Tesla Australia sales slump for seventh consecutive month
Since the start of 2024, the US car giant is down 19.4 per cent to 32,214 deliveries (from 39,985), and over the past seven months – all down on the periods in 2023 – it is down 34.3 per cent.
What makes BYD better apart from the price?
battery, it doesnt need to be better than Tesla if it offers a comparable product at 30% discount, and not everyone likes the minimalism of Tesla where everything is controlled on the screen. the build quality is also mediocre at best on Tesla
BYD battery isn't better. Tesla sells LFP battery cars as well.
@JimmyF: BYD is a leading battery company and only started making cars in the last few years
Tesla doesn't produce batteries themselves, the ones Tesla "make" are produced by Panasonic in a partnership (Panasonic basically uses Tesla's giga factories to produce batteries directly for Tesla) - these are mostly the NMCs used in the performance models, the other supplier being LG.
Tesla does not make LFP batteries, they buy the majority of their LFP batteries from CATL/BYD.
@May4th: They do produce batteries but in partnership with Panasonic. They recently produced their millionth 4680 cell. Panasonic prior to Tesla was not known for producing EV batteries.
Yeah right the safest car ever tested by Euro NCAP has mediocre build quality.
If you want a car that is a good car and feels like every other car you've had in the past but is charged by Ev. Then the byd and similar are a good option.
Where tesla models set themselves apart is the software in the screen, the integration with the vehicle on screen, various customisation, mobile phone access and control, sentry mode constantly recording around the car, access to a more advanced adas system if you paid for fsd etc, constant ota updates, and just overall better user experience with regards to the infotainment.
The problem with all that is that it is very new and the lack of buttons and people who don't like their car beeping at them can get annoyed and confused.
So it's really up to what you want out of a car. Just something that gets you from a to b and is also Ev. Or something that is a bit more advanced in its features.
Rubbish. I have driven BYD it’s great but it's apparent it falls way short of a Tesla.
I am not a fanboi as I have a MG EV.
For software and charging, no one is even close to Tesla.
Same here. I went to test drive the Seal with great expectation thinking it's priced extremely well against Tesla but the whole experience fell flat and it no longer felt like good value.
They tried to cram a lot of features but nothing felt polished
Try Xpeng G6, BYD Seal is not built to Tesla comparison standards.
Mate, You are comparing Apples with Oranges. Try Xpeng G6 and your Rubbish theory will fall flat.
Have you? Why dont you tell us in what way it is better?
I tried the much vaunted ioniq 5 and it is a piece of $hit. The powertrain set up is so wrong that its impossible to drive it smoothly.
Tesla is easily 5 years ahead of all other brands for software features/quality.
What is clear here is that most people are not willing to pay more for a Tesla to get those software features/quality, I didn't.
I'm personally willing to pay more to not have my private transport be at the mercy of the whims of a moderately crazed CEO.
In saying that, I'm not sure having it be somewhat at the mercy of the CCP/Australia's complicated China relationship is better.
I guess Korean EV then??
Why does this have to be so hard.
I just want a car that tastes like real car (and I don't have to take to the petrol station).
That's a reasonable and sensible position, I trust you research the opinions of the other CEO's before purchasing their products. You are better than me, I own an iPhone and Windows device yet completely despite the principles of Apple and Microsoft and their founders.
I don't own a Tesla, and would be bloody boring if we all drove Tesla's.
What I didn't get is why people are so passionate over EVs. That was until I purchased one, you really can't go back to ICE.
I get how the EV drivers all telling the ICE owners how good EVs are really grates on the ICE owners. We are like Vegans,
I trust you research the opinions of the other CEO's before purchasing their products
I mean, sometimes? I'm well within my rights to decide who I'd like to make a little richer, and it's something that I occasionally take into account when making a purchase decision. Especially an objectively large one like a car.
Apple and Microsoft
I would happily use Linux all-day-every-day if my computer usage wasn't as such that I require broad compatibility. I would also love if Google didn't have such a stranglehold on tech in general.
Where I do have legitimate options that more align to my own morality as a consumer I generally try to take them. I don't feel like this is controversial.
Anyone can be crazy if you can be told to think what you think and you do.
Anyone can be crazy if you can be told to think what you think and you do.
I'm not sure what this collection of words means, but if you were aiming to sound crazy yourself… 👍
More than 5 years and when it comes to FSD, never. They dont even have training data to train FSD. Tesla has billion upon billions of miles.
BYD isn't any better. I've got a Tesla in my driveway, and my neighbour has a BYD Atto 3.
