of the last. There is no such thing as law of averages, and if there was, there is always the law of extreme probability that is opposite to average spreading across all numbers equally.

              ie: "system" roulette players are the flat earthers of the casino.

              • MS Paint on 17/11/2021 - 13:58
                +1

                @pegaxs: I'm not a gambler but is card counting a thing?

                • Quantumcat on 17/11/2021 - 15:13
                  +11

                  @MS Paint: In card games, each draw of the card is not independent from the previous one. There's only a certain number of each card in the draw pile depending how many decks they put together. By removing a card that individual card is not available for the next draw. Which allows card counting to be a thing.

                  In roulette there are not 100 0s, 100 1s, 100 2s etc which would let you reason that if you saw 50 1s rolled already and only 3 2s then a 2 is more likely. In roulette each spin is totally independent and the wheel has zero memory about what happened previously. So there's no equivalent to card counting.

              • djkelly69 on 17/11/2021 - 14:37
                +3

                @pegaxs:

                It's highly unlikely, but, it is probable.

                Might go with 'possible' rather than 'probable' for that scenario.

                • Quantumcat on 17/11/2021 - 15:14
                  +3

                  @djkelly69: As the number of spins approaches infinity any combination of rolls you can dream up has 100% probability of occurring.

                • pegaxs on 17/11/2021 - 15:34
                  +1

                  @djkelly69: Basically as Quantum put it. It is possible but also probable. Although the probability of spinning the same number infinite times in a row would be a ratio larger than infinity itself, but, it's still an outcome that could happen, as unlikely as the odds would have it

              • MontyMacaw on 17/11/2021 - 18:33

                @pegaxs: Correct. One chance in 37 every spin for one number. One chance in 1400 for the same number to hit twice in a row but only one chance in 37 for it to repeat. This sort of thing messes with some people’s perceptions of the odds.

                • trapper on 18/11/2021 - 12:42
                  +10

                  @MontyMacaw: Yeah, any series of results is just as likely to occur as any other series. (of same length)

                  So it's not only 1 in 1400 to hit the same number twice (10, 10), but also 1 in 1400 to hit any two numbers. (10, 20)

                  Easy to explain it like this: RRRB happens just as often as RRRR so what does RRR tell us about the next roll? Nothing.

                  • Smol Cat on 18/11/2021 - 16:32
                    +3

                    @trapper: Very good explanation. This game definitely preys on people's misunderstanding of statistics.

                    The very fact that casinos post up the 'results history' on roulette tables goes to show how little it helps the player.

                    • bmerigan on 18/11/2021 - 22:39
                      +1

                      @Smol Cat: Good point about listing the history. It's just to encourage these people.

              • trapper on 18/11/2021 - 12:34
                +4

                @pegaxs: It even goes the other way in reality.

                If after a million spins one number has never come up then that actually indicates a bias against that number, the machine probably isn't fair - not properly balanced or something like that. So it's actually less likely to come up in the future.

              • bmerigan on 18/11/2021 - 22:37
                +1

                @pegaxs: Well done, this explanation covers it well.

                An example if I may:
                The mathematical number PI is an endless sequence of seemingly random numbers, yet at one point it contains nine 6s in a row. Randomness cannot be predicted.

              • svoncrumb on 21/11/2021 - 04:00
                +1

                @pegaxs: @pegaxs Large number theory is not a gambling fallacy. All games of chance obey its law. It is what casinos rely on to win! ;-)

                The failure is to not appreciate that it does not happen immediately!! Casino's have the luxury of time to wait until this happens, gamblers do not!

                • pegaxs on 21/11/2021 - 09:24

                  @svoncrumb:

                  Large number theory is not a gambling fallacy.

                  It is when it is relied upon by a gambler to "predict" what numbers are coming soon. The casino has the luxury of having hundreds of tables working 24/7. They can rack up "large numbers" of events. A single person cannot.

                  It is a fallacy to think a single punters numbers will even out in any gaming session. Gamblers think that large number theory comes in about the limit of the roulette display tree (about 10~20 number history) when it doesn't.

