Saw this in CE: https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/hyundai-i30-sedan-driv…
Hyundai i30 sedan on sale until the end of the month for $29,990 driveway.
Hyundai i30 CN7 Sedan Smartstream G2.0 Petrol IVT FWD $29,990 Driveaway @ Hyundai
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Chinese competition saved us imo.
Chinese EVs you get more for your money and higher reliability.
Chinese ICE cars while you get a lot for your money, generally the specs are less and the reliability isn't as good. (but Massive warranties).
I was in MG and they had a SUV drive away for $20k. Sure the engine was smaller than the equiv Mazda, some features better and some missing, cheaper services, much longer warranty. So at some point you think, perhaps I will compromise on a few features and keep the cash.
…."higher reliability"….. mm no.
@Goremans: Aren't all EVs higher reliability because (profanity) all moving parts and complex mechanical engines, or is that a misnomer?
@Goremans: As reliable as an electric motor and battery can be.
Then again my concerns would be regular software updates / quick turn around time with issues if any.
There is no evidence that Chinese evs are more reliable or even reliable at all… In fact the only evidence we have is that chinese cars are unreliable compared to established japanese brands. They probably beat euros because they just suck for reliability.
@hippyhippy: There is evidence. Just look up all the US car engineering firms tearing them down and analysing those Chinese EVs. Caresoft is a start.
@Creamsoda: A teardown cannot determine reliability. You need years of data and reputations to be built.
While it would make sense that an ev having less moving parts should be more reliable, it doesn't necessarily mean it will. Only long term data can support the claim. You are talking about a country with cities with millions of tofu dreg buildings.
@hippyhippy: Which part of "Benching Marking Car Engineering" firm don't you understand? Look up what they do before spewing your Sinophobia driven propaganda.
@Creamsoda: The part I don't understand is that is sounds so freaking stupid. Oh, and I could call myself "God Almighty Ruler of the Universe", but it doesn't make it so. I do not suffer from Sinophobia. I suffer from CCPphobia.
@Vorsprungdurchtech: China Fact Chasers have a great channel that covers alot of false impressions of China. They both love China, have Chinese wives and children, and many friends that still live in China.
They've covered the EV market in China ALOT.
https://m.youtube.com/@ChinaFactChasers
Really unless you get your information from Weechat - then (almost*) everything that comes out of China in the media is approved by the CCP (and even Weechat gets censored).
@hippyhippy: Correct for the Australian market, incorrect globally. Assumption is the trend will hold true here.
Recommended Chinese EV's?
The $31k for MG4 seemed seemed too good to be true
@abowen: Not too good to be true mate.
125kW and 250Nm with power down through the rear wheels will make this thing drive a whole lot better than a naturally aspirated front wheel driven i30.
Not to mention lower running costs, convenience of charging at home (less so if you're an apartment dweller), faster acceleration with a quieter interior, the only thing to complain about is the spartan design. Very "boring black" if you ask me, but otherwise if my budget was around $30K nothing beats a base MG4 for a brand new car as of November 2024.
@ZIngerBurgR: Thankyou. Just wondering if its worth going through FBT leasing for it. So many calcs..
Really wanted something to replace our 2002 Honda CRV with 400-500L of bootspace, but the BYD Atto interior was too polarising
I want the boring
Any other recommendations? I checked out Ioniq & EV5 but now we're doubling prices
@abowen: Just piping in with my 5 cents.
I bought a Sealion 6 and it's been great, traditional interior and is also FBT exempt.if you're on 100k as an example it's about ~220 off your take home every week (including lumpsum at end of 5 years).
at around 50k there's plenty of options, even playing it safe with a Model Y I don't think you can go wrong.
@abowen: Novated lease on EV has no FBT , so the calcs work out well if you are guaranteed PAYG for the next few years. Just get rid of all the extras they offer.
@Shon: Yes just love how a Tesla 3 can be had for roughly the same lease per week as a Mazda 3 that RRPs at half the price.
That’s sarc by the way. But huge subsidies do make it worthwhile if your salary is high enough to get a decent tax benefit of a novated lease.
“Higher reliability” … thank you @UltimateAI I haven’t had such a good laugh in ages!
@davlloyd: The comparison was against Chinese ICE cars, but if you have data that proves Chinese ICE cars are more reliable than their EVs, love to see it.
Yep competition swooping in to save the day. It's about time we started seeing a movement in favour of the buyers. Manufacturers boldly using the "COVID shortage" excuse nowadays to keep prices up is opportunistic.
