Sorry if the question feels too complicated, but hope it makes sense
As a Parent, Do You Teach Your Children Piracy/How to Download Illegal Contents or to Buy/Rent Legally?
Frankensnore on 23/10/2024 - 11:00
Last edited 23/10/2024 - 11:00
Last edited 23/10/2024 - 11:00
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- 292I or my parent’s taught me how to steal
- 203I or my parent’s taught me only the right way
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Hey, you have a smart one there… He knows about digital compression.
Enjoy your malware!
Nice try, but never had one lol. iykyk. Too basics mate. Only noobs get malwares.
I think a four year old classifies as a noob by any possible definition.
Considering my offspring may have considered career paths in creative industries I always modelled respect for intellectual property and paid for content. Well, at least the stuff they knew about…
So you never paid for pron is what you are saying.
Pawn is probably the least ethical to pirate as well although the whole industry has barely a moral between them. If only there were some larger market share to more ethical companies like how OF is more direct to the performer.
Least ethical?
Sometimes, but not 100% of the time. We all have our vices.
steal
Lol.
I don't think kids these days knows "Pirate is stealing", that usually appear at the start of the movie on VHS
You wouldn't download a car
Think the kids nowadays would give it a fair crack 🤣
/stl
Legend says if you become a pirate you can find the One Piece.
Yes, it is no longer a relevant question in a world of subscriptions.
I used to pirate when I was young but as I've started to work and generate money then i just pay for the subscriptions.
Software companies know there is no chance people can buy their software if they have no money to do so.
They would rather normal consumers pirate them at a young age, be used to the software, because they know eventually they will pay for it as they are used to the ecosystem/convenience.
The big software companies/movie companies are just as dodgy. Wait for Microsoft Antitrust No. 2 after converting everyone to Microsoft Teams….
I don't think you can find the correct answer, if any actually exist, to this as each person that responds will have different values.
Your kids' development will heavily be guided by you as a parent, so whatever your values are on this item would at least be the child's first exposure to it. If they continue to hold that view or change it based on other influences/information would be on them.
If you don't, they'll have to learn it from their peers, which could be way worse and land you some random letters from your RSP. It's like the birds and the bees — you can teach them the right way without encouraging the act.
I remember when my dad showed me how to download music with BearShare.
and I remember teaching my old man how to download from Napster lol
I remember my old man teaching me Napster, then changing his tune because he’s always been a ignorant capitalist simp.
Been sailing since Napster, Limewire and Bearshare. Still going strong - cheers 🇳🇱
It comes down to accessibility and value. There's just some content you cant access via subscription in Australia. There's plenty out of copyright. There's stuff youve paid for but want a digital copy. Then there's try before you buy.
Tldr - I teach the reality of market economics.
What is the age of said children? Because that could mean anything. If they are 16, then sure. If they are 9 or 10, maybe not.
Silly question asked in a stupid way.
You should check out Louis Rossmann (youtuber) - he makes some very interesting points about when paying for content and the companies making it more restrictive than if you obtained it for free.
As mentioned by others, it’s not illegal to download content.
Worth reading Dallas Buyers Club v iiNet Ltd on speculative invoicing for damages when downloading content
No I do not teach them about downloading, because of the prevalence of adult material.
They know the drill, if there is something they want to watch, they tell me and within the SLA it will be on media player.
I use piracy as a tool to teach my kids the value in not screwing over their customers one day by charging a subscription fee plus showing ads.
Just recently I found something I liked watching on Prime, but after a while the 1m40 long ads scattered throughout the series pissed me off and I decided to pirate instead. Muche better user experience.
I or my parent’s taught me how to steal
I or my parent’s taught me only the right wayLmao, least bias Ozbargain poll. Wonder what OPs point of view is.
Back in my day we had to have a cassette tape loaded, ready to hit record when the song played on the radio. We learnt this from other kids, not our parents.
And also the tape in the VCR ready to hit record when your favourite film clips came on.
You know I never watched anything I recorded that way
I remember discovering that my sister's VCR did not have copy protection in it, so you could connect the main VCR to her VCR, play a rented new release movie and record it in good condition on a blank tape on the other VCR.
The thrill you get from piracy is built into our DNA, it's a natural urge, and it's unnatural to deny people their innate desire to copy things for free without permission.
We were too poor to rent new release movies. Had to wait for it to premiere on TV and record it. Bonus points for cutting out the ad breaks, negative points for forgetting to hit record after the ad break and missing part of the movie.
