MG4 Excite 51 - I'm Calling This EV an OzBargain Win

TooSerious2 on 03/11/2024 - 19:45
Last edited 03/11/2024 - 21:09 by 1 other user

This is a brag, because I am very happy with my new car so far.

The task was to comfortably do a 200km return commute, mostly on a rural national highway at a top speed of 110ish.

My car needed replacing and the MG’s $31k price was right, but I was still concerned about range and it being an MG.

I’m getting home with 30% battery and 75km range left. I’m good with that. Full battery shows 284km range.

The car is a thrill to drive, comfortable for 75 minutes at a stretch, and fast - from the get go and when overtaking. I could be in danger of becoming an @rsehole on the road.

It feels nicely made where it matters. There’s a peek of white stuffing in the foot well, the panel between back seat and floor is plastic. But I’m impressed for the price. I've always bought base models.

I collected it on October 22 and have done 2038km in 12 days at 17.5kWh/100km. Average speed is 59kph. We do a mix of 200km and 75km return commutes.

On collection, it had underbody sag (being fixed tomorrow) and vinyl crinkle on door pillar (pointed out by dealer and to be replaced).

I’m still getting used to some quirks with charging and settings - the best order to do things; when selections are retained - but none are deal breakers.

I have the Caro Series Wallbox from this deal. I paid $7 for ChargeHQ this month, but I’m about to learn Home Assistant :)

The app shows I used 405kWh (40 from solar, but I’m ignoring that). I pay 34.0692c/kWh, so it’s cost me $140. My Mitsubishi 380 used 200L for 2000km. At $1.50 a litre that would be $300.

I needed to replace my car. An EV is working well for a rural commute. Worries about range and MG are rapidly dissipating.

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Comments

  • The Wololo Wombat on 03/11/2024 - 19:51
    +35

    Happy for you mate! Sometimes cheaper is better value!

    • theHMASfriendship on 03/11/2024 - 20:05
      +17

      And I am happy you are happy

    • TooSerious2 on 03/11/2024 - 20:08
      +1

      Cheers. And are you any chance for the Toowoomba Ozbargain lunch?

      • The Wololo Wombat on 03/11/2024 - 20:43

        Oh - it's you! I asssume Dalby is the place you are travelling to? Lol.

        • TooSerious2 on 03/11/2024 - 23:14
          +7

          No, I'm to the south. Come to lunch. I'll bore you about my car.

      • klaw81 on 04/11/2024 - 09:47
        +1

        There's a Toowoomba Ozbargain lunch?

        • TooSerious2 on 04/11/2024 - 09:54

          I hope so. It's lunch for one at the moment. See here. I still haven't booked a table, so everything is very flexible. Sign up.

  • kevino7 on 03/11/2024 - 20:09
    +5

    Great share mate. Bought the 51 in January for 38k on novated and loving it. Have a 100km drive daily and reckon I’ve saved $4000 in fuel already. Check out EV electricity plans in your area. I charge overnight for 8c/kWh

    • TooSerious2 on 03/11/2024 - 20:22
      +1

      Country Qld has one retailer: Ergon. Plans are unattractive, but access is well subsidised.

      • hopper on 08/11/2024 - 06:12

        Ovo is available in brisbane, but low FIT

  • Aureus on 03/11/2024 - 21:01
    +8

    Nice savings. Car should pay itself off in just over 6 years on petrol savings alone, even with your expensive electricity prices.

    • capslock janitor on 06/11/2024 - 15:25
      -3

      holup is tihs sarcastic ?

      • Aureus on 06/11/2024 - 16:09
        +1

        No. Why would it be?

        • capslock janitor on 06/11/2024 - 17:00
          -2

          a 42 K car paying itself off over 6 years on paetrol savings?

          • Aureus on 06/11/2024 - 17:36
            +4

            @capslock janitor: $31 K car. Savings based on details OP provided, unless I massively messed up the math.

            OP got a cheap EV and uses almost all of the battery most days. ROI for people in the same situation as OP is very good.

  • kipps on 03/11/2024 - 21:19

    With ChargeHQ & Home Assistant, once you get used to range a bit more you should be easily able to use more than 10% from your PV for charging. Good work

    • nedski on 04/11/2024 - 14:44

      I have Home Assistant and bought Wallbox so I could do OCPP but have found it harder than I anticipated to get Home Assistant to put the extra solar into the car.

