Hey guys,
So my mother got in the mail a fine for going 10km/h or under on a road from a mobile speed camera at night, this was approx at 8pm. Fine state she was going 56km/h in a 50 zone.
Upon checking her dash cam on the road, there were no warning signs at all and I advised she should contest it with her dash cam evidence.
Has anyone contested this kind of fine with video evidence?
Should she contest it?
Thanks
is this so that OP wont be able to buy OzBargain deals, leaving us with more chances?
I had no fines for 10 years.. i called the number on the fine i received in the phone and they gave me a caution and i paid no fine or lost any points.
You can do this every 10 years :) . my driving record still shows this caution on it.. but ZERO fines or points lost.
THIS will not work if its even 1 month under 10 years lol.. friend had 9 years 11 months and they said NO! to him
Do you know if this would this include things like council parking fines, or just no demerit incurring fines for 10 years?
I think she'll be fine …
If she hasn’t had a fine in the past few years, write a letter in and ask them to waive it
It is 10 years in NSW.
I am guessing your mother is not in NSW though, as they do not issue a fine if only 6kms only.
Victoria do, and actually state this (where NSW do not formally state the cut off for speeding).
56km is pretty rough. I think you should contest it if your time permits.
Maybe this is how the government plan to get us out of recession.
Hey, may the government could sell the speed cameras to a foreign interest, to get a short term bump of cash?
NSW do issue fines for doing 56 in 50 zone. One of my friends got a fine for doing 55 in 50 zones, although it was about 10 years ago so not sure if rules have changed since then
if she got fined for 56kph then she would have been doing 61kph.
Not only is it 10 years but it is 10 years of having a full licence. P plates don't count.
I got done for 17km/h over coming down the M1 and the cop said you got nothing on your record so just pop online and you can submit a claim to have it just a warning. I did just that but got declined because unfortunately I only had my full licence for 9 years and 10 months…. So fustrating.
Now I just use cruise control set at the speed limit.
I robbed my local 7-11 recently and got arrested????
there were no signs saying I can't hold the owner at gunpoint!
Can I contest my 3 years jail time at the court????
Why would you do that to have it revised to the usual 5 years?
Im guessing this was due to the attendant hiding one of their freebie offers?..
Are you his mum?
That post was extremely funny, insightful, and relevant. If this is not you being cranky, get professional help before you start getting cranky.
What an unhelpful, irrelevant and just plain unfunny silly post, negged.
No, I'm not overly cranky today IMO.
127…..wow!…..at least you flagged your neg ashanrath….must be something to do with being clearheaded and not cranky heh heh.
3 years.?????
Armed robbery in his joke of a justice system, would normally get you less than 6 months and don't do it again.
Slap on the wrist if you have dependents… kids are the ultimate defence.
Yes you can!!!!
Feel free to bankrupt your family on frivolous challenges!!!
I whole heartedly encourage you!!!!!!!
Please start a new poll.
Maybe video makes a difference?
Only if you haven't committed another armed robbery in the last 10 years.
3 years? If you shoot Apu it should just be a $100 fine.
This is the perfect comment to explain ozbargain to an outsider. Both the comment and the voting. Ozbargain think wrong is right.
Did they take away signs for mobile speed camera? I remember years back, maybe like 5 years+ back, I remember mobile speed cameras had signs. Did they change the policy?
I don’t think there ever was signs for mobile cameras only fixed cameras.
The cops can pull up anywhere they like with a mobile camera, they’re not going to put temporary signs up every time
Even if the cops carried temporary signs, they would never be able to figure out how to set them up.
Drove past a mobile speed camera about 10 mins ago (near Newcastle, NSW.) It had a sign about 200m away, another one about 30m away and then a final one telling you that your speed had been checked about 30m past the camera vehicle that stuck out like a sore thumb…
They definitely have signs for mobile speed cameras.
@kerfuffle: This is correct. Those RMS mobile road side do have only 1 SMALL blue sign they put on the ground about 100 metres from the actual car they sit in (in the same direction as the car). Whereas the highway patrol does not need to display such sign. I think it is worth contest/speak to lawyer if the RMS one did not put up the sign (check carefully).
@kerfuffle: Not in South Australia. They stopped using them a few years back in case a motorist attacked a speed check car occupant. Not that any had been, just the nanny state we live in here.