I managed to get a pirated version of Jurassic Park on VHS in either very late ‘93 or early ‘94 that way. It was well before the Australian VHS release date.
That copy changed hands so many times that it was pretty much unwatchable. Playing with Tracking on the VCR did next to nothing to fix it. Still 12YO me thought I was king sh.t for having it so early!
Or if you hit the pause button on the wired remote during the ads but forgot to unpause after the ads. Ahhhhhhhh. My childhood traumas are coming flooding back.
Or the greatest of them all - SBS world movies on a Saturday night
I remember when my best friend's mother told me that the final ad before the program starts again is always an ad for another show on the same network, it changed my life…
depends on how old the kids are
As a Parent, Do You Teach Your Children Piracy
They teach me.
Turkish apple ID + Stremio
Appears legit on the surface, that's all that counts.
Piracy unless the convenience of something (e.g. Spotify, Steam) outweighs it.
I'd say the more important thing to teach your kids is Ad Block+. Teach them that corporations/websites have no power over you, and you control what you're exposed to. Teach them about the dangers of being exposed to marketing/advertising.
Also worthwhile teaching your kids that copyright infringement isn't a crime - it's a civil issue, and you're free to do as you like.
Tell me more about the civil issue vs crime
Hi Village Roadshow
Copyright infringement is only a crime when a financial element is involved.
Use google champ.
Have you seen his analogies? He's got bigger issues
There is no need to pirate or to pay for inferior picture and audio quality from online subscriptions streaming services when you own a large BD/4KBD physical media collection, I have more than 5000 titles in my mine. I have been a fan of movies and the arts since I was a boy, and it was a goal of mine to purchase and own a large physical media collection when I became an adult and started earning money, I have been collecting physical media for 25 years. I have enough content to keep me going until I’m in the ground, I don’t need to ever pay for and rely on streaming services or the internet for content.
How much did that cost you, sir?
@Ozbar Gain - I’m not sure, it’s a hobby and I don’t keep a tally of what I have spent on the things that I enjoy and make me happy over my lifetime. There are some people that are physical media enthusiasts/collectors who are reaping the benefits from many people practically giving away their physical media collections in favour of paying for subscription streaming services, and are buying up used Blu-ray and 4K Blu-ray discs for $1-$2 each building a large physical media collection this way.
5000x$25 = $125,000
Bargain.
Better than streaming, bruh
@brendanm - You’re maths is certainly way off, and what’s ironic is that you’re on site called OzBargain, but clearly you don’t know how to shop for bargains if you quoting $25 each 🤣
Many people subscribe to more than one streaming service, Netflix is $26 per month for their top tier 4K plan, that’s $6240 over 20 years just for Netflix if the price remains the same, and add to that all of the other streaming services people in the same household pay for, what a complete waste for something you don’t own but rent, and won’t have access to as soon as you stop subscribing.
@Billy Bob: Ahhh "cevolution" has changed his OZB name. Nice attempt trying to slip under the radar after all your toxicity in dozens and dozens of comments. The Internet never forgets.
Collecting physical media is so feminine. That's fine if you're a woman
@belongsinforums - Well I guess myself and other people that prefer superior P/AQ, and not the inferior quality on paid streaming platforms that the masses accept and eat up like cheap pig food from a trough, are all women then, including Christopher Nolan, Martian Scorsese, and David Lynch.
If you pirate high quality files off of the internet, where do you think they come from? They’re ripped from Blu-rays and 4K Blu-rays, without physical media still existing, all you would have to pirate is the lower quality shit that studios/distributors feed you through online sources.
I sold my DVDs and HD DVDs because we didn’t have the space to store a collection I rarely used. I still have my Blu-ray collection, though half of them remain unopened, and I haven’t bought a new Blu-ray in years. It’s just so much simpler and more convenient to fire up a remux rip on Plex or Kodi. One day, I’ll get around to ripping the remaining Blu-rays that aren’t in my digital library yet, but for now, streaming locally is just too easy.
Anyway, I just wanted to say ignore the haters—I completely understand your position. If you have the means and the space to maintain such a vast collection, then all the power to you! Honestly, I’m dreading the day when physical discs are finally shelved for good, and we’re left with only a digital future outside of our control.
