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elon my musk
@eman resu That makes no sense. Are you in love with him?
Front row seat, perhaps?
Ya mate, make sure the ice cream you are eating is non American…lot of people here are okay with autocracy by other countries but not America….
Well, thank your lucky stars that two wrongs make a right! Wonder how many wrongs it took for America to end up in the far right?
Better than the far wrong
Yep, agree, you left is right….and all righta are wrong…cant argues with yous can we ?
Only America is the only one claiming to be the world police
What does it mean, please?
To be fair, there is one really good thing about these sales - and its not the Teslas.
Tesla have alienated such a significant portion of EV customers, at a time when they're facing the strongest competition in the history of the company. Competition that's coming in red hot this year, competition that arguably makes better cars, cars that were already going to come in at better prices and with better features - the Galaxy EX5, Leapmotor B10, Xpeng G6 2025 Edition, Aion V, BYD Sealion and the Zeekr 7X just to name a few.
One of the few levers left for Tesla to pull, is price. As Tesla's retail prices plummet, it also drags the price of second hand Teslas along with it, making EVs more accessible to the public - this then forces the competition to price their cars even sharper than before, giving you, the customer, some of the best EVs in the world, at some the best prices in the world (outside of China, that is).
So let's take a moment, and thank Musk for flushing his company and the value of his cars down the toilet, for the benefit of us all (minus the angry Tesla owners…my heart goes out to you).
What exactly am I trying?
Tesla is known for significant price drops - they dropped the price on the Highland update Model 3 months after launch, much to the annoyance of customers who had just taken delivery. That was before the real controversy. If you think they're not going to keep dropping prices - especially in the face of much better EVs to compete against, you've learned nothing and you're probably smoking whatever Musk is.
@poppingtags: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/900560
Zeekr has jumped on the bandwagon of price drops.
@stopthecap: That's a 2023 car being discounted. And Zeekr are giving compensation in form of extended warranties & services for those who purchased at the older price. I'd love to hear what Tesla do for their customers when they drop their prices.
HOLD THE LINE
What line are you holding?
If you didnt think Teslas value let alone resale value was inevitably going to tank big time, you are delusional. It has literally been the stated goal of China to undermine and dominate the entire industry. And they have a mighty impressive track record of achieving it. It is what it is, they exploit western stupidity. Just as political zealots do on both sides of politics sucking in useful idiots to be on teams and hate on one another than pay meaningful attention to actual policies.
How so many people live in virtuous echo chambers cutting themselves off from information then once sometimes happens to re-enforce their prejudice "thats the reason" is just absurd.
Oh believe me, someone is exploiting Western stupidity - It's just not who you think it is.
What has China suddenly done in the last year to cause Tesla to massively tank ? Nothing.
Versus Elon Musk supporting Trump in destroying the world economy, funding far-right parties across the world, literally buying votes and giving a platform for neo-nazis to thrive on X.
No one who cares about democracy or Australian's best interests should ever buy a Tesla.
the actual left is now "far-right"
The problem with that is how far the old right has kept going.
Chinese made? Such as the Australian sourced Teslas?
@twjr: Tesla is the best-selling brand in China — it’s the top choice among Chinese consumers themselves. Other electric vehicle brands mostly rely on low prices and luxurious interiors to attract customers.
@Hi Hi Hi: No it's not. It has been having a YoY decline. This quarter BYD has surpassed (more than twice) well past Tesla sales in China
@raj koothrappali: raj: don't let 'facts' and 'statistics' get in the way of the reality that tesla is the best thing that can ever exist xD
source: bought a BYD that I am begrudgingly enjoying the s*** out of after cancelling a tesla order a year ago.
Tesla cars had been spontaneously combusted lately.
You do realise that the standard range batteries Tesla source are from BYD. BYD in it's own right make really high quality batteries.
@teatea: That’s not entirely true. Only the Telsa GigaBerlin standard range cars use BYD batteries. Australian RWD models use a LFP battery sourced from CATL. I do agree with you that BYD makes high quality and safe batteries though.
i don't think blue haired kids living at the parents in their 30s were ever EV customers
Didn’t realise 94% of Germans were blue haired kids living at their parents in their 30s.
If you keep coming up with analyses as brain dead as this, maybe you could work for Teslas strategy team one day!
Tesla have alienated such a significant portion of EV customers
Hysterical and immature children who vandalise someone else's personal property because they got triggered by a tweet or a wave probably don't make up much of the potential customer base.
The competition from China was always coming, Musk spoke about it years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzyJGIJt81U
Then if he knew about it, why didn't he respond?
Musk isn't a smart business person. Maybe one of his business (that he didn't buy) did well, but he's just dumped cash into others and isn't the brains behind Tesla as all.
Then if he knew about it, why didn't he respond?
