EV Switch home 7kW charger valued at $999 (inc. GST) first released on 15/08/2024 at an affordable introductory offer. Colour subject to availability. If colour is no longer available, you may receive a different colour.
7kW EV Charger $499 (Valued $999) + $25 Delivery @ EV Switch
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The fact that it's 7kw is pretty much a guarantee that it's single phase, and upon checking…..
Yup, it's a single phase 230V 32A 7kW charger
Hope that helps
Most three phase chargers are actually capable of up to 22kw, this also helps with charging cables as cables rated for 22kw are also three phase
the vehicle has to support 22kw the only ones I know that can do those speeds are model S and X which they dont' make any more for Australia. Most ev;s seem to only go to 12kw on 3 phase from my experience.
I think the Taycans can charge at 22kw - if you upgrade the AC charger. Otherwise it's 11kw.
BMW iX1 can do 22kw
Beware, the battery needs to preheated for fast charging, how its done varies. for eg Mercedes need charger as destination on MBUX.
@Tech007: AC charging is not classified as fast charging.
Fast charging is level 3, or DC charging, and that is where you might want to preheat the battery - dependent on a number of other factors (such as ambient temperature, etc).
Having said that, if you plug into a DC charger without preheating, nothing to beware of, it will just charge slower..
@Tech007: AC charging isn't fast charging. Preconditioning a battery is only for DC charging so 60kw to 350kw charging. The one thing with teslas is they can tell the difference it automatically precondition the battery before Dc charging
My Volvo EX30 supports 22kw.
@starburstyellow: Odd. The Volvo Australia site lists the EX30 as only supporting up to 11kw AC charging. Even though the same model (in Ultra spec) is listed for Europe as supporting 22kw..
@NinjaChicken: Hmm I'm yet to install one (planning a quote as we speak) but have you got a reference to the Volvo website for me? For transparency I do have the dual motor Ultra.
@f1veclaw: Even for the dual range Ultra? I need to have a look again at my paperwork. Going for a quote to put a 22kw in my house soon.
@starburstyellow: Correct - have a dual motor ultra and the best I can do is 11kw. Checked the paperwork and it confirms, we got screwed
Sales person lied to me.
Unbeliveable! They are usually so knowledgeable and honest. /s
@Cheapskate Paul: Not surprised tbh. When we got the car he told me to unlock/lock you "Swipe" the handle like the old iphone left to right gesture :(
The real answer is to unlock you put your fingers through the handle only (without thumb). To lock you put your thumb, without the fingers.
I was interested in this but does not seem to have the ability to charge with excess solar. Happy to be corrected.
The FAQ seems to indicate it can be controlled by an inverter to do so, but provides no details on what systems it is compatible with.
The determination of solar input is typically managed by the solar product manufacturer, not the EV Switch charger itself. The charger relies on the solar system's configuration to understand and utilise the solar energy provided. The solar system must be correctly set up and integrated with the charger to ensure optimal use of solar power during the charging process.
EDIT: On the installation page it says it support OCPP1.6, so it should integrate with any system that supports that.
Fair enough with OCPP support if your current setup supports it. I was referring to optional CT clamps or similar that can monitor household usage and solar production. Much easier and hassle free with real time control.
Wait if you had a solar producing 7kw wouldnt this just use that power meaning no Powe bill?
Yes, if the charger plays well together with the inverter it can exclusively charge with solar power. If you get 7kw midday from your panels, that could all be fed into the car. Once it drops later in the day or you start doing laundry or whatever, it would feed any excess into the vehicle. However, there are plenty of stories online of chargers and inverters not working well together, so to make sure your inverter is working with the charger ('smart charging' your car), it's best to buy charger and inverter from the same company. It gets even more complicated when you have a home battery because you don't want to use your battery to charge the car, and you usually first want to charge the battery, and then your car.
Firstly, most PV installs only produce a max of 5KW.
Secondly, in the absence of any smarts, the charger does not know how much power your PV is producing, or how much of that you're currently using. So if it's a partly cloudy day, or a hot and sunny day where you're also using your aircon, an integrated system could in theory carefully vary its charging to use only "free" power.
