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Jesus saves (using Prime) but Moses invests
Proof that Jesus is the prime mover?
The One is a prime number..
Genuine question, does anyone have opinions on the ESV translation? I’m only really familiar with KJV.
ESV is my preferred translation, having read NIV, KJV, NKJV, NASB and NLT. I find it's a formal equivalent translation that's still not too difficult to understand, though I wouldn't necessarily recommend it for first time readers (probably NIV or NLT).
Some of the translations I believe bring out a richness and depth that is absent from the NIV, which my current and previous churches use.
Thanks, appreciate your answer!
how do you know it brought out richness and depth, instead of conjuring up rich-sounding and deep-sounding interpretations out of nowhere?
I'm with you rail! see who gets more red!
I would be very interested to see how accurately the bible is translated from the original Aramaic, Hebrew & Greek all the way to present day English.
I want to see it from Aramaic, Hebrew & Greek, then to Chinese to Russian, and then to English. Might change the whole storyline!
@NigelTufnel: Earlist New Testament manuscript we have is ad130, then theres almost 6,000 greek manuscripts for the NT and around 300 hebrew for the OT. Id say its pretty damn close in terms of translation.
In the case of the new testament, it is believed by scholars to have been reasonably well preserved.
The real question is how much the stories changed over decades of being passed down by mouth before they were written. St Paul and the (anonymous) gospel authors never met Jesus.
@bargaino: Yes, that’s fair. I’m not saying it’s incorrect or correct, just curious. I am not religious but am still interested in the bible as a historical text.
@kiriakoz: There are a lot of scholars, a lot of religious types and a large handful of obsessives who have poured over your question for centuries. and a literal translation isnt always the best anyway for example
@bargaino: According to Paul, his experience on the road to Damascus counted as meeting with Jesus. Both Matthew & John were disciples of Jesus thus have met Jesus personally. Luke & Mark were friends / apprentice of Paul & Peter.
Yes there are decades between the actual gospel event and the first discovered manuscript, however the gap is still considered much shorter than many historical books that people take as facts these days. I guess it's up to those doing textual analysis to work out how accurate they are to the original.
@scotty: In terms of historical reliability of the current day Bible being accurately translated from the original writings 2000+ years ago, it’s second to none. We have over 5800 Greek manuscripts from all over the Roman Empire that date within a couple of hundred years of Jesus’ life. There are minimal, grammatical differences in translation between texts, which is remarkable.
Compare that to all other historical people and events of a similar age, there is no doubt that what we read in the Bible today was just as it was written 2000 odd years ago.
The more important question is whether what was written back then is true or not. Did Jesus actually rise from the dead?
congrats you are so smart and clever
The real importance of these books is not in understanding bronze-age culture in the Levant, but in the influence they have had on the modern world. Also, there are so many cultural references to the bible.
Any educated person in the modern world should have some familiarity with both the bible and Shakespeare. And to a lesser extent early Simpsons or Seinfeld, to understand modern English idioms.
Read Torah and Quran too then
@DrScavenger: Torah is part of the bible. And Quran is certainly relevant if you wish to study Middle Eastern culture.
@bargaino: Torah influenced Bible and Quran. Bible influenced Quran. They all influenced our modern world.
@DrScavenger: If I recall correctly the old testament is just the books of the Torah, rearranged to better support the coming of Jesus. That's why the Jews are still waiting for the messiah.
@us3rnam3tak3n: The Torah is the first five books of the Bible. The OT has 39 books in total.
But yes, the Jews are still waiting for the Messiah (ie Christ / God’s anointed one)
@SirFrankGrimes: Thanks for the clarification.
Edit: are the other books contained within the Tanakh and Talmud?
@us3rnam3tak3n: The Tanakh is the Jewish bible. Equivalent to the Old Testament.
The Talmud is a discussion about the Jewish laws and rituals, which began being written down in the 3rd Century
"Arab" Jews? Seeing as Arabs, as an ethnic group, originating from the Arabian Peninsula, did not reach the Levant and surrounding regions until after the rise of Islam in the 7th century CE during the Islamic conquests, "Arab" Jews is not the correct terminology to use.
https://www.science.org/content/article/jews-and-arabs-share…
More than 70% of Jewish men and half of the Arab men whose DNA was studied inherited their Y chromosomes from the same paternal ancestors who lived in the region within the last few thousand years.
@ austriabargain
As an indoctrinated catholic who started independent thought after escaping the religious schooling system…. and becoming an atheist… I find it incredibly puzzling how "modern" man looks to this stuff for guidance on how to live a modern life. I mean, it doesn't take much scratching on the veneer of history so readily available from youtube to anywhere else to see how much people and civilisation have changed over the last say one hundred and fifty years, let alone thousands.