      I need to sit down and spend the day with it because I do have Home Assistant controlling the charger, and home assistant also instant data from our Huawei solar inverter, but putting the two together has been a bit challenging.

      • noz on 04/11/2024 - 21:48

        Take a look at EVCC. There's an add on for Home Assistant for it. It will do the solar aware charging for you.

        • TooSerious2 on 04/11/2024 - 22:00

          Thanks for the tip

        • nedski on 04/11/2024 - 23:24

          I had a look at EVCC and while some of its in English, some of the instructions are in German. Also you have to pay a $2 per month fee unless you got it working without that?

          • changyang1230 on 05/11/2024 - 00:56

            @nedski: 2 dollars per month sponsorship is needed for Tesla cars (due to Tesla charging money for the use of its API). However if you have OCPP compatible wall connector it should be able to control it and there’s no fee involved.

          • noz on 05/11/2024 - 22:06

            @nedski: As someone has already mentioned, no payment should be needed for OCPP-based control.
            If you want to be able to access/control EVCC parameters from within Home Assistant (e.g. for automations), then additionally get this add-on : https://github.com/marq24/ha-evcc . However you do not need this additional add-on for solar aware charging .. just EVCC add-on will do.

            • awesomedude on 08/11/2024 - 16:42

              @noz: @noz @changyang1230 I have setup OCPP via Home Assistant directly but found your comment interesting.
              Before going down the HA path, I looked and and even tried setting up my charger via EVCC but most if not all chargers require sponsorship token: https://docs.evcc.io/en/docs/devices/chargers
              Did you guys find a generic way to set up OCPP chargers? or are you using specific chargers that don't require sponsorship token?

              • changyang1230 on 08/11/2024 - 17:20

                @awesomedude: Ok I may have given incorrect information; I actually had the Tesla integration which used to be totally free until Tesla started charging for their API. I assumed that every other implementation is free but I must say I don’t have direct experience and knowledge so might have been incorrect assumption.

                Having said that, at 2 dollars per month it’s still extremely cheap and easily worthwhile if you find it useful. You can always use their trial token to see if it works well for your scenario before committing to pay for it.

                • awesomedude on 08/11/2024 - 20:38

                  @changyang1230: @changyang1230 No worries. Unfortunately EVCC didn't work for me as they don't have my charger listed. So was keen to see if there way a way for generic OCPP.
                  Anyways although Home Assistant took a while, I have now got it working to my satisfaction.

    • smartazz104 on 04/11/2024 - 14:01
      +34

      Not as embarrassing as having Tee Rex Arms.

    • TightAl on 04/11/2024 - 23:54
      +6

      Caring what another human drives lmao.
      Now that's embarrassing.

    • MessyG on 05/11/2024 - 11:46
      +2

      You must be easily embarrassed.

    • Lit Homie on 08/11/2024 - 15:16

      Thinking a car brand is embarrassing means you are to poor to be on this site

      • Downvoter on 08/11/2024 - 16:10
        -2

        MG = POV POS

    • freefall101 on 04/11/2024 - 08:38
      +7

      Definitely no electronics in a petrol car these days…

      I'm 18 months/15,000km in with an Atto 3, I have spent about $120 on fast chargers with the rest coming from solar or off peak at home. Some dingdong scratched it in a carpark and there was a software update to bring k-pop karaoke (along with other stuff, but mostly the k-pop). No change to range so far, still does about 300km highway, bit more than that city (I have about an 80km round trip commute, it can do 4 trips + a bit of excess scooting around). Haven't noticed any change in the battery at all, but it's still early days really. Fortunately a few years of warranty left if anything does go wrong.

      Biggest issue is the sensors are a bit twitchy at times, it sees my silver metal mailbox when I drive out of the driveway and thinks it's another car sometimes. Early on it had issues with merge lanes when another car was in the next lane over, but software updates have fixed that. I wouldn't trust the driver assists as far as I could throw them, but that's why a driver should pay attention and not trust the electrical contraptions 👍

      • pegaxs on 04/11/2024 - 10:48
        +4

        Can confirm, same boat. My Atto 3 is 2 and a bit years old, about 20,000km on it and almost identical experience, right down to some dingdong putting a door dent in it.

