World's Biggest Test Drive 2024 event happening at BYD today 17 August.
Complimentary home charger valued at $999 (inc. GST) for any new BYD ordered on the 17th August 2024. Colour subject to availability. If colour is no longer available, you may receive a different colour.
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Why are they cut off rom Europe and the US?
Automakers lobbying - none here so we're good.
It's not automakers. It's politicians. Euro automakers want low tariffs so they can continue building their cars at lower cost in China to sell in Europe.
@dangerdanger: Mostly the French, as German rely on China for both China market revenue and also import back to EU for profit.
@Bigboomboom: Whether European companies manufacture in China or not is not the biggest factor. They can always move to other countries with competitive labour costs and incentives, and many have started pivoting. The real issue is the Chinese government subsidizing and providing competitive advantages to chinese companies creating grossly uneven playing field. China has been doing it for ages off the back of the biggest IP theft in human history. Only in recent years where they now produce peer level attractive offerings, at much lower prices, is it forcing governments to intervene. If it were a game, it'd be hilariously brilliant by the CCP. But this is the real world, with potentially severe consequences should you end up dependent on such a nefarious regime. It's just the reality.
Given our industry is long dead, its a decent time for us as consumers, although in the long term there could be quite a few losers out of it should they pick the wrong manufacturer/product (goes bust, leaves market, become lemons after few years, poor support etc). Interesting times nonetheless.
The real issue is the Chinese government subsidizing and providing competitive advantages to chinese companies creating grossly uneven playing field.
Let's not pretend Australia doesn't do that with other industries (like agriculture or resources), tax write-offs for R&D, etc
US and European car makers or pollies have nothing to worry about if they believe China make only cheap Chinese craps.
We don't have locally made cars, where Europe and US do, so they have large tariffs on imported cars. This means the China cars coming in a far cheaper for us here the Europe and US.
About time we got cheap decent cars, like the Europeans got cheap German cars for decades
read an economist article yesterday at the local library, something about overcapacity in China + EU alleging that Chinese government is offering indirect subsidies in the form of tax incentives for electric buyers to boost demand for EV. Hence they are using tariffs to offset this "unfair" competitive advantage and bring domestic car production to compete with chinese cars at a level playing field
The EU offers plenty of subsidies as well though https://www.ft.com/content/7afd030d-5097-445e-b111-bf78763f5… and https://www.euronews.com/next/2021/09/06/decision-on-tesla-s…
Basically the EU and US fell behind on technology and has to pay substantially higher wages, so they can’t keep up. If everyone dropped their subsidies and tariffs, Chinese cars would still be cheapest.
I, for one, welcome our new overlords.
Lets be real, if there's a major war, your car not working will be the last of your concerns. And it wont be limited to chinese cars either. With no more satellites, i'd be more worried about internet dropping out and no more access to online bargains
Tried googling this for a report on this claim. But I can only find that Europe and US are raising their tariffs on EVs from China. Not denying the company from selling.
Where did you see this? Would be great if it was true.
Raising tarrifs reduces sales, it's a trade restriction exactly the same as what China did to Australia a couple of years ago. You are underestimating how severe the effects of tarrifs can be.
https://www.ussc.edu.au/chinas-trade-restrictions-on-austral…
BYD is building a Europe plant, no increased tarrifs on those build
@zoner: Yes but they'll get a rebate and tax breaks from the local government for that shiny new plant.
Oh no denying that it will affect their sales. But there is a difference between putting tariffs in place and what the OP is saying about being is completely cut off from the Europe and US markets.
Hell we did it here for the car previous made in Australia.
Some truth there but the facts are that Europe and the USA also subside their auto industry so what they are doing is hypocritical.
For example the huge tax rebates spanning federal and state governments mostly only apply to US made cars.
Cars made for those markets have driver side inverted
I would pay extra for that, sounds like fun
Is that like Tenet?
Last time I checked, Europe and the USA drive on the other side of the road, so I don't think they can 'dump their EU and USA' stock on us without some significant changes….
dump production capacity into a few right-hand drive models/markets.
They have a guy who does left to right conversion at the port.
Barry?
Personally I'm waiting for the upcoming Seahorse and the hotly anticipated Seacucumber followup!
Sealion 07 is the beauty and worth the wait. Should be coming in from around now to next year January.
Do you have a reference site for regular updates on the Sealion 07?
Electric viking on YT
I reckon before end of this year, in addition to another half a dozen new brands lol
I wouldn't exactly call it a "beauty"
Me too, insta buy for our family's first EV
I have an Atto 3 on order already. Does anyone think they will add on if I called or should I cancel and re-order to get the charger ?
Me think you need to call them and ask or read the terms and conditions of the deal.