I go on a weekend away, taking the Tesla M3, and he goes on a weekend away, taking the ICE backup, as he has been burned by trying to public charge the Atto too many times with faulty chargers or it just charging extremely slow for no reason.
Tesla isn't just the car its the whole network of superchargers, dealers and the apps that make the experience.
Also, he had issues with servicing his BYD, which is a new car. Tesla has actual service centres. Mine is four years old, and my only problem is flat tyres.
I am, however, jealous of his bootspace, but that's the only part!
All EV's can access most of the Tesla Supercharge network.
If you know of an important area that has a Tesla super charger and blocks regular EV's, then point it out, but otherwise you have the wrong info.
He actually couldn’t charge at Tesla even though it’s open to other EVs apparently some bug with the handshake protocol on BYDs side
https://forums.aeva.asn.au/viewtopic.php?t=8822
Probably the reason his also had issues with slow charging instead of fast charging for no reason.
FYI the thread says there is a fix his been unable to BYD my car or whatever it is to acknowledge now exclusively home charges..
"I am, however, jealous of his bootspace,"
That was the only thing that stopped me from buying one when the Q govt had $6k rebate. I was waiting for the MYLR to drop another $2k to become eligible but that never happened;(
I'm too tight to buy new, and the Model Y didn't have good secondhand examples.
I got a Model 3 Perf with all the FSD options for around 50k, with only 30k and heaps of warranty.
It's an absolute blast to drive 0 regrets, it really helped the new M3 have a facelift the old ones plummeted in resale.
Good
The boat arrives later this month/possibly next month. They deliver in waves.
That's what she said
Can’t see the fossil fuel loving MAGA crowd buying electric Tesla cars or powerwalls. I suspect the company will try and distance themselves from Musk lest they end up following Twitter/X … value ⬇️ income ⬇️
Can’t see the fossil fuel loving MAGA crowd buying electric Tesla cars
An electric for me car would be bloody useless.
It's horses for courses.
Tesla Sales Slump
Perhaps the dreaded competition on EV availability is behind the slow down.
There's clearly a lot of hate for Elon Musk due to his political opinion differing from their own (politics don't personally interest me). I don't drive an EV but hope to get one in the next couple of years.
From someone I know who had test driven a few EVs, they ended up picking a Tesla. Personally, I also would prefer a Tesla not just for the software features and innovation, but as I just see it as the go-to for EVs. Similar to the iPhone in the smart phone industry. I've seen a couple of good remarks to BYD here, but I recently played with the touch screen and there was just lack of animation in some areas and lag.
re apple phone only in the western countries might that be true. android has a ~70% vs ~30% lead over apple
and when you break it down to to direct brand apple vs samsung smart phones its marginal 28% vs 23%
Correct (I actually use a Samsung atm), however a lot of the younger generation are accelerating adoption of iPhones. This means people will grow up with them in that ecosystem and will be less likely to switch.
samsung sells a lot of cheap phones but very few expensive flagships which actually make money. There is a reason why Apple despite being a small player relatively speaking in volumes compared to android rakes in 80% of all profit of the mobile industry - Apple = 80 and 20 for the rest and that includes samsung.
The funny thing, they can't buy a Tesla because of Elon, but will buy a BWM or VW instead….. or couldn't name the CEO of the car company they drive or their views, but can tell you all about how bad a Tesla is and its CEO are.
The funny thing, they can't buy a Tesla because of Elon,
I won't buy anything from any store connected to dipstick Gerry for the same reason. Why support douchebags?
So you can name the CEO of other stores you buy from and their views?
Yeah no problem with a company started by actual Nazi's but a guy who lands rockets, is advancing the civilisation in meaningful ways is the villian because his political choice is not the same as mine.
@dealsucker: Why would he align with the political party that isn't interested in “landing rockets and advancing the civilisation in meaningful ways” then…
If other CEOs make a public showing of their support for Putin's Russia, for toxic masculinity, race baiting, conspiracy theories, etc., I'll avoid their companies. If Tesla publicly distance themselves from Musk, and it's clearly genuine, I'll reconsider them. Are you happy to fund Musk's behaviour?
If other CEOs make a public showing of their support for Putin's Russia
Show me where he showed his public support for Russia. He showed support for Ukraine.
conspiracy theories
The funny thing with this one, is that because you don't believe it, then it must be a conspiracy theory, but if you did believe it, then its not one.
Are you happy to fund Musk's behaviour?
Everyone has good sides and bad sides. It comes down to if the good sides out way the bad sides.
They need to drop the price. 50k plus for an EV is cost prohibitive for the large majority
LOL Hate to break it to you, the average price of new cars sold in 2023 was $61,937. So $50k anything isn't cost prohibitive for the large majority as you claim.
