$2K lower than last years offering on the hybrid H6 variants. Another good option for those seeking a midsize SUV, great specs for the price for brand new.
GWM Haval H6: Lux Hybrid from $36990 (Was $38990), Ultra Hybrid from $40990 (Was $42990) Driveaway @ GWM
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Is this bait? No alternator, no starter motor, eCVT, hybrids much more reliable than a traditional ICE car mate.
I agree with you, but some still prefer a bit of both
@Mortgagetightass: I also agree, but it's not just 'some' who prefer hybrids - almost 4 times as many hybrid or PHEV sales as EVs last year
https://www.drive.com.au/news/electric-car-sales-stall-in-au…
@PhilToinby: A big chunk of people willing to consider EVs aren't in a living situation to make it seamless.
Left leaning, younger, CBD (or inner burbs), renting(/early into mortgage/family).
Hybrids start cheaper and have no other barrier to entry- even understanding the maintenance (even if there's more that goes wrong in terms of working parts).
I fit into the first 4, and I'd love my next car to be an EV.
@PhilToinby: Yeah, that counts regent braking as a hybrid along with plug in hybrids. A hybrid rav 4 is not in nearly the same league as a hybrid prius or shark which can actually just use the electric drive train. Really a hybrid that doesn't get plugged in for some electric range should just be counted as ICE not hybrid. (in my opinion).
@Dsiee: They are, they just don't sell them here. Look up the Rav4 Prime. Plug in hybrid, falls back to being a normal hybrid, like 50% more power. Dream car.
Not, EVs aren't worth it yet so we can't just get an EV. The Haval H6 Ultra hybrid costs $41k drive away and goes 1,100km on a 61L tank of fuel but the cheapest Tesla Model Y costs $63k and can only travel 450km on a charge (Even less at highway speeds, just a measly 325km). You'll never recoup the cost of your "petrol savings" unless you drive 50,000km/year as your annual insurance fees and up front cost is through the roof.
@Joey2scoops: I'm someone who is under 30, renting without on site charging, living in inner Sydney, who has owned a Model Y for a year now.
Anyone looking at total $ figures or total KM travelled from an RIO perspective in most cases has not driven an electric car. I travel a lot, and the few times I've been forced into hiring a hybrid or ICE car, it's been a jaring experience. Loud, terrible acceleration and driving experience, horrible user system, and crazy expensive to fill up.
I'd much prefer to spend my time driving something that feels like its from 2024/25 rather than the experience of driving a car that feels like its from 2005. 500km in a Telsa or any new electrics are not the same as 500km in a cheap ICE. I drive a BYD Seal for work and that's a terrific car. That's before you consider the growth in the technology in infrastructure.
If all you care about is $ and ROI and not that you have to spend hours of your life in and driving your car, you shouldn't be buying new anyway.
lots me at eCVT… better than CVT. Yes, but that's not hard.
Lol psycho
Oxenfree123
I agree in most cases.
There are too many idiots buying non PHEV hybrids with no idea of what the pros and cons are.
They suit some situations, and are ridiculous wastes of money in other situations.
Interesting car, had one to do some designs with the other week. has a lot of tech and comforts for the price. not sure if i liked the gearbox/motor though. felt a bit rough at low speeds.
Not tuned for fuel efficiency. Good for overtaking.
0 - 100km in 8.5s doesn't sound that fast either.
I'm doing around 5.6L/100km at the moment, mainly on local road not really highway yet, and having it for 3 months now. Getting over 800KM range before the refuel light comes on.
Agreed, I've driven the H6 Ultra hybrid for 10 months now and I'm averaging 5.55L/100km. To be fair, I'm just driving myself with light work tools, not the entire family yet. Amazing value for money and way better technology than the Hilux or RAV4 at a fraction of the price. The furthest I've driven it without refuelling was 1023km over a period of 2 months. That extra 1L/100km fuel saving you get from a Toyota hybrid isn't worth it because the RAV4 hybrid cruiser costs $56k and has inferior technology. You'll never recoup your petrol savings.
RAV4 hybrid cruiser costs $56k and has inferior technology.
Lol…you're talking about one of the top selling cars of 2024. No it doesn't have inferior technology. If you're talking about intrusive Chinese safety systems, like driver monitoring system that constantly beep at you and are annoying at best, most people actually rather not have these.
Also, why are you comparing 2WD Haval H6 with RAV4 AWD Cruiser? RAV4 GX 2WD Hybrid is available from $47K driveaway and Yaris Cross GX 2WD Hybrid from $35K driveaway.
@supersabroso: Cute. 2WD Vs AWD son.