Normal socket will do OP? Or I need special electrician to install this?
It'll need to be done by an electrician.
A normal socket is only capable of 10 amps (~2.4kW).
Does that mean a new breaker and cable from the box to the charger?
If your electrician is not dodgy, yes to both.
Assuming no load balancing at this price point?
Any possibilities this can work with Fronius Primo inverter to max own consumption?
I like this deal and perfect for my power (single phase). I like the 7 meter cord.
Does anyone think these will be cheaper in 9-12 months, when I plan to be building my home?
Ask OP
Unlikely to be cheaper than this, this is already one of the cheapest on the market for a dumb single phase charger
Noob question; Can a single phase charger (ie 7kw) be installed into a 3 phase shed without unbalancing the phases?
An electrician should check the current load before installing the MCB onto the lowest used phase.
You'll never have all 3 phases perfectly balanced.
I am new to this,
Could we use this charger to work with solar power or solar assist power rather than just using grid.What are the odds of the price going up from $499 any time soon?
Thinking about buying it in a months time…
edit: nevermind, pulled the trigger, cheers OP!You get a charger for free when you buy the BYD EV car. why spend $499 to buy this?
Only BYD EVs exist? And Majority don't like BYD.
Because you might not buy a Byd EV….
Because who buys a BYD lol
Those who already own BYDs and didn't get a free charger
Because byd is yuck
Bargain, just buy a 40k car to get a 499$ charger. Can just put the byd in the shed and charge my other ev with the charger then.
I wasn't aware that BYDs were the only electric vehicle in existence. Could have sworn there were several others, but I guess I was wrong?
Now how much does installation cost?
I want to know too
Give or take, $800-1000 install cost when it’s a “supply and install” package, so in that ballpark.
It needs to be installed by an electrician, the cost will be different for each situation.
I had one installed in my garage next to the switch box and it cost $300 for a 32a breaker, wiring, mounting and labour. I'm not sure you'd get it much cheaper.
If you want it installed a long way away from the switch box, you pay for cabling and time. It gets expensive if you have poor access under your house or need to dig.
Some people have paid well over $2000 for installs
FYI, the current recommendation for single phase 32amp ev charger is a 40amp circuit breaker with type B RCD protection. This alone costs about $350 for a Clipsal branded one. You might want to get that rectified for insurance purposes. This shows that not all electricians know what they are doing!
Really? I had it done nearly two years ago and I've sold that house anyway.
@choofa: Yes really, if the EV vehicle pulls anywhere near 32amps it will likely trip the 32amp circuit breaker. Hence why you need an extra 20% on the breaker. And if there is leakage and you happen to touch it at the wrong time then game over. You definitely want all the protection you can get hence type B RCD. My guess is your EV was not charging at the full 7kw 32amps… possibly the electrician cheaped out on the breaker and thicker phase 1 cable. who knows.
@freeb1e4me: Yeah it tripped a couple of times. It did charge at 7kw at least that's what the cars said. We charged two EVs on it and it worked great.
Not my problem now
FYI, the current recommendation for single phase 32amp ev charger is a 40amp circuit breaker
There is no 'current recommendation' to install a 40A circuit breaker for 32A EV chargers, that would be a gross breach of AS3000 Clause 2.5.3.1 which states that the rating of the protective device (circuit breaker) cannot exceed the current carrying capacity of the circuit conductor, and the user you replied to stated they had a 32A circuit installed.
The purpose of the CB is not to protect the connected equipment, but to protect the circuit conductors. If a 40A CB is installed on a circuit conductor rated to carry 32A, the conductors can overheat if more than 32A is drawn and cause a fire, all the while the 40A CB is sitting there doing nothing to protect the circuit because its current rating is too high.
This shows that not all electricians know what they are doing!
An electrician installing a 32A CB on a circuit designed for 32A knows exactly what they are doing.
we paid $650 for a tesla charger gen3 outdoor install (SEQ), within 3m of the switchboard
Paid $500 for a Zappi install, but was pretty simple as it was back-to-back with the board.
99% sure this is the charger BYD is currently giving away free with Sealion purchases. Still seems like a good deal though, its pretty sleek looking.
