Tesla Australia sales slump for seventh consecutive month
Since the start of 2024, the US car giant is down 19.4 per cent to 32,214 deliveries (from 39,985), and over the past seven months – all down on the periods in 2023 – it is down 34.3 per cent.
I just thought it was funny you were posting your opinion everywhere then saying you didn't care what anyone thought.
Don't make me tap the sign, see the comments above. Posting opinions and caring what you think of my opinion are two different things.
By choosing to engage with the people who agree or disagree, and replying to them defending your position
You're correct, I won't engage anymore, as this has turned into a pile on now of 3 people and honestly I don't care what any of them think.
So have a great day, I know I am!
@JimmyF: JimmyF don't give up, do what you think is right. I for one value informed and relevant opinions and you have to take the good with bad. I'm only a recent member but a lurker (leacher?) for over 10 years. I don't have an opinion either way on the subthread but thought you deserve support. Have another upvote.
The early adopters have adopted and heaps more competition from China.
Added to that, the "fanboi" network is at peak saturation. They can no longer buy a car and sell it for more to some other Musk simp for more than RRP, they have to sell them to regular people who arent buying for the name nor the Musk image. Harder to buy a new one when your old one is worth pennies.
That definitely costs fanboi's cents. Cheers
I will happily buy a Tesla for pennies. In fact, I'll be generous and pay a whole dollar.
Where can I pick one up?
The novelty is wearing off
Tesla or Elon Musk?
yes
Any stats on the amount of Tesla fires in Australia in, say… The last decade? or two if that works out better for you.
Didn't answer the question… there were not any here a century ago either, but I just wanted you to have enough range that you could start at any time in history… Start at 1788 if you like… Or pick the last 5 if that works better. Or 7. Or 28. Or 9… I DGAF what your range is, I just want to know a time frame and the exact amount of Tesla fires there has been in Australia in that time frame…
The fires.
So, again, I will ask, "How many Telsa fires has there been in Australia from 1788 until today??"
So why do you want stats from 10 years ago?
I want stats from now…. going back 220+ years… Take your pick. Any Tesla fire, in Australia in the preceding 220+ years… just pick some at random… doesn't matter if it was last week, or last decade, just pick some… You said "fires" being plural, meaning there has been more than one… pick the two most recent Tesla fires in Australia…
So, I'll ask once again…
"How many Tesla vehicle fires has there been in Australia from *insert whatever year you want to start from* upto today??"
@jv: You made the claim of "fires", so either you have some source for your information or you are full of shit… Take your pick…
I'll ask again…
"How many Tesla vehicle fires in Australia can you confirm from your reliable data source for your comment that there have been fires"
You only have to give me two examples of fires (as you said "fires, meaning "more than one") OR you can pull the data for the number of fires for Tesla vehicles in Australia as a whole… (if you can break it down by year, that would be even better…)
I'll start…
1780~89: 0
1790~99: 0
1800~09: 0
1810~19: 0
@pegaxs: To be fair on March 13, 1895 the laboratory of Nikola Tesla burnt to the ground. He lost all of his laboratory equipment. Nil fatalities.
just pick some at random… doesn't matter if it was last week, or last decade, just pick some…
3 fires within 6 weeks
https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/tesla-fires-the-numbers-dont-l…
an average of one fire per 6.333 vehicles has occurred
LOL… an average of 1 fire for every 6.3 Tesla Model S vehicles on the road?
Where the (fropanity) do you pluck this bullshit data from? 1 in every 6.3 vehicles? FFS. Tesla would not be allowed to build vehicles if 1 in every 6.3 vehicles caught fire…
Based on 250 million car on US roads leading to 209 deaths annually
WTF? Is this made up?? The road toll in the USA is SIGNIFICANTLY higher than 209… Hell, Australia has about 1/10th the population and WE are not even that low…
Anyway… you are still dodging the question;
"How many Tesla vehicle fires has there been in AUSTRALIA in the past 220+ years??"
LOL… an average of 1 fire for every 6.3 Tesla Model S vehicles on the road?
