$2K lower than last years offering on the hybrid H6 variants. Another good option for those seeking a midsize SUV, great specs for the price for brand new.
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Is this bait? No alternator, no starter motor, eCVT, hybrids much more reliable than a traditional ICE car mate.
I agree with you, but some still prefer a bit of both
@Mortgagetightass: I also agree, but it's not just 'some' who prefer hybrids - almost 4 times as many hybrid or PHEV sales as EVs last year
https://www.drive.com.au/news/electric-car-sales-stall-in-au…
@PhilToinby: A big chunk of people willing to consider EVs aren't in a living situation to make it seamless.
Left leaning, younger, CBD (or inner burbs), renting(/early into mortgage/family).
Hybrids start cheaper and have no other barrier to entry- even understanding the maintenance (even if there's more that goes wrong in terms of working parts).
I fit into the first 4, and I'd love my next car to be an EV.
@serpserpserp: I think that's his point. He's younger but they are too pricey.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1349322/australia-tesla-…
Older people with more tone to acquire wealth are in the probe spot. The EVs in my extended family are owned by a 51yo and an 80yo.
@PhilToinby: Yeah, that counts regent braking as a hybrid along with plug in hybrids. A hybrid rav 4 is not in nearly the same league as a hybrid prius or shark which can actually just use the electric drive train. Really a hybrid that doesn't get plugged in for some electric range should just be counted as ICE not hybrid. (in my opinion).
@Dsiee: They are, they just don't sell them here. Look up the Rav4 Prime. Plug in hybrid, falls back to being a normal hybrid, like 50% more power. Dream car.
Not, EVs aren't worth it yet so we can't just get an EV. The Haval H6 Ultra hybrid costs $41k drive away and goes 1,100km on a 61L tank of fuel but the cheapest Tesla Model Y costs $63k and can only travel 450km on a charge (Even less at highway speeds, just a measly 325km). You'll never recoup the cost of your "petrol savings" unless you drive 50,000km/year as your annual insurance fees and up front cost is through the roof.
@Joey2scoops: I'm someone who is under 30, renting without on site charging, living in inner Sydney, who has owned a Model Y for a year now.
Anyone looking at total $ figures or total KM travelled from an RIO perspective in most cases has not driven an electric car. I travel a lot, and the few times I've been forced into hiring a hybrid or ICE car, it's been a jaring experience. Loud, terrible acceleration and driving experience, horrible user system, and crazy expensive to fill up.
I'd much prefer to spend my time driving something that feels like its from 2024/25 rather than the experience of driving a car that feels like its from 2005. 500km in a Telsa or any new electrics are not the same as 500km in a cheap ICE. I drive a BYD Seal for work and that's a terrific car. That's before you consider the growth in the technology in infrastructure.
If all you care about is $ and ROI and not that you have to spend hours of your life in and driving your car, you shouldn't be buying new anyway.
@Oxenfree123: Mate I’m 36, have a 10km round trip to work which has onsite free charging and I still bought a PHEV over a pure EV. Small battery covers my week let alone the day, and I can still do 1000km trips without worrying about charging OR fuel.
EV isn’t always the answer but it’s certainly part of it. I think EV first plug in hybrids are the way forward at least for 10-15 years for infrastructure to catch up.
I can plug mine in at home off a GPO but haven’t even unboxed the charger. If it wasn’t for the workplace infrastructure I probably would have just kept driving petrol.
lots me at eCVT… better than CVT. Yes, but that's not hard.
Lol psycho
Oxenfree123
I agree in most cases.
There are too many idiots buying non PHEV hybrids with no idea of what the pros and cons are.
They suit some situations, and are ridiculous wastes of money in other situations.
Interesting car, had one to do some designs with the other week. has a lot of tech and comforts for the price. not sure if i liked the gearbox/motor though. felt a bit rough at low speeds.
Not tuned for fuel efficiency. Good for overtaking.
0 - 100km in 8.5s doesn't sound that fast either.