Source https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/australias-67-billion-…
LOL Hate to break it to you, the average price of new cars sold in 2023 was $61,937. So $50k anything isn't cost prohibitive for the large majority as you claim.
Sydney had the highest median house value compared to other capital cities in Australia as of October 2024, with a value of over 1.47 million Australian dollars.7 Oct 2024
Someone posted here a few days ago here there are around 800 homes for sale in Sydney for for less than a million,
Not sure what any of that has to do with my comment, other than to tell me you don't know what a 'average' is.
@JimmyF: because your comment was braindead, you linked a source that had a lot of the best selling tradie vehicles which heavily skewed the price upwards. https://www.canstarblue.com.au/vehicles/average-car-price/
@gromit: I can see your brain cells had been sleeping (or dead?) during primary school math classes if you don't know how averages work, lucky for you, mine hadn't been.
@JimmyF: listen we get it, you are a mad keen Tesla fanboi and will say or do anything to support them, including adding work utes to your definition of "cars"
@gromit: LOL so buy the MG EV @ $31k, its more in your budget it seems.
But if you think the average person is only spending mid $30k on a new car, then you're kidding yourself.
@JimmyF: The article linked for $37k (or whatever the number) was the COST of a vehicle over 6 years, not the purchase price. So purchase price less sale/trade price plus running costs.
@Euphemistic: That article was from 12 months ago, so using old data from 12 months before that….
Lets look at todays prices, a Corolla starts at ~$36k drive away, a i30 from ~$30k. A Tusson from $47k
These are base models which isn't what everyone is buying.
Driven by sales to people who can write it all off as a business expense no doubt…
I think it's a combination of
1. More options now. With a corollary that this extra competition leads to steep discounts, so people hold off.
2. Early adopters all now have an EV
3. Lack of new models, people have been trained that new models come out pretty frequently and therefore current models must be "old"
4. Elon's repellent personal brand. An Oz podcaster I listen to traded his model 3 for an electric BMW for that reason, I'm sure he's not the only one
5. With the charging infrastructure being what it is I'd be shocked if the percentage of people who ONLY own an EV was very high, so it's a limited market to start, ie mostly (90%?) people who have another car, then only people who are happy for the second car to be electric
6. Then there's the stuff that's probably a minor factor, I wouldn't buy anything that was all screens and no stalks or buttons or dials. And I wouldn't get anything that doesn't have android auto and apple carplay. I also wouldn't buy anything where you can't open the doors without battery power, or that need some special technique to open.
Clearly more EV options available for customers and this is a win!
Let the updated Model Y arrive… sales will go up again. It’s just a cycle. As a car company, Tesla is not going anywhere.
It's ok, now that trump is in and musk just won 20 billion dollars overnight expect every Chinese company to be slugged a heavy tariff in the USA and Australia now.
Just like Huawei was banned. China cars will be next. All to save apple and now Tesla.
If you can't beat them you have to defeat them
Eh? Why would Australia change their tariffs? You do realise that Trump isn't the Prime Minister of Australia, right?
Crazy TDS stuff.
probably until the coalition kicks albo out of office and go about their usual US boot licking ways
I had to check to see if I'd accidentally logged onto Reddit…
The Coalition doesn't kick anyone "out of office" - that's the role of the electorate. Both sides of Australian politics are US friendly because they're a long standing ally and we share similar values and interests.
I really wish these insane takes and ridiculous hyperbole would settle down and people would be more rational.
@May4th: The LNP and their policies is more closely aligned to the US Democrat party but sure, keep talking nonsense. Our major parties are centrist in nature and that's a good thing (we don't suffer from the toxic polarisation we see in the US) and it's in the Australian government's best interest (regardless of which party is in power at the time) to form a strong bond and alliance with one of our long term allies and strong trading partner.
We need Xiaomi cars in Australia. Don't tell me government will block their VIN?
Well Tesla is selling really well in Trump territory.
Australians are spoiled for choice and more cars will come. I think Tesla will focus on other markets. In the end the European automobile companies will be smashed to smithereens except some specific luxury ones.
Some people will no longer buy a Tesla because of what Elon Musk now says and does and the fact that he supports Donald Trump. Pathetic but each to their own. I guess Musk is pretty divisive and polarising but he operates in a democracy and is allowed to say what he does say and what he spends his money on. But what I find really strange and even more pathetic is that a lot of those same people will happily buy an EV made by the CCP - a government and organisation that is truly evil and oppressive.
Bizarre but a bargain is bargain, and when it comes to saving a buck, morals go out of the window.
You misunderstand the issue with Elon and Tesla's.
