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My FTTN to FTTP would cost me $13,455
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Ozbargain is a site on the internet…. It's not like we are a newspaper this is kinda in our realm of experience…. we are hardly Luddites….
This is Whirlpool-levels of insularity. Most people have never heard of FTTP.
True ignorance is living in 2020 and not know what FTTP is.
don't know why you were negged - maybe not direct value per se but you never know, plenty of buyers will be interested if they have a large family or need to run a business or work from home. Could be that buyer that pushes the next bid up at auction or more
Me neither. But then again, this is OzBargain…
@aligind4h0us3: true, I've been negged for less unexpectedly and if I were grayson71 I'd be "where do I sign?!"
I know a cashed up person with a large family that enquired about buying in my neighbourhood and discarded it because no FTTP like they have with 100mbps where they live now… they even stepped up to 1000mbps for a short while. I'd be lucky to get 12mbps so it literally just didn't work for his family's needs
I wish mine was that cheap, as a work expense I’d love to use that as a tax deduction.
I’d love to use that as a tax deduction.
Oooooo… I didn't think about that !!!
What sort of work do you do jv?
I'm guessing the ATO will class it as a capital expenditure and want depreciate it over 40 years or something…..because ATO.
If it's for business, and less than $150,000 :-)
Then you may qualify for the instant write off…
And mine is $ 27,310
Not deductible under Div 328, Div 40 or 40BB. It's capital works under Div 43 so you're stuck with 2.5% per year capital write-off.
@littlegreenman: OMG… I see… Dang it! Very helpful, thanks.
P.S. how do you know the details in such an exact manner? Are you a tax accountant or something?
Ofc,we all here understand that nothing is advice or any of that crap.
@WillKillfor5Cents: Registered tax agent and I teach tax law to qualified accountants for a living ;)
@abuch47: MRRT, PRRT GST, LCT, WET, excise, fuel tax, tobacco tax, income tax, CGT, diverted profits tax, FBT, state taxes incl. transfer duty and payroll tax (the dumbest tax on the planet)
@abuch47: Who cares about the $150k if you now have since budget night until 30 June 2022 an infinite write-off on all assets as long as you have an aggregated turnover of less than $50 million? Have a chat to your accountant and they will give you appropriate advice.
FTTC to FTTP $2,782 inc. GST for me
You must know someone to get the discount, let us in bro?$ 2,802 inc. GST for me telstra/nbn pit front of my house :(
Just DIY?
Same for me but $2808. FTTC and pit out front.
Well they do need 2 guys to do the work and 5 to stand around the pit… I assume to guard it from hackers who may try to hardwire into the connections…. So its a bargain!
Isn't FTTC can get the same speed as FTTP?
No. You can't get 250mbps or 1gbps on FTTC at the moment. Possibly in the future. But FTTP also has the advantage of being more reliable as there's no shitty copper involved at all.
@PainToad: So all these people want to get FTTP from FTTC, they desperately want to get 250 or 1000mbps connection or try to get something they can't get it for free? You know 250 mbps is like fricken expensive. lol
You know 250 mbps is like fricken expensive.
Not really if you need the net for your job.
Plus you're ignoring my point about FTTP's advantage not being limited to just speeds. It's also about reliability.
$3346 here Preston Vic FTTC to FTTP.
That's not that bad, to be honest, plenty of people would pay that for 1Gbps speeds.
You already have up to 100Mbps if you have FttC so perhaps you're happy with that - no point upgrading unless you want faster than 100Mbps.
I'm at $20,710 beat that!
Nope I'm in inner suburban Victoria with hfc
How much to get it to the top of Mt Beauty?
I don't live in Smoko. I'm on Smoko. So leave me alone.
$48,443 to upgrade from HFC to FTTP haha
i won't even bother entering my details HFC is garbage though
hfc is fine when it works. Only problem is you need retermination every 6-7years.
HFC is the same as fttp in my experience through Aussie BB. If anything, the HFC is more reliable and consistent. It all comes down to your area.
@onlinepred: Same as FTTP? Are you kidding me? You have no idea how many problems with the outdated HFC technology.
@leetec: All I am saying is from first hand experience. We have lived in 2 homes with HTTP and 2 with HFC. I was able to achieve mostly the same download and latency on 1gb plan. I'm talking about first hand experience, not technical knowledge.
@onlinepred: stop telling people your first hand experience, it doesn't mean much to real world. The first hand experience in the real world is for certein amout of data sample, not just a handful of case.
@leetec: Okay…. You took my own experience out of context, misquoted me, and basically saying real world use doesn't matter. Good for you?
@onlinepred: HFC is NOT better than FttP (Fibre to the Premises), that's actually technically impossible. You do know the difference, right?
Perhaps you meant to say HFC is better than FttN, which is possible in most cases.HFC is NOT better than FttP (Fibre to the Premises)
Why?
It can adequately deliver all residential NBN speed tiers, and can even deliver gigabit speeds using Docsis 3.1that's actually technically impossible
Really?
