World's Biggest Test Drive 2024 event happening at BYD today 17 August.
Complimentary home charger valued at $999 (inc. GST) for any new BYD ordered on the 17th August 2024. Colour subject to availability. If colour is no longer available, you may receive a different colour.
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Why are they cut off rom Europe and the US?
Automakers lobbying - none here so we're good.
It's not automakers. It's politicians. Euro automakers want low tariffs so they can continue building their cars at lower cost in China to sell in Europe.
@dangerdanger: Mostly the French, as German rely on China for both China market revenue and also import back to EU for profit.
We don't have locally made cars, where Europe and US do, so they have large tariffs on imported cars. This means the China cars coming in a far cheaper for us here the Europe and US.
I, for one, welcome our new overlords.
Tried googling this for a report on this claim. But I can only find that Europe and US are raising their tariffs on EVs from China. Not denying the company from selling.
Where did you see this? Would be great if it was true.
Raising tarrifs reduces sales, it's a trade restriction exactly the same as what China did to Australia a couple of years ago. You are underestimating how severe the effects of tarrifs can be.
https://www.ussc.edu.au/chinas-trade-restrictions-on-austral…
BYD is building a Europe plant, no increased tarrifs on those build
Some truth there but the facts are that Europe and the USA also subside their auto industry so what they are doing is hypocritical.
For example the huge tax rebates spanning federal and state governments mostly only apply to US made cars.
Cars made for those markets have driver side inverted
I would pay extra for that, sounds like fun
Is that like Tenet?
Last time I checked, Europe and the USA drive on the other side of the road, so I don't think they can 'dump their EU and USA' stock on us without some significant changes….
dump production capacity into a few right-hand drive models/markets.
I have an Atto 3 on order already. Does anyone think they will add on if I called or should I cancel and re-order to get the charger ?
Me think you need to call them and ask or read the terms and conditions of the deal.
Do you want me to call them and ask?
Just did and they are going to see what they can do. Salesperson seemed confident ?
Heh, car salesmen. Did you put a deposit down at time of order?
This isn't "Amazon Prime"
bro.
Worth a shot. Good luck
To be sure just cancel and reorder if you don't lose the deposit. Don't believe the salesman.
For anyone else on the fence about contacting BYD, I took receipt of my car a week before the June pay cut/JBL promo and I ended up getting the change of price and the value of the JBL equipment deposited into my account about 2 weeks later.
Anyone have any driving experience of these BYDs? I watched a great report on TV recently with some news channel's China correspondent driving many Chinese EVs, and while they were all well equipped, they all had build quality issues, software bugs and lack of 'driving feel', even when compared to a Tesla. Their prices were less than Tesla's, but I don't feel that they were low enough to accept much poorer quality, and the reporter said the same.
I recently hired a Tesla Model Y for a few weeks when on holiday overseas, and I was very, very impressed by the package. It drove very well, was well put together and the software/controls were excellent, even though it was a fairly basic version. Are any Chinese EVs on a similar level yet…..or getting there?
This is the reason why Elon sacked the marketing team :)
Because they didn't push quality enough? Because they're more expensive that Chinese rivals? I am not sure what you mean.
Ahhh, because they don't need one?
'News broke earlier this week that Tesla had laid off its entire 40-person marketing and growth content team, barely a year after starting it. Perhaps the biggest surprise for many was that Tesla even had a marketing and growth content team.
Ford spent $2.5 billion on global advertising in 2023, according to Statista. General Motors spent $3.6 billion. Meanwhile, Tesla has mostly limited its own marketing investment to price promotions and brand content across social.'
@gasman70: Well, that's why the Ford Ranger is still a top-selling car with a 25%up in sales since last year :)
edit: Tesla Model Y, down 47.7 per cent, compared to last year :)
@boomramada: It isn't accurate to compare commercial vehicle sales to consumer vehicle sales as if they are equivalent. You end up drawing false conclusions.
