Free 10 Years Extended Warranty on XPENG G6 Parts & Battery (Valued at $4,980) & First Car Service (Valued at $238) @ XPENG

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Free 10 Years Extended Warranty on XPENG G6 Parts & Battery (Valued at $4,980) & First Car Service (Valued at $238) @ XPENG
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Complimentary bonus 2 years battery warranty and 5 year vehicle parts warranty to total 10 years of each.

XPENG Australia Launch Offer: Complimentary 10-Year Extended Warranty and First-Year Servicing

Offer Details

Extended Warranty: Eligible customers will receive a complimentary extended warranty for up to 10 years, which includes:

  • A 5-year manufacturer’s warranty.
  • An additional 5-year extended warranty on car parts at no extra cost. Valued at $2,990.
  • An 8-year manufacturer’s warranty on the battery with an optional 2-year extension, totalling 10 years for battery parts valued at $1,990

First-Year Complimentary Servicing: Eligible customers will enjoy a complimentary standard service valued at $238, redeemable within the first year of delivery at any of our trusted service partners or XPENG dealers.

XPENG G6

Standard Range (435 km WLTP, 66kWh LFP Battery)
$54,800 + On-Road Costs

State Drive Away Price
ACT $55,809.40
NSW $57,912
NT $55,590.30
QLD $56,679.35
SA $57,646.11
TAS $57,628.42
VIC $57,990.05
WA $59,381.15

Long Range (570 km WLTP, 87.5 kWh NCM Battery)
$59,800 + On-Road Costs

State Drive Away Price
ACT $60,809.40
NSW $63,162
NT $60,740.30
QLD $61,779.35
SA $62,846.11
TAS $62,828.42
VIC $63,200.05
WA $64,733.75
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Comments

  • Bigfellaborham on 09/11/2024 - 08:53
    +9

    Solid warranty.

    • 1st-Amendment on 09/11/2024 - 09:23
      +67

      Solid warranty.

      If they're still around in ten years to honour it.

      And before someone cries 'sInOpHoBiA', this applies to any new company. I just bought a van and it's the exact same reason I chose Toyota over the cheaper Renault.

      • noisymime on 09/11/2024 - 09:27
        +100

        applies to any new company

        You know Renault is older than Toyota right? 😄

        • Kanjus on 09/11/2024 - 09:41
          +49

          True although who woulda thunk 10 years ago we would be sitting here with Holden down the dunny

          • noisymime on 09/11/2024 - 09:53
            +16

            @Kanjus: It was 2013 the LNP advised they were pulling the subsidies, so it’s been 11 years since Holden was effectively known to be a disappearing. Time goes quick.

          • MrThing on 09/11/2024 - 11:38
            +15

            @Kanjus: Holden made shit cars that nobody wanted, hence why the government brought in a luxury car tax (also to support other car makers in aus like ford) and why so many government agency cars were holdens (or fords), to support a brand that isn't supported by the general public…….. thats why they went broke

            Ford also made shit cars in australia no one wanted…….guess what, they also folded their australian made lines

            • LSGH on 09/11/2024 - 18:04

              @MrThing: yup, company I work for used Commodores and Cruzes as fleet cars for the sales department, none of us liked them.

            • 2esc on 10/11/2024 - 09:04
              +5

              @MrThing: Its funny how many of these shit cars are still going 20-30 years going and not owned by collectors. Repair costs are actually quite low. Next time your on the road actually look at the older cars that are still on the road.

              • MrThing on 10/11/2024 - 10:19

                @2esc: Doesnt make them not a shit car

          • wilko23 on 09/11/2024 - 16:26

            @Kanjus: "True although who woulda thunk 10 years ago we would be sitting here with Holden down the dunny"

            Well they were doing mass redudencies in the Adelaide factory 17 years ago so…??

          • Serapis on 09/11/2024 - 17:29
            +2

            @Kanjus: There were productivity commission reports going back to the 90s which identified that they only managed to stick around because of subsidies and assistance.

          • Daabido on 09/11/2024 - 19:46

            @Kanjus: Most people. 2013 was when it was announced. Reusing the Commodore nameplate was just the last nail in the coffin.

        • rooster7777 on 09/11/2024 - 09:43
          +6

          You know that renault has had some "difficulties" right? (girly smiling face)

        • greatlamp on 09/11/2024 - 09:44
          +6

          Will they be in Australia in 10 years? Doesn't matter when they were founded by young johnny renault

        • maso on 09/11/2024 - 12:46
          +6

          Citroen are too. They left this year.

          So are Peugeot. They just announced they're slashing their lineup, delaying some cars, and are selling less than 100 cars a month - down almost 60% YoY in October.

          Renault are substantially more precarious than the larger players, albeit better than Peugeot/Citroen - they're sitting at less than 500 units a month (down ~10% YoY), and have a history of discounting to move stock (hence extremely poor resale).

          It's not just new companies, but new companies in particular are susceptible to market volatility and other new entrants.

          We're seeing a big influx of new companies, many with no prior existence or knowledge amongst the public, all launching into the same 12 month period, in the same segments, all EVs which have a small portion of the market so far - and the figures so far show a lot of churn between those new EV manufacturers rather than necessarily having conquest sales from incumbent manufacturers. eg. BYD, Chery, GAC, etc. are all seeing growth, but it's coming at the expense of companies like MG and Tesla rather than incumbents for the most part (EV market was up 6% in October, Tesla sales down ~25%, for the 7th consecutive month).