COVID bike prices lol
"Shipping costs are up", well now they've gone back down, have your prices? no…
Yep & Toyota is arrogant holding there prices up imo I think there about to get a reality check also with the AUD to yen the prices should have dropped now but no chance I'm holding out for now .
Toyota 10 years ago to now is a massive difference. I would have gladly looked at Toyota if they were in my price range, now they are just completely out of the price I want, and their tech just hasn't stayed current. Toyota used to be the value car, now its just overpriced trash. Sad.
@Jack D Price: Is Toyota overpriced? Yeah, probably. I genuinely would like to know what you consider reliable if you believe Toyota is trash now.
@Jack D Price: Well if you are regional it’s Toyota because bulletproof, and when they aren’t, there are spare parts. Toyota own the bush.
Nothing worse than sitting around for a week waiting for parts to arrive.@Jack D Price: Reliability comes at a price. Years of testing, research and highly sought-after manufacturing, attention to detail in each of the components especially engine parts, all these combined result in a reliable product. And all of those items I mentioned do cost money which the customer has to pay. If you don't want to pay any of that, then you won't get the renowned reliability, you're just taking a gamble (yes some other cars also may last long, but odds may not be that high). On the other hand, you will get a nice return when you sell the car which you won't get from most of the other brand hence as a long term investment (lol) Toyota do make most sense. For a nice to have brand new car which you will rather sell to someone after a couple of years without thinking of the return then go with any brand by all means. Most of the brands will probably last 5 years from new without many issues.
@npnp: Reliability also saves money in avoided manufacturing defects. The biggest driver of reliability in a factory is the human worker putting the vehicle together, that is what Toyota excels at.
Toyota has always been more reliable than many other brands including mazda. It's only recently that they are priced at a premium.
To attribute their higher prices to reliability is revisionist, they are simply charging more now.
Eh… Base model. With all these cheap chiense cars coming the traditional manufacturers can't keep playing these pricing games.
Base doesn't even have DAB
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Seems the entire car industry is heading towards crisis… too many cars, not enough demand, and the chinese over-production is really going to flood the market as the gates close in the EU/US.
Personally would wait unless I needed a car ASAP.
I agree. Seen lots of cars on sales lots that have been there for weeks if not months.
Second hand stuff is not moving.
Not sure what the new market is like, but lots seem to be buying Chinese shit. Which pretty much says to me people are seeking better value or wanting to spend less and less on new items which would be making it hard for the brand name companies.I've sold a few vehicles recently at a good price and within a few weeks. The stuff that isn't moving tends to be those asking covid prices.
Some Ozbargainers have a warped view of what "value" is. I see the Chinese EV posts about the amazing value at ~$30k then in the next paragraph they'll also say sure you need to turn off all the safety stuff everytime you start the car because it either doesn't work or it tries to kill you, but wow what great value.
100%..brand new MG ZST Essence…just 3 weeks old ..on highway cruising along and all sorts of chimes, errors, "frontal collision sensor off", "cruise control fail"..WTF. so weeks in and have to go to dealer. pissed off.
I agree with all those safety stuff complaints, but it is the same in any brand or price range. The car tries to steer for example between the lines with lane assist, but our markings and roads in Australia are shit and it is annoying to have it always be fighting you. I live in in semi-rural and had to turn all those features off, and my car is not Chinese.
The industry is fine. Traditional makers have pivoted to producing the higher quality higher margin vehicles only. You only need to go to a traditional dealer and ask what the wait times are on new models. Plenty of demand. No point in trying to compete with the Chinese price point.
But you get what you pay for. The Chinese race each other in time to market and pump out what they can regardless of issues with a focus on software defines cars. Be fast or die.
Traditional makers have a long design and testing process.Traditional makers have pivoted to producing the higher quality higher margin vehicles only.
It's more accurate to say traditional makers have pivoted to producing the higher margin vehicles only, quality is unchanged. The quality doesn't increase when Hyundai discontinues the base model i20.
A $90k Hyundai is going to be higher quality than a $25k Hyundai (or whatever brand you want to compare to) in terms of comfort, drivability and ease of use. Actual engine reliability is probably unchanged. Costs have to be cut somewhere. Plastic trim vs soft touch. Cloth seats vs leather. Adjustability vs fixed position. Decent suspension setup vs basic. Decent tyres from the factory, Sound deadening. etc…
@daneti: That's not what I am referring to. Discontinuing the i20 and only selling the i20N is not going to increase reliability, it might even decrease it
@daneti: The features provided in the new car no longer functioning.