That's sounds like a lot, huh?
@jv: It is when the data is "made up fantasy bullshit".
Again, for the hard of reading…. "How many fires has there been in AUSTRALIA from Tesla vehicles?"
And you need to cite an "actual" source, not some anti-EV blog cliaming that 1 in every 6.3 Tesla model S vehicles in some made up fantasy world have caught fire… I'll help… There have been roughly 2,600 Model S vehicles sold in Australia. 2,600 / 6.3 = around 412 Model S fires in Australia based on your source above…
Find me a link to two ("fires) of these Model S fires in Australia…
@jv: Because they don’t cite any source for their bullshit…
Anyway, I am using your source… based on your source, there has been approximately 412 Tesla Model S fires in Australia… just link to any reference to any of these fires in Australia… News articles, Reddit posts, any articles at all… you have 412 Model S fires in Australia to pick from, just link to two.
That does not mean it's not true…
Yes it does. If it can’t be verified or repeated, it’s a lie.
Again, please cite at least 2 articles of any 2 of the 412 Tesla Model S cars that have caught fire in Australia?
If it can’t be verified or repeated, it’s a lie.
Apart from your statement being false, how do you know that it can't be verified?
how do you know that it can't be verified?
I know because neither you, nor the article you referenced, cite any legitimate sources for these claims… ergo, it is false until proven otherwise.
The burden of proof is on the one making the claim (ie: you) to substantiate your data, not for me to disprove it.
Again… please supply the data for Tesla vehicle fires in Australia in the past 220+ years from actual verifiable sources. I would be happy with 2 since you said “fires” and “s” means “more than one”
@jv: Off topic. Deflection. Answer the question.
How many Tesla vehicle fires has there been in Australia in the last 220+ years?
@jv: Ok, 6 Tesla EV fires in Australia… good, we are getting somewhere… now, where can I find this data you are claiming as fact. Can you please cite the source for your claim that there has been 6 Tesla vehicle fires in Australia. Where did you get this data from?
@jv: Ok, good site to get relevant information from…
And on what page would I find a reference to these 6 Tesla related vehicle fires in Australia? I’m having trouble finding their reference to these 6 particular fires… do you have a link?
@jv: I can’t seem to find the data on the 6 Tesla vehicle fires in Australia that you made reference to. Care to point to what page you found it on?
@pegaxs: you have been on here long enough to know you are just being trolled by jv, he has no intention of adding anything useful to the discussion.
@smartazz104: Whenever I see his posts, I'm just gonna ask him that, no matter the thread from now on until he answers it. Hopefully it catches on and that's all anyone responds to him with.
@gromit: This was the most frustrating conversation to read. I'm really surprised that jv hasnt been permabanned for being such a nuisance.
The stats aren’t actually relevant. What is relevant is the perceived danger by consumers not the actual danger.
Liquid fueled vehicles are more prone to catching fire and/or spontaneously combust on more regular frequency than EV’s, this is an actual stat, but I don’t see consumers avoiding buying liquid fueled vehicles based on this “danger”.
@pegaxs: Spontaneously inside your garage? Burning so intensely it can’t be put out? Nah, never heard of that.
Anyway, again you’re intentionally missing the point. Consumer behaviour is impacted by their perception, not your opinion of the actual state of the world.
Spontaneously inside your garage?
Correct. Both Kia and Hyundai have recently had a recall that involved their ICE cars spontaneously combusting and they urged their owners to NOT store their vehicles in any enclosed car parking areas.
And I’ll treat your information the same as I do jv’s bullshit… please cite your source for Tesla fires “in garages” in Australia in the last 220+ years… I’m happy to find you plenty of examples of ICE vehicles catching fire and burning houses down in Australia in the past 220+ years…
And I’ll treat your information the same as I do jv’s bullshit… please cite your source for Tesla fires “in garages” in Australia in the last 220+ years
The perception of risk is what drives conumer behaviour not the latest data from ev-world.net or whatever industry shill site you read.
The perception of risk is what drives conumer behaviour not the latest data from ev-world.net or whatever industry shill site you read.