          There's definitely going to be winners and losers, it's just a question of which of these new companies decides they want to keep losing money when they inevitably fall behind other more successful new starters from China.

        • 1st-Amendment on 09/11/2024 - 15:09
          +4

          You know Renault is older than Toyota right?

          Reputation is not just time, it's quality over time. And Renault, in Australia at least, have never come close to Toyota for reputation. None of the French brands have. I have a mate who is French even he speaks poorly of all them. He says if you want wine, buy French, if you want a car, buy German (his words not mine)

          • MrThing on 09/11/2024 - 20:27
            +3

            @1st-Amendment: If you want a car but Japanese - Toyota, Mazda

          • dukeGR4 on 09/11/2024 - 21:19

            @1st-Amendment: Toyota warranty is worthless. They're just gonna pin everything on "skill issue" and deny your claim. from broken gearboxes to engine being set on fire.

          • graham johnson on 10/11/2024 - 07:53
            +1

            @1st-Amendment: he got that wrong. only reliable German car is Porsche..

        • Wombat cave on 10/11/2024 - 13:46

          Ii think he means the dealer network.

      • bigpoppa on 09/11/2024 - 09:47
        -3

        Ah so you chose a manufacturer that can't even make properly functioning brakes, or one that won't even honour its warranties just cos they'll still be around… what a concept of a reasoning…

        • dukeGR4 on 10/11/2024 - 10:45

          idk why you're getting negged for speaking the truth. I'm a Toyota owner and fanboy myself, Toyota warranty is worth nth.

          yes they tend to be more reliable than most cars, but when things do go wrong, especially if it's mechanical they tend not to honour their warranty.

      • Trying2SaveABuck on 09/11/2024 - 10:47
        +5

        If they're still around in ten years to honour it. And before someone cries 'sInOpHoBiA

        No it is 100% a valid point car companies can go bankrupt or leave Australia at the drop of a hat 55k ona car for most people is a lot of money

        10-years is a good warrenty but who knows if they will be around in 10-years

      • Bigboomboom on 09/11/2024 - 11:51
        +12

        To be honest this is why I'm leaning much more toward the BYD Sealion 07. This car has been launched 2 months now but they still haven't opened their showroom (in Sydney Airport) yet. At least BYD is massive in China and has been making profit, they are like Toyota of China. Xpeng is still losing money every car they make, although good cars what to say they won't pull out of Australia in a few years?

        • Creamsoda on 09/11/2024 - 13:03
          +4

          Mate, look at TrueEvs website and tell me it doesn't look like a crypto startup. They're into Jetskis, car marketplace, Finance and everything in between. Stick with BYD, Geely sub brands, MG etc…

        • GuniGuGu on 09/11/2024 - 17:00

          The first two sentences make no sense to me… Has been launched in two months now? What?

        • Daabido on 09/11/2024 - 19:49
          +1

          When some of these EV companies fall out of favour with the CCP, their subsidies will stop and so will their servers, and your car.

          Stick with BYD, or Tesla.

          The rest are rounding errors.

          https://cnevpost.com/2024/10/14/automakers-share-china-nev-m…

        • Wombat cave on 10/11/2024 - 13:49

          Please remember that you will be dealing with the dealership network here in Australia. Good luck with that one.
          Just think of Belcar .

          • Bigboomboom on 10/11/2024 - 15:05

            @Wombat cave: Which one, Xpeng or BYD? I have already owned an Atto 3 for 18 months and recently they opened a showroom/service right on my doorstep. Xpeng on the other hand still hasn't opened any showroom and you have to catch their pop up to get a test drive????

            • Wombat cave on 12/11/2024 - 18:44
              -1

              @Bigboomboom: All ! Look up John Gadogan. I don't really like the guy but he is honest. He posted a video on YT listing the cars you shouldn't buy because of their dealer network. Mercedes didn't make it.

      • maddoglee on 09/11/2024 - 14:14

        How many of you actually drive cars that are 10 years old?
        I've got a 2011 and a 2013 car and feel like I'm driving pretty dated cars compared to my mates.. although I do like my cars

        • Lucille Bluth on 09/11/2024 - 15:17
          +4

          Still driving a 2005 350z. Still love it like the first day I sat into it.

        • Sweetnsour on 09/11/2024 - 15:25
          +4

          Ive got 20 year old lawn mower and 20 year ICE car. Both work as good as day 1 with good maintenance. But just look dated. However im yet to have confidence that a new EV could give me the same mileage. At least i know my car wont have a software "crash", excuse the pun

        • scratchy on 09/11/2024 - 15:53
          +4

          @maddoglee "The average age of a car registered in Australia is 10.6 years. This figure reflects the overall trend of Australians keeping their vehicles for longer periods. Tasmania has the oldest fleet with an average age of 13.3 years, while the Australian Capital Territory has the youngest at 9.5 years"

          This is from 2021.

          Source: https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/industry/tourism-and-trans…

        • askvictor on 09/11/2024 - 16:03
          +1

          Perhaps, but resale value is a thing.

        • stevelo on 09/11/2024 - 19:35

          A lot of people don’t mind driving a very old car, until accidents (doesn’t matter whose fault). The old car isn’t worth to repair, insurance just pays you the market value.