He has complete control over the vehicle and updates. Here is a list of things you can't do if Elon says:
Service the car (Only Tesla has the parts, they refuse to sell to anyone else)
Repair the car in an accident (Only Tesla has the parts, they refuse to sell to anyone else)
Turn on the car (Talks to Tesla servers)
Insure the car (Its already hard to insure it but if Tesla makes things any more difficult for insurance companies and repairing, insurers will give up completely)
This is way too much control for one person and if something does go wrong with Elon/Tesla, you are stuck with a car permanently attached to Elon.
Literally no other EV has this issue so I went with an EV that I can take to any service station or repairer, and I can turn on without internet.
Thats a good point. Not being able to go to your local for parts or repairs because they 'arent authorised'. Blocking features remotely because the car wasnt repaired by authorised agent, cancelling features for a new owner because they want a subscription fee etc. Its all good for an original lease owner, but not great for second owner which affects resale value.
I dont care about any of the things you mentioned. Like most people I know. If you can’t afford it or find it annoying go with build your dream lol.
It’s called informed decision making.
You don't care if your car becomes a brick because you can't service, repair or insure it?
Obviously you do and you are lying.
Maybe you don't think Elon would ever make a bad choice for his Tesla company, thats completely different. (But I mean come on, Look at Twitter/X)
@samfisher5986: I love that X is a free platform now before it was heavily censored and run by purple haired freaks. I am very happy with X and very happy with Tesla. I don’t mind servicing it at Tesla. I service my iPhone only with Apple as I have extended warranty with them. Why would I take it to some uncertified shop that could break my very expensive device?
@mustang87401: Because if for some reason Tesla can't service/repair your vehicle (Maybe you said the wrong thing on Twitter) then your car is now a brick.
@samfisher5986: As a owner .
1. You dont really to do so called routine service.
2. Was involved in accident and repaired in authorised 3rd party shops.
3. As long as you are the owner, dont see how come you can not open the car? And its convenient to open the car remotely for some one else.
4. Paying 3k/year for insurance, not cheap but also not outrageous.
Sure, I get that but I think you'll find that there are now many who won't buy a Tesla because of his politics and opinions. Personally, I'd never buy a Tesla too as the ones we get in Australia are made in China - just as I would never buy a BYD, MG, GWM etc. I have mixed feelings about the guy. I like that his politics are right-wing and anti-woke and he is doing some incredible things in tech, space, engineering etc but he's also definitely a bit weird. I have no problem that he's backing DT and hopefully if he's included in the administration, he can do great things for the US and the West in general.
Interesting times ahead.
I'm one of those that will buy something when it's a bargain, most of the times, but even myself have thought about not buying a Tesla based on Elon, not just at this election but way before that when I read more about him. From the Twitter debacle to shilling Dogecoins and how he acts in general.
The guy is a genius on a spectrum but being genius doesn't mean anything if your actions are questionable. There are tens of thousand of geniuses in the world and some maybe smarter than him.
I would have bought a Tesla if he didn't start associate with Trump for his own good (nothing wrong with looking after yourself but if it comes from a person like Trump then yes it's wrong in my books). Now not so sure, even Tesla isn't that good of a value compared to other manufacturers.
Comparing not buying a Tesla because of Elon vs not buying a Chinese EV because of the China Government completely misses the point. It's the owner of Tesla that is a problem, not the US government where Tesla is based in.
As you said he operates in a democracy and so do we. He can acts and says what he wants and so do we based on his actions, nothing pathetic about that. If it's pathetic not buying a Tesla because of him then licking Trump's boots for his own good despite all the negativity that comes with Trump is even more pathetic because he's willing to sell his soul to make money, that's lowest of the low
Yes, not much of a choice: The union-busting super-spreader of misinformation or the CCP.
As long as NASDAQ: TSLA is up, that's all that matters to me!!
I got a brand new model 3 and it’s literally the best car for the price you can buy right now. It’s super refined and the tech/software works so well. Toyota is reliable but the software and tech outdated. BYD is nice from the outside but the software glitchy and goofy. Issues with the lane assist etc…
People who post these are anti-trump anti-elon lefties who have an agenda. Tesla is a great company, star link is amazing especially for people in the regions and every manufacturer including Toyota is having slower sales. I checked my local Toyota dealership before buying and they told me most cars are in stock or within a few weeks, the salesperson laughed at said it changed substantially within the last six months…
If you are having issues with stalks it’s because you just don’t know what you’re doing, it’s like boomers who don’t want to adjust to new tech. It took me a couple days and now I don’t even think about it. Move with the time or don’t but stop complaining it’s not the stalk it’s YOU.