The model Y was the best selling consumer vehicle in Australia in 2023.
https://www.drive.com.au/news/best-selling-cars-private-buye…
@greatlamp: I was aiming at the advertising comment above, not complaining Y vs Ranger, and the data comparing sales of 2023 vs 2024.
The model Y was the best selling consumer vehicle in Australia in 2023
Yep, but 47.7% down comparing to last year.
Plus these days ppl use Ford Ranger to drop their kids, there is more Ford Rangers in the school car park than EVs 🙄
@boomramada: The Ford ranger and Toyota hilux have been the top selling vehicles in Australia for several years so it's clear that it is commercial use driving sales.
If you want to compare 2023 and 2024 sales do that with equivalent vehicles. Your comparison doesn't make sense no matter how you frame it 🙄
If sales are down from last year for the Tesla, what are they for other similar vehicles? 🙄🙄🙄
@greatlamp: Stats you can frame however you want but I wasn't comparing each models per say. This is for the comment, Ford spent $2.5 billion
@boomramada: No you can't frame stats however you want. Why not compare model Y sales to sales of Sony TVs then?
Here let me make your point for you since you refuse to.
Sales of the Model Y have dropped while sales of cheaper vehicles such as the Rav 4 and Mitsubishi outlander have significantly increased.
https://www.drive.com.au/news/vfacts-australian-new-car-sale…
@greatlamp: Thanks for the link, as a brand, Ford sales went up 22.4% and Tesla sales went down 33.3% , so advertising works. Happy now? 🤭
@boomramada: I don't know why you insist on misunderstanding what a valid comparison is, but you do you.
Yep, I have an Atto since 2023. Coming from a mid-upper class European car I thought the ride was smoother. Also very roomy inside, and I like that I have at least some buttons and levers and don't need to use the screen/voice control all the time.
The software is definitely less polished than in a Tesla, but overall the BYD is the better ride for me - and of course cheaper. I have no hesitation recommending it
Also own an atto 3 and echo the same thoughts.
You just need to test drive them all and make the judgement yourself. If you want an SUV the tesla model y is a difficult one to beat. If you are after a sedan the seal imo is > tesla model 3.
IMHO Seal vs Model 3 is not even a competition. Seal runs circles around the 3
That's the kind of feedback that I was after.
I was a bit of an anti-EV-er, so I thought, I really don't have a say unless I have a go, hence hiring one overseas.
As I said, I was very impressed, and am far less dismissive these days. In the right circumstance, they can be perfect.
I'll still more of a hybrid or hydrogen champion though, but would still seriously consider an EV if I wasn't living in such a remote location.
The Y has a terrible ride. It's rock solid. The BYDs are definitely more "comfortable" (read: floaty). Target market seems to like it.
Tesla's are all the same except the batteries and motors. So a "Basic" version is the same as the "performance" or "long range" versions - more or less. It's how they've kept the costs down.
I would pick the terrible ride with decent handling over the car that handles like a boat every time.
However I think the majority would prefer a 'floaty' car, especially if they are coming from a SUV with terrible handling- they won't know what they are missing
the Y has terrible handling and suspension - it's a known issue with the base model. I'm told it's been fixed on the performance model
Yes. +1 to that. we own a Y and a Seal. the model Y is much harder ride which translates to rattling/squeaks in the interior and higher noise levels. Seal is a much comfortable ride.
I didn't mind the Y's ride at all, as it's very planted at all times for such a heavy car. It's the 'polish' that I liked about the Tesla. Everything worked perfectly and I was very impressed with the tech, even after a couple of weeks, but I suppose that will eventually wear off. It's this 'polish' that I fear that some Chinese manufacturers are missing.
But, I should give them a go to forge a real opinion.
I mean the MG4 won car of the year last year. I have one and it's a smooth as drive.
Can't attest to the other cars.
Kia EV6 won COTY and you couldn't even buy one. It's been a dead award for many years now.
Then refer to my other half of the comment - I own one and have enjoyed it the last year.