        • drewbytes on 10/11/2024 - 07:11

          I've got a 2022 Tesla, 2003 Commodore and 1977 Datto.

      • getk on 10/11/2024 - 17:14
        +1

        at this rate of chinese innovation, i doubt 'Toyota' will be here after 10 years

        • 1st-Amendment on 10/11/2024 - 17:24

          at this rate of chinese innovation

          Lol, you can't copy your way to the top… Until China learns how to create their own things they'll always be the cheap copy version of everything.

          • Spec on 11/11/2024 - 15:30
            +2

            @1st-Amendment: this would have been true a decade, maybe 2 decades ago but I really think you should get with the times.

            FYI, Tesla who basically buys all their battery packs is buying them from BYD who has innovated and built its own.

            DJI has been leading the field and when the US tried to ban them, their own law enforcement protested the ban.

            TCL has become a massive player in the TV market globally.

            you'd be surprised what kind of innovation can come around with massive government subsidies for a few decades and over a billion people to work with.

            • 1st-Amendment on 11/11/2024 - 15:35
              -3

              @Spec:

              you'd be surprised what kind of innovation

              1. BYD is just a cheap copy of Tesla
              2. DJI didn't invent drones, although they have done a pretty good job of becoming a market leader, I'll give them that.
              3. TCL is just a cheap copy of Sony/Samsung/LG

              Your post actually just proves my point. The 3 best things you could come up with are all copies. Got any more examples? I'm genuinely curious if there's something out there I've missed… DJI is about the only company in China that can claim to not be a blatant company of someone else's tech.

              • Spec on 11/11/2024 - 15:43
                +1

                @1st-Amendment: i'm sorry, BYD's blade battery is industry leading and not a cheap copy of Tesla. if you're going to go there then electric cars aren't invented by tesla either, i'm sorry to burst your bubble. should i be saying that tesla is just a cheap copy of the Flocken Elektrowagen from 1888? or Sony/Samsung/LG is a cheap knock off the Telefunken who was the first commercially maker of Televisions? How about apple who copied the GUI interface from Xerox?

                We live in a world where things are being slowly upgraded and improved constantly. Just because it's not an total invention does not make you a copy.

              • grrrr on 13/11/2024 - 20:45
                +1

                @1st-Amendment: TLC is the mini LED innovator and tech leader.

                Toyota has announced they will be using BYD plug in hybrid tech. https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/if-you-cant-beat-them-…

                • 1st-Amendment on 14/11/2024 - 12:38
                  -5

                  @grrrr:

                  TLC is the mini LED innovator and tech leader.

                  Cool so the world largest economy and largest population has 2 innovations you can name, although if I Google 'Mini Led development' it tells me it was developed at Texas Tech and Kansas State university, neither of which are in China. And being a TCL MiniLED TV owner I can assure you that these are a good bang-for-buck TV but nowhere near being a leader. Sony/LG/Samsung and quite clear front runners here.

                  As for Toyota, it's quite common for companies to licence other company tech. Having a couple of innovations is hardly a guarantee that you are going to take over the world. Do you think the likes Toyota, Ford, or VW don't know what competition is?

                  But we can make this easy. OP said ' i doubt 'Toyota' will be here after 10 years'. I'll bet any amount of money you like that they will still be here, and #1. Only someone who doesn't know what Hilux, Hiace or Landcruiser are would believe that a budget Chinese EV hatchback maker will take over this market within 10 years.

                  • Spec on 14/11/2024 - 14:52
                    +1

                    @1st-Amendment: I believe the argument we are making is just to keep an open mind. The world changes and it takes time for innovation and technology to progress, helped along by manpower and capital. 50 years ago, Japan was held to be the makers of cheap copies of european innovation like household appliancs and cars. It was said they'd never match the GM, Ford and Mercedes of the time.

                    This changed in the 90s when Japan was innovating like crazy and the likes of Toyota, Nissan, Sony, Panasonic and the like become market leaders in cars and electronics which is when the Koreans got into the game and became the cheap copycats. Remember when Hyundais, Kia, Lucky Goldstar and somewhat Samsung was held as the cheaper copies? Yet, these days Hyundais and Kias are winning awards and becoming huge globally. Samsung and LG and some of the largest makers of appliances and technology. Who would have thought Jaguar and Range Rovers, proud British premium brands would now be owned by Tata of India? A company who started making 3 wheelers.

                    Innovation comes along with manpower and capital/funding along with time. China had its troubles in the past and is only starting to get into stride and has a long way to go. Yet writing a country off because they made "Cheap knockoffs" would mean you'd have to take out a lot of countries and brands that you seem to be so fond of.

                    • Spec on 14/11/2024 - 15:05
                      +1

                      @Spec: Just a small list of world leading innovations from China recently just from the top of my head as an FYI

                      Tik Tok
                      Uber Eats - Copy of Ele.me, a food delivery service started 6 years earlier
                      Share bikes (i.e. Lime bikes etc.)
                      Vapes
                      Hypersonic Missile (US is scrambling about this one and predicts at least 3-5 years before catching up)
                      4th Generation nuclear reactor
                      passenger drones

                    • 1st-Amendment on 14/11/2024 - 20:47
                      -2

                      @Spec:

                      I believe the argument we are making is just to keep an open mind.