@LordPanda: lol people arent hating on her for buying media. its for her outrageous takes, e.g. https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/869628#comment-15771692
@belongsinforums: It’s not outrageous out at all. People that actually have an interest in audio and home theatre care about higher quality and performance, and generally want more than a little soundbar. Soundbars are marketed to the masses, who often aren’t very experienced and knowledgeable when it comes to audio and home theatre in general, and OzBargain is full members just like this. On home theatre websites/forums, such as AVS, the soundbar section is out of the way and is generally visited by people that are more on the amateur side not the experienced members, and many of whom visit from other online chat amateur communities such as Reddit and FB groups. However, plenty of these people don’t think they’re amateurs, and think they’re knowledgeable and they are good at assessing the audio quality of hardware and content, and that they know what they’re talking about it, when they don’t. Many of them have convicted themselves that they’re not sacrificing anything or much at all when it comes to quality by owning a soundbar over separate audio components setups, which is absolute nonsense, but they can’t admit it, because they don’t want to believe that they’re getting less and missing out.
Soundbars aren’t very expensive, and personally I wouldn’t be proud off owning one, a $1000-$1500 soundbar is nothing money wise in the world of audio. People that purchase soundbars often do for several reasons, some are what I mentioned in that other thread, such as they are not very technically minded when it comes to audio equipment and understanding how to setup it all up well (they might be a good with computers but they’re not so much with audio), or they’re a bit of a minimalist choosing aesthetics over having a higher quality movie audio experience in their home (this personally I don’t understand, a home first and foremost is to be used, it shouldn’t be the other way around where you sacrifice enjoying things such as audio for the purpose of showing off your home to other people… If it’s not because you care what other people think about your home if you had larger speaker in it, then why do you care about interior design more than you do having a superior audio experience? That’s the aspect that feel is feminine), or they have issues in their relationships with wife acceptance factor when it comes to audio gear and home theatre equipment in general in their home. This stems from seeing hundreds of posts and threads where men have complained about WAF and have asking for advice on how to overcome it.
People that purchase soundbars often do for several reasons…
-Billy Bob aka cevolution
@greatlamp: And that matters why exactly? My username, the other members username, your username are just that, meaningless usernames on OzBargain. None of us know each other personally and can’t damage anything that matters in any of our lives. All the other member has is holding on to a grudge and bitterness over a disagreement that occurred and a difference of opinion in a meaningless topic thread on a discussion forum, and their fixation they have developed towards me over it because they clearly have trouble getting over it and letting go. It’s certainly not normal behaviour (or maybe it is here on OzBargain 🤷♂️), I have no doubt that the member has probably done the same thing to other people all over Facebook and other social media sites who he has also disagreed with before, following them and stalking them on those sites.
@Billy Bob: It's OK cevolution, we all know you can't resist reading comments you've hidden. Your MO is well known now.
following them and stalking them on those sites
Would you like me to share a crayon drawing with you to help explain how forums work? For someone who has been banned from multiple online forums as much as you have, I figured you'd already know by now.
@Billy Bob: So you can't resist clicking the Show link?
You're certainly generating a lot of text. The fact that you're assigning male or female qualities to other people's audio choices screams of your own insecurity.
@ihfree: Of course I can resist, I don’t care about that other member and what they have to say, they’re nothing more than a number on a forum to me, and I haven’t clicked to unblocked their posts to read them since I responded last to say that it would be my last response to them.
As for your “assigning male or female qualities” comment, my comment is not a sexist or an unreasonable comment. It’s a fact that men are interested in home theatre audio and home theatre in general much more than women are… Almost every home theatre website/forum the demographic is made up of mostly men, hardly any women visit the sites to discuss home theatre. Also, as previously mentioned, it’s not uncommon for men on those AV sites to complain about wife acceptance factor and to ask advice on getting the wife to go along with their audio wants… And often it results in the man giving in to their wife’s restrictions and the man not getting what he wants. Often men on AV sites admit that they went with a soundbar to please their wife.
Women do and have always cared about the interior design of the home more than men, and the woman in the relationship often controls these decisions more than the man does. However, in recent years there seems to have been a shift where more men are becoming interested in interior design and the aesthetics of their home, and place high importance on this, where they value the look of their home over things such as a greater improved audio experience for the movies they watch, and are happy to settle for some things that are inferior performing products for the sake of a minimalist look and wanting their home look like a display home. My comment isn’t meant to be offensive, it’s a question men who choose a soundbar over a superior separate audio component setup for aesthetic purposes should be able to answer, without getting upset. Men that do get upset over comments like mine suggests that it’s they who have insecurities issues.
