$2K lower than last years offering on the hybrid H6 variants. Another good option for those seeking a midsize SUV, great specs for the price for brand new.
GWM Haval H6: Lux Hybrid from $36990 (Was $38990), Ultra Hybrid from $40990 (Was $42990) Driveaway @ GWM
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I have a 10 years old prius v, and it is fine, touch wood… no plan to get rid of it.
Have you ever replaced the battery? How many K's has it done
Noone would replace the battery in a hybrid. I'd love to be proved wrong but this is marketing.
@drprox: Lots of taxis are Camry hybrids and I've heard from multiple drivers that they've replaced the hybrid battery well past normal people driving distances
@smokenmirraz: Interesting, thanks for the learns! I'm stoked if it's economical to do so but I guess I'm a taxi maybe.
@drprox: I don't own one, but have Camry's have their hybrid battery covered under warranty for 240,000KMs. I've read and heard of them actually needed replacement at the 350,000-400,000KM mark. You can either get a new pack, refurbished pack for probably around under $4,000 installed. It's cheap as the battery is quite small (1.6KWh compared to say a Tesla's 75KWh pack)
If you know what you're doing then you can even test and change out the bad cells yourself for much cheaper (get good cells from other packs off eBay).
Our (Australian made) Camry is coming up 13 years old. No issues at all. Battery is OK. Will keep driving it until it is dead.
What happen after the battery dead, can't you keep using it with petrol only?
I mean the car in general. The battery should see it through the rest of its life. Just loses efficiency.
AFAIK you can't. You have the replace the Hybrid battery. Don't quote me.
You'll probably be dead before it is dead.
Fantastic! Bought a 3rd Gen Prius new in 2010. Put 340,000 trouble free kilometres on it until 2021 when I moved to an EV. Handed it down to the MIL where it now has over 400k.
Only servicing has been fluids and filters. Original brake pads due to regen braking and the only extra service item compared to a non-hybrid was a single coolant change for the inverter.
Original HV battery still, although it is getting tired. The only thing that is noticeably worn other than the HV battery is the suspension, plus the engine burns a little bit of oil (doesn't need a top up between services though).
Lifetime fuel consumption of 4.5L/100km, and it gets the same fuel economy whether highway or city driving. Amazingly reliable, durable and long-lived cars.
This is normal for many toyotas. They have this philosophy of incremental improvements and only implementing tech that actually works and lasts the distance. Look at their ADAS system. It's improved incrementally over the years.
I agree with you other than their diesel engines. Compared to the competition they are not better than average.
@Dogsrule: Each manufacturer has their achilles heel of course. I always thought that the Landcruiser diesels were long lasting vehicles. but of course this might be moot given that Diesel might be on the decline for normal/common use.
@Naigrabzo: The 100 series LC with the 1HD 6cyl engines were pretty good.
All their other diesels have had problems ranging from moderate to serious.
@Dogsrule: Thanks. That sounds annoying for such a popular vehicle where reliability is number 1 issue.
@Naigrabzo: Just to be clear, the competition isn't much better - modern diesels are just kind of fragile these days, and not even Toyota are immune.
Thanks for the civil conversation.
At 400k in any vehicle, the suspension should have been replaced. Probably twice. Shock absorbers wear, and this has a significant safety impact.
Yeah, I had a 300k rav4 which needed the front ones done. Once they were done, I could hear the clunk from the rear… :) I gave it to someone I know. Heopfully they take care of it. The rear is an easy(ish) DIY…. Ok so might be intermediate level.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=vimdIiaL7Uw&t=0s
I recently sold my 2010 Prius with 240K on it. Battery health according to fuel economy seemed fine (I was getting 4.2L/100 km even after driving 14 years with it). That's of course the original battery. I don't think it'll need replacing for another 100k at least. Even then mere cell replacements would be sufficient (which costs about 200 AUD per cell supply and installed). I only ever did regular services in every 15,000 km or 1 year, it's been an amazing car. I now drive Corolla Cross hybrid which is a bit bigger compact SUV which is just a tad higher economy figures but much better technology (faster, much advanced safety features and 10 years unlimited km warranty which is icing on top). Highly recommend to get the GXL which comes with leather seats and some other bits and pieces over the basic model. I'd recommend corolla cross GXL hybrid over this Hawal any day of the week. In the mean time I'm happy for this competition which will hopefully force Toyota to drop their pricing. I'd personally stick with a tested brand but I've driven Haval Ora EV and it was surprisingly smooth. Really nice drive I almost bought it but then driver assistance package (lane centering to be specific) was so bad so I changed my mind.
