Tesla Australia sales slump for seventh consecutive month
Since the start of 2024, the US car giant is down 19.4 per cent to 32,214 deliveries (from 39,985), and over the past seven months – all down on the periods in 2023 – it is down 34.3 per cent.
People keep saying it is because of Elon. I am surprised no one is talking about the fact that it could be because they have removed the stalks and the ultra sonic sensors. I am in the market to replace our second car. Already have a model 3 but wont buy another one because the new ones have no stalks. Probably will get a Polestar.
it could be because they have removed the stalks and the ultra sonic sensors.
What are these things you speak of? Tried googling to educate myself but to no avail
Indicator stalks - they are now buttons on the steering wheel
PRND stalk - They are on now on the screen!
Ultrasonic sensors aka parking sensor - Removed. They are using the camera to judge distance now which is unreliable.
Dafuq!
Ultrasonic sensors aka parking sensor - Removed. They are using the camera to judge distance now which is unreliable.
Aren't they prone to have phantom braking too?
Aren't they prone to have phantom braking too?
All cars with radar cruise has 'phantom' braking issues. Our other ICE car does it far more :/
@Caped Baldy: 99% of the time no issues but you do still get the occasional phantom breaking in some spots.
Muuuuch better than before. It’s not unique to Tesla, other brands have similar when they see something that triggers it.
Difference is Tesla keep improving theirs and push out updates over the air frequently
They were optional extras on BMW's too
Indicator stalks - they are now buttons on the steering wheel
Wow…that's a big change.
Going from a Highland back to stalks was a massive pita. The car is smart enough to not need you to put it into and out of gear on the majority of drives. Being forced to put it in drive before heading off was super annoying! Stalkless is the future.
I got over the lack of stalks on my first drive, hardly worth worrying over.
What about a 3 point turn? Or reversing into a parking spot? Or fixing your parking?
| Being forced to put it in drive before heading off was super annoying!
Surely this is an exaggeration. This is how all vehicles work.
Also, isnt auto shift from park a beta feature? I really dont want the vehicle deciding whether I am going forward or back.
Okay my bad, I started writing a reply and only partway realised you were talking about the gear stalk and not the indicator stalk. The lack of gear stalk actually hasn't bothered me at all, I really quite like the screen swiping - it's as quick and responsive as changing gears with a gear stalk. I honestly wouldn't go back if given the choice.
However, as for the lack of indicator stalk (and this is where my initial reply kicks off):
As a recently new Model 3 owner, I'll admit that if I had the option, I'd probably go back to indicator stalks. I reckon I was most conscious about it in the first month, where I didn't like the fact that I'd have to routinely look down at the wheel to find the buttons, whereas I never had to look away from the road when using an indicator stalk - I could locate it naturally. However, 2-3 months in, I've found that I can use the wheel buttons without taking my eyes off the road - so I'm acclimatising. In any case though, the rest of the car has been brilliant so it's not any kind of deal breaker - it's a beautiful drive.
Clearly not all vehicles, my Highland doesn't work like that? Put the seatbelt on and off we go. Going back to putting the vehicle in gear feels like stepping back in time.
I very rarely need to 3 point turn, and never need to fix my parking. Welcome to the future lol
I think the lack of a gearstick on a car without gears as such isn’t a huge problem. I do, however, question if it’s a sensible move with regard to child and pedestrian safety. Requiring the driver to manually engage the accelerator pedal by putting the car “in gear” seems like a valuable pre-start requirement to maintain if only to reduce inadvertent take-offs.
Requiring the driver to manually engage the accelerator pedal by putting the car “in gear” seems like a valuable pre-start requirement to maintain if only to reduce inadvertent take-offs.
There are not inadvertent take offs, the car doesn't just drive off by itself when you sit in it…. The driver needs to engage the accelerator pedal by putting their foot on the brake, this automatically selects the gear, they then need to move their foot to the accelerator pedal and press it to make the car move.
if only to reduce inadvertent take-offs.
And yet we have endless ICE cars in shop windows as people get confused even with manual gear selectors.
Stalks are way better for roundabouts.
Have you driven a Polestar yet? I wasn't a big fan.
Yeah I found the dynamics lacking.