@ihfree: Yeah, he has a melt down over everything! He thinks his opinion is the only one that matters and is always right, so he can't resist having the final word. And to your point, yes, he did get his panties in a twist over that ASUS router 🙄
@belongsinforums: This has been a wild set of comments - thanks for leading me to them and brightening up my morning!
there is something wrong with you on a deep psychological level.
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Humans have been stealing forever and will continue to do so, so that dribble you spoke of is more insane to think otherwise
And by the way its not stealing its copying (forgery)
Where do YOU draw the line?
What you never j walked, sped,told a lie?
Everybody in the entire world has done something they shouldn't haveJust because humans have been doing something forever you think its ok to do?
People can get better insight into life looking at my dumps, than you can produce through brain power.
Just because humans have been doing something forever you think its ok to do?
Its called free will
Unless you can control peoples free will it will always remain in our society.
Not one human on earth hasn't done something wrong prove me wrong.
Even the pope the one closest to your god@Loot N Plunder: Doesn't answer the question. You think its ok or not ok? Don't beat around the bush.
@TheBilly: You think its ok or not ok?
It doesn't matter what i think does it?
My $5.00 or Netflix pocketed more than $1.1 billion from Australian customers last year and shifted more than $1 billion – 92 per cent – of that to its US parent company would be of more concern don't you thinkhttps://www.afr.com/companies/media-and-marketing/netflix-sh…
Who is the bigger crook
The pirate or the billion dollar multinational?@Loot N Plunder: Oh no the poor mega corps, only making a billion tax free dollars, how can those scumbags pirate 🙄
It may be $5 to rent, but there are more reasons beyond monetary that people pirate content.
I don't own the content that I've paid for, and if I front the extra $15 or so to "own" the movie, it's beholden to a service which could shut down at any time and controls what devices that movie can be played back on.
DRM disallows me from screening it to my friends over the internet & making copies of the movie I "own" for my own personal use.Piracy gives you the simplest form of control over the content - no DRM, no usage controls, no associated "services". Even if you own a 4K Blu-Ray for example, you're still dealing with AACS just to play back the damn movie, even if you have a disc in your hot little hand. Complete and utter contempt for the consumer.
This makes no sense. You don't need that content. If you don't like the terms and conditions associated with paying for that content then don't buy it or consume it. You just want it on your terms. This does not justify the theft of content or potential revenue from a creator.
Stealing implies that the person no longer has the goods. 7/11 loses the coffee. Woolworths loses the muffin. No one loses a movie of you download it.
The content creator looses the revenue. So something has been stolen. Potential revenue.
7/11 looses the coffee and revenue that coffee would bring them.
Cut it whichever way you like, its stealing in some way shape or form.
looses
They should hold it tighter 😂
Seriously though, they don't actually lose anything, as I would t have been watching it if I had to pay, so they get the same amount of money either way. If I want to see something, I'll watch it at the cinema.
Piracy is not stealing, that's why people can't be prosecuted for downloading movies and shows.
@brendanm: That’s a bit of strange outlook, you say you wouldn’t have been watching it if you had to pay for it, so why are you wasting your time pirating/downloading the content and then spending another 1½-3 hours watching a movie you’re not interested in? If only people could steal other peoples time on this earth who waste it.
@brendanm: You said that you wouldn’t have watched if you had to pay for it, which suggests that you’re not interested in it, you said if you were interested in it you would have gone to the cinemas to pay to watch it. So again I ask, so why are you wasting your time pirating/downloading the content and then spending another 1½-3 hours watching a movie you’re not interested in?
@brendanm: I explained where you said that already, but clearly you’re not getting it, and don’t even understand what you wrote.
But Ok, if you’re interested in it why not pay for it? Perhaps I should employ your services for whatever it is you do for work, and then just not pay you, that would be pretty funny, at least to me. Or maybe I should drop by your place, steal your car, take it for a joyride, and then burn it, you wouldn’t be laughing but I certainly would be 😝
@Billy Bob: I completely understand. These might be something I would watch, and then regret paying for, like most movies/shows these days. I have high hopes, buy them it's shit, or at best, very average. I wouldn't have paid to watch it
Perhaps I should employ your services for whatever it is you do for work, and then just not pay you
Looks like you don't understand. The analogy that would work for you, would be if you made a clone of me, and got that clone to do the work instead of paying me. This doesn't take anything from me.