What if that perception of risk has been sourced from whatever fossil fuel shill site youve read?
You kinda nailed it with "latest DATA from". Data, not opinion. Data says ICE vehicles are far more likely to burn than EVs.
@CommuterPolluter: Data is data. Carrying on about EV fires is propaganda unless you are also equally carrying on about far more frequent ICE fires.
@smartazz104: Not everybody is as invested in EVs as you, I don’t believe that makes them stupid.
In any case, I don’t even know if perceptions around fire impact consumer spending on EVs. I suspect it’s marginal but I don’t know. I’m just pointing out that citing data on EV fires is not really relevant to JVs point.
@pegaxs: Fire likelihood
For four of the EV fires reported, one was linked to arson and the other three vehicles were parked in structures that burned down; quoted from here.
@sumyungguy: Added to that, the one at the airport in Sydney was a physical damage to the battery and the recent fire in Melbourne was caused by an EV charger that was not compliant for use in Australia and was plugged in using a travel adaptor.
Slump
Those damn Democrats…
Well Elon has his MAGA cult to sell to now oh wait…
The irony.
You think silicon valley biatches wont?
InB4 #Chinesearedumpingcars.
But seriously, they've lost their monopoly and are now losing market share.
Not really anything amazing.
Not really anything amazing.
Exactly, you said it. The Australian EV market now has new, prominent competitors offering cheaper EVs - who could have not envisioned Tesla losing market share?
Additionally, though all far less significant than the above:
100% this… crackpot at the helm. Chinese dumping high quality vehicles here for a fraction of the cost. No more "only decent player in the EV space" market monopolisation. Two bland models. Removing features or operating functions…
I give it to about this time next year and either Tesla will be an "also was" brand that sells next to nothing (bottom~ish of the EV sales table), or it's going to be an all out fire sale price war.
Companies that used to buy up Tesla emission credits to offset their own are now making big inroads with EV's and dont need as many offset credits, meaning that Tesla's funding has to come from somewhere else…
MG4 is 30k now which is what Tesla was supposed to be doing with the model 3.
And yet tesla has sold more units than all of the rest combined for the year until October 24. What a fail! What exactly is MG selling? A 30k EV hatchback, on which I am sure they are making a lot of money.
There are now more options.
Albos automobiles
@Gdsamp am I doing this right?
Doesn't matter. All the billion dollar Fed contracts that will be coming his way very soon will more than make up for any Tesla losses for Musk.
That is true.
This time he'll actually have a proper seat at the table.
Oh dear god.
Not many MAGA EV enthusiasts.
Until Trump starts pushing them.
Tesla’s looking old now. Most brands refresh their models every 3 years
have a look at all the price reductions for less expensive Ev's
people would rather buy a less expensive MG, BYD , GWM, etc (recent deals)
Seeing these Chinese cars everywhere on the road. You'd have to have a lot of money to spare to buy a Tesla today, and if you had that kind of money you probably would want an actual luxury car. Without self driving, Teslas look pretty poor value today. I guess Musk could just make a cheaper car to compete, if he already owns the technology to do it. Other car makers operate with tiny margins, that's how they all do it.
Are you aware how much the Model 3 and Y have come down in price the last 2 years? Both starting under 60k drive away now. They are not luxury cars.
Both starting under 60k drive away now. They are not luxury cars.
2024: $60K is not considered a luxury car price anymore.
This was obvious to anyone with half a brain from a few years back when Elon had a meltdown. Tesla hasn't done anything innovative for many years, or at best just taken out features.
You can get better cars for cheaper now, without a crack head at the top… So it's just a company starting to fail. Will see if he can pull it together but if not it'll just slowly go away with time.
Just curious… can you point us to the EVs that are cheaper and better than the Tesla offerings?
BYD is IMO better. Having driven both I absolutely detest the screen having everything/no physical buttons and software experience in a Tesla. That is 100% a step back and many agree.
You get the same in a BYD but just cheaper. No brainer for me. Unless of course you're one of those morons who want to go 0-100 a tiny bit faster and think that's worth paying thousands more so you can race to the next red traffic light.
