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Hyundai i30 sedan on sale until the end of the month for $29,990 driveway.
Hyundai i30 CN7 Sedan Smartstream G2.0 Petrol IVT FWD $29,990 Driveaway @ Hyundai
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No right\wrong answer, TEST drive a variety and decide what is right for you.
Plug-In Hybrids you get the worst of both technologies, but reliability is higher than ICE only and you get the range.
Non plugin hybrids, just think of them as ICE cars. Nothing wrong with them, but best suited for the city\residential areas.
Can charge at home and drive less than 200k per day, drive a lot of hills, like power. Then difficult to go past an EV.
If you Tow long distances or lots of country trips on unsealed roads, then avoid the EV.People get passionate, but there is no wrong choice here.
Wait, so what's the best SUV to do 80% suburban driving with the occasional weekend day-trips going up mountains etc?
Not driving your five i30s then? Just going to wait for them to appreciate?
Not one I can answer as it depends on the price at the time and your needs.
Mazda base CX5 is decent ~$40k, but you can get a SUV from MG for $21k driveaway for half the price. Sure the MG isn't as good, but that's almost 20k in your pocket paying off a home loan or investment.So many good options in the SUV space, best to get out and test drive a few and see what is right for you.
I would at least test drive these;
Mazda CX5 (bland but reliable)
BYD Sealion 6 Dynamic (not quite a Tesla but a damn good option)
Tesla Model Y (wait for the refresh, but good value now)
MG ZS Excite (just so you know what $20k gets you), it's a small engine so will struggle up the hills. Saying that when I go on my country drives up the blue mountains I see them everywhere. The turbo version has much more power. Even on our hills, you what spend 2 minutes on the actual hill, is that such a big deal to go a bit slower.Wait, so what's the best SUV to do 80% suburban driving with the occasional weekend day-trips going up mountains etc?
Make sure your household has one EV and one Petrol - I wouldn't use my EV to go up mountains etc, in exactly the same way I wouldn't want to spend money driving to work in my petrol car.
Still overpriced.
Am personally loving the deluge of cheap chinese cars while the Koreans, Japanese, europeans and americans get caught with their pants down. Trump's only going to make it better for us as well as he closes their gates.
For an ice cars these are pretty good value under $30k.
Hyundai have one of the best adas systems and the sedans specifically are very nice inside and out. The gearbox is very smooth and has decent power for the engine size.
I had a 2021 N line and my in-laws have the 2021 base like this and both are excellent cars.
The MG5 might be the best, cheaper alternative which I also think looks good from what I've seen.
This is almost as big as a Mazda 6, supposedly a segment up. It's only 1in shorter than the last Honda Accord Euro, with a longer wheelbase too.
Much better value than tue i30 hatch imo
Looking forward to a $25k chinese EV at the rate it's going
Koreans aren't caught with their pants down though. Japan is, that's why Toyoda was over in Korea signing agreements with Hyundai-Kia to use their battery tech, hydrogen tech, self-driving tech, etc. Korea's still more advanced than China, they just can't afford to lose $10k per car like China can.
Hydrogen, lol
What's funny?
@serpserpserp: Betamax actually recorded in better quality than VHS…
I don't see Hydrogen taking off in passenger vehicles anytime soon, or probably ever… maybe in patrol cars and taxis the same way as LPG? But Hydrogen's already great for larger vehicles such as buses, trucks, etc. and is taking off in Korea.
Sydney's used hydrogen buses for a while. Cities won't want a fleet of BEV buses due to the cost and charging times, but diesels are too polluting in cities. That leaves hydrogen.
@besttechadvisor: Hydrogen-fueled cars are extremely dangerous:
They are highly flammable and explosive, with very high combustion temperatures.
Hydrogen has a strong tendency to diffuse (small molecules) and is colorless and odorless (making leaks difficult to detect), making it prone to leaks that can lead to explosions and high temperatures.In my opinion, all hydrogen-powered cars are moving explosives! This is middle school chemistry!