I tried the 2. Driving was really good but it wasn't roomy - transmission tunnel and the driver's footwell was inclined so felt awkward to get in and out.
I'm going to try the EV5 next week so hopefully that's better but reviews say it feels a bit cheap.
@Caped Baldy: Another reason I am hesitant on other manufacturers is that they have required service schedules which kinda defeats the purpose of getting an EV.
and no heads-up display - " HUDs annoying and they aren't necessary for cars that are becoming more autonomous" - Elon… makes sense but dude your cars aren't fully autonomous YET.
If only someine would invent a way to turn off something you don't want? Maybe like a tap but for electricity?
Elon's a dreamer - perhaps one day he can find a solution.
Elon's a dreamer - perhaps one day he can find a solution.
LOL Elon does more in a day 'dreaming' than you'll do in a lifetime.
also, more people have tried and used Apple Car Play and/or Android Auto and they're just better for phone integration, messages, maps/nav, and other apps. No need for an additional subscription for the car's own premium data plan, the phone has data.
Tesla software isn't even close on where these two offer strong capability.
Tesla needs to add ACP&AA to an imminent software update across the fleet.
but then again, maybe software doesn't matter to most people. The MG is reported to be selling well and everybody rubbishes that software, though it does have ACP to lift it out of the manufacturer's dross.
Yeah about the only reason I walked away from buying one 3.5yrs ago… No Android auto
Yes. This. Bought another Model Y now because cannot deal with onscreen drive modes.
Polestar look great, unfortunately Model Y offers more boot space by far.
Get a xpeng
wont buy another one because the new ones have no stalks
You won't miss the ultra sonics, I have them on my MY and use Tesla Vision instead. Stalks, I like them, but everyone says they don't miss them after a week.
Probably will get a Polestar.
Rented a Polestar for nearly 3 weeks while in NZ once to see I made the right choice. Trust me, you will miss the Tesla! Polestar looks amazing on the outside, but inside its cramped, tech is strange and not logically. The back seat is a joke for more than 2 people, and has a transmission tunnel. Front cup holders are a joke and hard to access while driving, basically nearly having to reach behind you to get it.
Good things, the drivers display. Handled really well.
Why was tesla selling so well? It was pretty mucb the only EV available. Why have sales slowed for tesla? Everyone now realises that tesla fanbois are a bit painful, the CEO has turned out to be a right *#/€♤$ and these a lot more competition available.
That CEO just got a hell of a lot more popular today.
After the election or after his appearance on JRE ?
Both.
Maybe for some. I suspect its gone the other way for more.
Everyone now realises that tesla fanbois are a bit painful
Tesla fanboys are angels compared to the BYD fanbois….
The early adopters have adopted and heaps more competition from China.
Added to that, the "fanboi" network is at peak saturation. They can no longer buy a car and sell it for more to some other Musk simp for more than RRP, they have to sell them to regular people who arent buying for the name nor the Musk image. Harder to buy a new one when your old one is worth pennies.
That definitely costs fanboi's cents. Cheers
The novelty is wearing off
Tesla or Elon Musk?
yes
Any stats on the amount of Tesla fires in Australia in, say… The last decade? or two if that works out better for you.
Any stats on the amount of Tesla fires in Australia in, say… The last decade?
there were hardly any Teslas on the roads here 10 years ago.
Didn't answer the question… there were not any here a century ago either, but I just wanted you to have enough range that you could start at any time in history… Start at 1788 if you like… Or pick the last 5 if that works better. Or 7. Or 28. Or 9… I DGAF what your range is, I just want to know a time frame and the exact amount of Tesla fires there has been in Australia in that time frame…
The fires.
So, again, I will ask, "How many Telsa fires has there been in Australia from 1788 until today??"
So why do you want stats from 10 years ago?
I want stats from now…. going back 220+ years… Take your pick. Any Tesla fire, in Australia in the preceding 220+ years… just pick some at random… doesn't matter if it was last week, or last decade, just pick some… You said "fires" being plural, meaning there has been more than one… pick the two most recent Tesla fires in Australia…
So, I'll ask once again…
"How many Tesla vehicle fires has there been in Australia from *insert whatever year you want to start from* upto today??"
