Sorry if the question feels too complicated, but hope it makes sense
As a Parent, Do You Teach Your Children Piracy/How to Download Illegal Contents or to Buy/Rent Legally?
Frankensnore on 23/10/2024 - 11:00
Last edited 23/10/2024 - 11:00
Last edited 23/10/2024 - 11:00
Poll Options
- 292I or my parent’s taught me how to steal
- 203I or my parent’s taught me only the right way
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Block-quoteNope, it's not. They make a heap of money, and invest it in making "lame remake 324" "superhero boy 86" etc etc. Block-quote
You clearly don’t understand, so there is no point in continuing to try to explain it to you, because you never will.
Block-quoteNopeConsidering you don't know if I'm ugly or not, and the fact that you didn't have to describe it at all, yet you chose to use a negative, yep, it sure seems like you are upset 😂> Block-quote
Someone has clearly never heard of figure of speech. It’s no different to when someone refers to themselves as an ugly mug, it’s not meant to be taken as literal.
Block-quote The classic, "shifting the goalposts". You said it was going to affect me. It doesn't. It doesn't even affect the manufacturer, as it's unlikely you would have purchased this specific car anyway.> Block-quote
There has been no shifting of the goal posts at all, you’re obviously just not smart enough to understand. The comment about me stealing your car or not paying you for services if I were to hire you to do a job was the only reference to something that would affect you financially. We are discussing piracy, you’re not the creators of the content therefore the financial losses aren’t your loses, which means all of the points you’ve tried to make about copying your car are ridiculous. However what you don’t seem to realise is that piracy does affect you though, but I won’t bother going into that any further because I know you won’t get it.
Block-quote At the end of the day, I don't care less about the studios churning out absolute garbage. You can simp for them all you like, buying up that slop like a good lad, I choose not to, and nothing you say will change that. If you want to class it as stealing, I could care less. Now hurry up and come take my car.> Block-quote
The term is ‘I couldn’t care less’. A big part of you choosing not to is likely because you can’t afford it, as you have already said you own a shitbox car…
You clearly don’t understand, so there is no point in continuing to try to explain it to you, because you never will.
You clearly don't understand, if they made decent stuff I'd pay for it, I used to spend heaps going to watch things at the cinema.
Someone has clearly never heard of figure of speech. It’s no different to when someone refers to themselves as an ugly mug, it’s not meant to be taken as literal.
Yes it was, you are upset because I don't share your viewpoint, sad.
was the only reference to something that would affect you financially
Correct, because copying these things (the exact same thing as piracy) would not affect me financially.
The term is ‘I couldn’t care less’. A big part of you choosing not to is likely because you can’t afford it, as you have already said you own a shitbox car…
Yes, that is the correct term.
I can afford to, I choose not to. I'm not rewarding people for churning out garbage.
You seem to struggle with reading comprehension, I never said I have a shitbox car.
Block-quote You clearly don't understand, if they made decent stuff I'd pay for it, I used to spend heaps going to watch things at the cinema. > Block-quote
I understand just fine. Where you seem to be having trouble understanding is separating the reasons for you not paying, from the fact that regardless it’s still a financial loss for studios/distributors if you pirate their content and watch it without paying.
Block-quote Yes it was, you are upset because I don't share your viewpoint, sad. > Block-quote
It’s quite odd that you think I would be upset over a strangers point of view on a chat forum, that suggests that you think you are important and your opinions matter to me and other people. I don’t care what your opinion is about movies and whether you think they are any good, or whether you pay or don’t.
Block-quote Correct, because copying these things (the exact same thing as piracy) would not affect me financially > Block-quote
What’s the relevance of whether piracy personally affects you financially or not? This conversation hasn’t been about you and what does or doesn’t affect you financially, it’s been about the financial loss to the makers of the product, whether it be a movie studio, a car manufacturer, or any other business you steal from.