                      I have an open mind, but not so open that my brain falls out.

                      50 years ago, Japan was

                      Yeah I keep hearing this story as if simply mentioning Japan will make you equally successful. If I mention Lebron's name over and over will I get good at basketball?
                      Lebron did it, so can I do it too? Success requires more than just wishful thinking.

                      This changed in the 90s

                      It never changed, Japan always had a culture of quality and perfection. Bogans who like V8's didn't understand Japanese Engineering in the early days, some of them still don't, but ask a WW2 pilot how well the Japanese fighter planes performed in WW2. Bansai, Samurai, Geisha etc Japanese culture has a long history of refinement, that transferred easily to manufacturing after the war. It only took a little time to get back in action because the nation had been bombed to smithereens. China has no such capital to work from they are starting at zero. It will take a least a generation to build that level of capability.

                      Innovation comes along with manpower and capital/funding along with time

                      Throwing money or people at problems very rarely fixes them. That is like saying that brute force beats smarts. That is very rarely the case.

                      Yet writing a country off because they made "Cheap knockoffs" would mean you'd have to take out a lot of countries and brands that you seem to be so fond of.

                      I'm not saying China can't build quality, I'm saying that based on the shit they are making now, 10 years is too small a time-frame to turn that ship around.
                      Wishful thinking is not a plan.

            • May4th on 14/11/2024 - 13:45
              +1

              @Spec: @Spec some people will put their head in the sand and refuse to see it even if it slaps them in the face. don't waste your breath, time will do the job.

              • Spec on 14/11/2024 - 14:56
                +3

                @May4th: lol, echo chambers are reverberating around the world as we're all having trouble with information overload and every man and his dog is putting out their own opinions on social media. some times, its fun to poke the chamber a little. But thanks for the advice, I will keep it in mind.

                • 1st-Amendment on 15/11/2024 - 09:05
                  -1

                  @Spec:

                  echo chambers

                  How do you know that you're not in one?

                  Isn't the ultimate test for this to seek out differing opinions and discuss the differences with them exactly like what we're doing here? Or do you think it's better to only listen to people who agree with your existing beliefs and if someone has a different opinion simply tell them they're wrong then run away?

                  So back to the subject, do you think any person can be as good at basketball as LeBron James simply by saying he did it therefore I can too? Or do you think there's a whole more other things required. This is the 'China is the next Japan' argument in a nutshell. Simply wishing to be Japan will not make you Japan.

                  If you are interested in this topic there a good book by famed economist Thomas Sowell specifically about why one culture can't simply replicate the successes of another here: https://www.amazon.com.au/Race-Culture-World-Thomas-Sowell/d… There are many videos of his on Youtube which explain the key points.

                  Make no mistake, I believe China will be a powerhouse, but it's going to take longer than ten years to be #1 for innovation. For that you need more than just people and money, you need a culture of creativity which they seem to still lack. And this can't be forced in overnight.

                  • Spec on 15/11/2024 - 11:35
                    +1

                    @1st-Amendment: Well I may be in an echo chamber but I'm the one rejecting a whole country purely due to it's history and saying I will not have my mind open till my brain falls out so I'm not sure, maybe you could let me know if I'm the one in an echo chamber? I like to look into both sides of an argument so let's say i'm stuck in both chambers?

                    if you'd like to get back to the subject, sure, i'd acknowledge your point regarding lebron if every country is a single person. Your point would make absolute sense and be absolutely applicable in this situation.

                    Regarding economic theories, maybe look into Social Cycle Theories, one of the earliest social theories in sociology and first known to be discussed by Plato in Plato's five regimes where he talks about the rise and fall of societies.

                    Funnily enough, you refuse to mention Korea and the rise of Hyundai, Kia, Samsung and LG or would you rather not speak to another entire country as it doesn't fit into your theory.

                    I'm not saying China will be #1 in innovation but if you'd like to look around the world, the US and Europe is in decline after the boom experienced in and 19th and 20th centuries.. Japan's economy has stagnated for the past 15 years or more. China's economy is also suffering but the chinese culture has always had a fascination for wealth after many millennia of suppression, it would only make sense they would pivot towards which ever path allows them to accumulate wealth quicker which if they figure out is innovation and perfecting products will pivot that way. It may take longer than 10 years but I believe your original comment did remark that China is just a country which makes cheap copycats and there are definite signs which contradict that point.

                    • 1st-Amendment on 15/11/2024 - 13:13
                      -1

                      @Spec:

                      but I'm the one rejecting a whole country

                      The comment I replied to was claiming that Chinese innovation will destroy Toyota. I merely offered an opinion as to why that is highly unlikely. At no point did I 'reject a whole country'.

                      Your point would make absolute sense and be absolutely applicable in this situation.

                      Well a country is just a group of people, so let's say the US basketball team. Do you think say the Peruvain Basketball team could topple the US just by wishing it to be true? Or is there more to it than that?

                      If a basketball team is too small, scale it up to a whole basketball competition, or all sports in general. You don't win at innovation by copying.

                      Regarding economic theories, maybe look into Social Cycle Theories

                      Well firstly Plato was not an economist, there was no concept of modern economics in his day. His 'social cycle theory' is philosophy, not economics.