I'm doing around 5.6L/100km at the moment, mainly on local road not really highway yet, and having it for 3 months now. Getting over 800KM range before the refuel light comes on.
Agreed, I've driven the H6 Ultra hybrid for 10 months now and I'm averaging 5.55L/100km. To be fair, I'm just driving myself with light work tools, not the entire family yet. Amazing value for money and way better technology than the Hilux or RAV4 at a fraction of the price. The furthest I've driven it without refuelling was 1023km over a period of 2 months. That extra 1L/100km fuel saving you get from a Toyota hybrid isn't worth it because the RAV4 hybrid cruiser costs $56k and has inferior technology. You'll never recoup your petrol savings.
RAV4 hybrid cruiser costs $56k and has inferior technology.
Lol…you're talking about one of the top selling cars of 2024. No it doesn't have inferior technology. If you're talking about intrusive Chinese safety systems, like driver monitoring system that constantly beep at you and are annoying at best, most people actually rather not have these.
Also, why are you comparing 2WD Haval H6 with RAV4 AWD Cruiser? RAV4 GX 2WD Hybrid is available from $47K driveaway and Yaris Cross GX 2WD Hybrid from $35K driveaway.
@dealhunter52: RAV4 AWD Cruiser is $59K in NSW, 2WD is $56K. (i just went toyota website to double check before replying)
I think he/she was comparing with $56K rather GX model for $47K because of those 360 camera, sunroof, heated and ventilated seats, auto tailgate, leather seat, HUD, heated streering wheel and etc, if you are going to pick one which has those similar features.Agreed with the beeping because it has 6 sensors at the front, the same as those at the rear for most cars these days, if you put your car in reverse mode, you slowly reverse with things around you, it will start beeping, but you dont keep in reverse mode all the time. so are the front sensors while you are driving. Personally, i will see the benefit of having it that help keep monitor cross traffic at the front where it possibly blind spot in some situation.
Also agreed as you said most people rather not have those. I wish we can customise the car ourselves like i want all those features excluding sunroof. or base model with 360 camera and heated and ventilated seat only.@aladdin: Yes, RAV4 2WD GX is $47,383 driveaway. This Hawal H6 is also 2WD, you gotta compare apples with apples. I think Corolla Cross at $40,537 driveaway will be better comparison with Haval H6.
https://parramattatoyota.dealer.toyota.com.au/inventory/rav4…
https://www.toyota.com.au/corolla-cross/prices?material_code…
@dealhunter52: No mate, do your research. The RAV4 cruiser AWD is $59.5k, you can't compare the top model Haval H6 Ultra hybrid with the bottom model RAV4 GX that only has fabric seats with no heating or ventilation, no moon roof, no 360 camera, no power tail gate etc. You definitely can't compare this medium sized SUV which is 2 sizes up vs the ultra small/compact base model Yaris Cross SUV lol!
RAV4 2WD hybrid ($56.3k) is the fair comparison against this beast and the Haval H6 ultra hybrid ($41k) beats it because it's $15.3k cheaper and has a much larger, more luxurious moon roof, more sensors, auto lane centering once you hit 60km/h, automatic foot sensor tailgate, heated steering wheel, one pedal driving, heated side mirrors, smarter touch screen, self driving front & reverse parallel parking, usb connection on rear view mirror for a direct dash cam connection with no messy wires, one touch car lock on the passenger & driver exterior door handle, key fob window close function, tyre pressure monitoring system, door open warning and burglar alarm. So yes, the RAV4 definitely has inferior technology/less luxury features relative to the Haval H6 Ultra hybrid.
@supersabroso: When GWM will have 20 years of experience developing hybrid technology and proven reliability just like Toyota, we can compare these brands. Until then, Toyota > GWM. No wonder GWM hybrids are slower and thirstier than Toyota.
Nobody cares about the gimmicks if the car is not reliable. Toyota RAV4 is one of the best selling cars in the world for a reason.