Block-quote I can afford to, I choose not to. I'm not rewarding people for churning out garbage > Block-quote
Which takes us back to my original question to you, if you have the opinion that they churn out garbage, then why are you wasting your time pirating/downloading the content and then spending another 1½-3 hours watching a movie you’re not interested in that you think will be garbage? You mustn’t appreciate life and the small amount of time that you’re on this earth if you love wasting your time downloading pirated copies of movies and watching said movies for hours that you are convinced will be garbage before watching them.
from the fact that regardless it’s still a financial loss for studios/distributors
Profit for them if I don't watch it - $0
Profit for them if I pirate it - $0
It’s quite odd that you think I would be upset
Not really, you seem upset.
What’s the relevance of whether piracy personally affects you financially or not?
You are the one that came up with the random scenario of stealing my car. You are the one that claimed that affected me financially. I then explained that that is not at all the same thing, and that if we just cloned me car (same as pirating it), then I wouldn't be affected financially, negating your point about me being affected financially. You can't even follow your own spurious arguments.
pirating/downloading the content and then spending another 1½-3 hours watching a movie you’re not interested in that you think will be garbage
You obviously don't have kids.
I spend my money on actual live shows, concerts etc, where I'm happy to pay people who have actual talent.
Also, please learn to quote so it doesn't say "block quote" all the time.
Block-quoteProfit for them if I don't watch it - $0 Profit for them if I pirate it - $0> Block-quote
Exactly. Thanks for finally acknowledging that you’re stealing from them by pirating and not paying to view their content.
Block-quote You are the one that came up with the random scenario of stealing my car. You are the one that claimed that affected me financially. > Block-quote
And this is exactly where your comprehension skills falls off of a cliff. You clearly didn’t understand the point of me saying what I did about me stealing your car.
If I stolen your car and then burnt it out like I said in the example, it would directly affect you financially, the fact that you said you have insurance doesn’t change that fact (especially since you would have to pay the excess).
Block-quote I then explained that that is not at all the same thing, and that if we just cloned me car (same as pirating it), then I wouldn't be affected financially, negating your point about me being affected financially. You can't even follow your own spurious arguments> Block-quote
That’s just it, you think you negated my point when you didn’t at all, and the fact that you don’t understand this is 🤯. You explained it, but I disregarded it (just as you have obviously disregarded my point) because you’re incorrect, they are indeed the same, they’re both still acts of theft, and I also said your car cloning example is an absolute moronic example to use. I don’t understand how can’t grasp this simple concept.
Block-quote I spend my money on actual live shows, concerts etc, where I'm happy to pay people who have actual talent. > Block-quote
I spend my money on live shows and concerts too.
Again for the fifth time I will repeat (maybe this time you will finally actually answer the question), if you think the movies you pirate are made by people with no talent, then why are you wasting your time pirating/downloading the content and then spending another 1½-3 hours watching a movie you’re not interested in that you think will be garbage? You mustn’t appreciate life and the small amount of time that you’re on this earth if you love wasting your time downloading pirated copies of movies and watching said movies for hours that you are convinced will be garbage before watching them.
If only people could steal other peoples time
I'm ashamed to say that you and TheBillyabove just stole mine. What's with you billies?
@fantombloo: It's not theft when you willingly partook in the exchange. If a video service consents to you stealing videos then it's not stealing.
@brendanm: So you're a thief. That's fine, you are what you are. I'm just glad we have the internet between us, would hate to have a person like you around me IRL.
Also they can be prosecuted, there is just not enough resources to prioritize that law enforcement.
@TheBilly: No, they can't be prosecuted solely for downloading. They can be prosecuted for distributing.
Same could be said for claiming tax deductions that aren’t real or used solely for producing imcome. You are stealing from the public so I hope you don’t do this
I agree. I do not claim tax deductions which I am not entitled too.
Information wants to be free.
The only way for all of us to respect intellectual property is when it is enforced by the government equally (reality now is that big players, big lawyers, trump the rest) and the revenue (not profit) from it is taxed progressively.