                      As the great enlightenment thinkers such Locke, Voltaire, Rosseau, Paine etc built on Plato's ideas to safeguard against allowing a democracy to become tyranny. These include freedom of expression and a populace well armed enough to protect itself from tyranny. This is why the US Bill of Rights has these as the very first rights enshrined in them. China on the other hand didn't have this, and now they live under tyrannical regime.
                      An Autocratic tyranny can never be truly innovative since it lacks the very thing needed to create it, ie freedom of expression.

                      you refuse to mention Korea

                      I also didn't mention 200 other countries. Korea is very similar to Japan culturally so it's a similar story.

                      It may take longer than 10 years but I believe your original comment did remark that China is just a country which makes cheap copycats and there are definite signs which contradict that point.

                      There's an easy test for this, point me to these innovations that aren't copies?
                      Sure there are 'signs' that China is maturing, but you don't go from copycat to innovation leader in 10 years without a serous cultural revolution (see what I did there?). One that will be impossible with an autocratic regime that controls what people can say or do.

                      • Spec on 15/11/2024 - 14:55

                        @1st-Amendment:

                        The comment I replied to was claiming that Chinese innovation will destroy Toyota. I merely offered an opinion as to why that is highly unlikely. At no point did I 'reject a whole country'.

                        Oh apologies, I thought we were discussing the whole start of this conversation whereby you stated

                        Lol, you can't copy your way to the top… Until China learns how to create their own things they'll always be the cheap copy version of everything.

                        I didn't realise you weren't referring to the whole theme of it all and just referring to one specific quote which was not made by me at all, my apologies for my misunderstanding.

                        Well a country is just a group of people, so let's say the US basketball team. Do you think say the Peruvain Basketball team could topple the US just by wishing it to be true? Or is there more to it than that?

                        I am hoping that you're familiar with a data analytics whereby scale makes a massive difference. I could make a counter argument whereby I could refer to the Chinese Ping Pong Team or Diving Team etc. but I really don't believe it needs to be warranted. When the scale differs millions of times, is there a point? Should I be pointing to Elon Musk who is perportedly extremely innovative as South Africa being the most innovative country? or the richest country of all?

                        His 'social cycle theory' is philosophy, not economics.

                        How would you quantify innovation as purely economical? with the exception of intellectual property which is a recent development historically, one would argue that innovation is much more a social aspect of a society rather than an economical one. I merely stated Plato was one of the first and the list grows with a much longer and complex theory that has come around than one lone economist which fits in with your own theory (see what i did there?)

                        An Autocratic tyranny can never be truly innovative since it lacks the very thing needed to create it, ie freedom of expression.

                        I believe this is a concept which was propogated by the US only in recent history. After all democracy is only a recent invention (with the exception of ancient greeks and rome of course which failed) whereby almost all countries throughout most of history was an autocratic tyrannical regime. So should we be discounting all the innovation which has happened in that period including the renaissance period of europe? Yes, an autocratic regime can be stiffling to innovation due to a lack of freedom of expression but it does not totally suppress it. let's not forget it was the soviets who was the first into space despite living under a tyrannical autocratic regime. One which is arguably much more tyrannical than the current Chinese CCP.

                        Alas, I am not here to be arguing with you regarding political regimes and their benefits and failures. I acknowledge that a autocratic regime is "bad" for most of those living under one and should not be supported but I believe the conversation is regarding whether China is innovating and not its political system. I am merely stating that they are trying to and succeeding in some respects.

                        I also didn't mention 200 other countries. Korea is very similar to Japan culturally so it's a similar story.

                        Is it a similar story? or has Korean automobiles and technology was always innovative 2 decades ago and had not been labeled as cheap copycats in the past and has now past this stage? This may be ancient history but you may be interested to know that Korea was a suzerain state of China in ancient times and Japan actually came to china and rebuilt their entire culture based upon the writings of the Chinese in the past. Thus, the use of Chinese characters in their traditional writings.

                        There's an easy test for this, point me to these innovations that aren't copies?

                        I did, see above replies.

                        One that will be impossible with an autocratic regime that controls what people can say or do.

                        The political system aspect was never within this conversation and may hold some sway in regards to stifling innovation but if a system goes ahead and just pushes for innovation, can it be argued that it may increase technological advancements? see above comment regarding the Soviets and space.

                        As I stated previously, we have gone well past the time of pure "inventions" as such have moved towards incremental improvements. It could be argued that almost everyone is merely a copy of someone else (maybe with the exception of Mercedes who is credited as inventing the car and also a favourite of Hitler) thus the reason whereby the courts are always clogged with large companies suing and counter suing each other regarding the various intellectual infringements.

                        • 1st-Amendment on 15/11/2024 - 19:03

                          @Spec:

                          Japan actually came to china and rebuilt their entire culture based upon the writings of the Chinese in the past

                          Yeah China used to be much different before the Communists came in and murdered anyone with an ounce of intelligence and creative thought. You can't rebuild that overnight, or even in a generation, it takes many generations.
                          Isaac Newton famously said 'if I have seen further it's because I stood on the shoulders of giants', well China has no giants, the commies killed them all. The challenge here is not as trivial as you think. While Elon Musk is reversing rockets into landing gantries and deploying a revolutionary global satellite internet network, the Chinese are giving us Temu and Tiktok and cheap batteries which go into landfill. There is long way to go yet.

                          • Spec on 15/11/2024 - 21:03

                            @1st-Amendment:

                            even in a generation, it takes many generations.