@LunnLunn: Yeah, yeah, yeah… They say the same thing about EVs being explosive, then EV crowd points out there's more does in petrol and that petrol is also explosive.
Don't forget LPG is also an explosive, naturally odourless and colorless gas, yet I didn't see a huge number of Falcon taxis exploding everywhere back in the day.
If we're going discuss field, let's do so without fear mongering… Plenty of hydrogen buses in Sydney right now without any issue.
I'd also prefer the risk of an explosive (FC)EV over the health effects of breathing in city smog from petrol and diesel (and still a risk of explosion).
@besttechadvisor: Hydrogen sits right at the top of the periodic table—the most unstable element of them all.
But hey, I didn’t write the rules! 😄@LunnLunn: Yes, and petrol is a hydrocarbon. So, would you like to spurt carcbon monoxide, co2, etc all over the place along with your to make it a bit less explosive (but still explosive), but then we have to breathe in a bunch of toxins? It's also not as simple as "hydrogen is more flammable and doesn't smell". Sure, but we can add an odourant to hydrogen just like we do with LPG. Hydrogen also doesn't pool, neither in the air nor all over Buddhist monks, so it's much less of a fire risk in other respects.
@besttechadvisor: Hydrogen's issues are the fact that for residential use, the infrastructure needs to be from the ground up. Busses can use electric, just make them have Pantograph and charge on top of bus stops!
@Cozzie: The infrastructure needs to be built no matter what we're talking about. I'm not really proposing hydrogen for 'residential' use, though.
Hydrogen buses can go anywhere, e.g. greyhounds, replace train lines, etc. Having chargers at bus stop will require strict routes. I haven't done the math on it yet, but I would suspect it also means a lot more waiting at bus stops.
Betamax actually recorded in better quality than VHS…
Yes I said it for a reason. Compared to petrol it seems like the obvious choice and better in nearly every way.
Except you can't access it.
Comparing hydrogen to electric is like comparing Betamax to DVDs. Nobody really liked DVDs at the start because they were expensive and didn't appear good value except for enthusiasts. But eventually everyone was converted.
@serpserpserp: I feel like the metaphor is wearing a bit thin. There doesn't need to be one fuel to rule them all, and I doubt there will be.
I suspect there will be a mix of BEVs, PHEVs/EREVs, and FCEVs over time.
Battery technology will improve a lot, but it ultimately has its limitations and that cannot be overcome for certain applications. I doubt there'll ever be wide adoption if BEV tanks, aeroplanes, or rockets, as extreme examples.
@besttechadvisor: Depends. With the amount of research in the field, it is likely that the power density for batteries will continue to rapidly increase, then we'll have to see if it reaches parity with other fuels. The discharge rate will also rapidly increase which should help on large vehicles.
Out of the three power sources we are talking about here, electric has the most realistic potential given the amount is y research plowed into it.
Curious to hear how Trump makes it better for Australia.
There’s already a 25% tax for SUVs and light trucks manufactured outside the U.S. The entry level Land Cruiser Prado costs $85K AUD in the U.S., that’s $5K more than the entry level Prado in Australia
Basically, if trump blocks chinese car imports, those companies will need to send their cars elsewhere/dump into other markets that aren't taxing the crap out of them.
I.e. us.
That's already happening. The US introduced a 100% tariff on Chinese made EVs back in May which has effectivly stopped the introduction of Chinese EVs into the US market. The EU recently significantly increased tariffs on Chinese EVs as well.
Lucky they can just focus on their home market which accounts for c. 40% of car purchases a year. The next biggest is India. Can sell cars their too.
Not bad price, but that design… Why?
I30 sedan is one of the best looking cars out there
I agree. The I30N sedan is a great car and it looks fantastic.