He did. Have you been asleep these past few months?
Probably not, but as usual, your grasp of reality is nowhere near what’s actually happening in the world. 94% of Germans recently stated that they wouldn’t even consider buying a Tesla
I’ll tell you who probably don’t make up much of the potential customer base - right wing nut jobs, who have been hating on EVs for years, who’ve now come out in support of this loser and the frankly uncompetitive cars that he pushes.
Probably not, but as usual, your grasp of reality is nowhere near what’s actually happening in the world
And you think media surveys pass as scientific data? Too funny…
I’ll tell you who probably don’t make up much of the potential customer base - right wing nut jobs, who have been hating on EVs for years
Wait a minute, isn't Elon Msuk a 'rIgHt WiNg NuTjOb'? And he owns the biggest EV company in the world. Logic never was a strong suit of the emotionally fragile Left… Thanks for the demonstration, yet again…
@1st-Amendment: Logic is exactly what right wing folks are lacking.
He never said anything about scientific data, a poll might give an indication of a trend however…
I'll tell you what's not scientific data, you equating the alienated portion of customers to people who vandalise cars, that's an assumption that you pulled out of your rear end. polling 100 000 people certainly carries more weight than that.
And it's true that right wing proponents don't like EV's since they are better for the environment, the fact that an EV company owner defends EV's is obvious, doesn't change his political views. it only means that right wing proponents worshiping a "right wing nutjob" despite the fact that he owns an EV company is a contradiction, surprise surprise the right isn't consistent, they will support whatever is convenient at the time. now that sounds a lot like following emotions instead of logic doesn't it?
Logic is exactly what right wing folks are lacking.
Well you said so so it's true. Is this what passes for logic to you?
He never said anything about scientific data
So we agree that it is unscientific. well done.
I'll tell you what's not scientific data, you equating the alienated portion of customers to people who vandalise cars
I never did that. Another logical error…
that's an assumption that you pulled out of your rear end
I never made it…. logic fail…
polling 100 000 people certainly carries more weight than that
Using your logic if I survey 1 billion Muslims then it's true that Allah is the one true God. Anecdotes are not evidence.
And it's true that right wing proponents don't like EV's since they are better for the environment
Another logic error. This is what a diet of reading media lies gets you.
now that sounds a lot like following emotions instead of logic doesn't it?
False premise leads to false conclusion. Thanks for yet another demonstration having no understanding of basic logic.
Chinese warships 600km.off our shores….a big No No
But chinese EV collecting local data within our country YES PLEASE
What ice cream flavour?
A fire sale?
Too soon
Yes, the Riechstag fire sale.
Make sure it's parked next to a pile of books to save yourself effort
Look: whether you like the car or not, whether you like Elon or not:
try to judge the car on it's merits/specifications/reliability, not just the politics.
If this meets your needs, then sure: buy it as cheaply as possible/second-hand,with a free-facelift, whatever.
I still like ICE vehicles, but you cannot say that Tesla has not helped electric cars become more popular.
I happen to really like hydrogen Fuel-Cell or other "clean" technologies.
Please make plenty of jokes, because we all need humour in these crazy times.
@FlyingMiffy: Fair enough FlyingMiffy…
I am just saying that in buying a car, (or any expensive purchase), I think a proper assessment from the person spending the money needs to be made.
Politics can be important if you park the car on the street in a busy city.
But technical innovation also is important.
If a car is technically superior (and affordable), get that one? (which ever that is).
If you have solar cells and spare electricity, an electric/hybrid-car is not a silly consideration.
Here is a reliability review of electric cars, which are more reliable than ICE or other 'more-parts' vehicles.
https://www.whatcar.com/news/reliability-survey-most-reliabl…
@marcozmitch: Unfortunately the car is tied to Elon. So buying the car for its merits also means inheriting the hate on Elon.
Hence a fire sale.
The battery production behind the clean technology is toxic.
@keji: True.
As long we don't go back to horses and carts.
We do need to deal with climate change…
We do need to develop better battery technology.
That is happening now and solid state chemical batteries are something that will happen in the future.
We can still design more efficient ICE motors too, if that is needed too.
@keji: Extracting crude oil from earth, converting crude oil to petrol and diesel are way more toxic.
What is your point?
@marcozmitch: Tesla and Elon are tied to politics whether people want it to be or not.
It's a car that is consistently being reduced in price and a company that's value is being smashed world wide because of politics.
Take the car at face value but don't expect to be able to sell it second hand.