So this can charge any EV regardless of brand? How long would it take to fully charge say a Tesla 3 with this?
Yes, any EV with a type 2 plug, which is all new EVs in the last 5 years
Roughly divide battery size by power output.
A Tesla Model 3 RWD has ~60kw battery
60 / 7 = ~8.7 hours from 0-100%
Most people would charge from at least 25% up to 80-90%
The reality is if you have a driveway and dont drive far every day you don''t need a 7kw wall box. Just use a 2kw portable charger that plugs into a power point. You can get ~50% charge overnight easily enough.Can you link a website with the 2kw portable charger? Also can a single phase house support 2kw portable charger? Like just plug into the wall with no need of electrician? Very helpful information by the way thanks
The 2kW charger connects directly to a standard home power outlet. Depending on your daily driving distance, this might be sufficient, eliminating the need for a 7kW charger. I've been using this setup with my Seal for nearly two months without any problems, averaging around 300km per week. The only drawback is the charger's efficiency: while the outlet provides 2kW, the car shows it charging at only 1.5kW, resulting in a 500W loss. I’m unsure if this is typical for lower-power chargers or specific to the BYD model.
@kykle: Is slower charging less efficient due to overheads and battery management systems running? Would the power loss be the same with 7kw? Or does it scale?
@ksama0079: So you lose half a KW no matter the speed?
So slow charging is less efficient and therefore more expensive?@choofa: not sure about efficiency for DC charging, only one I've used is Jolt, which I think charges at 22kW to the car.
Losses comes from high current, so one would think there's more loss for DC charging.@choofa: I suspect this is correct although I have not measured the 7kW charger. I queried BYD support asking about the inefficiency and if my charger was therefore broken. Their response:
The main cause of the difference is due the the AC/DC converter in the vehicle.
This typically draws around 300-400 watts, regardless to what AC charging source you are using.
A 7KW AC cable will typically only be able to do around 6.6KW per hour for the same reason.
This is normal for AC charging of EV's that run their batteries on DC power.So the 7kW charger will be both faster and more efficient. The only drawback is you need a new circuit installed and a new charger.
@kykle: I suspect GPO charging would be fine for most household.
Me and my neighbour have the same MG4 64. He trickle charges his almost daily during the day from GPO.
I charge mine once a week from 7kW charger overnight.
I average around 200kM a week, I'd say he average similar mileage.
We both have solar.
Charging from a standard outlet is so underrated, probably because Americans on the internet talk about how slow it is on 110V. I drive about 450km a week and charging from a standard outlet is perfectly fine, I don't even charge every night.
I drive about 450km a week and charging from a standard outlet is perfectly fine
Depends on your usage patterns. If you have a predictable consumption you can plan accordingly. If you don't and need two big drives in a row, a lot of people can't wait 30hours+ to get going again.
This is another reason this is not great in the US, the freeway culture means the average person clocks up many many more miles on average than an European or Aussie, so very slow 'refuelling' is not a practical solution for many.@1st-Amendment: You still have access to public chargers for that "two big drives" situation, and you'd most likely need to use one anyway since if you're driving that far, presumably, you're not close to home.
You still have access to public chargers for that "two big drives" situation
Only if the chargers are near where you are going, and they're not being used when you get there… Otherwise you are still in for a long wait…
I drive about 450km a week and charging from a standard outlet is perfectly fine, I don't even charge every night.
Trickle chargers add ~10km per hour. If you're driving 450km a week, that's maybe -90km each evening for a 5 day work week, so you're topping up almost every night with level 1 charging. 7kW lets me recharge from empty twice a week, or in an especially light week, even once. That convenience, along with multiple 0-100 off peak charges without paying for public was well worth it for me.
@SydStrand: Do you stay out until 10PM every single night?
Probably not. I get home from work at 5pm, leave at 7am, that's 14 hours most nights, which is at least 140km. Tesla states 10A charging adds 15km per hour, which would give me 210km per night. This is probably under ideal conditions and not realistic, but 10 is a low estimate and the real number is probably somewhere between the two.