@dealhunter52: What Chinese tech?
Car makers don't do what you think. Design, steel, plastic, parts logistics and assembly. That's about all most will do in house. The rest is usually out sourced.
Even so, many "modern" two litre petrol motors are decades old Mitsubishi designs. And Hyundai, not Toyota, is the current materials champion.
Do you really think there are 60 different adaptive cruise control modules, one for each brand? One company invented adaptive cruise control, patented their technology, and sells it to everyone.
Adaptive sucks because most manufacturers cheap out on calibration. While lane centring is amazing in the Corolla, Toyota Land Cruiser Prado's are the worst I have driven.
I haven't driven direct equivalents between GWM and Toyota. But I have driven price equivalents long distances across multiple price points. GWM is night and day ahead of almost every metric bar spare parts pricing, parts availability and minor usabily design (think stupid cup holder designs and non extending sun visors).
Yes, I'ld rather break down in a Toyota, but current GWM's don't seem to break down.
@supersabroso: Cute. 2WD Vs AWD son.
Also, savings and G..Whatever it's called. May God be with you when you're selling this Chinese tin box.@supersabroso: Calling RAV4 inferior to this car is a bit of a stretch mate. RAV4 is an excellent car, if you don't like it that's okay. Be happy with what you've got. RAV4 has always been popular, renowned for its reliability and now even better and refined with hybrid technology. I love hybrid cars whether Chinese or Japanese but wouldn't call 30 years plus Toyota hybrid experience is mere 'inferior' lol. Besides Toyota Corolla Cross hybrid isn't as expensive as RAV4 and only tad smaller. I drive mine almost all the time with family and at least 80% on highways, I get 4.8 L/100 km without fail (little over the claimed economy). But fuel economy isn't the only thing I love about that car. 0-100 is 7.6 S (which is not bad for an SUV) and the ADAS (driver assistance, lane keep assist and most importantly lane centering) is AMAZING (I'm saying this after testing lane centering of many cars including Tesla).
@Broomstick: No it's not. Safety sense version that corolla cross has got hasn't yet been released to other Toyota cars in Australia yet. I think some models will get this latest version in 2025 models onwards.
@npnp: There's no doubt that the RAV4 is an amazing car, I still drive mine frequently. Until the Haval H6 ultra hybrid came out, it was as good as it got for a normal medium sized SUV. Especially when you could buy it for $10k cheaper just 5 years ago. The value proposition just isn't there any more when you can buy a BYD plug in hybrid for $49k drive away.
I'm just saying that the Haval H6 Ultra hybrid is a better car in terms of price, technology and luxury. Obviously the RAV4 has it's pros over the Haval as it's better for peace of mind about reliability given that it's an established Toyota, it's space saver tyre and for a lot of people, percentage wise re-sale value because they sell their car around the 6 year mark.
Good
How long till the Japanese and Koreans start dropping their prices…
Doubt they will drop much as people will still prefer to buy for their established brands and perceived reliability and resale values.
but if the car is a lot cheaper outright, helps with the potential for massive depreciation.
I see MG3's 19K brand new with 10 year warranty, sure it's meh, but even in 5-7 years they'll still go for 10-12K
They will not be going for $10-12k in 5-7 years.
@brendanm: GWM has upped their quality massively in the models I've driven. They have a few design oversights, but they seem better put together than the other Japanese and Korean cars I have driven over the last few years.
@brendanm: I see. Check out this 2017 MG MG3 Core Manual.
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2017-mg-mg3-core-ma…@de22: So you're saying that if I list my car for $200k, that's the price people will pay? Interesting.
Lol, they won't be around in 5-7 years that's the problem. Chinese cars are basically landfill and don't have a resale value as most people are suspicious of them even new.
10 year warranty is great until you try and utilise it, they'll find a way out of it for sure.