Those creased doors says otherwise
each to their own I guess
I think it looks nice
Saw a YT vid of a mechanic breaking down the design implications and those creased doors do run up the cost just cause of the many polygons in that shape.
Each to their own I guess but I was exactly the opposite and think they are one of the ugliest cars on the road , it is just trying to hard to look modern but just looks ugly , when I first saw them I was so disappointed it was an I30 as I'm a I30 fan , I'm on my second one now although its a I30N FL DCT Hatch , beast of a car.
I think they were trying to recreate some sharp lines like a Lexus, but failed miserably lol
I've got an I20N and it's the best car I've ever owned.
I like both the hatch and sedan I30Ns but prefer the latter.
When the i30 Sedan N came out I roasted it also because of its proportions and rear but it has grown on me after the 24 FL and looks very nice with the aftermarket diffuser, spoilers and lips.
i30N and i30N fast back look nicer stock though but imo sedan stands out more especially with aftermarket kits
Not sure about looks but Hyundai is one of the most reliable car brands besides Toyota, Mazda, Nissan, Subaru etc. Low maintenance cost and parts are relatively cheaper too. It's just much more economical to drive these brands vs a European or American brand.
$21,999
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$21,999!
Wait, $21,999?
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The i30 sedan is one ugly POS. It’s way too long, huge overhang.
The hatchback is a lean clean design but is now a ridiculous price.
The i30 sedan is one ugly POS
It couldn't be, could it, that that is the reason they are having to sell the sedan cheap to get it moving out of the showrooms.
I think the Sonata looks great. It has a nice presence on the road.
Agreed, looks horrible. At least the overseas versions have "Elantra" spelled out across the rear. Ours looks weird with the little "i30" badge off to the side.
Still waiting for Rav4 prices to drop -_-
Aren't they all hybrid's now. Hybrids won't be able to compete on price, too complex.
can't see that happening. Australians will happily pay whatever Toyota charge. It's a bit of a cult at this point
Buy Expengsive car
This is starting to look like what happened in the 1980's when Japanese cars arrived in Australia. They were cheaper and had more features than the established brands ( Ford and Holden ).
I wonder how low the Chinese car prices will go. 2 years ago an MG HS hybrid was more than $50,000 retail. It's something like $37,000 now.
As for their resale value - it might get cheaper to buy a second hand Chinese EV , than to buy a household battery.
On the MG users forum, people are already sharing how they did that. $30k for a 51kwh battery.
Still from what I have read, such solutions are sounding clunky.They managed to do V2H with mg4?
Sorry my reply was misleading, no people are using V2L to power their entire houses at night.
Yeah must be a small house, and possibly non-compliant, one guy share his gear\setup.
Others had sparkies add inbound ports on the switchboard for generators (apparently common in regional areas), so people just connect their cars to the port intended for the generator.If this is a consideration wait for V2G to be adopted. Currently to discharge from many cars you need to manually select "discharge" from the cars menu.
So very gimmicky, but handy in a blackout.
I think you mean 1970s not 80s.
It started in the 1960s, the Datsun 1600 for example outclassed everything in its class.
Started in 60s yes. But most brands like Mazda, Subaru and Honda didn't release mainstream models until the 70s.
@Mondorock: Mazda was in the 60's. The first Honda was a 2 or 3 cylinder micro car in the 70s and I definitely would not call mainstream lol. I can not remember any Subaru models until the 80's
@Buttocks: Fair enough. Mazda entered the US market in 1970. First Honda Civic was 1973. And in the 70s Subaru had 1400/1600 sedans and the "4WD wagon" as it was simply known as.
Japanese cars arrived in Australia in the 60's (landcruiser earlier). Their popularity increased in the 70's…they had carpet and a heater as standard equipment when they were accessorise in local built Fords and Holdens.
Can we all just have a moment of silence for carsales men/women… Their 3 years of easy money is over, back to work fellas!