No dude, it's the lack of stalk that's the problem. You said it yourself:
It took me a couple days
That's basic car functionality. It should take maybe a minute or two max to be able to pick up on any car's particulars. I can jump in pretty much any car from the last 40+ years and drive it straight away. Except a Tesla because it's a shit design. If I have to look at the steering wheel ever to find the indicators, it's a shit design. If I have to go through menus to find basic functionality, that's a shit design.
I mean it didn’t take me days to understand it but a couple days to not be in the habit of looking for the stalk etc. it worked pretty much right away for me, it is a change but so was using lane assist/ACC on my previous car. I really don’t even think about it anymore so I think it’s a great design and it works well for me.
Missing stalks really bother me although. So I ordered 24MY insteading waiting for the juniper.
All makers are selling less cars due to economy slow down. But only tesla has the abilty of click bate.
Have you lived with the car long enough to see if it is a problem? And you are arguing with a guy who has one and says its not an issue. The big central screen was supposedly a problem as well and we all know where we are at.
So instead of making a proper reply to the fact that Tesla cars become bricks the second Elon stops you or Australia from getting it serviced/insured/repaired/turning on. You just blame everyone as anti trump and anti elon lefties…
Its clear the person you are, nobody else is bringing politics into it, Elon's problems existed before politics.
Even as the trump loving person you are, you should still be afraid that Anthony Albanese could simply say something bad about Elon and Elon could just decide to break all Tesla's by stopping parts being delivered to Australia, because Tesla's are the only cars that can only run with Elon's approval.
Come on you know you are a rabid leftie who hates Trump/Elon. You can see you are in the minority and most people love Elon/Trump including in Australia. Tesla is a great company and one of the most popular places to work in the entire world. Whatever you or other people on this internet forum say is irrelevant as the market dictates and the market thinks that Tesla is one of the most valuable companies in the world. Right now its stock is lower but it will go up again as it has in the previous few days.
As I said, you don't reply with anything but politics. You've declared to everyone you don't have any way to back up anything.
@samfisher5986: What did you say that backs up anything. Objectively what you said is false. X has more traffic than ever before. No one left X. It lost advertisement deals due to Elon speaking his mind but as he recently said he couldn’t care less about the value of X and advertisement deals.
If you want to service your car at a dodgy neighbourhood dealer, buy a Mazda or Toyota. I have no issue with servicing my car at Tesla only.
I have no issue with servicing my car at Tesla only.
You may prefer to service your car with the manufacturer, and that's fine.
A lack of competition is, however, objectively a bad thing. Justifying it otherwise is silly, and wreaks of bias.
most people love Elon/Trump including in Australia
research suggests that only 20% of Australians view him favourably compared to Biden's 40%…
What the hell is this rant "So instead of making a proper reply to the fact that Tesla cars become bricks the second Elon stops you or Australia from getting it serviced/insured/repaired/turning on". Are you a brain dead zombie or something? This worse than Biden in the first presidential debate and that is saying something.
And we have 2 likes on it. Who are the other zombies?
Click on votes under the comment and you can see for yourself.
I made a pretty clear post on why Tesla sales would be down and his response to the car literally bricking was
I dont care about any of the things you mentioned."
And then goes on to be political about it.
@samfisher5986: You think you made a "pretty clear post" which someone disagreed with and the result is you go on an incoherent rant? Whats wrong with Ozbargain these days?
They are all crazy. It’s funny. They hate Elon musk so much for being free to speak his mind because he can’t be cancelled like them at their wagie job. Who cares what these crazies are saying. You can see how they are seething.
I got a brand new model 3 and it’s literally the best car for the price you can buy right now.
For you it is.
FYI. I think my Mitsubishi 7 seater Outlander is the best car you can buy.
Haha Mitsubishi 7 seater outlander is a decent car but it’s on another level to a Tesla. Driveway price online is under 40k and the model 3 I bought is 60k so obviously the price tells you it’s in another league. It’s not an EV, it has none of the self driving feature that Tesla has including FSD capabilities. While you might like your car it’s not the same as a Tesla.
-1
FSD capabilities.
LMFAO
teslas are far from full self driving with its cameras
Hardware 3 is not capable of unsupervised FSD
fanboi much
overpriced garbage with no spare parts
Except that its more about BMS now than the actual battery itself since is so commoditised now. And Cybertruck can only be sold in the biggest truck market in the world - what a poor choice.
Yes it cannot be sold in Europe because it will never meet their pedestrian safety regulations but i am not so sure about Australia. If we allow lifted ute's with metal work all around and a full metal bumper, I wonder what excuse would they have for Cybertruck