Apart from mankind and society values having changed so much since stuff was written, religion has been the cause of so much conflict and suffering through history, rather than the supposed beneficial teachings that the missionary concept highlights when dealing with indigenous societies. Personally I reckon catholicism is tyrannical, and I haven't had the urge to immerse myself much in other religions.
Sometimes conflict between different religious groups is more about external factors having nothing to do with religion…. I'd perhaps naively use the long conflict in northern ireland between catholics and protestants… where the differences were basically between the "native" irish, and the "imported" english and scots as a result of england's conquests. Something like the overlord victors and the vanquished undermensch…. but many times differing religious beliefs are at the heart of the conflict.
With so many people in the world, and so many religious people convinced that theirs is the only true god….. there's a clear logical failure. If there is only one god, but all the believers argue who that god is…. the nonsense can be seen with logical clarity.
I believe that some eastern beliefs help people to become less imperfect through meditation and the like….. stilling random thoughts and being more at peace… but I'm certainly not talking about the the head snapping self hypnosis of some of the more "out there" wailing, self flagellation etc. I reckon there's a lot of nutters out there working hard to be crazier!
Curiously, the higher level "facilitators" of organised religion seem to be driven by the desire for power or money…. or both. How can the incredible wealth of the catholic church, for example, be seen as consistent with kind benevolent values and care for fellow man. Sadly there is long history of some of the lower level faciliators of organised religion being driven by various perversions that cause immense harm…. whether you consider the spanish inquisition, or rampant pedophilia that has been recently exposed, but probably has existed far back in history.
Some folks can and obviously will defend the benefit of old texts to modern man…. but I'll just refer to Ezekiel 23:20, which curiously I recently discovered in an ozbargain post. How can any sane person read that and say….yeah, we need that to understand how we should behave in our modern society.
So your puzzled how modern man looks to this stuff for guidance? There's probably more scientific evidence for God than there ever has been. We literally have billions of lines of code in every cell of our body with incredible communication / backup and restore systems. And mathematically there just isn't enough time for that simply to 'evolve' into being. That strongly suggests an intelligence behind the design. And Jesus was real…there's enough historical evidence for that. The only question you need to answer for yourself is if He is who He said He was. Do your own research and don't let the failings of 'structural' religion get you down…why should that stop you from seeking the truth.
@nutella9: So you do a bit of the ole ezeckiel do you? In between stonings and all the begatting?
You seem to have mixed up….there is no scientific evidence of a higher being…. to there being lots of it.
It's all about faith… believing something that there's no proof for.
Scientists form hypothesis based on observations and deductions… the real scientists that is. Do you know some faith scientists?
There's probably more scientific evidence for God than there ever has been.
Keen for at least one, that passes the actual bar of 'scientific evidence '
And mathematically there just isn't enough time for that simply to 'evolve' into being
Based on what time scale?
All well and good to have faith, but if you have to make up 'facts' to justify or prove it, then perhaps you need to work a bit more on the faith part.
It's a very literal translation, as in it tends to translate word for word from Greek or Hebrew to English, where other translations will do the same but put more weight on how best to express the original authors message and intent using contemporary English. Personally I prefer the NIV, but the ESV is very well regarded.
Bible versions can differ significantly, for a bunch of reasons. This youtube video from ReligionForBreakfast gives a great background on some of the differences and reasons why: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApTF7nwae24
Personally I prefer RSV. It’s also good to have the full Bible, this is probably only 66/73 of the books. Ultimately, though, the best Bible translation is the one that you read. For $10 why not just give it a shot?
I'll go for whichever version gets the translation of the word for young woman correct (ie. not 'virgin'.)
ESV was the favourite among modern reformed crew, but I think is slowly changing to the CSB.
https://ftc.co/resource-library/blog-entries/why-ive-mostly-…
https://www.christianitytoday.com/2023/08/christian-standard…
find it odd premium bibles use goat leather
Goat skin is for sacrafying.
If true that’s sinister
There's a story behind that. When the two Corinthians came to the town of Bethany on their donkeys, they where unexpectedly greeted by a local troll called Goldmann. While trying to cross the bridge the Jewish troll intially demanded money as the toll to cross the bridge. The two Corinthians said they had no means of paying and they desperately needed to cross to eat from the famous fig tree. The troll then negotiated them down to just one Billy Goat Gruff. They agreed to the terms and found him a huge goat. Then, on Tuesday the troll was caught unawares, and was mowed down by the massive goat. As Goldmann plunging 50 cubits into the sea of Galilee he shook his fist as hard as he could in an act of disapproval. The two Corinthians then found Goldmann's Sacks, where inside each sack was countless money. They sought guidance from their lord and he inspired them to use the money in the Sacks to print many bibles and to bind them in the skin of a goat in memory of Billy Goat Gruff's heroics actions in Bethany.