Or maybe I should drop by your place, steal your car, take it for a joyride, and then burn it, you wouldn’t be laughing but I certainly would be 😝
Again, you have actually taken something from me in this scenario. If you came by my house with a car copying machine, and copied my car, that would be the same as pirating a video. You weren't going to buy my car off me, and my car is unaffected by you copying it.
Even if you did come steal my car and burn it, I'd be the one laughing, as it's insured for more than I paid for it, and you'd be in jail for theft and arson. I'd actually be quite pleased if you did this, so come around whenever suits you.
@brendanm: Unfortunately, you'll need to speak in crayon for slow learners like cevolution (Billy Bob) to understand beginner-level conceptualisation.
Block-quote I completely understand. These might be something I would watch, and then regret paying for, like most movies/shows these days. I have high hopes, buy them it's shit, or at best, very average. I wouldn't have paid to watch it> Block-quote
That’s called life. There might be a new flavour of chocolate, ice cream, or chips, that you want to try, you have to pay for it to try, but when you taste it you don’t like it very much.
You complain about being disappointed because the movie wasn’t very good, well if you stopped pirating and paid for the content they would have more money to invest in producing higher quality content and storytelling.
Block-quoteLooks like you don't understand. The analogy that would work for you, would be if you made a clone of me, and got that clone to do the work instead of paying me. This doesn't take anything from me> Block-quote
Your analogy is a ridiculous one, and it demonstrates that you don’t have a great understanding of how the industry works. Here is an example, if someone rips a Blu-ray and uploads the file on to the internet, they’re turning one paid licence to watch the product into an infinite number, meaning the studio was only paid once for said individual licence, when hundreds, thousands or millions of people watched the movie that they made $20 off.
Furthermore your silly analogy would cost me money, because I would have to feed, cloth and house your ugly clone, and who knows the clone of you might turn out to defective just like number 4 in the movie Multiplicity - “Hi, Steve”.
Block-quoteAgain, you have actually taken something from me in this scenario. If you came by my house with a car copying machine, and copied my car, that would be the same as pirating a video. You weren't going to buy my car off me, and my car is unaffected by you copying it.> Block-quote
Yes I would be taking something from you, just as you are taking something from the studios/distributors, you taking money from them, it doesn’t matter how you try to spin it, you are stealing from them just as I would be if I stole your car.
if you stopped pirating and paid for the content they would have more money to invest in producing higher quality content and storytelling.
If you actually believe this, you're even more delusional than I thought.
well if you stopped pirating and paid for the content they would have more money to invest in producing higher quality content and storytelling.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha oh my lord thats a good one!
because I would have to feed, cloth and house your ugly clone
Oh my, someone's getting a bit upset now by the look of things.
Yes I would be taking something from you
I'd you cloned my car, and I still had the car, you have taken nothing from me. You can clone my car ten times if you want, it wouldn't bother me at all.
Block-quoteHahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha oh my lord thats a good one!> Block-quote
I think you need to reread what I said, which was ‘if you stopped pirating and paid for the content they would have more money to invest in producing higher quality content and storytelling’, this comment is true, if you did stop pirating and paid for the content the studios/distributors would have more money to invest in producing higher quality content and story telling… What you should have said as a response to that is you don’t agree that they would use the money for that purpose.
Investing in making movies is a risk, nobody wants to invest in something that loses money, often the best storytelling comes from low budget more obscure movies, however the masses in 2024 often aren’t interested in watching these types of movies, they just want mindless superhero rubbish, and making these are less of a risk. Money lost from pirating is money that the studios/distributors would be more willing to invest in the higher risk lower budget obscure films if they had it.
Block-quoteOh my, someone's getting a bit upset now by the look of things.> Block-quote
I love it, all it takes is someone to use the word ugly to describe your clone, and you interpret that as them being upset and angry, weird indeed. For you to think that so easily I can only imagine what you’re like at work, do you often misunderstand things and reporting them as bullying to your boss, you sound like the type? I’m certainly not upset whatsoever.
Block-quoteI'd you cloned my car, and I still had the car, you have taken nothing from me. You can clone my car ten times if you want, it wouldn't bother me at all.> Block-quote
This seems to be over your level of comprehension. If you were the manufacturer of the car, you most certainly would be losing money if I cloned your car, you would’ve lost a car sale and also would be out of pocket for the manufacturing costs. In this case the movie studios/distributors are the manufacturer of the car, you’re taking away the money of a car sale from them, and instead have stolen their car that you haven’t paid for and are driving around in it.
My 4 yrs old son is already exposed. Lol, he knows when new movie is available at YTS lol