                  For example, they don't see the number 28 on the tree and think, "well, 28 has to drop soon", when in actual fact this is not the case. And even after 500,000 spins of there being no 28 spun up, the odds on the next spin are still the same no matter what the "Law of Averages" tells you.

                  The gamblers fallacy here is to think that a number has a higher chance of being spin based on balancing out this "Law of Averages". A roulette wheel cares not for these laws once the last spin has ended. It has no memory.

                  • MontyMacaw on 23/11/2021 - 00:00

                    @pegaxs: FYI just to clarify my referring the law of big numbers didn’t mean it should be used to gamble with. More that if anything can happen, eventually it will. Especially with a small number set of 37 numbers.

          • wannagrababargain on 19/11/2021 - 17:25
            +1

            @MontyMacaw: All the law of large numbers says about a Roulette wheel is that the longer the game is played, the more likely the casino wins. Evidence for this is that casinos are still in business.

            You might 'have fun' by finding a way that allows you to play for long periods with a 'small' investment. I have fun by occasionally putting down one big bet on one number, spin the wheel then, win or lose, walk away. I walk away either ecstatic over a big windfall or content that I am not being sucked into a law of large numbers fallacy.

      • dr on 19/11/2021 - 12:00

        Repeat after me: "today I learned about Dunning-Kruger effect"

    • cameldownunder on 18/11/2021 - 16:47

      where you use a computer or your brain to predict which quadrant ….

      Oh damn, not a secret anymore

  • Nugs on 17/11/2021 - 07:48
    +1

    Russian?
    .

    • MontyMacaw on 17/11/2021 - 07:53

      👏👏👏👏

    • bmerigan on 18/11/2021 - 22:41

      Wow, nice guess. I totally thought Asian given the time spent in casinos.

      • MontyMacaw on 23/11/2021 - 00:03

        I’m neither Russian nor Asian and that is possibly ema racist comment. My appreciation for the post was a reference to Russian Roulette.

        • bmerigan on 23/11/2021 - 08:37

          Ahh. righto.

  • gaz3342 on 17/11/2021 - 08:07
    +5

    I have some snake oil, would you be willing to trade?

  • contrafibularities on 17/11/2021 - 08:11
    +1

    I had a roulette system for a while, it involved lots of Jack Daniel’s and family birthdays. Worked really well for one night.

  • Quantumcat on 17/11/2021 - 08:13
    +2

    Please call 1800-858-858 for help

  • wiipantz on 17/11/2021 - 08:21
    +6

    Pays money… it's the Martingale system. GTFO with this nonsense. If it were a 'winning' strat you wouldn't A) sell it B) need to sell it. Also roulette… worst game in the house at least play something with some modicum of skill involved lol

    • TEER3X on 17/11/2021 - 08:34
      +2

      That system is definitely the way to go if you want to lose your life savings…. because the more money you come across, the more problems you see.

      • MontyMacaw on 17/11/2021 - 18:39

        Anybody who risks their life savings gambling deserves to lose IMHO

    • Poor Ass on 18/11/2021 - 08:45
      +1

      OP did they did they lost more than they won. They want to sell a teaching package

  • Hugh G Rection on 17/11/2021 - 08:21
    +2

    please utilise your ejector seat in your helicopter.

  • TEER3X on 17/11/2021 - 08:31

    How does the house make money?
    In simple terms it's because of the number 0, otherwise it would be even money.

    How does the house make money in blackjack given the player gets more than even money for when they achieve blackjack (the house does not) and can maximise their return/odds by splitting and doubling down, etc?
    It's because if you bust, and the dealer busts (or doesn't), the house wins.

    When beating the casino was a thing, and all sorts of books and magazines came out, the casinos made even more money because only a tiny percentage of people actually made money, among all the hype.

    If you have an unfair advantage, you can beat the casino.

    • MontyMacaw on 17/11/2021 - 08:36
      -5

      The house makes money from greed and foolishness. If the odds were in the player’s favour the house would still make money.

      • TEER3X on 17/11/2021 - 08:39
        +8

        Sorry, can't wrap my head around that one, doesn't make sense to me.

        • wiipantz on 17/11/2021 - 08:42
          +9

          Because it's ill informed rot basically.

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