@jv: You made the claim of "fires", so either you have some source for your information or you are full of shit… Take your pick…
I'll ask again…
"How many Tesla vehicle fires in Australia can you confirm from your reliable data source for your comment that there have been fires"
You only have to give me two examples of fires (as you said "fires, meaning "more than one") OR you can pull the data for the number of fires for Tesla vehicles in Australia as a whole… (if you can break it down by year, that would be even better…)
I'll start…
1780~89: 0
1790~99: 0
1800~09: 0
1810~19: 0
@pegaxs: To be fair on March 13, 1895 the laboratory of Nikola Tesla burnt to the ground. He lost all of his laboratory equipment. Nil fatalities.
just pick some at random… doesn't matter if it was last week, or last decade, just pick some…
3 fires within 6 weeks
https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/tesla-fires-the-numbers-dont-l…
an average of one fire per 6.333 vehicles has occurred
LOL… an average of 1 fire for every 6.3 Tesla Model S vehicles on the road?
Where the (fropanity) do you pluck this bullshit data from? 1 in every 6.3 vehicles? FFS. Tesla would not be allowed to build vehicles if 1 in every 6.3 vehicles caught fire…
Based on 250 million car on US roads leading to 209 deaths annually
WTF? Is this made up?? The road toll in the USA is SIGNIFICANTLY higher than 209… Hell, Australia has about 1/10th the population and WE are not even that low…
Anyway… you are still dodging the question;
"How many Tesla vehicle fires has there been in AUSTRALIA in the past 220+ years??"
LOL… an average of 1 fire for every 6.3 Tesla Model S vehicles on the road?
That's sounds like a lot, huh?
@jv: It is when the data is "made up fantasy bullshit".
Again, for the hard of reading…. "How many fires has there been in AUSTRALIA from Tesla vehicles?"
And you need to cite an "actual" source, not some anti-EV blog cliaming that 1 in every 6.3 Tesla model S vehicles in some made up fantasy world have caught fire… I'll help… There have been roughly 2,600 Model S vehicles sold in Australia. 2,600 / 6.3 = around 412 Model S fires in Australia based on your source above…
Find me a link to two ("fires) of these Model S fires in Australia…
@jv: Because they don’t cite any source for their bullshit…
Anyway, I am using your source… based on your source, there has been approximately 412 Tesla Model S fires in Australia… just link to any reference to any of these fires in Australia… News articles, Reddit posts, any articles at all… you have 412 Model S fires in Australia to pick from, just link to two.
Because they don’t cite any source
That does not mean it's not true…
Trump didn't cite any sources for all his crap in his campaign, yet still won.
That does not mean it's not true…
Yes it does. If it can’t be verified or repeated, it’s a lie.
Again, please cite at least 2 articles of any 2 of the 412 Tesla Model S cars that have caught fire in Australia?
If it can’t be verified or repeated, it’s a lie.
Apart from your statement being false, how do you know that it can't be verified?
how do you know that it can't be verified?
I know because neither you, nor the article you referenced, cite any legitimate sources for these claims… ergo, it is false until proven otherwise.
The burden of proof is on the one making the claim (ie: you) to substantiate your data, not for me to disprove it.
Again… please supply the data for Tesla vehicle fires in Australia in the past 220+ years from actual verifiable sources. I would be happy with 2 since you said “fires” and “s” means “more than one”
@jv: Off topic. Deflection. Answer the question.
How many Tesla vehicle fires has there been in Australia in the last 220+ years?
@jv: Ok, 6 Tesla EV fires in Australia… good, we are getting somewhere… now, where can I find this data you are claiming as fact. Can you please cite the source for your claim that there has been 6 Tesla vehicle fires in Australia. Where did you get this data from?
@jv: Ok, good site to get relevant information from…
And on what page would I find a reference to these 6 Tesla related vehicle fires in Australia? I’m having trouble finding their reference to these 6 particular fires… do you have a link?
@jv: I can’t seem to find the data on the 6 Tesla vehicle fires in Australia that you made reference to. Care to point to what page you found it on?
@pegaxs: you have been on here long enough to know you are just being trolled by jv, he has no intention of adding anything useful to the discussion.
@gromit: This was the most frustrating conversation to read. I'm really surprised that jv hasnt been permabanned for being such a nuisance.