@AuQld: I really really hope you're wrong. I drive a byd seal and I am absolutely sceptical until proven otherwise at the end of lease in 5 years maybe.. I hate the idea the batteries and motors are all fine but all the electrics have failed for example and replacements aren't even a thing. That would be an environmental tragedy.
Chinese cars are basically landfill and don't have a resale value as most people are suspicious of them even new.
Pretty much. Look at the idea of cars in China. You get a new car at any cost, just because of the idea of a new car, and it's absolute rubbish.
These cars are selling for a fraction of what they do in Aus in China, because they're throwaway
Lol, they won't be around in 5-7 years that's the problem
old Chinese cars were truly crap, they had no volume to stay afloat or stick around.
this might be their bet chance yet to stick around. i think if you stick to more established ones like GWM, MG and BYD it should be OK.
Are these long warranties real warranties though or is everything excluded?
Wonder how difficult a warranty repair will be in the later years, I can see the owner having a real fight on their hands to get anything done.
@shutuptakemymoney101: I can't imagine you getting any sort of coverage for parts 6 out of 7 years into a warranty period, assuming the company is still around (hello, Chery).
@shutuptakemymoney101: The 10y warranty is a full warranty. Just like a Kia 7 year warranty parts that wear will be excluded, but if the engine goes, anything with the electrical propulsion, even certain paint defects are allegedly covered right to the end.
Sure shocks, tyres, consumables they'll wiggle out of, but I'd be surprised if you had trouble with getting a major failure fixed.
Full disclosure: I'm currently sorting out an MG HS PHEV which has been poorly delivered. It's new old stock.
My warranty experience so far has been good. Some oxidation of roof rails they took care of, seat covers weren't right on delivery and there are new ones waiting for me. Currently working on getting a hum sorted at highway speeds. I suspect a tyre issue.
That said I'd rather not have to deal with warranty!
I'd like to add that I'm a Toyota fan, but a new Kluger we got a few years ago had many rattles they couldn't find and fix. I did it myself.
@sillycattle: Not quite mate, it's not a full warranty for the full time period.
Try and find the warranty T&C's (this might be hard).
Many brands exclude more and more items each year.
Ie, Mazda covers batteries for 3 years, shocks for full 5 years.
Nissan battery warranty is 1 year, trim pieces on case by case (meaning 90% of the time, no unless its very new).@sillycattle: Not uncommon to find many problems in new cars, esp. in newly released models.
Manufacturers love people who have low expectations around handling and NVH, let alone drivetrain engineering and integration/steering/chassis performance.
I've driven lots of newer cars in the market today and been shocked at how disconnected and anaesthetised they feel. Not to mention poorly engineered/integrated the mechanicals can be.
Given the life expectancy of most ICE and EV cars these days, I guess it is no surprise. It is precisely the same as how the consumer market managed to devolve printers from reliable, fast devices, to cheap crappy ones that stop working after one or two reams of paper.
Agreed, this is something that people don't take into account. If the $56k RAV4 crusier only depreciates 36% over 5 years because it holds it's value well, you will lose $20k. The $41k Haval H6 can afford to lose 50% over the same period to match the $20k depreciation.
People prefer to buy them so much they're going out of business and have to merge to stay afloat?
There's a latency before people's perceptions change. And the Australian market is particularly brand-loyal. But with cost of living being what it is, and so many new brands flooding the market with value-for-money cars, that may change by necessity. I still can't believe the price of a basic Japanese/Korean hatchback today compared to just over a decade ago.
There's a latency before people's perceptions change.
and it is decreasing year by year…
@Make it so: Correct. If you ask me, we gave Ford and Holden 10 more years than they deserved in this country.
@tightm8: What baffled me is that Opel was forced to make an exit shortly after re-entering Australia because nobody would buy them, despite being effectively the same cars as Holdens. They're good cars, with a large market share in Europe.
Yeah like people are going to pay $10-20k more for a Corolla just to go work with and when the used car market is flooded for the prestige of a Toyota.
they can't lower prices as their expenses high so they will just disappear or will use penalty tariffs to protect their domestic market like USA and Europe already do against chinese EV
Japanese are use to ripping off their 'loyal' customers.