Also, savings and G..Whatever it's called. May God be with you when you're selling this Chinese tin box.@supersabroso: Calling RAV4 inferior to this car is a bit of a stretch mate. RAV4 is an excellent car, if you don't like it that's okay. Be happy with what you've got. RAV4 has always been popular, renowned for its reliability and now even better and refined with hybrid technology. I love hybrid cars whether Chinese or Japanese but wouldn't call 30 years plus Toyota hybrid experience is mere 'inferior' lol. Besides Toyota Corolla Cross hybrid isn't as expensive as RAV4 and only tad smaller. I drive mine almost all the time with family and at least 80% on highways, I get 4.8 L/100 km without fail (little over the claimed economy). But fuel economy isn't the only thing I love about that car. 0-100 is 7.6 S (which is not bad for an SUV) and the ADAS (driver assistance, lane keep assist and most importantly lane centering) is AMAZING (I'm saying this after testing lane centering of many cars including Tesla).
Good
How long till the Japanese and Koreans start dropping their prices…
Doubt they will drop much as people will still prefer to buy for their established brands and perceived reliability and resale values.
but if the car is a lot cheaper outright, helps with the potential for massive depreciation.
I see MG3's 19K brand new with 10 year warranty, sure it's meh, but even in 5-7 years they'll still go for 10-12K
They will not be going for $10-12k in 5-7 years.
@brendanm: GWM has upped their quality massively in the models I've driven. They have a few design oversights, but they seem better put together than the other Japanese and Korean cars I have driven over the last few years.
@brendanm: I see. Check out this 2017 MG MG3 Core Manual.
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2017-mg-mg3-core-ma…
Lol, they won't be around in 5-7 years that's the problem. Chinese cars are basically landfill and don't have a resale value as most people are suspicious of them even new.
10 year warranty is great until you try and utilise it, they'll find a way out of it for sure.
@AuQld: I really really hope you're wrong. I drive a byd seal and I am absolutely sceptical until proven otherwise at the end of lease in 5 years maybe.. I hate the idea the batteries and motors are all fine but all the electrics have failed for example and replacements aren't even a thing. That would be an environmental tragedy.
Chinese cars are basically landfill and don't have a resale value as most people are suspicious of them even new.
Pretty much. Look at the idea of cars in China. You get a new car at any cost, just because of the idea of a new car, and it's absolute rubbish.
These cars are selling for a fraction of what they do in Aus in China, because they're throwaway
Lol, they won't be around in 5-7 years that's the problem
old Chinese cars were truly crap, they had no volume to stay afloat or stick around.
this might be their bet chance yet to stick around. i think if you stick to more established ones like GWM, MG and BYD it should be OK.
Are these long warranties real warranties though or is everything excluded?
Wonder how difficult a warranty repair will be in the later years, I can see the owner having a real fight on their hands to get anything done.
@shutuptakemymoney101: I can't imagine you getting any sort of coverage for parts 6 out of 7 years into a warranty period, assuming the company is still around (hello, Chery).
@shutuptakemymoney101: The 10y warranty is a full warranty. Just like a Kia 7 year warranty parts that wear will be excluded, but if the engine goes, anything with the electrical propulsion, even certain paint defects are allegedly covered right to the end.
Sure shocks, tyres, consumables they'll wiggle out of, but I'd be surprised if you had trouble with getting a major failure fixed.
Full disclosure: I'm currently sorting out an MG HS PHEV which has been poorly delivered. It's new old stock.
My warranty experience so far has been good. Some oxidation of roof rails they took care of, seat covers weren't right on delivery and there are new ones waiting for me. Currently working on getting a hum sorted at highway speeds. I suspect a tyre issue.
That said I'd rather not have to deal with warranty!
I'd like to add that I'm a Toyota fan, but a new Kluger we got a few years ago had many rattles they couldn't find and fix. I did it myself.
@sillycattle: Not quite mate, it's not a full warranty for the full time period.
Try and find the warranty T&C's (this might be hard).
Many brands exclude more and more items each year.
Ie, Mazda covers batteries for 3 years, shocks for full 5 years.
Nissan battery warranty is 1 year, trim pieces on case by case (meaning 90% of the time, no unless its very new).@sillycattle: Not uncommon to find many problems in new cars, esp. in newly released models.
Manufacturers love people who have low expectations around handling and NVH, let alone drivetrain engineering and integration/steering/chassis performance.
I've driven lots of newer cars in the market today and been shocked at how disconnected and anaesthetised they feel. Not to mention poorly engineered/integrated the mechanicals can be.
Given the life expectancy of most ICE and EV cars these days, I guess it is no surprise. It is precisely the same as how the consumer market managed to devolve printers from reliable, fast devices, to cheap crappy ones that stop working after one or two reams of paper.
People prefer to buy them so much they're going out of business and have to merge to stay afloat?