The stats aren’t actually relevant. What is relevant is the perceived danger by consumers not the actual danger.
Liquid fueled vehicles are more prone to catching fire and/or spontaneously combust on more regular frequency than EV’s, this is an actual stat, but I don’t see consumers avoiding buying liquid fueled vehicles based on this “danger”.
@pegaxs: Spontaneously inside your garage? Burning so intensely it can’t be put out? Nah, never heard of that.
Anyway, again you’re intentionally missing the point. Consumer behaviour is impacted by their perception, not your opinion of the actual state of the world.
Spontaneously inside your garage?
Correct. Both Kia and Hyundai have recently had a recall that involved their ICE cars spontaneously combusting and they urged their owners to NOT store their vehicles in any enclosed car parking areas.
And I’ll treat your information the same as I do jv’s bullshit… please cite your source for Tesla fires “in garages” in Australia in the last 220+ years… I’m happy to find you plenty of examples of ICE vehicles catching fire and burning houses down in Australia in the past 220+ years…
And I’ll treat your information the same as I do jv’s bullshit… please cite your source for Tesla fires “in garages” in Australia in the last 220+ years
The perception of risk is what drives conumer behaviour not the latest data from ev-world.net or whatever industry shill site you read.
The perception of risk is what drives conumer behaviour not the latest data from ev-world.net or whatever industry shill site you read.
What if that perception of risk has been sourced from whatever fossil fuel shill site youve read?
You kinda nailed it with "latest DATA from". Data, not opinion. Data says ICE vehicles are far more likely to burn than EVs.
@pegaxs: Fire likelihood
For four of the EV fires reported, one was linked to arson and the other three vehicles were parked in structures that burned down; quoted from here.
@sumyungguy: Added to that, the one at the airport in Sydney was a physical damage to the battery and the recent fire in Melbourne was caused by an EV charger that was not compliant for use in Australia and was plugged in using a travel adaptor.
Slump
Those damn Democrats…
InB4 #Chinesearedumpingcars.
But seriously, they've lost their monopoly and are now losing market share.
Not really anything amazing.
Not really anything amazing.
Exactly, you said it. The Australian EV market now has new, prominent competitors offering cheaper EVs - who could have not envisioned Tesla losing market share?
Additionally, though all far less significant than the above:
100% this… crackpot at the helm. Chinese dumping high quality vehicles here for a fraction of the cost. No more "only decent player in the EV space" market monopolisation. Two bland models. Removing features or operating functions…
I give it to about this time next year and either Tesla will be an "also was" brand that sells next to nothing (bottom~ish of the EV sales table), or it's going to be an all out fire sale price war.
Companies that used to buy up Tesla emission credits to offset their own are now making big inroads with EV's and dont need as many offset credits, meaning that Tesla's funding has to come from somewhere else…
There are now more options.
Albos automobiles
@Gdsamp am I doing this right?
Doesn't matter. All the billion dollar Fed contracts that will be coming his way very soon will more than make up for any Tesla losses for Musk.
That is true.
This time he'll actually have a proper seat at the table.
Oh dear god.
Not many MAGA EV enthusiasts.
Tesla’s looking old now. Most brands refresh their models every 3 years
have a look at all the price reductions for less expensive Ev's
people would rather buy a less expensive MG, BYD , GWM, etc (recent deals)
Seeing these Chinese cars everywhere on the road. You'd have to have a lot of money to spare to buy a Tesla today, and if you had that kind of money you probably would want an actual luxury car. Without self driving, Teslas look pretty poor value today. I guess Musk could just make a cheaper car to compete, if he already owns the technology to do it. Other car makers operate with tiny margins, that's how they all do it.
Are you aware how much the Model 3 and Y have come down in price the last 2 years? Both starting under 60k drive away now. They are not luxury cars.
Both starting under 60k drive away now. They are not luxury cars.
2024: $60K is not considered a luxury car price anymore.
This was obvious to anyone with half a brain from a few years back when Elon had a meltdown. Tesla hasn't done anything innovative for many years, or at best just taken out features.
You can get better cars for cheaper now, without a crack head at the top… So it's just a company starting to fail. Will see if he can pull it together but if not it'll just slowly go away with time.
Hybrid for the win