If you're going to teach them how, teach them how to avoid the malware. eg on the popups when you're trying to get that torrent.
I don't understand the poll options. What do you mean by doing things legally/paying for them being stealing?
I miss limewire.
My parents told me to avoid people like you.
Nice try villiage roadshow, im not telling you my secrets
As a parent, I teach my kids to be content, and they can live without downloading those content. There's an alternative to pay or pirate. You also have a choice to not to consume.
What about this situation:
- watched Season 1 of something and like it.… asking for Season 2, because in streaming,etc.. have season 1,4,5,6
I am trying to use as much as possible all our subscriptions, but this is the only case they failed to high seas.
"Dont worry, daddy will find that show for you"
You Wouldn’t Steal a Car
You Wouldn’t Steal a Handbag….
Coz you will go to hell otherwise.
Hell doesn't exist… It exist to keep the sheep at bay.
Baaa baaaaa… hail Lord Baal
@djones145 -
Would you steal a baby? Would you shoot a policeman, and then steal his hat? Would you go to the toilet in his hat, and then send it to the policeman’s grieving widow, and then steal the hat again from her?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg&pp=ygUfeW91IHdvdWx…
I guess i should. I mean my dad back in the 80s was using 2 VCRs ro copy kids movies so we had a pretty decent collecion.
Feel im being a slacker because i havent done the same for my kids. I guess once password sharing becomes effective i will put on the eye patch and set sail. The older kids will definitely come along for the ride.
Even to just record the show to skip the ads
Norhing worse then forgetting to unpause and you miss 5 minutes of show.
Better topic: As a parent… Do you teach your kids to use social media in moderation. How to deal with online trolls. How to identify and emotionally detach yourself from toxic posts.
I teach everyone I care about how to get things.
I remember back in the day of having a Commodore 64, had an "illegitimate" copy of the ninja turtles game. They were tricky, when you loaded it you would have to enter a certain word from a certain page of the manual, so you had to have a photocopied manual as well 😂
I'm getting pretty sick of the enshitification of the paid services / platforms. Every firestuck update makes it worse, slower, less usable. 1 year into owning it, and it's gone from efficient and useful, to trying to cum ads down my throat at every opportunity. And Netflix has recently made the UI show huge images with less content on the screen, offering stupid mobile games, and showing me the same movies again but with different covers to waste my time.
I'll bet whatever the latest piracy solution is, probably has everything available, proper IMDb star ratings, no attention grabbing ads, etc.
Do streamio and real debrid friend. No nonsense. No ads.
Yer my 2 yr old can download stuff on uTorrent. It's an important skill I think
My 5yo doesnt ask where his Lion King 2 (but really 1) comes from. he does know how to activate ads on his tablet for his games though, to get goodies, and then to deactivate them. Courtesy of glinet router, adguard home, and home assistant integrations.
I left netflix when they increased prices, and their ad supported version kept accusing me of using a VPN. When I dont ! Even when I changed ISPs. And they wouldnt tell me what they check.
So now I Amazon prime only - with their silly new ads and also i borrow content from friends.
Question was too complicated for me so I used ChatGPT to simplify it to something I can understand:
“Do you teach your kids to download illegally or to buy things legally?”
back in my day, kids used to learn how to pirate things before learning how to swim
I shield my kids from the corruptive evilness of an internet full of porn by showing them how to use radarr and sonarr.
While i personally dont have a big issue with piracy and i do it even though I also pay for Foxtel platinum , Netflix, Stan, Disney and prime. I definitely wouldnt teach my kids about it. If they learnt about it gradually as time went on and they spent more time on computers etc, its normal just like how we learnt. But having a parent going out of their way to teach them on piracy seems to be slightly different in how they will look at piracy and then anything else that can be attached to it. Like the concept of trying to steal or take something because its cheaper than having to pay for it.
I think mentally there is something different about a parent telling you how to go do this as opposed to learning it from friends or the internet.