Interior of my Seal (only got it a few days ago) is far nicer than Tesla's offering (not that Tesla is bad, and this is my opinion / it's subjective) quality interior is nicer.
The ride pretty comparable really, both lack the ice feel.
Honestly I preferred the Volvo xc40 over them, but that was $25k more.
I think I have to drive it more to get a proper feel for it though.
Tesla software is better, the screen UI is slightly smoother in Tesla as well
Just my 2c on it so far for me
BYD really do seem to be the leaders in Chinese EV offerings right now. It's only a matter of time before the rest catch up, I suppose.
I have similar anecdotal experience with Haval. Rented one of the newest models with all the bells and whistles, and it did have Heaps of drive assist gear, but car felt very "off" when driving.
I suspect vast majority of clients dont care about it and The Price is very tempting. Personally I'd buy a used premium brand for the same money.
Am I right in saying the charger is a "dumb" charger with a fancy shroud? I.e doesnt seem to be able to load balance or pull excess solar?
Correct.
I recently was in an Uber, BYD Dolphin. The interior was really cheap-looking. The door internal door handles confused me. I thought they were fans. The upholstery mesh on the roof looked like it would easily rip. I wasn't impressed. Driver was complaining about all sorts of defects, one was the seat sensors were constantly going off randomly when driving passengers around.
They make some funny design choices with the door handles doubling as speakers; it's the same in my Atto. It confuses a lot of people, but once you are used to it you appreciate the excellent sound from the speakers ;)
Having said that, I would skip the Dolphin (or any other entry level EV really). Starting point is the Atto or similar sized
Yeah, oh second thought, being an Uber, makes sense why the driver would have chosen the cheapest one, and probably with no upgrades.
I really do like the look of SEAL.
A friend of mine has one and loves it. Fun fact: he and his wife went to test drive the Atto, but they also had a look at the Seal and SHE insisted that they buy the Seal instead 😃
It can't be worse than the Corolla.
Care to elaborate? Are you an owner?
A close family member was, it was heart breaking seeing them spend that amount of money on something so cheap and nasty. It's not a comment on the country of origin, rather than a comment on build quality. I am in the Automotive trade and have constant interactions with the BYD brand. If you want quality, get a KIA EV, yes, more expensive but the poor man always pays twice
Care to elaborate?
You haven't yet elaborated on how or why.
I've owned an MG4 Xpower for nearly a year. Great car. Highly recommend. Always love a revhead revving next to me, and me barely touching the pedal and watching them disappear in my rear vision mirror.
If I plant it the 0-100 in 3 seconds is fun too.
Bad news for you then, Kia is about to release their China made EV5 here
I'm poor but never paid twice also haven't encountered any issues yet
Maybe ya just a sh*t magnet?
Are you a KIA sales? KIA has nothing to do with the word 'good quality', only fair. Apart from regular service, I've been to dealer 3 times in 1.2yr to fix defect. For the old mazda3 i replaced. I never have to been back due to defect for the entire 11yrs of ownership.
“I am in automotive trade” sounds like you are a sales person for a competitor that has been losing market share to BYD.
I have test driven Kia ev6 /9 and Tesla before buying an atto3. If Kia has got their shit together and release Kia ev5 on time to the market I would have considered it.
At the ~50k price point, the Atto 3 is a no brainer. If you want a model y you should wait for the juniper version (not available in au until after 2024), if you want a performance car you should go for Kia ev6 (faster car but less comfortable and less feature and higher price). If you want a big posh family car for for Kia ev9. If you are like me just need a mid size suv for comfortable urban driving, again atto 3 is a no brainer.
The only advantage that Tesla has is the software is better and the mobile app has more features. But BYD is constantly updating its app, and I am happy with what the current version of BYD app for a cheaper price point.