There's a latency before people's perceptions change. And the Australian market is particularly brand-loyal. But with cost of living being what it is, and so many new brands flooding the market with value-for-money cars, that may change by necessity. I still can't believe the price of a basic Japanese/Korean hatchback today compared to just over a decade ago.
There's a latency before people's perceptions change.
and it is decreasing year by year…
@Make it so: Correct. If you ask me, we gave Ford and Holden 10 more years than they deserved in this country.
@tightm8: What baffled me is that Opel was forced to make an exit shortly after re-entering Australia because nobody would buy them, despite being effectively the same cars as Holdens. They're good cars, with a large market share in Europe.
Yeah like people are going to pay $10-20k more for a Corolla just to go work with and when the used car market is flooded for the prestige of a Toyota.
they can't lower prices as their expenses high so they will just disappear or will use penalty tariffs to protect their domestic market like USA and Europe already do against chinese EV
Japanese are use to ripping off their 'loyal' customers.
Skimping on as many options as possible, what a piss take
perceived reliability
LOL
Agreed Toyota is in dream land if they think they don't have to drop there prices & I drive a Toyota now & always have but I've been looking to buy a new vehicle & Toyota is over the top on price now 3rd on my list .
Yes Toyota over price and quality has also dropped. Still good but not as great as before
They aren't interested in price wars…
They already have, more importantly, this capped them off. These Chinese cars are a god send as every other brand has started dropping/stopped raising their prices. We were getting ripped off badly due to COVID, this has reversed the tide.
This has great show room appeal. The H6 with the hybrid turbo is heaps smooth. Big cabin with all the bells and whistles. But reliability of the turbo petrol engine and hybrid pairing is the big unknown though. Also, a lame infotainment unit with no buttons/dials. The 7 year warranty will swing some to purchase none the less!
Hybrid turbo?
… which model is that?
"The H6 Hybrid is powered by a 1.5-litre four-cylinder turbocharged petrol engine that pairs with a 130kW electric motor and a 1.8kWh battery."
So….. if you use all that electric motor power (which surely you would at some time, otherwise what's the point of carrying it round)…. if you discharged your giant 1.8KWh battery to 0%, it would give you extra power for 50 seconds, before it's dead flat.
Are we talking about something used for off street drag racing….. or an overpowered piece of machinery that is pointless?@rooster7777: Someone correct me if I'm wrong but the Toyota Camry and RAV4 hybrid also uses a battery of a similar size and is known for it's great fuel efficiency. And for Toyotas in Australia, they're not even plug in… straight petrol and regen power.
@Bignudge: So they're all crap? (urban traffic jams/ long hills excepted) And if they can make a non PHEV with "great fuel efficiency"…. imagine how much better if the threw out the hybrid parts and just made them as ICE.
@rooster7777: No, they're awesome… I was saying how a small battery can bring big benefits.
Gotta hit it where it hurts cause for 100% of drivers you lose a crap tonne of energy slowing down whether it be for the red light, going down a long hill, or a caravan suddenly changing into your lane and sitting 10km/h below the limit for a brief period. Everytime you touch that brake peddle or keep out the clutch… energy is wasted. Imagine if you could harness most of that energy slowing down to get back to speed again?
And for PHEVs, I disagree with them as it doesn't make sense to lug around a battery that big and heavy… and to also bring a petrol engine that almost never gets used (if the car is used correctly).
@Bignudge: Good to hear you're having fun with your non PHEV hybrid. A lot of drivers anticipate traffic stopped ahead and roll, and if you have long hills (like 1000M descent) then you've got a case. If you frequently have to hit your brakes you're doing something wrong. How long do your disc pads/ discs last? Dunno what "every time you keep out the clutch" means.
PHEVs… how big and heavy do you think a PHEV battery is? A battery of 20KWhs gives significant range, and probably weighs less than 200Kg. Remember that you put petrol in your car all the time to weigh it down, so you can burn it to charge your battery.
"To bring a petrol engine that almost never gets used if the car is used correctly" WTF? If you're only driving 50 or 100 Km between charging, then don't buy a PHEV- buy an EV.
If you want to use cheap or free or renewable energy, then buy a PHEV. If you want to travel more than say 100 Km, up to unlimited range…. then just drive your car like an ICE (or one of those silly non PHEVs)… both of which gain their power from burning petrol.
@rooster7777: So, to summarise…
- If you drive mostly on flat motorways, get a PHEV.
- If you drive mostly in the mountains, get a non-PHEV.
- If you drive mostly in a city, get an EV.
Is that it?
@wisdomtooth: Sort of…..
Much of what I was discussing was scenarios that have advantages for PHEV vs those that have advantages for non PHEV…. if someone is committed to buying one or the other.