        Ive spent even less on fuel. I think I have only used DCFC about 4 times and most of the time I am either on solar at home, freeby at shopping or freeby at work. :D

        • netjock on 04/11/2024 - 12:57

          dingdong putting a door dent

          Smart (not the Geely version) when they first made smart cars they had plastic panels so they won't dent and you can recycle them, they also won't rust. But you know the car industry, follow the money and you know why they still make them out of steel.

        • Jackson on 05/11/2024 - 21:16

          I saved money by getting an e6without any of the smart/dumb diver assists which I don't realy care about anyway, saved at least 20k compared to a base model atto and got a bigger car with a bigger battery, although he range is about the same (do you have the standard or long range?)

          I wasnt worried though, I am coming up on 9 years and 135k km in my Leaf and it hasn't skipped a beat

    • Hardlyworkin on 04/11/2024 - 16:53
      +1

      You could get a job writing for News.com.

      • TooSerious2 on 04/11/2024 - 22:00
        +1

        I feel like my cover's been blown

      • Daabido on 07/11/2024 - 16:07

        CNET is interested in this?

    • lunchbox99 on 04/11/2024 - 09:28
      +10

      Pretty sure they mean their commute is 75km and it's comfortable for the entire time. They're not going to randomly keep driving to test its comfort limits, lol.

      • TooSerious2 on 04/11/2024 - 09:40
        +1

        LOL yeah. 75 minutes each way. But i might test its limits - i do like driving it

        • Brick Tamland on 04/11/2024 - 10:47
          +10

          Try 80 minutes

          • lunchbox99 on 04/11/2024 - 16:50

            @Brick Tamland: 7 minute abs is an excellent workout

            • Brick Tamland on 04/11/2024 - 17:02

              @lunchbox99: Been wanting some rock aba dabbas

            • Matt P on 05/11/2024 - 17:07
              +1

              @lunchbox99: That's good. Unless, of course, somebody comes up with 6-Minute Abs.

              • lunchbox99 on 05/11/2024 - 18:46
                +1

                @Matt P: No! No, no, not 6! I said 7. Nobody's comin' up with 6. Who works out in 6 minutes? You won't even get your heart goin, not even a mouse on a wheel.

                7's the key number here. Think about it. 7-Elevens. 7 doors. 7, man, that's the number.

                7 chipmunks twirlin' on a branch, eatin' lots of sunflowers on my uncle's ranch. You know that old children's tale from the sea.

                It's like you're dreamin' about Gorgonzola cheese when it's clearly Brie time, baby. Step into my office. 'Cause you're f***in' fired!

          • serpserpserp on 05/11/2024 - 22:56

            @Brick Tamland: I reckon 82 minutes

      • Brick Tamland on 04/11/2024 - 10:49

        Yeah probably safer to stay under 75 mins

    • pegaxs on 04/11/2024 - 10:43
      +6

      I recently drove a newish Mustang for 5 hours straight

      Yeah, but did you take it past 4,000rpm??

      • Brick Tamland on 04/11/2024 - 10:49

        Didn't want to push our luck. It was a rental so I assume never gone past 4000RPM despite having 90,000KM on the clock

        • freefall101 on 04/11/2024 - 10:57
          +6

          You assume a rental mustang hasn’t been flogged? That’s a big assumption.

        • FlyingMiffy on 05/11/2024 - 08:55

          Drove a mustang on the coast route between LA and San Fran. Piece of junk and mostly ruined the driving experience. I wont trust it on 1000 rpm let alone 4000.

          • Brick Tamland on 05/11/2024 - 09:36

            @FlyingMiffy: Ha, Similar. Drove it to San Fran. It was a bit junky but it was very comfortable.

    • JIMB0 on 04/11/2024 - 12:44
      +3

      I don't think you're going to get the circle jerk response you're after here. Go back to trolling anything remotely ev related on Facebook.

      • Brick Tamland on 04/11/2024 - 13:39
        -4

        Ok. If 75km is a good range then maybe I am just not with it anymore.

        • JIMB0 on 04/11/2024 - 13:51
          +1

          I think you're confused. He stated he does a 200km round trip (75 minutes each way) with 75km of range left at the end of the day. I'd be happy with that. When our run around car is up for replacement I'll definitely be looking at an ev.