Kids arent old enough but i will teach them when they are old enough how i Australia we get ripped off for almost everything, taxed and unfairly and lied to constently by all sides of the media
Thus if there is anyway get around the system rigged against you, you need not only take advantage of that but share this knowledge to fight at corrupt and broken system
Standard downvotes from Ozbargains LWNJ
More like downvotes from the grammar police.
I just tell my kids I need to download the movie, and they can watch it via PLEX. They don't need to know more than that. (Kids who ask are 9 and 7years of age)
Lol those 'Answers' - mate you are a complete tool. Are you the same guy that writes the 'answers' for cancelling subscriptions? "No, keep my amazing access to the generous overlords offerings" or "No I am a pedo and wish to cancel my subscription because I'm a big dumb dumb head"
When you say "buy" legally, does that include content you pay for and thought to have owned, only to have the companies steal it from you, leaving your only option to "steal" what you bought legally?
You mean the "license" you bought for a "service" with expiration "any time".
Every time before bedtime, my dad used to ask me,
"Son, would you ever download a car?"
At the time, I didn't really understand what he meant. Now, I still don't.
Maybe it's a metaphor about love?
Can any expert chime in?Show them the second hand stores and Slavos and Vinnes as they are good to show where to get things on the cheap.
Piracy is a victimless crime, like punching someone in the dark.
unless you think you got punched in the dark.
Is it victimless though? In the end a film distributor/studio/director would lose royalties as a result of lower sales but hey, they're all rich anyway so it's no big deal.
In reality those people would otherwise not watch that movie, wait until it came on TV, watch other free content or possibly something entirely different.
Not 100% of cases, sure, but lost revenue is exaggerated. If these kids get hooked on Disney when they couldn't afford it, they're more likely to pay for it when they can (and when time costs them more).
There is no suitable poll option. I taught my parents and siblings how to download. My kid is approaching the age where I will teach him how to download safely. My wife doesn't want to learn and makes me do it.
I learned to pirate things when i was about 12. As a teenager i pirated everything i could. I simply did not have the money to buy all these things. Now 32, I have multiple subscriptions as i can comfortably afford them. However, some things that arent available due to geo blocking, licensing or age, I will happily still pirate as there is generally no other option.
I've done well enough that my children as they grow older wont need to pirate, however, I am very technologically savy and will pass on my knowledge as it's just like any other skill you teach, except I guess illegal.
This is like a covid post; it drew the cookers out
After Netflix, prime video etc and VPN
I don’t think it makes sense to download pirated content
Though you may get the content free, but time spent also has a value, that is wasted a lotKids these days don’t really worry about these things
Time wasted clicking a title in Stremio: zero seconds
If only therre werre apps to manage the whole prrocess…
I underrstood that referrence!
Can you spell it out forr me?
I learned piracy existed when family / friends would copy cds for each other, then i used kazaa and found out torrents exist. i'd just teach them the same way i learned.
I'll be telling my kids to come up with a product or service and to place it on international markets, with prices in one country bearing no resemblance to prices in another country or the cost of the product.
I'll tell the kids to gouge punters in different countries for every last cent they can, simply because they can, and charge as much as much as the local market can stand.
That's super ethical, innit?
Teach them how to use VPN🤓
My kids just know "dad will get it" and it appears on jellyfin. I will probably show them how at some stage. Its a healthy balance, we pay for Netflix and download the others. Or we'll swap to prime and download Netflix.
Edited to add I'll 100% be teaching them the ozbargain ways of geo based purchasing.
My life isn't mono, it's greyscale…
there is not black or white in my world.
I’m loving the two options to choose from 🤣
Basically asking if you’re a scumbag or not
Kids will work it out themselves. No need to teach a child to get expensive stuff for free when they have no money. Children are highly self motivated to work out how to exploit systems.
Only if they become skilled with computers that allow them to become elite programmers that requires lots of knowledge on math and logic.
Honeypot for "confessions" lol. Just don't need to spend more time on media etc, so no need to pirate. Also if you look at what's released now, piracy must make an impact on the quality. game art, sound, packaging etc used to be quality as well. Each game was a real production and care was taken to make it. Kind of skipped in most cases as they have limited budgets.