                            It's been three generations by the way but I digress.

                            well China has no giants, the commies killed them all

                            Actually many emigrated abroad to places like HK, TW, US and Europe. Think of the likes of Morris Chang (TSMC) and the parents of Jensen Huang (Nvidia) and Lisa Su (AMD). You may think that there isn't much cooperation between China and TW but economically, TW has built businesses and worked in China since the 80s.

                            The Chinese has also been very focused on education and educating people abroad for the past 40 years. the level of Chinese immigrants started much earlier than the previous 20 years.

                            While Elon Musk is reversing rockets into landing gantries

                            NASA did have the space shuttle since the 80s. it's not their fault that the computing power at the time cannot achieve what SpaceX is doing these days. Definitely an improvement but hardly revolutionary.

                            revolutionary global satellite internet network

                            Maybe look into Iridium and Globalstar? Just because technology has improved to allow for a project to proceed and become feasible in terms of cost is definitely admirable, revolutionary is a hard call.

                            According to WIkipedia:

                            China replaced the U.S. in its global leadership in terms of installed telecommunication bandwidth in 2011. By 2014, China hosts more than twice as much national bandwidth potential than the U.S., the historical leader in terms of installed telecommunication bandwidth (China: 29% versus US: 13% of the global total). China began implementing a National Broadband Strategy in 2013.  The program aimed to increase the speed, quality, and adoption of broadband and 4G networks.  As of 2018, 96% of administrative villages had fiber optic networks and 95% had 4G networks.

                            There's a reason why China is not pursuing a satellite internet strategy, there is just no need for it considering the wired and cellular network it has already implemented due to an authoritarian regime which is not in search of profits and is happy to heavily invest in infrastructure to look good on the world stage.

                            Just as an FYI, China is credited as having built and put into service the first Quantum Communication Satellite. Would take count as "Innovation" in your eyes?

                            Now what Musk was trying to do with the Boring Company with the hyperloop might have been an "invention" in your definition I think (there were previous concepts but no one had gone as far) but I think they just made a couple of flamethrowers and called it a day.

                            cheap batteries which go into landfill

                            I believe 20 years ago, it would have been cheap clothes that would go into landfill so I would call that a win. it definitely took much longer than 20 years for Europe to go from clothing to batteries. It also takes an ability to make gadgets with batteries in them to make people buy them.

                            • 1st-Amendment on 16/11/2024 - 08:06

                              @Spec:

                              It's been three generations by the way

                              Since what?

                              China has only just now in the last few years actually produced stuff that isn't utter junk. I used to work there 15 years ago, so I know first hand the level they were at then. You can't have '3 generations' in 15 years.

                              revolutionary is a hard call

                              You mustn't work in the field. As far as computer networks go this is a huge as it gets. A single global network provider that can provide high speed service to every point on earth for pocket change is revolutionary. Iridium and Globalstar are stone-age by comparison. All the Billions of people in developing nations that will now have access high speed access to information and education will be the single biggest driver out of poverty in history.

                              • Spec on 16/11/2024 - 12:28

                                @1st-Amendment: Three generations since

                                the Communists came in and murdered anyone with an ounce of intelligence and creative thought
                                it's been almost 60 years, can that be 3 generations? if i may ask?

                                high speed service to every point on earth for pocket change

                                Let me get this right, so in this case, cheap is good. and just because it's better than what technology could provide earlier, it's not a copycat and is an invention. ok………

                                All the Billions of people in developing nations that will now have access high speed access to information and education will be the single biggest driver out of poverty in history.

                                heard of the OLPC Project in the early 2000s? Have you been to poverty stricken developing countries? When one has no access to even clean drinking water, let alone seen a computer, do you really think starlink access would change their lives? as opposed to a government built 4g mobile tower nearby and a cheap or ewaste mobile phone? with a hand cranked generator to charge it?

                                • 1st-Amendment on 17/11/2024 - 10:46

                                  @Spec:

                                  cheap is good

                                  Better products that are cheaper is good, Cheap shit isn't.

                                  it's not a copycat and is an invention. ok……..

                                  If you can't see the massive innovation of fully globalised high speed low latency network available to all 8 billion people on every square cm of earth then I can't help you. This is bigger then the Gutenberg press, it will truly revolutionise human progress permanently for the better. And you're like yeah, nah, it's nothing. ok……..

                                  heard of the OLPC Project in the early 2000s

                                  Yep, I even was contributor to it for a short time. But for all the good intentions, it was a complete lemon of a project, because a laptop when you have no internet or electricity (or food or water) was a joke. Good intentions, but poorly thought out.

                                  Have you been to poverty stricken developing countries?

                                  Yes have you?

                                  do you really think starlink access would change their lives?

                                  It already is. Look up what is going on in Rwanda for example. If you can't see the absolute monumental improvements that cheap and accessible Internet brings then we are never going to see eye to eye. Humanity in 1000 years time will look back at this point in time as an epoch shift, when humanity went from analog to digital and billions of people were lifted out of poverty. This is already happening in China, it will eventually happen everywhere. Cheap and reliable energy and access to information are the foundations for all of it, and Starlink is set to become 'The Internet' for most of the world.