Cop cars don’t use cameras. Camera cars are special camera only vehicles and they must have warning signs in NSW
@Euphemistic: When the plods were using warning signs on the Gold Coast they were always consistently about 2 metres in front of the cop car. In other words it was only done to comply but not in the spirit of the law they swore to uphold. I don’t think the use signs in QLD any longer at least I have not seen any for quite some time.
@Hedgehog: It's why I drive with Google maps on most days, as there are good warning indicators for speed cameras on its routes.
There is a difference between mobile speed cameras and a police car on the side of the road. Mobile speed cameras are contractors, not police, and are meant to have warning signs in nsw.
@Tonyh87: And they measure out where the signs go. Because it’s written into the rules, it has to be right or fines get contested. I’ve seen one being set up with a measuring wheel.
In NSW. Other stares are different.
Mobile speed cameras have signs. If they haven't got signs then the camera isn't IAW the rules and the fine should be contested
Where do you live?
In NSW, this is worth writing to NSW Revenue for a review, and the Transport/Roads Minister if unsuccessful. It is inconsistent with their 'high visibility enforcement' policy which only exists in NSW, and would be politically damaging if they were accused of not sticking to this (it implies that the government are trapping motorists).
Basically the idea is that camera enforcement is extremely visible (preceded by 3 speed camera signs/1 red light speed camera sign at intersections), so anyone caught speeding has absolutely no excuse and the 'revenue raising' argument is invalid if someone sails past three large signs saying "SPEED CAMERA AHEAD" and then gets done for it.
There are some inconsistencies in its application, but you are always given a warning of the existence of a camera. I think school zone cameras are a bit of a farce because the non-school times limit is not clearly displayed - and people doing 60 in 50 zones (which feel like 60 zones due to their layout) during non-school hours get done for it.
In all other states, fat chance of getting this overturned. The ones which operate mobile cameras have strict speed limit enforcement to try and get you to slow down…which is a bit more unfair IMO than the NSW system.
I often get really worked up when whingeing bastards in NSW seem to think that 'revenue raising' and Nazi levels of speed enforcement happens in this state, when in reality you're only likely to get caught if you're completely distracted/zoned out from the task of driving. If you sail past 3 camera signs that say 'SPEED CAMERA AHEAD' and then proceed to go through over the speed limit, you need your eyes checked. I'd also wager that someone who ignores speed camera signs would be the same idiot who ignores other much more important signage, and then when they are stuck in a sticky situation (like driving into a tunnel closed by fire because they ignored the electronic closure signs and traffic lights), they'll bitch and moan about there not being enough signage. That sentiment has only spread here because of national politics leaking through national media (good old Today Tonight/ACA back in the day), and many people don't have a clue about how different states have different laws/policies.
I have driven past many mobile cameras in VIC, and never seen a sign for it. The only way I was able to found about mobile cameras ahead, is that Google Navigation alerted me. I don't think they necessarily put up a sign for mobile camera. Victoria police can set them up anywhere they want. I have mostly found them during rush hour.
I don't know if you remember the wipe out 5 campaign they used to run like 15 plus years ago.
Wipe out 5. Wipe out lives.
Totally reasonable to be fined 6km over.
Where do you draw the line
Indeed, totally reasonable, no way they do this to raise revenue, surprised ops mothers car didn't burst into flames and kill all the puppies and children within a 10km radius the moment it went over 50.
Won’t someone think of the children and puppies!
Nah, that's not correct.
In NSW the mobile cameras do have warning signs.
I don't believe that's the case in all other states.
Normal practice in NSW is supposed to be to have signs for mobile cameras (but not in the ACT or Victoria). But there's no actual law that says they have to, and the contractors have incentive in the form of performance payments to "forget" them. So the lack of signs is no grounds to get the fine waived.
If your Mum has a clean driving record write a grovelling letter for her asking for mercy; you'll probably get it for such a minor offence. I wouldn't mention the lack of signs - its just going to irritate someone and make it less likely to be waived.
I see the signs for mobile cameras in NSW all the time. They are always on the side of the car, so I dont know if that means that only the side of the road that can read the signs are getting monitored.
No the mobile ones have mobile signs before and after in nsw.
Mobile Speed Camera's definitely have signs in NSW drove past one the other day and saw the signs
Signs are still there for mobile cameras. I witnessed one last night in Five Dock.
Upon checking her dash cam on the road, there were no warning signs at all and I advised she should contest it with her dash cam evidence.
Warning signs huh, i think NSW was the only state to still have them… they may have changed this as everywhere else no such rule. At the end of the day, she was over the speed limit for that area, contest it if she has a clean record and you'll get off with a warning.