Actually that 450 number was an overestimate, it's more like 400 most weeks.
If I charged every night I could drive 1200km a week.
In reality I need to charge three times a week, and one of those nights I'll have time to spare. It's really not that hard to spend five seconds plugging a cable in, I charge my phone every day.
How long is the Warranty?
Tesla Gen 3 is 4 years costs $800The Tesla option is definitely more appealing
It has app support and also gets updates online when paired with WiFi
Does this have RCM ticket to be compliant in Australia? The type 2 cable they provide for free with the BYD Seal doesn't have the RCM tick and isn't even complaint here 🤣
Wow. I can’t find it either.
https://equipment.erac.gov.au/Public/Downvoting due to non-compliance.
Do any EVSE have the RCM tick?
I can't even find reference to it for the Tesla wall connector 3,
Ocular(I found ocular LTE has RCM), Zappi, or Wallbox.What are the possible consequences of not having an RCM?
I heard back from Customer Care regarding this.
It has the RCM approval mark in accordance with AS/NZS 4417 and EESS requirements.
It is SAA Approval Certified, Certificate No 231622.
The SAA certificate can be looked up at the following website:
https://www.saaapprovals.com.au/resources/certified-product-…Thanks. I'll remove my downvote.
It appears the key term is "Caro Series Wallbox" this is the general product that is then rebadged by lots of companies.
If you search for this you will find lots of other companies selling the same product.https://www.en-plustech.com/blog/en-plus-caro-series-home-wa…
https://chargehq.net/kb/caro-series-wallboxAssuming this is the same product rebadged the price does seem quite good.
Thanks OP. I’m tight but this should save me 900 bucks after installation.
Please note that this EVSE isn't legal in SA, as it doesn't appear on the SA Govt compliant EVSE list.
Considering it supports OCPP, the manufacturer/distributor should be able to get it on the list (there may be other regulatory requirements that would need to be met).
Otherwise, it's a bargain price for an OCPP compatible EVSE. Cheapest I've seen by a mile.In SA, are the grid companies controlling the charge rate in realtime using OCPP? That's what they are doing in QLD but only two charger models are approved from Fronius and Delta. Or you have to have a dumb network connected switch like they have on controlled loads added to the charger circuit as well which they turn off during peak hours everyday. Can't have straight forward 7kW on single phase.
They aren't yet, but I suspect they want to, or at least they want it future proofed. I think all EV chargers should be OCPP compatible. I'm not very happy that the Tesla Wall Connector got on to the list, considering it doesn't have OCPP yet. Must have friends in high places.
Anyone know if this would work with my Sungrow SGK5-D inverter to charge using excess solar?
You can do it with ChargeHQ (since it supports both Sungrow inverters and this re-badged Caro EVSE). ChargeHQ is $7/month though.
Since it has OCPP, do you reckon this could be connected to Home Assistant and write up our own excess solar automation for free?
Yeah that is my plan, hoping to pick one up from a BYD owner who already has a 7Kw charger installed at home, then plumb in using HA to make use of excess solar. Ideally we can then do a full charge each weekend when home during summer, or even a top up each evening while the sun is still pumping.
@MattTayTas: This is the way. I tried to use Tesla Custom Integration via HACS to connect to the Tesla directly using their Fleet API, its a pain to setup but on top of that, it breaks randomly and doesn't work for another 24 hours like they are blocking too many requests or something. And the whole integration fails within a few weeks having to start from the mid setup again. People pay for Tessie or Teslemetry (cheaper) which have more robust HA integrations but I really don't want to pay at all or pay huge sum for solar aware EV chargers and have a total local control.
I don't understand why people would bother with walled chargers
why not portable charger that works the same… plug and play also easier to replace if there are issues
Wall chargers have a higher waterproof rating for people that don't have a garage. I don't use my portable charger outside as I would be concerned of overnight charging and being exposed to rain.
good point
mine are indoors but lots of people install wall chargers indoors too that puzzles me
Also wall chargers tend to have 7m cable length too, so that's handy for different EVs with charging ports in different locations
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does it work with 3 phase? and does it charger at 3 phase speeds 12kw?