                                  as opposed to a government built 4g mobile tower nearby

                                  Do you know how much it costs to provide 4G coverage across an entire country? Australia can't even do it outside major centres and you think developing nations have the cash for this across vast rural territories were most of their people live? Starlink solves this problem for billions of people. You don't seem to be grasping how monumental this is about to be.

                                  • Spec on 17/11/2024 - 12:26

                                    @1st-Amendment:

                                    8 billion people on every square cm of earth

                                    wonder why it's available to only available to mainly first world countries. Definitely a project to lift all of humanity and not a for profit.

                                    And you're like yeah, nah, it's nothing. ok……..

                                    Merely pointing out facts whereby cheap is good only in one definition and not others and in this case, an improvement to an idea which had previously been made by others and made feasible and economically viable due to the improvement of technology is revolutionary rather than an improvement. Just having some trouble keeping up with your sliding scales, maybe my inferior intellect is just too dumb for you.

                                    This is already happening in China, it will eventually happen everywhere.

                                    ummm, I'm sure that's all starlink, sure. Definitely Mr Musk's doing and all of it under a tyrannical autocratic regime. who would have thought. Definitely has no bearing at all to what I had referred to previously I'm sure.

                                    • 1st-Amendment on 18/11/2024 - 09:31

                                      @Spec:

                                      wonder why it's available to only available(starlink.com) to mainly first world countries.

                                      Because autocratic regimes keep their boot of throat of their people and deny them progress. See the connection there? Starlink is available globally but local despots deny access to their own people because that how oppression works.

                                      Definitely a project to lift all of humanity and not a for profit.

                                      This is a common confusion. Capitalism is what drives all progress. That is why the birth of Capitalism is Western Europe saw the greatest rise out of poverty in human history. Give a man a fish he eats for a day. Invent fishing rods and reels, and nets and fishing boats and he feeds his community for life.
                                      Think about all the things improve your life. Were they created by charities, or Capitalist enterprise?

                                      This is exactly why China, after suffering famine, death and destruction for decades under Communism is finally lifting hundreds of millions of people out of poverty now. More free enterprise -> more peace and prosperity. It's why those nations that continue to refuse capitalism like Cuba are still poor and destitute, and all the former Communists states that opened up their markets are now much more prosperous. China still has a fair way to go to get to the top, hence my original comment, but the contrast between Communism and Capitalism and progress is clear.

                                      is revolutionary rather than an improvement

                                      A slightly more economical car is an improvement. A flying car would be revolutionary. In fact the car itself was a revolution. It altered they way we all live our lives.
                                      Now in the context of China being number 1, I can't name a single thing that China has done that could be considered 'revolutionary'. As some counter examples, The car, the microwave oven, the transistor, the Internet, the steam engine, flight, jet engines, space travel etc I could name a hundred of things that 'revolutionised' the way we all live, none of them came from modern day China. I'm not saying they can't do that in the future, but if I take a snapshot now, and add in the recipe for how you get to that sort of level, it will take longer than ten years. That is all I'm saying. In my experience China only started this journey roughly 20 years ago. They are making great progress, but you don't go from zero to the top in 20 or 30 years. It will take 50 or 60 minimum, and that is assuming that your competition doesn't move too.

                                      I'm sure that's all starlink

                                      Never said it was. If you read what I wrote, I was referring to the path required to make the progress needed be lifted out of poverty, which is firstly cheap and reliable energy, China ticked that box first by building thousands of power plants (incl coal and nuclear, because they don't buy into the BS), then secondly they built massive communications/internet infrastructure. For other nations that don't have the capital that China has, they will rely on things like Starlink to make that same journey.

                                      If you want a more local example, just ask anyone in Australia who lives remotely how much difference Starlink has made. Now multiply that by billions of people who currently have no high speed Internet. It is going to be revolutionary and people in 100 years time will look back and talk about Starlink like the car or the microwave. A truly revolutionary creation that altered humanity forever.

                      • Spec on 15/11/2024 - 15:00
                        -1

                        @1st-Amendment: Just as an aside, yes, I would not buy this car either, or any EV for that matter due to the massive depreciation implications and the fact that I do not believe the technology is mature yet and needs to be much more refined with more improvements whether it be charging, the production and recycling of batteries, etc. I was merely stating that your thoughts that China can only make fake copycats is a little behind in terms of thinking.

      • neonlight on 14/11/2024 - 17:19
        -1

        Fierce competition with EV. in 10 years time maybe this type of EV will be non existent as there's already hydro electric ones in the pipeline even from Toyota

      • whyisave on 22/11/2024 - 10:56

        If they're still around in ten years to honour it.

        Chinese EV maker Xpeng to break even later next year, president says | 20 NOV 2024
        https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/chines…

        • 1st-Amendment on 22/11/2024 - 16:13
          +1

          Chinese EV maker Xpeng to break even later next year

          Cool. Citroen have been profitable for decades but they still withdrew from Australia because the market is too small and too crowded. It's hard to see how 12 new Chinese brands can all have enough market share to be sustainable long term. Roll the dice on which ones you think will survive here.

    • tunzafun001 on 09/11/2024 - 13:45
      +3

      What exactly is the battery "warranty".

      Batteries are very dynamic. One cell grows an internal short, and the entire pack begins to become effected.

      Results might be you lose range or lose power output (torque).

      The battery being completely dead in 10 years in any car is basically not going to happen.

      But a battery becoming weak in 10 years is very likely to happen.