None of those scenarios mean an EV would be unsuitable. (But long distance remote rural travelling may not suit EVs, depending on charging facilities)But to clarify your summary… flat land (doesn't have to be a high speed "motorway") without stop start reduces benefits of non PHEV, but suits PHEV.
If you have a regular route where you drive from a high area down to a low area daily, and vice versa, then there are advantages for a non PHEV. (on a few occasions I've lived and commuted on roads that were 300 metres or more higher at one end than the other, using engine decompression and brakes on the way down, and trudging trudging on the way back up)
If you never need the vehicle to travel long distance, and do a lot of stop start city driving, a basic EV is perfect.Were you setting a little trap for me to walk into…. or really aren't familiar with the topic? I mean, moore's law and early female puberty causes aren't things often heard in casual conversation. By the way, has moore's law been the subject of legislative amendments to reflect the law of diminishing returns…. or does it retain its validity from so long ago?
@rooster7777: No, it's called a hybrid for a reason. It's not an EV so it'll never discharge that EV battery at maximum power for 50 seconds to get you to 400km/hr. It uses a different combination of both the petrol & electric engines depending on the situation. Eg. At a red light or low speeds below 40km/hr it'll be 100% electric, at speeds of 110km/hr it'll be 100% petrol.
The H6 Ultra hybrid only costs an extra $5k on top of the petrol version ($36k) and it drives a lot more smoothly providing a 40% fuel saving with 1,100km of range so it's got value for money. PHEVs (extra $14k) & EVs (extra $28k) are still a rip off compared to petrol/conventional hybrid cars, you won't recoup the cost difference back.
@supersabroso: Ahh… it's not an EV because it has a battery and an electric motor…. in addition to an ICE.
Well. to clarify the jumble in your mind, it is an EV. Why do you think it's called a hybrid EV?Tell me, in your world, why does the vehicle have a 130KW electric motor, if only uses a small amount of electric power? Because they had thousands of big arse electric motors lying around perhaps…. and they couldn't be stuffed using appropriate say 30 KW motors to perform your version of their task… moving from red lights or below 40KPH? You do realise that a 130KW motor will cost and weigh a lot more than a 30KW motor?
A 40% fuel saving? Can I sell you a bridge in sydney?
But I can see you're in love with your dream… so you do you, and buy one!@rooster7777: Because it's about torque, not KW. The most useful time to use an electric motor is from 0kph, with full torque from 0kph, instantly, with perfect effeciency.
But you'd know that, if you actually knew what you're talking about.
Can you view YouTube or watch videos on the infotainment?
waiting for the "Fortunately, we have Chinese company, as the Germans and Japanese have overcharged Australians without justification."
You just did it!
Not the manufacturer, but the dealers
Having worked for a vehicle importer and seen the 100 percent or more markups from landed cost including all taxes and shipping and retail price I can assure you that Australian car buyers are being ripped off by most vehicle importers.
And of course all the import restrictions are still in place from when Australia had local vehicle manufacturing to make private import of new vehicles or import of near new second hand vehicles not financially viable to protect the current new vehicle importer profit margins at the expense of the Australian motorists…
I came here this time only to read the comments!
Can you bring popcorn as well next time?
Well, you want me to ask 'If there is any fully manual transmission, turbo engine/motor German hybrid car' but I am not gonna ask it. I am just reading comments, this time!
Bugger popcorn. I prefer beer and pizza whilst reading these comments. These pro EV fanatics are hilarious!
corolla cross is 45k……
I drove one recently (a hybrid). It was quite bare and basic. Drove okay, but nothing special. Can't comment on long-term reliability or cost of ownership, which are obviously important factors. But it's quite a steep upfront cost.
It's basically half the size.
This is not a fair comparison as the Corolla cross is a small SUV, this is a medium SUV and it's got superior technology that the Corolla doesn't have. An equivalent comparison for the H6 Ultra Hybrid would be the RAV 4 cruiser hybrid. The RAV4 has inferior technology, much smaller moon roof and costs an extra $15k on top of the $41k driveway price for the H6 Ultra hybrid. If you're willing to gamble on a Chinese brand, it's a no brainer to go with the H6 ultra hybrid. Personally, I have both and can confirm that the H6 is more luxurious/fun to drive because of the better technology & substantially larger moon roof it has over the RAV4. Only caveat is that you really have to slow down for the speed bumps, it seems to max out at speeds lower than what a normal car should, can't fly through at 40km/hr.
Why do you need to slow down for spped humps? Bad suspension?
welcome back everyone
Serious question: People who own Toyota hybrids from 10 years ago. How's the car now?
I have a 10 years old prius v, and it is fine, touch wood… no plan to get rid of it.
Have you ever replaced the battery? How many K's has it done
Noone would replace the battery in a hybrid. I'd love to be proved wrong but this is marketing.
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