Should she contest it?
No harm in trying to contest it even though she was over the limit, if her record is clean they may just issue you with a warning. instead. I've had a fine withdrawn as my record was clean.
Default speed limit where there are no signs is 50.
https://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/safety-rules/road-rules/spe…
I think OP is referring to the speed camera warning signs.
Except if it's highway patrol and they can be anywhere, even in suburbs.
ya government should send you message whenever they instal a new camera
… plus mobile flashing red and blue lights installed 300 metres before the camera.
I'm in WA where we stopped having warning signs years ago.
Although if they're required in NSW then its bit dodgy that there aren't any warning signs to signal the presence of a speed camera, not sure if it's legally enforceable though.
Definitely was talk of removing them November 2019 but it doesn't look like anything eventuated from it.
so the issue here is she was speeding and no one told her to slow down because a camera was up ahead?
right…
so… speeding… what else matters?
I think the question here is whether putting signs out for mobile speed camera's is a requirement or a courtesy.
bingo
I think back in the dark ages when roadside cameras came out then the signs were a courtesy to get people used to/aware of the new enforcement tool.
Now, if you don't know they have cameras then you really should hand your licence back and take the bus.
Hilarious that people want to speed 99% of the time and be given a heads up for the other 1%
I'm against speeding in traffic but when it's 11pm on the freeway with no cars in sight going 110 does feel a bit slow ;)
Honestly so does going 500km/h on a plane. Just put it on cruise and enjoy.
Rest of Australia: Speeding camera warning signs
Us in W.A: Wait, you guys are getting warning signs?
TIL.
Unless things have changed in the last few years, there are none used in Victoria either and they were using non-descript, covert vehicles.
In NSW, they put out signs and cover the car in a very distinctive set of decals so that you know it’s a camera car.
they were using non-descript, covert vehicles
The dude asleep in the passenger seat with his feet up on the dash usually gives them away.
… plus the empty donut and Maccas packaging tossed out of the window.
cover the car in a very distinctive set of decals
Possibly (as mentioned by other commenters) due to it being a RMS vehicle rather than NSW Police.
Can't you still use radar detectors in WA?
Not in Victoria either (for mobile cameras)
No point in having signs. In SA for example they were supposed to have signs (way back when I lived there), but it wasn't stipulated where the signs should be, so they normally place them 50 or so M after the camera.
In WA we are allowed to use radar detectors id desired.
In WA pretty sure it's a sport for the operators to be as camouflaged as possible - I've seen some pretty impressive traps.
I'll happily take that over having to pay tolls though.
Why does she need a warning sign? Why is she speeding?
Exactly she'd be fine if she followed the sign posted speed LIMITS. They are there for a reason and should be adhered too, not just for you to speed when there are no cameras around.
A warning sign is required in nsw for mobile cameras. No idea where ops mum is situated but they can by all means contest the fine.
"A warning sign is required in nsw for mobile cameras"
No it's not. It is usual practice to have them (unlike most other states), but there's no actual law that requires them so it won't invalidate the fine.
@derrida derider: I think its debateable based on point 4.
Not saying im okay with people using this to defend themselves but i think it could be used to turn over the fine.
How long do you keep your dashcam footage for?
I'd also like an answer to this.
Might depend on the memory size.. i have a 64 gb in mine.. so until it's recorded over for me.
I back them up to my expansion drive.
Perhaps OP’s Mum only drives once in a blue moon, hour or two a week.
Qld gets Wall.E with no warnings. Enjoy your signs.
Wall E takes checks speed from behind (and has higher tolerance) so if you don’t spot one of those you’ve got yourself to blame
Warning sign…lol
So you can speed as much as you want and only stop speeding when you see a warning sign?
What a great idea.
Wish we had them in Vic where we can get fined for 3km/h over the limit plus gain demerit points also.
in Vic where we can get fined for 3km/h over the limit
That's not true - the measured speed is adjusted down by 3km/h first.
For fixed digital cameras the measured speed is adjusted down by 2km/h for speed limits under 100km/h and 3km/h for speed limits 100km/h and above.
The OP said it was a mobile speed camera, not a fixed camera.
I haven't seen any mobile camera warning signs in VIC but Google Maps shows such places sometimes.
They publish a list of approved mobile speed camera locations https://www.camerassavelives.vic.gov.au/camera-locations but it isn't very precise.
be a good son and pay for her fine. then we can all continue finding bargain here