      So is the warranty simply, "the car still moves 100m" all good, or range and output power of the battery will remain >70% since new ?

      A statement saying "10 years warranty" might as well say 1000 years… equally useless .

      • yummypinacolada on 09/11/2024 - 15:34
        +2

        Most probably they won't honour battery degradation for warranty claim. I bought PHEV hyundai and their warranty for battery basically applies if the battery won't charge or completely dead within the warranty period.

        • tunzafun001 on 09/11/2024 - 22:23

          Chance of the battery completely dieing (from a warranty event) is basically zero.

          Hence ..the warranty is actually nothing.

          I think Hyundai/Mitsi etc will be in the poop real soon. When a battery cuts out under load, and causes a critical incident (ie. Middle of a freeway or crossing a train line etc). So the driver will lose electric power steering, breaks etc. Then every manufacturer will need to ensure that every battery still has 'x' capacity to be safe. But ignorance is bliss so far.

          From what you are saying, that scenario could play out with a Hyundai. As soon as you pull over and remove the load, the cell would appear to recover, the BMS would be happy and the car would work again. So I'm guessing Hyundai would say the car is all good.

          So the battery warranty needs to be x % capacity @ x load.

    • kml22 on 09/11/2024 - 14:10

      If they're still around in 10yrs.

    • Roe Jogan on 09/11/2024 - 14:38

      for this to actually sell they need to price the long range at $49,990 drive away

    • hallo123 on 09/11/2024 - 21:22

      Warranty is pretty peng.

  • killingtime on 09/11/2024 - 09:03
    +11

    Given they just launched, who is providing the warranty? do they have service centers?

    • Look Up on 09/11/2024 - 09:51
      +10

      TrueEV

      "TrueEV will become the sole importer, distributor and retailer of XPENG products in Australia…"

      There are 6 faces on that page and only one of them is technical/servicing/engineering

      The entire operation has been running for just over a year

      TRUE EV PTY LTD
      ABN 59 670 677 255
      Active from 21 Aug 2023

      TRUE EV DISTRIBUTION PTY LTD
      ABN 17 675 726 191
      Active from 12 Mar 2024

      TRUE EV RETAIL PTY LTD
      ABN 58 677 256 012
      Active from 10 May 2024

    • Look Up on 09/11/2024 - 10:12
      +3

      Comment from OP's last G6 ad deal

      MKBHD on 30/09/2024 - 16:30
      The AU importer/distributor (TruEV) for Xpeng BEVs has today announced its vehicle service partner is Ultratune

      • aragornelessar on 09/11/2024 - 11:00
        +19

        For the people who aren't clicking the reference quote, the rest of it is relevant too.

        Copied from an FB group:

        Unfortunate news! 😳
        The AU importer/distributor (TruEV) for Xpeng BEVs has today announced its vehicle service partner is Ultratune, the very company that has been posting antiEV social media content for the last couple of years. The Ultratune HQ social media anti EV stance has been commented upon by many members of various BEV groups in Australia, and should be a major red flag to potential new Xpeng buyers in AU. 🚩

        Whilst the Xpeng vehicles themselves look to be a very good product, this decision by the local Importer/distributor will cast doubt over what the ongoing ownership experience will be like moving forward! 😕

        Only time will tell how Ultratune actually resolve that valid concern

        • dukeGR4 on 10/11/2024 - 10:54
          -3

          what in the vegan EV crap did i just read.

          it's very common for social media team to act completely unhinged and sarcastic. just a bit of banter. look at Wendy's, Duolingo and heck even Ryan Air.

          It's like saying you don't wanna use Duolingo because the owl is threatening GBH?? or glorifying violence?

          but again i do not completely understand these EV people. I once saw them trying to host a local car meet up with a BUNCH of crazy as rules and gatekeeping, including banning swearing….

  • langitbiru on 09/11/2024 - 09:05
    +24

    Will them last long 10 years in Australia? How many store do they have? How solid is their business? How can they convinced us to trust them?

      • abc on 09/11/2024 - 09:11
        +15

        Legit questions to ask a start up.

          • Vombatidae on 09/11/2024 - 09:18
            +12

            @AccessMax: Relax Max

              • rooster7777 on 09/11/2024 - 09:44
                +8

                @AccessMax: got over the bizzare outburst?

                • Deviner on 09/11/2024 - 11:35
                  +3

                  @rooster7777: He's just trying to use all the random lingo he's learned from Twitch chat in each post. It's a phase that he'll hopefully pass through.

              • adinico on 09/11/2024 - 09:45
                +4

                @AccessMax: Hey newbie, the difference in the legitimate questioning by @langitbiru & others, Vs your childish one, is his not trying to sell you something (especially so expensive).

    • cooni on 09/11/2024 - 09:14
      +1

      I mean what else can they do but offer a long warranty?

      • noisymime on 09/11/2024 - 09:29
        +15

        Having more than 3 service centres would’ve helped also.

    • Shiva24488 on 09/11/2024 - 09:19
      +4

      My only reassurance is that Volkswagen owns 5 percent of the company, and collaboration includes vehicle platforms and software.. so hopefully Xpeng should last.

      • shutuptakemymoney101 on 09/11/2024 - 10:11
        +10

        With Volkswagen owning 5% we know the cars will pass whatever government testing is thrown at them as well. lol

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