          • Brick Tamland on 04/11/2024 - 14:14
            -8

            @JIMB0: oh 75KM left over. I've mis-read it. I noticed the Original post has been edited to make it clearer

  • verio on 04/11/2024 - 07:36
    +9

    Just don't assume this kind of petrol savings into the future.

    I am an EV driver myself but I still realise that it is a matter of time before there is a separate EV tax (based on driven kms) on the federal level (the only reason it did not work in VIC and SA is because it was introduced on a state level).

    Fuel excise is a thing and EV drivers are not paying it.

    • Cluster on 04/11/2024 - 10:23
      +1

      Yes, many EV drivers just assume the good times will continue and that they will never pay fuel excise. In fact, the thinking I've seen on Whirlpool forums tends to go like this:

      1. I bought an expensive EV
      2. I pay more income tax than everyone else
      3. Therefore, I already pay more in tax than I would in fuel excise, so I shouldn't pay an EV road tax

      The obvious flaw in thinking there is obvious.

      This is usually followed by the second case:

      1. Fuel excise isn't really used to pay for roads, therefore EVs should be exempt

      Yes, governments are famous for foregoing billions of dollars in revenue because they like the feeling.

      EVs will still be ridiculously cheap to drive (assumine 8c/kWh off peak charging) even with a road tax. If you have to rely on commercial chargers at 60c/kWh? Forget it.

      • klaw81 on 04/11/2024 - 10:36
        +1

        I agree that an EV road user charge is inevitable. The only question is how long it will take for the federal government to get serious enough about it to start negotiations with the states. It's going to be a long and complex process, so I don't blame them for kicking the can down the road.

        I expect we will end up with a totally new scheme, whereby:
        1. All tax is removed from petrol and diesel;
        2. A road user charge will apply for each vehicle based on distance driven annually;
        3. A multiplier is applied based on the emissions rating of the vehicle.

        They could get it roughly revenue neutral for petrol and diesel vehicles compared to the previous tax, but also include EVs to increase catchment.

        • freefall101 on 04/11/2024 - 12:46

          I’d rather they just whack on another 1% income tax or increasing rego. It’d decrease compliance and collection costs.

          Trying to levy every vehicle by type and km gets a bit much (imagine if we did that with healthcare). If they want to incentivise EVs then keep fuel taxes as a sin tax and use the money to fund EV rebates for low incomes.

          We already tax the heaviest road users anyway, trucks pay a road use fee. That should be increased though, it has languished for years.

          I don’t see it changing anytime soon though. Albo won’t introduce any new tax before the election and the Libs won’t support any tax that helps EVs.

          • klaw81 on 04/11/2024 - 14:43
            +1

            @freefall101:

            I’d rather they just whack on another 1% income tax

            That would be deeply unpopular, considering there are plenty of people who don't own or drive cars at all

            or increasing rego.

            Registration is a state thing, not federal. The courts have been pretty clear that states can't create road user taxes for EVs. Any road user tax would have to be a federal levy, presumably administered via the states because they have the records of vehicle registration.

            Trying to levy every vehicle by type and km gets a bit much

            I agree that it's complex - I'm just trying to come up with a solution that wouldn't cause a furore about fairness.

            Perhaps there could be a flat rate federal levy added to every car for registration. The fuel tax could be reduced slightly to compensate and carry on as normal.

            I don’t see it changing anytime soon though. Albo won’t introduce any new tax before the election and the Libs won’t support any tax that helps EVs.

            I agree - it's something that nobody wants to tackle. But eventually the allure of additional tax dollars (and the slow loss of income from fuel tax) will force the federal government to act.

            • Euphemistic on 04/11/2024 - 15:10
              +1

              @klaw81:

              Perhaps there could be a flat rate federal levy added to every car for registration. The fuel tax could be reduced slightly to compensate and carry on as normal.

              Not sure that would be popular. The fuel excise is effectively a user pays system. The more you drive the more you pay. Increasing the flat rego rate on a car that is hardly used isnt fair recovery of costs for using roads.