It has nothing to do with comfort, drivabilitity or ease of use. You are talking about luxuries not reliability
@greatlamp: Your original comment was about "Quality". You mentioned nothing about reliability. Keep your discussion consistent.
But to address this comment, you've quoted "The features provided in the new car no longer functioning." That's not something I've written while replying to you.@daneti: When you asked me "what is your measure of reliability" I thought you were using quality and reliability interchangeably. Why did you ask me that otherwise?
But to address this comment, you've quoted "The features provided in the new car no longer functioning." That's not something I've written while replying to you.
This is what a quote looks like ^.
I gave you my answer to your question, I didn't quote you.
You seem to assume hostile intentions, I don't think I have been rude to you.
@greatlamp: My apologies.
No, I wasn't using quality and reliability interchangeably. I asked the question because you began talking about reliability after we were talking about quality.
"is" is the key word. Traditional makers are completely complacent and cruising off established reputation. Inefficient design process, inefficient manufacturing, are working as excuses only because of their current reputation.
Who are the makers selling in volume now? Who is building up their current reputation? You can ask Kodak and Nokia on the half life of reputation as a selling feature.
Yep. In this case he who hesitates wins.
No spare wheel at all in new i30 Hatch - just a puncture kit. Until recently, i30 had a full size spare.
Is the general consensus not to buy? How long do i hold on for? As a uni student I've been looking for a first car but its not urgent atm.
Aus new standards are comming end of next year so old cars will become unsellable.
Thats when the real fire sale shoild happen.
Ohh interesting! But don't know if i can wait a whole year.
Gotta love bird brain ozbargainers,
China brands expand overseas - OVER PRODUCTION lolMeanwhile every other car producing company aren't flooding the markets LMAO.
Are you ok?
Have a +. Those dumbass negged you lol
Honestly takes some special mental gymnastics to believe only Chinese Cars has OvErPRoDucTioN
One for each limb?
There's only 4 if you're driving a base model i30! lol
Bro just wanted the 5 pieces of Exodia the Forbidden one.
Hope they are 5 different colours
voltron assemble!
Let me know when your Car Sales ad is up and we'll start the negotiations
With all cheap Chinese cars getting into market these guys will have to lower prices. Interest to see. Everytime i go out see so many havals and Mg’s.
Started with the rentals, that's where I was first exposed to Chinese cars.
Just read any rentals stories with a grain of salt, as in June I hired a MY24 Toyota Fortuner (3 months old) and it was falling apart, so someone had clearly abused the heck out of it. So with all the Chinese rental cars, these abound to be plenty of "I rented one and was falling apart stories"Most people rent cars and complain about every single one
I rented a MG ZS last week. Never driven such a gutless POS in all my life! No way would I consider buying one… my $5K 2011 Skoda Octavia is a much better car.
@braddsey: same, rented a RAV4 and they gave me a shitty MG ZS
it was looking brand new, but the engine was crap, the cluster was terrible, and it was the first car in my life where the fcking google maps lagged! by like, 5 seconds between image and direction
one of, if not the worst car I've ever driven
And Chery's!
How big is the battery in these?
It's a base model petrol. The only battery inside is the 12V.
Oh, so it is a PHEV
No just a plain ICE car.
About 450cca, not sure how many kwh that translates to. Maybe 0.5?
It's got a 12v battery.
Touché
MF75D23L
23 x 17 x 20cm
Weight?
Yes, it has that, thanks to gravity.
It's got latest lead acid battery tech
This price is alright but $40k for a petrol i30 hatch seems insane. It's the N line (not to be confused with the i30N) and still more expensive than a Corolla Hybrid hatch. I still can't believe how far Hyundai has come since their Excel days. Our TAFE workshop was full of donated cooked Hyundais back when I was an apprentice.
Our i30 also had the same issue
that's what happens when you hire a whole bunch of Audi designers, BMW M engineers, etc. Too bad they retired just before the Kia Tasman :')
Kia really needs to revise those headlights. They must have had a nasty shock when BYD priced the Shark under 60k.
I was set on buying an ice or maybe hybrid, but with all the deals recently and likely more, I'm not sure what to do now.
I'm leaning towards EV, but it just depends on what deals come up.
A couple of years ago, you had to pay ridiculous dollars for a used car. It was shit.
What a time to be alive!
Wait for Xiaomi
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I'm still holding out for Anker to announce a car
Eneloops have a great car coming
Is certainly going to be interesting to see what happens with new and used car prices over the next 6-12months.
Unfortunately I recently purchased, but it was out of necessity I wanted to wait.