Ok so, besides the fact that it's accepted knowledge the Teslas have the most polished in-car software and mobile app, better space, better efficiency, better performance, proper local support and an actual charging network, the BYDs are better in your opinion without actually giving me any reasons.
Both makers have a huge screen and require menu diving for anything more than the usual 3-4 things you actually need to touch while driving.
I dislike Elon just like many people but I think you have no idea what you are talking about.
Tesla is at least 5 years ahead in software for their EV's, and the software for an EV is 75% of the car.
Name a car that has all the software features excluding Auto pilot?
Now name any that can do anything close to auto pilot?
None.
the software for an EV is 75% of the car.
Got to disagree there. The software is just as important in ANY car. The software needs of an EV arent much different to a petrol car. Aside from battery management vs engine management. The main software needs are for driver assistance that is increasingly being added to ALL cars. Tesla is ahead in deleting driver controls and making it only avaiable via software. Many drivers are wanting physical buttons for controms so they dont get distracted from the road fumbling through menus to change where the air vent points.
Because an ICE cars simply don't have any of the features that EV's have. Yes technically you can shoehorn it into any ICE car but that doesn't happen.
For example, show me the ICE car that has:
Camping Mode (sleep in the car with aircon)
Dog Mode (Keep dog cool in the car)
Sentry Mode
Smart Summon
Youtube/Netflix + A lot more
Self Driving
Turn on air conditioning from your phone
Also, I've used ICE cars with driver assistance features, most of them are terrible in ICE cars.
@samfisher5986: Spoken like a true fanboi.
The things you mention there are not special. Youtube and netflix are just an app using data its not car software. Sentry mode? Thats just a fancy dashcam has nothing to do with driving.
Even the AC thing isnt 'special software for an EV'. Remote start is a thing to kick your AC on from elsewhere in an ICE car. Its just more versatile in an EV becasue it runs off battery not an engine. 'Dog mode' simply turns on the climate control and puts a message on the screen. Its not special software.
Yes, Tesla driver aids are supposedly good, but higher spec legacy car makers like Mercedes have had that stuff for years too and its rolling out everywhere else.
The software isn't 75% of the car, at best it adds a bunch of extra features that aren't necessary to drive from A-B.
@Euphemistic: A fanboi? You are talking to someone who dislikes Elon and specifically didn't buy a Tesla because of it.
Actually Tesla cars have Netflix and Youtube installed in the car amongst other things. Android Auto cars can't do it.
Actually no, Sentry mode is quite fancy and you can't replicate anything close to it with a dashcam.
You are dancing around the fact that Ice cars can't run aircon because you will have a dead battery. You simply can't have dog mode, camping mode or remote start AC in an ICE car.
Show me a mercedes car that can self drive like Tesla can.
If you are going to respond, you need to actually do it rather then dodge it.
@samfisher5986: For a not fanboi you are certainly simping for the tesla bois.
End of the day they are little tricks. Thise things dont add to the driving experince. Kinda like electric windows and heated seats. Bit cool when they were rare, now its just prdinary.
Who gives a crap if youve got netflix in your car. My phone has netflix. I dont go get in the car to watch movies.
"Sentry mode is quite fancy" So? Might be nice to have, but i havent really needed it yet and its probably monitoring me as well as everything else, so i dont think ill sign up. Yes, its just a fancy dashcam.
If an ice car is running AC it wont have a dead battery becasue the AC wont run without the engine - that charges the battery. One of our cars has remote start precisely to run the AC. Oh, but it doesn't have camping mode! So what. Ido t want to sleep in my car and I'd rather not take my dog anywhere it has to stay in the car. That's just dumb.
Show me a tesla that has full self drive. Its been promised for a decade and still not delivered. Even the self drive taxi demonstrated wasnt shown driving on a live street. Its all smoke and mirrors. Yes, it can do party tricks.
So because you don't want it, its not useful for anyone? Thats about as valid as someone saying EV's are not needed at all. Or maybe computers are not needed, we have typewriters!