            • freefall101 on 04/11/2024 - 16:39

              @klaw81:

              That would be deeply unpopular, considering there are plenty of people who don't own or drive cars at all

              You’re right, some people would be up in arms, but it’s a rubbish argument. Australia needs a road system, it benefits everyone even if they don’t own a car. But it scales well with salary and road usage.

              Public transport is subsidised out the wazoo, no one would use it if ticket prices were set to recover the cost of building it all. But that’s taxation, spend doesn’t have to benefit everyone (even though roads do)

              Registration is a state thing, not federal. The courts have been pretty clear that states can't create road user taxes for EVs. Any road user tax would have to be a federal levy, presumably administered via the states because they have the records of vehicle registration.

              What I’m suggesting wouldn’t be a levy for EVs, nor would it be a road user fee, it’d be an increase (albeit a dramatic one) to registration. That funding is already used for roads. It just couldn’t be measured by km.

              So owning a car that does nothing would be hugely expensive. Which is why I’d prefer a tax.

              I agree that it's complex - I'm just trying to come up with a solution that wouldn't cause a furore about fairness.

              Tax isn’t fair though. I pay plenty of it, I have no kids so see none of the mass of subsidies there, never collected Centrelink payments, my medical bills are seeing the doc once every 6 months (not bulk billed, but still subsidised). I’ll get my money back once I hit old age, unless I die of a heart attack while otherwise healthy. Then I’d be one of the minority of people who pay more tax than they get back out of it.

              I agree people will focus on “fairness” and have a good whinge no matter what the change, but why it’s applied to roads is beyond me.

          • serpserpserp on 05/11/2024 - 22:59

            @freefall101: Increasing rego is the way

      • netjock on 04/11/2024 - 12:59
        -1

        Fuel excise isn't really used to pay for roads, therefore EVs should be exempt

        Just like medicare and levy surcharge isn't funding hospitals / GP bulk bill in full. It is to keep headline rate of tax low. They should really wrap that into income tax.

        Politicians will tell you all kind of things they want you to hear.

      • pjetson on 04/11/2024 - 15:22

        The obvious flaw in thinking there is obvious.

        That's the thing about obvious flaws - they're obvious :-)

    • Clickbait on 04/11/2024 - 17:21
      -1

      Too True. You may not have noticed but in Victoria, the Govet just reduced the Feed-In-tariff to $0.03 Cents per KWH which significantly changes your Domestic Solar investment returrn.
      NSw is now introducing a "Sun Tax" on domestic Solar of $0.012 Cents per KWH for excess feedin. Thr "Get out" for this appears to be investing in a Battery at around $10,000, so you can store your excess solar during peak and releasing it to the grid during off peak. This transfers Investment cost from the government to the public it will be interesting if this stalls th eentire Domestic Solar Market.

      For EV's, for more than a couple of years the NEW ZEALAND government hasused their RUC (Road USE Charge) which cost about $76 per 1000 Kilometres, payable monthly, and youhave to state your mileage. Everything is monitored and if you are snapped unregistered, good luck
      The australian problem is alittle different because Excise is Federal, registration is State, but ,be assured they are working through it, and every EV registered in Australia is costing hundreds of dollars in excise every year.

      • ChickenAdobo on 05/11/2024 - 02:30
        +4

        What you don’t realise is that EV bring better air quality and noise stress. That thousands of dollars that benefit the population.

          • klaw81 on 05/11/2024 - 11:56
            +4

            @Clickbait: Username checks out.

            Heavy on rhetoric, light on facts, looking for "engagement."

            • Clickbait on 07/11/2024 - 14:56
              -1

              @klaw81: No, just looking for enough intellectual rigour to have a look for yourselves..
              You do undrestand If I filled my post with links your response would still be the same?.

              • klaw81 on 07/11/2024 - 16:41
                +2

                @Clickbait:

                just looking for enough intellectual rigour to have a look for yourselves

                You want to see intellectual rigour in responses, while your post contains blatant falsehoods? That's pretty rich.

                unrecyclable Lithium batteries

                This is outright false and easily disproven. There are quite a number of EV battery recycling facilities around the world, and they recover 95-97% of the materials for re-use. There are several video tours of such facilities on Youtube if you want to see one.

                Mercedes proudly announced the opening of a new recycling facility in Europe only last week. Australia currently only has one facility that I'm aware of, but I know that at least some car manufacturers send their faulty batteries overseas for recycling.