The HFC cable is more robust than a fibre optic cable so is technically superior if it is in a place where it might be crushed or kinked.
It's also easier to terminate and does not require specialised equipment.
I'm sure there are other benifits to a HFC cable too@spaceflight: My HFC is great too. Not sure why people bag it so much when it’s capable of 1 gbit.
Very happy with it.
@Poolprouk: Because people have no clue what they are taking about. I've had network admins complain they are getting HFC, hating life, end of the world stuff, then they get our and love it. It's so stupid.
@spaceflight: Haha, yeah okay, that's why HFC is being phased out all over the world and being replaced with fibre directly into the home.
HFC is FIBRE to a NODE, then distributed over copper (coax) and all bandwidth is shared from the HFC node. A single node usually is shared over 1500 to 2000 premises, so it's impossible to maintain speeds on HFC, because if everyone in peak is watching Netflix 4K at the same time, online gaming etc, speeds are slowed to each home, this is even why NBN say HFC has "burst speeds" with typical evening speeds of 750Mbps because HFC cannot maintain speeds, a technical limitation of HFC. My fibre service is consistently 930 to 950 Mbps, no matter what time of the day (provided your RSP buys enough bandwidth "CVC") I have an ACCC Sam Knows speed monitor, so it's easy to see my speeds over the day/week/month.HFC in Australia cannot provide all speed tiers at all, do you even know what all the speed tiers are on NBN? HFC is prone to regular dropouts, just speak with any of the NBN workers or someone you might know personally that works for an RSP! You may be lucky on yours, but it's a major issue….
https://help.iinet.net.au/troubleshooting-nbn-hfc-dropouts#:…
https://crowdsupport.telstra.com.au/t5/home-broadband/hfc-nb…
https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2792844
https://yescrowd.optus.com.au/t5/NBN/Ongoing-internet-dropou…
http://myhelp.westnet.com.au/Troubleshooting_NBN_HFC_for_Dro…I have FttP in my home and upload at 400Mbps, HFC cannot even get close to this (50Mbps max).
Fibre also allows for up to 4 separate internet connections from the NTU in your home, great for shared homes or a backup service for when an RSP is having technical issues.
Fibre is the backbone of all broadband networks worldwide because it provides the fastest possible speeds of any technology available.
Fibre feeds your HFC, up to the HFC node, fibre feeds FttN up to the cabinet (Then DSL to your home), Fibre to the Curb, up to the footpath then over the traditional copper into the home, Fibre to the Basement in some older apartments then DSL into the home), fibre feeds most (not all) mobile phone towers, including 4G and 5G, because it's the fastest technology available.
Technically, FttP can provide 10Gbps into a home with no physical upgrade to the actual fibre inside your home itself (future proofed).
Fibre is what connects every country in the world via submarine cables because it's the fastest, lowest ping and latency.
So you think a hybrid system is still superior?
Is HFC better than FttN, yes, absolutely, because once it is all upgraded it will allow for faster speeds than FttN and doesn't suffer slower speeds due to distance (signal drops) from the node that DSL (FttN) does.
You said "The HFC cable is more robust than a fibre optic cable so is technically superior" Well you're in trouble then, aren't you? Because fibre feeds your HFC node, your phone towers, and ALL traffic past your HFC node. ooops, there is no avoiding fibre… I wonder why that is!
@onlinepred: Hmm, it's you again… So interesting the consistency with which you argue against well established facts.
This answer isn't really directed to you, it's for anyone who happens to come across your post - while I'm willing to be pleasantly surprised by you accepting the logical, factual information provided by others on here, history suggests you're just going to reject this.
HFC is technically incapable of supporting anything like the performance of fibre. But just from an NBN perspective:
Most HFC connected premises can't currently connect at anything faster than 100/40. That's due to a number of factors from line length to complexity of the local loop to signal noise. I've checked with ABB for dozens of premises in the last couple of months all over Perth metro, only two of those were able to achieve the 250/25 speed tier (which is a step back IMO as you lose the 40mbps upload). NONE of them could get any faster. It's lovely you have a unicorn connection, but most HFC customers don't have any such luck. NBN Co have committed to addressing this over the next three years as part of the $5bn upgrade, but importantly they're not committing to HFC premises being able to achieve 1gbps, only access to their 'ultrafast' tier, which is 500mbps or greater download speed (and no committment for minimum uploads). By their own admission only 25% of the network is currently at that point.
HFC is also shared at between 200 and 300 to one contention ratios. Optus's old HFC cable had 800:1, which is why that network upgrade was eventually rejected by NBN Co - it was simply too expensive and difficult to retrofit it. The only way to reduce these contention ratios is to run new fibre to a new node, and split the loop so each half only serves half as many premises per fibre backhaul. This is important because even if NBN Co upgrade (I mean, patch up) the HFC so it's capable of delivering their ultrafast tier, unless they dramatically reduce the contention ratios that's actually going to make things worse, as people will be trying to pull larger volumes of data down the same cable at the same time, a cable that is simply incapable of providing multi-gigabit bandwidth which is what would be required to serve hundreds of premises during high traffic periods.