I have a 2012 RX450h. I replaced the battery about 2 years ago (at 200k kms) and cars now up to 240k kms. Got an aftermarket refurb exchange battery for $2,250. From memory Lexus was going to charge about 5k. I was able to drive the car even while the battery was cactus, it just ran ICE during that time which obviously impacted fuel usage.
I did not know you could drive Toyota hybrid cars with failed battery? Due to the way their hybrid system works, car can't be driven when battery fails. You are probably referring to a battery with warning lights (not yet failed) which could be driven (which would obviously give you high economy figures, sometimes worse than corresponding ICE cars).
Have been owning a H6 hybrid for 1yr and 2m, great value SUV overall.
I considered switching to a BYD Sealion 6 because a PHEV is much more suitable for my usage (driving on a 80km/h road everyday, which is not efficient for either the engine or the motor). However, the cabin in H6 feels much bigger than that in a Sealion 6, so I decided to keep my H6 for now.
Now I'm looking forward to the H6 GT PHEV which will come out later this year, hopefully before the PHEV cut off from Novated Lease.
The GT looks like a beast. If I had the cash to spare, i would seriously consider that over i30 N (yes one is way more focussed on trackability but who cares I just want something fast)
You could consider it but they won't even be remotely similar as cars.
i'm waiting to check it out too. 180km EV only range, 4.9sec 0-100 for 55k sounds like a great deal, even better if it makes the NL cut off
180km EV range? Good luck. If it achieves 100km in real world it is still a winner though imo.
if its rated for 180 it'll probably be around 130-140 real life..the sea lion 6 gets about 7-80 real world kms and that's good enough for me, anything over 100 is a bonus
It has a bigger battery than first gen Nissan Leaf.
Isn't the NL cutoff $80kish? Or that just BEV?
its the april deadline for PHEV FBT exemption, only BEV qualifies after that
How is a PHEV going to my more efficient than a regular hybrid in your use case?
Sure it might work out cheaper, but you’ll using way more electricity than a regular EV lumping a motor around doing nothing in your commute.
What’s the actual PHEV use case you’d need to use a PHEV for?
More pertinent to ask what is the case for a regular hybrid, given that the only electric power used is created by a petrol motor, or regen.
In stop start log jam city traffic, there's a clear value in stopping and starting with a low power motor and battery power.
In urban driving with lots of stop start traffic lights, there's a clear value in stopping and starting with a low power motor and battery power.
If you live in an area with significant height differences in your normal travel (eg all the way down the hill in the morning, all the way back up the hill in the afternoon) there's clear value in charging your battery on the long downhill trip, and using that power to go part way back up the hill.However, if you don't use the vehicle in one of these situations, there is no value having a NON PHEV hyrid. (the battery is charged by the vehicle petrol engine- which doesn't remotely approach fixed grid efficiences, particularly if you use your own solar power)
Either buy an ICE which isn't weighed up more with a useless battery and motor…. or buy a PHEV so part of your journey is powered by cheap or free power, or buy a full EV.
basically for those who want best of both worlds with the trade off being the,downside of having both .
Hilarious. But true. Lol
The engine in HEV is actually not very efficient, because it has fewer gears to work with comparing to ICE cars, and it has to work on a higher rpm than it's needed to charge the battery.
In general, and based on my observations, HEV's fuel economy from it's engine is way worse than a similar ICE car. The overall better fuel efficiency is only achieved by the wonders of their electric motors. So the more you can force your HEV to use electricity, the more efficient it will be.
In my case, there's simply no way to force using electric motor on a 80 road. Unless it's a huge downhill, but then, I'll have to use much more fuel to go uphill on the return trip.