I don't think you own a Tesla… so you can't say you don't need something you don't use.
Remote start starts the engine, I assume you can't do that 50km away, you need the key and be in proximity? I can do remote AC in my MG4. I would be surprised if you can just remotely start an ICE engine unattended.
Just look at Youtube.. its everywhere and it works very very well. Personally I wouldn't buy one because it doesn't have radar which makes me uncomfortable, I think it could be dangerous in rare circumstances. But the reality is that it works very well without mistakes and it can do almost anything.
You seem to assume I am praising the Tesla, I'm not. Its a car I don't like, by a creator I don't like, which has very impressive software because they have been doing it for a very long time, and the developers are clearly highly skilled.
@samfisher5986: Your original assertion that an EV is 75% the software is just not true. Youre talking about party tricks, 10% at most. You still sit in the seat, look out the windows, push the pedals and turn the wheel. The rest of the stuff is not essential for a car, or is available in ICE cars.
I see you have an MG and not a tesla snd therefore assume you dont have full self drive, or summoning etc. So aside from the 50km away AC start (no idea why youd beed that anyway), it probably doesnt do any more than our ICE.
@Euphemistic: The 50km is an example, its more that you can turn it on 10mins before you are in the car and the car is perfect temperature.
My point was that an EV is 75% of the car in terms of having features that work well is the major differences between cars.
No my MG4 does not fully self drive, but it can automatically drive in a lane, automatically handling speed and steering (if its relatively straight). Even this is a huge part of the importance, where another vehicle like the Hyundai rental I drove with drive assist features that barely worked.
My point was that an EV is 75% of the car in terms of having features that work well is the major differences between cars
Yeah..nah. the difference is the battery and the motor - the drivetrain. The rest is much the same as other cars.
Right. Can a petrol car suddenly make more power via an off the air software update? Or add completely new features to the car after the sale? I have owned Tesla for almost 1.5 years now and have gotten more than 30+ software updates - an average of 2-3 per month. Please tell me which other manufacturer does that? Not even talking comnbustion cars here, which other EV manufacturer has pushed out so many updates?
Tesla is a fully software defined cars and they have been doing it since the first Model S. The others cannot even update their infotainment system via off the air updates even though they say they can. VW spent $5bn in CARIAD, their car software division and they still cannot do it. They are now investing into chinese companies and Rivian so that they can use their technology.
If you have no idea of what you are speaking about, stay quiet and dont let the whole world know how obtuse you are.
@dealsucker: Dont forget all the data mining that tesla does with their whizz bang software.
Do we need never ending updates over the air? We've survived long enough without it and how long is it going to be before they stop supporting whatever version of software they have and your car gets bricked?
If it needs 30 updates in 1.5 years, the software can't be all that awesome, even if they a few adding features I'll bet they don't add much to the drive experience.
Software isn't all it's cracked up to be.
Can a petrol car suddenly make more power via an off the air software update?
An ICE car won't be bricked by an over the air update, but Tesla will. I'm guessing that's also a feature.
Tesla isn't close to autopilot.
And I've done a lot of research. You get the same with BYD but cheaper. Tesla fanboys might be brainwashed but they're not 5 years ahead in software lol. I don't even know of any software features they have I care about over BYD. Smart summon? Lol….
Newer models of Tesla's don't even have basic parking sensors. That's just rubbish.
You compare the BYD auto pilot with Tesla?
I think you have no idea what a Tesla has, what an embarrassing comment you've just made.
@JimmyF: Mate, I just want you to see it from the outside here.
By choosing to engage with the people who agree or disagree, and replying to them defending your position, and airing your greivances about the people who are into different cars than you, you're proving you do in fact care what they think. Not liking it is still caring. If you actually didn't care, you'd disable notifications and just ghost the thread. The people who don't care are scrolling past this whole mess.
Except for me. I'm not that interested in the EV stuff. I drive an old Subaru, and will until it dies. I just thought it was funny you were posting your opinion everywhere then saying you didn't care what anyone thought.