HFC is inherently unreliable. All it takes to take the entire local loop out is for someone to connect a dodgy TV to a coax bayonet in their house, or a kid with hitting one with a toy hammer behind the couch. There was an article in the news earlier this year about a whole town in the UK having their Internet disconnected every time one of the residents turned on their TV - something like 4,000 homes without Internet, and this went on for 18 months before they eventually worked out the cause. No matter what you do with HFC, it will always be susceptible to problems like this.
HFC also needs to be powered (GPON doesn't), it is susceptible to water ingress (fibre isn't), it corrodes (glass never will), it's susceptible to signal noise (glass isn't) and variability in cable quality and the quality of taps (connections or joins) has tremendous impact on signal quality (fibre doesn't have any variability - it either works or it doesn't).
So your claim that HFC is 'more reliable' is clearly false, as is the claim that it's 'more consistent'. Yes, there's huge variability in the quality of a particular local loop, however in the absence of a laboratory setting, every HFC cable is susceptible to all of these reliability and consistency issues. Because: facts.
@TrevorX: I think you need to read it again. I never said anything you quoted me on. I just said in my experience. I am currently getting 960+ down and 38 up on my HFC.
In Sydney we had FTTP in two seperate houses. Come 5pm to 10pm, the internet for the whole block would grind to max 10mbps. Does this mean FTTP is slow? No. Does this mean HFC is better? No. Nothing to do with it. It's all the other factors that play into what you get.
Currently I have HFC to the curb, and fibre to my house. I have zero drop outs, never been disconnected since it was established. I don't get slow downs. I get the same speed give or take a few MBPS that I had on FTTP.
I entirely understand the technicalities, which was what I was talking about. There will always be cases of issues with various implementations.
Thanks?
Yes, HFC is still garbage even it's better than FTTN. It's the second problematic connection on the notorious Liberal's NBN.
@leetec: I was having >10 dropouts on HFC per day, my FTTN hasn't dropped out in more than 2 months …
(On FTTN I only rebooted the modem myself because a device couldn't connect to wifi)With FTTN it depends on how far you are from the node.
$ 13,146 to upgrade from HFC to FTTP for me. The HFC pit is 20m away…. Currenlty on 250Mbps and getting ~274Mbps during peak/off peak times. Not complaining!!
NBN are progressively rolling out Gigabit on HFC by late 2021.
Nearly 47000 for me. HFC here.
nasty. just under 21K for my HFC.
Just received one for 32k
$32,964 inc. GST for me. Has anyone tried asking Optus how much it would cost to install a 5G tower?
$1.5m if you got the land. That's what we used to pay… (well they would usually do a bundle, 4000 mobile services, and buy 3 towers, get the 4th free…)
I'm also in inner suburban Melbourne with HFC, "only" $7,923 for me though.
But I've had four scheduled maintenance since October, so presumably my HFC NBN should be just about perfect now…!
I’m at $15,364 and paid my invoice two weeks ago.
$ 15,252 what a joke
$14924
Dupe
I don't even want to quote. Saved $xxxxxxxxxx
Anyone have a spare measly $28,619?
Makes our $18,992 sound reasonable
Im at $ 13,478 inc. GST
nbn is expensive enough as it is. What a joke the Libs are.
Can blame Rupert Murdoch for the shambles of a system that is the Australian NBN
Liberal party
Murdoch media
Cucks
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Not that simple, Rudd used to coach Murdoch for his political agenda but got bitter once he got shafted
@lgacb08: Rudd met with Murdoch because he was a media giant and if you want to have a chance in politics it seems like you need to meet with Murdoch. Wasn't Murdoch already super successful? If so, I doubt Rudd was his coach.
@dmac: It's nonsense that's why.
Murdoch doesn't need coaching from anyone. He's been around for decades longer than Rudd and what do these Muppets think he needed coaching on?
His whole media profile was to hide behind his enormous wealth and manipulate governments with his media empire.
There's a reason he was able to predict every election for decades and it's not because he's Nostradamus.
Rudd was working for DFAT prior to his positions in the Labour party.
His expertise is in foreign policy and relations, he's a career diplomate, so I'd love to know what "coaching" he was giving a media mogul with his own government relations team.
Change to nbn™ Fibre to the Premises (FTTP)
Cost $ 10,757 inc. GST$ 10,649 inc. GST
Im ready for 5G.
Oh, quite surprising as I was expecting more as I'm in an apartment complex ($13,148 inc. GST).
$2,643… do I go ahead?
Or just embrace 5G in maybe a year or less time.
You can't reach the lower latency (ping time) as fiber.
Ah fair point
As a point of reference, the telephone pit is on my nature strip, less than 2 metres from my house. Based on this, it's still expensive.
Mine is about 3m and the cost is $ 3,410
Mine is 2 metres and $11,795.00.
FML
Piller out front of my place as well and they want $8200!!! What BS
if you work from home, just claim it on tax!
This is Whirlpool-levels of insularity. Most people have never heard of FTTP.