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Wanted to ask how novated lease works. Seems common these days. I assume you need ABN or write part off tax wise ?
Most of the time it’s with your employer- YouTube a few videos - very informative.
You save on the GST of the car and combine fuel, maintenance cost etc into a monthly cost to pay with your pretax salary.
You’d have to do the math though to see if your tax savings are worth it for the vehicle you want (price), the financing rate you can get (most novated leasing places don’t offer the most competitive rate), and the length of the lease (interest paid overall).
Arent new models coming out this year….
Yeah but the price point will be close to 50k.
I get this over a rav4 Hybird any day but if I could extend the piggy bank it will definitely be Leapmotor C10 for more.
Been interested in this car but the look of the dash is a big turn off. It looks odd having what looks like a mini tablet for a dash screen. Why not just join it all together with the infotainment unit to make it more stylish like some cars do?
As someone who only keeps a car for five years or so, it’s becoming really difficult to see how a Toyota equivalent is actually worth an additional $10-12k more
Resale value in your use case. These Havals will be worth nothing in 4 or 5 years time. A Toyota RAV4 hybrid will have held most of its value.
Toyota can go down too. Market already getting saturated. 10-15 years ago Toyota resell values weren’t that great. Facebook marketplace is full of Toyotas not selling with big price cuts. Local Toyota dealership has most cars in within weeks if not already in stock. The Toyota boom is long gone. It will take another year or so for used car prices to go down big time,
Yea nothing competes with Toyota Hybrid resale values. No brand.
100% agree if you only look backwards. Are you 100% sure that will hold true once you can get +1000km range EVs for cheap and fast chargers are everywhere? Because that will be the reality in 10 years time when people are trying to offload vehicles bought today.
@dtpearson: You can only look backwards. No one can predict future without looking at past and making a prediction using that data.
same
If you only keep cars for 3-5 years then a Toyota is definitely worth it for you due to the re-sale value. A Toyota becomes less useful if you plan on keeping the car for 8-10 years as the loss in $ value be similar but you pay a lot more up front (eg. $56k for a RAV4 crusier hybrid vs $41k for the H6 Ultra hybrid).
Which of course is ironic given they should last longer. All in all you'd say buy a used Toyota!
$37k for a small medium hybrid SUV is quite reasonable in todays market. Sure it will sell well. I wouldn't buy one though.
It is actually larger than a RAV4.
oh really? seemed pretty small to me when I sat in the back of a recent uber ride
Was probably a Jolion
yes more roomy compare with RAV4. so must be Jolion not H6.
There was once i saw Haval H6 right next to RAV4 then i realised H6 is actually bigger than RAV4, otherwise i would thought they similar size.@aladdin: They are basically identical in size, the H6 is only larger by a few cm in length, width and height but it does make a difference. However, the boot is not as spacious, the space is given to the passengers which might not be as ideal for families who like to lug a lot of stuff around.
@supersabroso: @ supersabroso: "boot is not as spacious" >> that is not correct according to official figures.
Haval H6 Boot space is 600-litres with the rear seats in play, extended to 1485-litres with the second row folded almost flat.
RAV4 Hybrid has 580L of boot space with the seats up and 1690L with the seats folded.
Lux Hybrid and Vanta are the same price. Anyone know what’s the difference in these cars?
Lux hybrid is a hybrid variant with a battery that powers the car whereas the Vanta is a pure ICE engine with better suspension and engine tune than the normal petrol premium/lux/ultra version. Vanta also has a black finish on some exterior and interior parts.
Haval. Jeetmobil🥸
They can't give these things away.
I see them everywhere
I test drove a h6 ultra non hybrid a year or two ago and it drove quite well. The lane assist was a little more sporadic than others but you can turn this off.
We ended up with a RAV4 cruiser which is clearly more refined but costs 12k more. How much of that 12k (if any) you would recoup from resale is anyone's guess.One on marketplace asking 22k for a 2022 model, that registration in July so presumably only 18 months old. From a dealer also so he probably got it for 18k or less.
Quite a few GWMs there with 1k on the clock and people trying to offload them..