@marcozmitch: Absolutely. That's why I enjoy my blood diamonds and clothes made by child slaves guilt free
try to judge the car on it's merits/specifications/reliability, not just the politics.
totally agree
teslas suck, terrible build quality, glued with saliva, minimalistic style that vast majority of people dislike (give it a dash ffs). The advantages it had in the past (drivetrain, self driving) are not unique anymore, competitors can do the same
BYD/Geely are way better EVs overall and I'm not a fan of Chinese cars…
there, judged the car on it's own merits
@CrazyTachikoma: lol, you have no idea what you’re talking about. I own a 2024 Model Y and it’s amazing, quality is perfect. My car will soon be able to drive itself with no one in it and that will revolutionise personal transport. Industry experts estimate Tesla FSD is a couple of years ahead of the Chinese competition. Check out the recent clips of Chinese FSD beta testing to see its current capability, and that’s lower capability than the current version in the US.
@colster6000: Is it going to be able to drive itself "next year"?? You're absolutely dreaming if you think that's the case. Musk has used that "next year" lie every year since he bought the company. We're about 20 years away, at least, from a technical and legislative standpoint.
@colster6000: How is driving itself with no one it going to revolutionise personal transport? It's hardly "personal" transport if there's no one in it
@marcozmitch: Nothing says im a virtuous progressive more than setting fire to an EV. An asteroid might aswell come hit us. End this timeline already.
try to judge the car on it's merits/specifications/reliability, not just the politics.
No. Because when I resell this car other people will be judging on its politics.
What did the books they burnt talk about hmmm
If your happy to forego the facelift, serious car for the price.
Theres a market for corolla fibreglass bodykits you can just drop onto the tesla base. Or for the cybertruck as it falls apart on the freeway.
Just pick up the pieces and you can build one yourself.
Lego?
I think this comes with indicator stalks too
The new Y has kept the indicator stalk, unlike the new 3 although rumour is that will be getting it back too
There’s a lot more to this update than just a facelift.
Every car review I’ve seen highlights the significant improvement in ride quality. Based on how it’s described, it doesn’t seem like the new Model Y is doing anything revolutionary — it’s just that the previous version was, frankly, awful.
If your budget allows, the new model is definitely the way to go.
I think this is a good point. The new one seems vastly improved to what it should have been in the first place. Buying a family suv (sort've thing) and having unacceptable ride quality is… unacceptable.
4 year warranty. Might as well buy a lambo
That's assuming you don't care about resale value.
Because you need to factor not only that the brand is absolute garbage now but what crazy things is Musk and Trump going to do in the next decade.
Not sure about Musk but I think and sincerely hope Trump won't have another decade.
the best thing out of internet since Will smith eating spaghetti.. is calling Tesla a Swasticar…
Hakenkreuz is literally a German word for swastika (left or right).
No it doesn’t, hooked cross = Haken kreuz in German, literally.
Drawn to right is Swastika which is an Asian symbol of prosperity and good luck.
Drawn to left/reverse is hooked cross or Haken kreuz which the Nazi’s used. Hitler picked it from his days at Benedictine Catholic Monastery.
@backupper1: Both of them, left and right, are called swastika. Both of them meant something good centuries before Nazi stole it for themselves. To bring a good name back where it belonged some people use a term "Hakenkreuz" which in this context means "Nazi swastika".
@Azro: yeah true, the details:
Right is called Swastika, Asian symbol of peace and prosperity.
Left is called Suavastika, still an Asian symbol of peace and prosperity but used in off track rituals.
Left with a tilt at an angle is Hooked Cross/ Hakencruz which is a Nazi sign that Hitler picked up during his upbringing in Europe with no link to Asian symbol.
During the course of history, Swastika/Suavastika have been misbranded as Hooked Cross.
@backupper1: It's actually used in both left/right variation in many Norse or Asian mythology. The Nazi Swastika is specifically 45 degree on a white circle red background. The swastika itself was never a symbol of hate.
@teatea: Agreed, I wrote details in my reply above to Azro. Hooked Cross is very different to Swastika and Suavastika.
Do you do that on all Mercedes posts too?
No just the flavour of the month. It will soon be some other thing that people will be shouting at the clouds about
just the flavour of the month
This can also be called current affairs.
This can also be called current affairs.
Which can also be called Kayfabe.
Watching people get angry over the rage content in the media is exactly like watching rednecks get upset when Hulk Hogan beat Macho Man in Wrestlemania 5…
100 years ago versus a few months ago.
Do you not see the difference ?
100 years ago versus a few months ago.
Elon Musk invaded Poland kicking off the biggest war the world has eve seen and murdered millions of people a few months ago?
Do you not see the difference ?
Yes. Yes I do.
One is mass murder, the other is just Wacky Waving Arm Flailing Inflatable Tube Man. Imagine how emotionally fragile you 'd have to be think they are the same thing.
Plenty of BYD options in Australia too, we don't have the 135% import tariffs like other countries.
Tesla made where?
Tesla is Chinese company ?
Front seat row with the ice cream