I actually taught my parents how to do it.
Sure I'd really like to. As a Somali immigrant and former pirate I'd like to set an example and pass on my skills to the squids. Fast boats can be found but the biggest problem for me is obtaining the AK47s and grenade launchers needed in Oz. Honestly I'm not sure how their small hands will go with the triggers and magazines but the Congolese kids seemed to manage. Hopefully they will have the joy of experiencing their own piratical adventures one day.
the OP sounds like a snitch from the MPA
That's why I won't mention your illegal 40x25 PETSCII rip of Blade Runner. Your secret's safe with me.
I spent 12 months of my childhood delivering newspapers so I could buy a pc with a cd burner in the day so yeah sure.
Piracy is how you discover content that you can't afford.
"the right way"
what a pretentious sap you are. The Disney empire is itself built on plagiarism, and they continue stealing to this day, but you should help them profit even more by buying their movies.
Every Hollywood movie is an accounting tax dodge, the amount of pedophiles and sexual abusers in hollywood is wildly disproportionate.
"the right way" is obviously to buy their stuff though?
music and art should be free,
obviously it is not and yet the artists are getting pennies, you only support executives, shareholders and corporate big wigs by being a sap and buying.
Hell yeah. I got my entire family using Plex(emby now since Plex went hard on shares) via a share server and teaching my 8 year old daughter how to safely torrent.
You sort of weave in opsec so it's a win/win. I also do purchase things she really likes so meh. Disney don't need that money more than I do.Edit: I also have heavy controls on my kids' tablets and it's done wonders. Also, any advice to any parent to be or with a young one, BAN YOUTUBE. Don't even introduce it. YouTube kids? Still shit. Whilst my daughter watches shows/movies, she doesn't watch anything else, which means she explores non-screen interests.
Your poll sucks!
Lets see:
*Do I support the film industry = yep!
*Do I buy physical media in DVD, Blu-ray and 4K = hell yeh!
*Do I have streaming subscriptions = oh yeh!
*Do I support the current digital license purchase model = fuk NO!
*Do I still purchase digital content (including video games, music, movies, shows, etc) = of course!BUT…
*Do I support piracy = YES!
*Do I rip content off SBS and ABC and free to air TV = Boi I fuken do!
*How did I learn this = through family and friends growing up
*Do I pirate heavily = No! If its available through physical media or streaming channels I use them - I'm more lazy now adays.
*Do I have ethics and morals and do whats right = mostly!
*Do the movie studios have ethics and morals and do whats right = hell NO way!See the problem is, massive amounts of movies/shows are not available through streaming or physical media, due to licensing purposes or simply out of stock (limited run, or not ready for next press of physical media). When you have film studios controlling the distribution of their IP and their tight asses about - well too bad. That's not gonna stop me! I've bought several copies of the same show over the last 20 years, DVD, Blu-Ray, 4K, digital, streaming. It's crazy! Thats my support, but if you wanna be a dick about it I'm gonna get it my way.
My opinion is your should teach them how to be safe on internet in general. So if they do pirate they don't download a virus, but not explicitly how to pirate.
Internet safety also extends beyond not downloading viruses. A bad analogy is teaching them a language, you don't dictate every sentence they're going to speak, you just teach them the language and let them be their own person, you hope that you taught them well.
Part of growing up is letting them make some decisions for themselves, if you hand hold everything they might not be ready when they're adults.
True shitpost
you should be ashamed
I'll teach my kids to download a carI'd download the shit out of a car… Hell I'd do it daily for fun!
I never taught my kids this, they learned it the usual way, off their mates at school
Everyone child under the age of 10 should be taught how to vpn + torrent.
The kids will know how to pirate even if the parents don't teach. You're assuming kids are dumb.
agree this, a ton of the kids at the school i goto use free movie sites with a vpn lmao
You bet I’ll be telling my kids about aXXo and dumb they are for subscribing to multiple streaming outlets.