                Ironically, the number of EV batteries requiring recycling is actually quite low as they are lasting way longer than many expected. The majority of EV batteries that get recycled right now are ones that have been found faulty during assembly or under warranty. If you ignore the poor design of the original air-cooled battery for the Nissan Leaf, only about 1% of all EVs made this century have had a battery replacement.

                https://thedriven.io/2024/04/10/battery-recycling-capacity-s…

                grossly excessive vehicle weight of EV's

                "Grossly excessive" could be considered subjective, but in any case it's false. An EV is typically in the order of 10-15% heavier than its ICE counterpart. It varies a bit depending on the type of vehicle.
                https://thedriven.io/2024/05/03/are-evs-really-much-heavier-…

                short lifetime of EV tyres

                Since your "grossly excessive weight" was already false, it's hardly surprising that this one is also false. EV tires don't have notably faster wear than ICE vehicles of the same class.

                Many new EV drivers report that their first set of tires wear a little quicker because they're not used to the level of torque compared to ICE, and tend to drive more enthusiastically. Their second set of tires last much longer, and are very comparable to other vehicles.

                the excessive road wear they already cause because of their truck like weight

                At least this claim that has some kind of scientific basis, although "truck like weight" has already been proven false. Road wear is indeed increased when a vehicle's weight is increased. However, this argument really doesn't have any credibility in Australia (or many other parts of the world).

                There has been a general trend away from smaller lighter vehicles (sedans, wagons and hatchbacks) in the past decade or so. Larger, heavier vehicles, such as mid-size to full-size SUVs and dual-cab utes now dominate the top-selling vehicle lists in Australia. The average EV is about the same weight as these vehicles.

                In addition, most roads are designed to handle the weight of much heavier vehicles. Even suburban streets are designed with garbage trucks, delivery trucks etc and a single pass by one of these vehicles contributes more to road wear than hundreds of passes by passenger vehicles of any kind.

                If you're actually concerned about road wear, look at the proliferation of dual-cab utes and the perverse tax incentives that make them more attractive to buyers, particularly fleets.

                the environment damage of disposal.

                It's not entirely clear, but I'm assuming you're referring to tires here. Since your tire wear claim is false, this one is also false.

                number of road deaths associated with silence of the Ev

                There is no significant increase in road deaths associated with the lack of EV noise output.

                The data analyzed by the Guardian (which originally brought this issue to public attention) discussed the increased likelihood of injuries to pedestrians, but it's associated with slow-moving cars in dense urban areas carparks, adjacent to footpaths etc. where deaths are quite rare.

                The data indicates that road deaths for both passengers and pedestrians associated with EVs more generally is virtually identical to the general rate, since EVs make about the same amount of noise as other vehicles at higher speeds.

                It's also worth noting that the data used on that study is very old, and legislation now mandates the fitment of a system that emits sound when the car is travelling slowly in many jurisdictions (although not in Australia yet).

                There has also been some criticism of the original study on which that Guardian article was based. Here's a good breakdown of the potential flaws: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2024/05/25/are-elec…

                if I filled my post with links your response would still be the same

                If you can find credible, authoritative links as evidence to support even one of your claims, I'd love to see them.

                  • klaw81 on 07/11/2024 - 17:42
                    +1

                    @Clickbait: Oh look, it's another gish-gallop

                    Dropping a half-truth and running away rather than engaging in any kind of "intellectual rigour" which you allegedly desire…..and without addressing the paragraphs above that comprehensively prove you were wrong about literally everything you wrote.

                    I'm not going to bite again. Go waste somebody else's time.