Japanese resale, reliability and availability of parts of why you pay a premium.
Remember this brand isn't new there around 15 years and you'll be lucky to find one with over 150ks or 10 years old.
Anyone know of a similar sized EV at a reasonable cost?
I had my mind set on the H6 Ultra Hybrid from last year but happy to wait a few more months and see what EVs are headed here.
Model Y is too small imo, wrt total passenger volume.
I'm surprised you think model Y is too "small", do you mean head room? It's 4.75m long with the typical long ev wheel base, it's gonna be bigger than any mid size ice cars out there. Honestly the biggest and best priced 5 seat ev in the market right now.
If you need a 7 seater, tough tits they're all close to $100k
It's a great car sure, but it's not a real SUV. It's a crossover.
How do you even define an suv? Body on frame? Off road clearance? None of the mid sized "suv" on the market meet these criteria. They're all built on a car platform with barely enough clearance to do proper off roading (unsealed road isn't off-roading)
Dude Model Y is really spacious! What u talking about?
Maybe you mean you get sun burn from that silly roof? I get a hot head during summer because Model Y doesn't have sun shade and wasn't designed for Aussie conditions.
I reckon websites like this that like to show pretty pictures and little or no useful information are forking stupid…. and immediately poison my outlook!
Who would have thought of a comprehensive list of specifications under a "specs" tab?
forking boofheads!
immediately poison my outlook!
How's your word and excel?
I like driving Chinese cars just to upset China haters
As long as that brings you happiness thats all that matters
Why does every vehicle deal on this website quickly degrade into a cesspool? We used to be much more civilised. Do better.
You do better /s
Cars used to be better
I disagree. This is the most calm, rational comment section of these deals that I have participated in.
How is Haval build quality compared to MG?
How does Haval H6 Hybrid compare with the all new MG ZS HYBRID+
https://mgmotor.com.au/models/mg-allnewzs/The MG ZS HYBRID is very impressive. Far better interior and drives better than the Toyota equivalent. I was shocked, especially after driving the MG3 which is the worst car I'd ever driven
I doubt that VERY much.
MG ZS is much smaller than Haval H6. The equivalent size is the MG HS.
Can i criticise this car or would I be term racists for crap car being Chinese origin?
I'll buy 2 in different colours then have Fast & Furious style races!
Resale value on all Chinese cars is a joke compared to the Japs.
Oh, really? Haval Jolion is $24k brand new d/a, people are asking $20k for the same but 2-3 year old and there's not that many ads. Which means people are selling them for this much. After having a car for 3 years, getting only a 20% depreciation is great. I'm not seeing any bargains like people are saying here - "you'd lose 50% in 3 years". I'd love to buy a 3-year-old Haval for a 50% of a new one, yet there's none at this price.
With the cheaper cars, it's more important to compare real dollar depreciation, not percentage depreciation. Eg. A $4k loss is excellent as a Corolla cross will lose a lot more than $4k after 2-3 years, not to mention the thousands of dollars on mortgage interest you would have saved by buying a cheaper car as well.
Except it's not 20% after 3 years, because those people who bought one 3 years ago paid more like $28,490, which was the list price at the time. Also I see a lot of them for sale on Carsales, not sure what you mean by "not many ads" ?
FB marketplace, very few ads. Haval Jolion Premium in 2022 cost $25,490 d/a. Pretty reasonable depreciation for a Chinese car.
Are any of the models AWD?
Yes but I wouldn't recommend it unless you plan on driving through muddy country roads a lot as the hybrid drives a lot better then the petrol only AWD.
If I am in market for a SUV, will pick a subaru forester hybrid over this junk any time. My aunt has one and been on it many times. It is so nice. Can't beat a reliable japanese design and manufacturing.
Ok
I’m convinced, I’m buying a Subaru Forester right now. Please thank your aunt from me.
Nothing wrong with that, very safe cars.
I wouldn't call a H6 hybrid junk though. Haval cars have come a long way. Especially the hybrids, I'd rate them better than most ice vehicles
Serious question: People who own Toyota hybrids from 10 years ago. How's the car now?