Skimping on as many options as possible, what a piss take
perceived reliability
LOL
Agreed Toyota is in dream land if they think they don't have to drop there prices & I drive a Toyota now & always have but I've been looking to buy a new vehicle & Toyota is over the top on price now 3rd on my list .
Yes Toyota over price and quality has also dropped. Still good but not as great as before
That's what happened to me, in almost 4 decades I've been 100% Toyota. However, given the current state of things with the price jacking, I decided to roll the dice on a new Haval H6 Ultra hybrid and I love it so much more than my RAV4 cruiser.
My next car will probably be a BYD 7 seater EV when they come out with solid state batteries that have vehicle to grid capabilities.
They aren't interested in price wars…
They already have, more importantly, this capped them off. These Chinese cars are a god send as every other brand has started dropping/stopped raising their prices. We were getting ripped off badly due to COVID, this has reversed the tide.
This has great show room appeal. The H6 with the hybrid turbo is heaps smooth. Big cabin with all the bells and whistles. But reliability of the turbo petrol engine and hybrid pairing is the big unknown though. Also, a lame infotainment unit with no buttons/dials. The 7 year warranty will swing some to purchase none the less!
Hybrid turbo?
… which model is that?
"The H6 Hybrid is powered by a 1.5-litre four-cylinder turbocharged petrol engine that pairs with a 130kW electric motor and a 1.8kWh battery."
So….. if you use all that electric motor power (which surely you would at some time, otherwise what's the point of carrying it round)…. if you discharged your giant 1.8KWh battery to 0%, it would give you extra power for 50 seconds, before it's dead flat.
Are we talking about something used for off street drag racing….. or an overpowered piece of machinery that is pointless?@rooster7777: Someone correct me if I'm wrong but the Toyota Camry and RAV4 hybrid also uses a battery of a similar size and is known for it's great fuel efficiency. And for Toyotas in Australia, they're not even plug in… straight petrol and regen power.
@Bignudge: So they're all crap? (urban traffic jams/ long hills excepted) And if they can make a non PHEV with "great fuel efficiency"…. imagine how much better if the threw out the hybrid parts and just made them as ICE.
@rooster7777: No, they're awesome… I was saying how a small battery can bring big benefits.
Gotta hit it where it hurts cause for 100% of drivers you lose a crap tonne of energy slowing down whether it be for the red light, going down a long hill, or a caravan suddenly changing into your lane and sitting 10km/h below the limit for a brief period. Everytime you touch that brake peddle or keep out the clutch… energy is wasted. Imagine if you could harness most of that energy slowing down to get back to speed again?
And for PHEVs, I disagree with them as it doesn't make sense to lug around a battery that big and heavy… and to also bring a petrol engine that almost never gets used (if the car is used correctly).
@Bignudge: Good to hear you're having fun with your non PHEV hybrid. A lot of drivers anticipate traffic stopped ahead and roll, and if you have long hills (like 1000M descent) then you've got a case. If you frequently have to hit your brakes you're doing something wrong. How long do your disc pads/ discs last? Dunno what "every time you keep out the clutch" means.
PHEVs… how big and heavy do you think a PHEV battery is? A battery of 20KWhs gives significant range, and probably weighs less than 200Kg. Remember that you put petrol in your car all the time to weigh it down, so you can burn it to charge your battery.
"To bring a petrol engine that almost never gets used if the car is used correctly" WTF? If you're only driving 50 or 100 Km between charging, then don't buy a PHEV- buy an EV.
If you want to use cheap or free or renewable energy, then buy a PHEV. If you want to travel more than say 100 Km, up to unlimited range…. then just drive your car like an ICE (or one of those silly non PHEVs)… both of which gain their power from burning petrol.
@rooster7777: So, to summarise…
- If you drive mostly on flat motorways, get a PHEV.