I have been torrenting for as long as it existed, and whatever existed before that - I did that too, as my experience with the Internet goes to the mid-90s. I have taught my kids to torrent. Not ashamed in the slightest, calling it "stealing" is a load of sanctimonious crap.
The secret ingredient is crime.
IMO everyday citizens get screwed at every turn. We get screwed with taxes, levies, all the issues that come with a massively exploding population size like the disappearance of bulk billing and increased congestion on our roads (except for Albo of course who bought a $4.3m mansion in one of the whitest areas of NSW), streaming services have introduced advertisements on their paid plans (I mean, really?) so after you add all that bs together which is simply designed to make the average person's life harder I don't blame people for pirating to try and save some money. Downloading some ones and zeroes is not really comparable to stealing a car or some mince meat from the supermarket, by downloading some ones and zeroes it not like someone else misses out on those bits and bytes.
We are slowly devolving into a low trust society, this is simply part of a how society devolves. Destruction of moral behaviour, just like how some men think it's ok to get a sex change then compete in women's sport.
Downloading some ones and zeroes is not really comparable to stealing a car or some mince meat from the supermarket, by downloading some ones and zeroes it not like someone else misses out on those bits and bytes.
Would it make it ok steal mince meat if hooked up to the matrix?
Yes.
Is this poll an intelligence test? "Are you a criminal that's daft enough to publicly admit to multiple crimes?"
Grown up in less than favourable financial position, but by no means i'm poor just that the currency isn't great when it comes to anything computer, internet etc. Also during that time, pirated movies, games, mp3s (you name it) it's like 10c and openly sold. Back of my mind, it's pirated and we all knows it but it's what we have during childhood.
Now however, it's more about how to use internet safely. I do tell them there are piracy softwares/games/movies on internet but they are not safe. We can always buy or rent one and it's affordable. So far my kids would openly chose to pay for movies. SO yeah, no I won't teach my kids to steal but make known to them what is not acceptable in the internet age.
Lesson 1
If buying isn't owning then pirating isn't stealing.
I don't have kids.
Those choices of voting dont make any sense
I learned how to watch the contents when they are not available for any reason (costs, geo-locking, etc) all by myself, my kids are way smarter than me so do I need to teach them?
The challenge I'm facing these days is, at what point do I feel like the streaming giants are fleecing us all? I am generally happy to pay to support the entertainment industry: I've never account shared, and am subscribed to most of the majors. In other words, I am keeping my end of the deal. In return, I am being increasingly bombarded with ads in my content, the movies I want to watch suddenly become buy-now (no kidding, sometimes the night after I started them), and people in almost any other country pay less for the same privilege.
In short, I am constantly being asked to pay more for less. Couple that with the utter wokeness of hollywood and - yeah - I'm starting to resent paying increasing amounts for content that was made by an industry that seems to have forgotten that their primary mission is to entertain people, not beat them about the head with their agenda-du-jour.
I think it's a cop-out to justify bad behaviour by the actions of others, so I am really trying to resist a life on the high seas. But when I snap, it will be with the bitter surety that they already got their pound of flesh.
that reminds me I need to find the latest episodes of Slow Horses and Paris Has Fallen.
@[Deactivated]:
Nope, it's not. They make a heap of money, and invest it in making "lame remake 324" "superhero boy 86" etc etc.
Considering you don't know if I'm ugly or not, and the fact that you didn't have to describe it at all, yet you chose to use a negative, yep, it sure seems like you are upset 😂
The classic, "shifting the goalposts". You said it was going to affect me. It doesn't. It doesn't even affect the manufacturer, as it's unlikely you would have purchased this specific car anyway.
At the end of the day, I don't care less about the studios churning out absolute garbage. You can simp for them all you like, buying up that slop like a good lad, I choose not to, and nothing you say will change that. If you want to class it as stealing, I could care less. Now hurry up and come take my car.