How about we silence carsales men/women in general
Nooo…they'll get 1 week training and obtain their real-estate agent license then realize they can afford a new BMW with-in a year or two.
Reckon the i30n price will drop too?
I doubt it. Hyundai can't sell enough N-badged cars as demand always outstrips supply - and this current I30N may be the end of the line, so even more demand
I have seen a few second hand N cars in the N Facebook groups up for sale for cheap recently. Facelift sedan and hatches in the low-mid 30k's.
Where are you seeing low 30k’s for facelift?
I’ve been tracking for ages and most PFL is 28-34K. FL is mostly around 36-42k depending on kms
N Performance Buy and Sell Aus Fb group - There's a 2022 sedan N auto with 40k kms in there right now for $34k
Hyundai i30 Owners Australia - FL Manual Hatch for $35k (although he did only say the weekend that past only)@Emphasise: Already have a FL hatch and on the FB groups haha. Been tracking prices to see how much I’ve lost haha.
The used car market in aus has collapsed.
Next will be housing.
Followed by asx.
ASX then housing.
They'll let people use their super for deposit on a house. Then the housing market is going to tank when last of the bag holders are exhausted.
I don't think you understand supply and demand…plus the banking system and politicians with a vested interest in keeping the housing market afloat.
Car market at the most will retrace. Some sectors of the ASX will struggle but not as a whole.
I don't think you understand supply and demand
Even economists get it wrong and they got specialist degree. We're all waiting for your lecture.
That sweet sweet unlimited superannuation money helps the ASX stay afloat.
That will be best use of Super. I hope they start it soon.
Socialism has consequences
Careful ozbargain oprechniks will downvote you
What socialism? The used car market and housing market collapsing are both good things
What socialism… Really? :/
Also, like everything, yeah it's good for some and not good for others… Good for those who have a heap of cash/liquid assets on the side ready to buy up… Not so good for those first home buyers who've worked their arses off, taken money out of their super, used all the bloody schemes and shit that's available to buy a house and then they are 250k underwater on their house due to said "collapse".
I also note you left the collapse of the ASX out of that list.
@WinstonWithAY: Right, so we are going to go straight to the insults are we, straight off the rabid lefty playbook lol so at least you are predictable.
Socialism in Australia hey… Well we can start with the elephant in the room that is NDIS.
NDIS is absolutely drowning our economy and it's on track to cost more than the aged pension AND Medicare combined within the decade.
That's something that is supposed to be "supporting" something like 1% of the population… But like all of these socialist policies, they just get exploited and before you know it we are all funding to the tune of 50k per year everyone with ADHD/mild autisms "equine therapy" (horse riding). It's absolutely ridiculous and doesn't just need trimming in around the edges like the current government makes out, it needs scrapping and starting over.
@Binchicken22: You don't know what socialism is. Just as you don't care about supporting 1% of the population, ie. disabled people, I don't care about supporting wealthy property slumlords who comprise the 1%, and boomers who were born at the right time.
You've been on this site for 12 years and have less posts than me, I am actualising my socialist philosophy by redistributing more deals to the people than you. Grow up and spend less time being wrong and stupid, post more deals instead.
@WinstonWithAY: What a weird take.
"No one knows what socialism is but me!!"
You aren't on Reddit anymore mate, grow up a bit with this bullshit.
NDIS is absolutely a socialist policy, are you arguing it isn't? Or are you still just trying to roll with this weird thing of you wanting me to define "socialism"?
@Binchicken22: Careful bashing the NDIS, it’s a cash cow for probably half the people browsing this site
Discount on Mitsubishi ASX would be good. Ancient product but it has proven itself to be quite durable. good for anyone looking for simple brand new car
Wife bought an ex-demo 2021 model for 22K back in 2022. Been rock solid. reliable as hell. Can sometimes get over 800KM on a tank of freeway driving.
show me a history of house pricing collapsed in Australia.
Xiaomi has a car. It looks like a Porsche but is built to a horrible standard.