BYD dealership can be a pain to deal with. Not because of their friendliness or eagerness to help, but because their lack of knowledge on new technology. I did the car firmware upgrade myself, but that’s me being tech savvy, I don’t need to be spoon fed.
god damn you're hilarious! Korean EVs and Korean batteries are one of the most recalled products in EVs. every one knows about LG chem battery fires not going to post the links here but lets go with KIA EV.
Drive shaft recall on KIA EV6 and Niro
https://electrek.co/2024/02/05/kia-recalling-ev6-niro-evs/
Kia EV6 recall due to battery fault
https://www.drive.com.au/news/2021-2024-kia-ev6-recalled-in-…
Kia Niro EV recall due to battery fault
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/kia-niro-ev-recalled
Kia, Hyundai and Genesis EV recall due to faulty ICCU
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a60295235/hyundai-ioniq-5-…
Are you an owner?
Don't be silly 🤣
I remember back in the day when Hyundai was a new company here, and every un-informed idiot bagged them.
My brother got the Excel. Paid extra to upgrade from the 4sp manual to a 5sp. That was a brilliant little car. Took heaps of abuse - he was a driving instructor - had plenty of power and many features other manufacturers reserved for their premium models.
I'm not blowing smoke up the Chinese manufacturers butt. They could be rubbish, but you can be sure that the vast majority of people who write stuff like @Hillagood have no real world experience. People that have had real experience, even if brief, like @Lucille Bluth tend to be forthcoming on why they have an opinion, rather than just spewing 1 line posts.
Excel = classic
But but a close family member has one 😅
Honestly worried we may get Chinese ev car tarrifs 12 months much like solar panels, seen reports Germany and parts of USA are upset at imports. Elon funding trump.
We have solar panels tarrifs depute the fact we don't have 1 company in Australia making them, only assembling them from Chinese parts.
you want to fact check your fact?
We don't have any local car manufacturers to protect with tarrifs like Germany and USA
Honestly worried we may get Chinese ev car tarrifs 12 months much like solar panels, seen reports Germany and parts of USA are upset at imports. Elon funding Trump. We have solar panels tarrifs depute the fact we don't have 1 company in Australia making them, only assembling them from Chinese parts.
We do have 1 company making solar panels in Australia https://tindosolar.com.au but the appetite is to build up local manufacturing so it's entirely possible tariffs can be introduced especially if we are reaching rooftop saturation.
However, I don't understand why you are concerned about possible tariffs for vehicles. It makes no sense why we would introduce tariffs on a product we don't make anymore. This seems like a totally illogical fear.
BYD lol
Too bad their servicing is a giant ripoff, will lose the savings compared to a tesla in a few years
You know you don't have to use them for servicing don't you?
The guy showed me the schedule and cost. Isn't too bad, is it? A few hundred dollars. No?
$165 for every other 10k, then alternating $545 and $765 in between. A lot for an EV
cheaper than ICE
Thanks OP. Bought one.
Which one?
Heard that some BYDs are unable to charge at Tesla Charging Stations. Is that a thing of the past now?
The 2024 version (at least for Atto3) can be used at Tesla charging stations. The older 2023 version needs firmware update I think.
For seal
https://thedriven.io/2024/06/10/byd-seal-successfully-charge…
Just their latest superchargers the Atto 3 2022 are having issues with apparently it's a hardware resistor 'issue' either Tesla or BYD are playing funny games there, Tesla A/C chargers are fine otherwise. Unless you live in an apartment or drive 400km a day you/road trip hardly use their superchargers at their $0.80/kw rate. Honestly it's not a deal breaker.
As a 2022 Atto 3 owner 99% of my charging needs are done at home with the included 8amp trickle charger, I will look for a permanent solution when I get a 2nd BEV.
if anyone needs DLM, these guys have the accessories: https://dzelectrical.com.au/products/caro?variant=4848225039…
Noice! Free wall charger is definitely a nice incentive.
drove the seal today. The over decorated showroom can't sway the poor service and car
Waiting on Sealion 07!
And more price cuts as China dumps all their supply into Australia as they are cut off from Europe and the US.