- If you drive mostly in the mountains, get a non-PHEV.
- If you drive mostly in a city, get an EV.
Is that it?
@wisdomtooth: Sort of…..
Much of what I was discussing was scenarios that have advantages for PHEV vs those that have advantages for non PHEV…. if someone is committed to buying one or the other.
None of those scenarios mean an EV would be unsuitable. (But long distance remote rural travelling may not suit EVs, depending on charging facilities)But to clarify your summary… flat land (doesn't have to be a high speed "motorway") without stop start reduces benefits of non PHEV, but suits PHEV.
If you have a regular route where you drive from a high area down to a low area daily, and vice versa, then there are advantages for a non PHEV. (on a few occasions I've lived and commuted on roads that were 300 metres or more higher at one end than the other, using engine decompression and brakes on the way down, and trudging trudging on the way back up)
If you never need the vehicle to travel long distance, and do a lot of stop start city driving, a basic EV is perfect.Were you setting a little trap for me to walk into…. or really aren't familiar with the topic? I mean, moore's law and early female puberty causes aren't things often heard in casual conversation. By the way, has moore's law been the subject of legislative amendments to reflect the law of diminishing returns…. or does it retain its validity from so long ago?
@rooster7777: No, it's called a hybrid for a reason. It's not an EV so it'll never discharge that EV battery at maximum power for 50 seconds to get you to 400km/hr. It uses a different combination of both the petrol & electric engines depending on the situation. Eg. At a red light or low speeds below 40km/hr it'll be 100% electric, at speeds of 110km/hr it'll be 100% petrol.
The H6 Ultra hybrid only costs an extra $5k on top of the petrol version ($36k) and it drives a lot more smoothly providing a 40% fuel saving with 1,100km of range so it's got value for money. PHEVs (extra $14k) & EVs (extra $28k) are still a rip off compared to petrol/conventional hybrid cars, you won't recoup the cost difference back.
@supersabroso: Ahh… it's not an EV because it has a battery and an electric motor…. in addition to an ICE.
Well. to clarify the jumble in your mind, it is an EV. Why do you think it's called a hybrid EV?Tell me, in your world, why does the vehicle have a 130KW electric motor, if only uses a small amount of electric power? Because they had thousands of big arse electric motors lying around perhaps…. and they couldn't be stuffed using appropriate say 30 KW motors to perform your version of their task… moving from red lights or below 40KPH? You do realise that a 130KW motor will cost and weigh a lot more than a 30KW motor?
A 40% fuel saving? Can I sell you a bridge in sydney?
But I can see you're in love with your dream… so you do you, and buy one!@rooster7777: Because it's about torque, not KW. The most useful time to use an electric motor is from 0kph, with full torque from 0kph, instantly, with perfect effeciency.
But you'd know that, if you actually knew what you're talking about.
@rooster7777: I can see that you don't have much real world experience and are busy just looking at the manufacturer's online figures. A petrol RAV4 cruzier uses 9.79L/100km and a Haval H6 hybrid ultra that uses 5.55L/100km, 40% is a pretty accurate figure for mostly city driving. The dream has been reality for a long time which is why conventional hybrids are so successful.
The figures that you get quoted are all combined figures with highway driving where the hybrid engine provides negligible benefits. I don't know how they come up with the fake figures for city driving but "urban" is definitely not accurate.
Can you view YouTube or watch videos on the infotainment?
waiting for the "Fortunately, we have Chinese company, as the Germans and Japanese have overcharged Australians without justification."
You just did it!
Not the manufacturer, but the dealers
Having worked for a vehicle importer and seen the 100 percent or more markups from landed cost including all taxes and shipping and retail price I can assure you that Australian car buyers are being ripped off by most vehicle importers.
And of course all the import restrictions are still in place from when Australia had local vehicle manufacturing to make private import of new vehicles or import of near new second hand vehicles not financially viable to protect the current new vehicle importer profit margins at the expense of the Australian motorists…
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