Edit: for those negging because they know that the Sea of Galilee is no where near the town of Bethany, yes this this true. But it just shows the strength of the Goat. Let's explore this further. "He fell 50 cubits", this is referring to the vertical distance he fell, not the horizontal translation towards the sea.
I'm impressed! I thought it was just the freemasons that had a thing about goats.
i thought you can always go to a church and ask for a bible for free…
That's even cheaper.
The real deal is always on the comments!
Every motel I've stayed in seems to give them away with the towels and shampoo.
Giddeons' biblical publications
Try the church of scientology, wild times.
Any church worth its weight in Bibles, will give you one for free. But I’d say buying your own for under $10 is still worthwhile
You can also get free toilet paper from public bathrooms.
@HolyCr4p
U call son
I thought you might be interested!
Nah…… if it is free, maybe
Just google free bibles, multiple organisations giving them out
Elder Scrolls V bible
I'd sooner read that.
And I'm one of the six people who've never played Skyrim.
Five. I finally gave in and started playing it last weekend. Although I only got a few hours in and remembered I'm a 40 year old with responsibilities and shit.
Anyway, I'm a big fan of the ESV bible, thanks to the controversy over Genesis 3:16. Not because I agree with one or the other version (or any version), but because it's controversy over that women should be subjugated and enjoy it, or don't enjoy it but need to suck it up anyway.
Dunno how any woman reads the bible and goes "yup, I'm second class, this is definitely for me".
It's written by men for men about man issues - mostly property (land, cattle, wives, slaves, etc.) and male dignity. NT takes a bit of a turn thanks to the Greeks rubbing off on them.
Is this tax deductible?
Buy now, repent later
Is it true about Moses, parting of the seas and the Beyblade?
Then this is a deal ?
did those camels each carry a wise man?
Not sure this item is complete.
Does it contain the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Pledge of Allegiance?
Cheap rolling papers
Not cheap
Who pay for bible?
Thai Honey is the only one I read.
God these comments are pure sin
Bloody oath! There should be claps of thunder and forks of lightning, followed by no more begatting.
Ever.
When using an abbreviation, it's good practice to spell it out fully first, before using the abbreviation throughout your text.
Most people (including myself) will have no idea what ESV stands for.
Technically it's an acronym, not an abbreviation.
ESV means Experimental Safety Vehicle.
Technically it's an initialism, not an acronym.
I was today years old when I learnt this. Cheers
ESV is an acronym, actually.
I assumed it was the bible version released with the old very limited Holden ESV Eliminator
The English Standard Version (ESV) is an essentially literal translation of the Bible in contemporary English. Created by a team of more than 100 leading evangelical scholars and pastors, the ESV Bible emphasizes word-for-word accuracy, literary excellence, and depth of meaning. Suited for personal reading, public worship, in-depth study, and Scripture memorization, the ESV is available in more than 200 print editions on Crossway and free digitally via mobile apps or online through ESV. Since its publication in 2001, the ESV Bible has gained wide acceptance and is used by church leaders, numerous denominations and organizations, and millions of individuals around the world.
not Holy enough.
Prob the only quality deal amazon prime day will have this year
Serious question, should I just watch the movie or is the book better?
They are both as bad as each other. The only pieces of bible media ever made that are worth watching is Prince of Egypt and Jesus Christ Superstar.
My favourite movie adaptation is 'Year One'
@AustriaBargain, have you read the Bible for yourself? If not, I’d encourage you to do so for your own benefit and beliefs
This is one where the movie adaptions are better. My personal recommendations are the Mel Gibson version or Fist of Jesus.
Bible is better
Nice deal.
Is this new and old testament?
Yes sir. Would honestly recommend the Bible app. It’s free. Has all the versions. I own multiple bibles never read them but we always on our phone can’t go wrong there. Plus study plans, devotionals, etc
The Old Testament is the only part worth reading. The rest is just made up.
How did you come to that conclusion?
I agree with your first sentence. The OT is where all the good stuff happens.
I just can't stop myself shouting out my latest discovery
Ezekiel 23:20
Best discovery of my day on ozbargain last week.
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How do you charge it?
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Jesus, that's cheap!