                    • Clickbait on 08/11/2024 - 09:39

                      @klaw81: About a month ago, I looked at installing Domestic Solar, and was having trouble justifying the investment. In the last month the Feed in Tariff dropped to approx $0.03 per KWH. at the same time I received an offer of #0.085 per KWH during 10:00AM to 3::00PM (off peak) .
                      But Electricity Distributors are Monopolies, and mine wasn't offering this deal, and I can't change Distributor.
                      I can change Reseller but they can only offer what the Monopoly Distributor offers them,
                      Then I read about the Sun Tax, also known as Two-way rooftop solar tariffs, and that is designed to induce Domestic Solar to invest in Batteries, at eye popping cost, or lode FIT alltogether if they don't, and transferring infrastrucrure ro consumers.
                      None of it adds up.
                      I own a 2012 Hybrid, approx 200K, Returning 4.5 litres per 100K.long term
                      It is getting close to a new battery so I loooked into EV's. Same story. You are welcome to believe any Government you like. but someone is going to pay for the loss of Excise

                      I have to pay my own bills. I don't have a mum to pay them for me.
                      This is my sole interest, and had hoped some people in similar situations may be interested in doing their own research
                      I am disappointed that you needed to misdirect this thread

    • whyisave on 06/11/2024 - 03:03

      a matter of time before there is a separate EV tax (based on driven kms) on the federal level
      the only reason it did not work in VIC and SA is because it was introduced on a state level).

      In NSW, the current prices are as follows…

      The road user charge rate for the 2024-25 financial year will be:
      • 2.906 cents per kilometre for a battery EV or hydrogen fuel cell EV
      • 2.324 cents per kilometre for a plug-in hybrid EV

      source:
      https://www.nsw.gov.au/driving-boating-and-transport/nsw-gov…

      • klaw81 on 06/11/2024 - 07:35
        +1

        The notes on that page indicate that the courts have struck down this legislation.

  • pegaxs on 04/11/2024 - 08:01

    $0.34/kWh? That’s like going to the most expensive place in town and getting the most expensive fuel for your car… are you on one of those “they’re not taking my dumb meter” cooker plans?

    I put $0.08/kWh on off peak overnight and got 3 hours free during the day. I think in the last 12 months I have paid for charging the car about 3 times. At worst at home, my car o ly cost me about $6 to charge from dead flat.

    • mt19 on 04/11/2024 - 08:46

      If they are regional Qld might not have much of a choice on plans

      • May4th on 04/11/2024 - 09:39
        +1

        regional would be a good place to invest in panels and a battery, would give off grid capabilities too in event of flooding/bush fires

    • Poor Ass on 04/11/2024 - 21:24

      Those 3 hrs aren't free it uses up your solar first

      $4.8 from dead flat

      • changyang1230 on 05/11/2024 - 00:57

        Many batteries have functions that prevent itself from being used up at certain time.

        • Poor Ass on 05/11/2024 - 07:52

          I don't think you understand the electricity plan he's on

          He has to use up all the solar in those 3 hrs

          • changyang1230 on 05/11/2024 - 10:54

            @Poor Ass: Can you kindly elaborate?

            Say for example, I have a home battery 9kWh, plus a solar system at 5kW, and also have that 1100-1400 free electricity plan. Also assume that by 1100 by battery is not yet fully charged.

            When you say i have to use up the solar first, are you referring to the fact that part of my 7kW (or 11) will come from the solar that I would ordinarily have exported to the grid / charged the battery, and hence this would have constituted opportunity cost I’m missing out on?

            • Poor Ass on 05/11/2024 - 11:24

              @changyang1230: most people don't have batteries but good for you if you do. there still at a point where it's not financially viable for most people. plus I'm on 44c kw solar feed in so I can't get batteries until 2028.

              when they use power 11am to 2pm it will use up the solar generation first before the usage is free and that's if they are home

              now if you are on that 11am to 2pm and 12am to 6am 8c plan and you have solar batteries. what you should do is charge the battery from 12am to 6am as well as the EV so it is 8c a kw and then set battery to use 6am to 11am … 11am to 2pm just normal use no battery as it will use solar first and the rest free. 2pm to 12am use battery

              maybe different for you as I'm better to use power at night while you probably better to use power during the day

              • changyang1230 on 05/11/2024 - 12:17

                @Poor Ass: Oh for you obviously it's better to just export your solar to get that sweet, sweet 44c.

                I have a battery simply because the house I bought already had one. I wouldn't have bought one myself if I was starting fresh, due to financial feasibility as you point out.

                Anyway I am just discussing hypothetically, this is of no relevance to me as I am in WA where I don't get to use OVO.

                • Poor Ass on 05/11/2024 - 12:23

                  @changyang1230: hopefully by 2028 the batteries are worth buying

                  ahhh WA

                  do all the shops still all close at 7pm in the city?

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