Do you want me to call them and ask?
Just did and they are going to see what they can do. Salesperson seemed confident ?
Heh, car salesmen. Did you put a deposit down at time of order?
Salesperson seemed confident ?
Yeah confidence gets you off the phone. But yeah, you won't be getting a free charger. Let us know if we are wrong though.
Tell the sales man, you will cancel and order with another guy
This isn't "Amazon Prime"
bro.
Worth a shot. Good luck
To be sure just cancel and reorder if you don't lose the deposit. Don't believe the salesman.
For anyone else on the fence about contacting BYD, I took receipt of my car a week before the June pay cut/JBL promo and I ended up getting the change of price and the value of the JBL equipment deposited into my account about 2 weeks later.
This is the reason why Elon sacked the marketing team :)
Because they didn't push quality enough? Because they're more expensive that Chinese rivals? I am not sure what you mean.
Ahhh, because they don't need one?
'News broke earlier this week that Tesla had laid off its entire 40-person marketing and growth content team, barely a year after starting it. Perhaps the biggest surprise for many was that Tesla even had a marketing and growth content team.
Ford spent $2.5 billion on global advertising in 2023, according to Statista. General Motors spent $3.6 billion. Meanwhile, Tesla has mostly limited its own marketing investment to price promotions and brand content across social.'
@gasman70: Well, that's why the Ford Ranger is still a top-selling car with a 25%up in sales since last year :)
edit: Tesla Model Y, down 47.7 per cent, compared to last year :)
@boomramada: It isn't accurate to compare commercial vehicle sales to consumer vehicle sales as if they are equivalent. You end up drawing false conclusions.
The model Y was the best selling consumer vehicle in Australia in 2023.
https://www.drive.com.au/news/best-selling-cars-private-buye…
@greatlamp: I was aiming at the advertising comment above, not complaining Y vs Ranger, and the data comparing sales of 2023 vs 2024.
The model Y was the best selling consumer vehicle in Australia in 2023
Yep, but 47.7% down comparing to last year.
Plus these days ppl use Ford Ranger to drop their kids, there is more Ford Rangers in the school car park than EVs 🙄
@boomramada: The Ford ranger and Toyota hilux have been the top selling vehicles in Australia for several years so it's clear that it is commercial use driving sales.
If you want to compare 2023 and 2024 sales do that with equivalent vehicles. Your comparison doesn't make sense no matter how you frame it 🙄
If sales are down from last year for the Tesla, what are they for other similar vehicles? 🙄🙄🙄
@greatlamp: Stats you can frame however you want but I wasn't comparing each models per say. This is for the comment, Ford spent $2.5 billion
@boomramada: No you can't frame stats however you want. Why not compare model Y sales to sales of Sony TVs then?
Here let me make your point for you since you refuse to.
Sales of the Model Y have dropped while sales of cheaper vehicles such as the Rav 4 and Mitsubishi outlander have significantly increased.
https://www.drive.com.au/news/vfacts-australian-new-car-sale…
@greatlamp: Thanks for the link, as a brand, Ford sales went up 22.4% and Tesla sales went down 33.3% , so advertising works. Happy now? 🤭
@boomramada: I don't know why you insist on misunderstanding what a valid comparison is, but you do you.
@greatlamp: Sales of the Model Y are slightly down for the year, but that article compares June 2023 with June 2024, which is not really relevant to overall sales.
https://infogram.com/vfacts-202406-brands-most-popular-1h0r6…
Model Y sales are at 12516 so far this year compared to 14002 at the same time last year so only like 10% down in reality
@greatlamp: Second this, it's like saying 38% of marriages end in divorce and 62% marriage end in death so if you are getting married then you have more chances of death!! 😂😭
Yep, I have an Atto since 2023. Coming from a mid-upper class European car I thought the ride was smoother. Also very roomy inside, and I like that I have at least some buttons and levers and don't need to use the screen/voice control all the time.
The software is definitely less polished than in a Tesla, but overall the BYD is the better ride for me - and of course cheaper. I have no hesitation recommending it
Also own an atto 3 and echo the same thoughts.
You just need to test drive them all and make the judgement yourself. If you want an SUV the tesla model y is a difficult one to beat. If you are after a sedan the seal imo is > tesla model 3.
IMHO Seal vs Model 3 is not even a competition. Seal runs circles around the 3
@klatscho: The model 3 is more responsive, tighter and agile than the heavier floaty seal.
You could argue the seal is a better car but the model 3 actually runs rings around the seal in the real world.
@choofa: Yeah I agree. I've test driven both the Seal and Model 3 recently and the Model 3 felt far superior in my opinion. You've just got to test drive both and make up your own mind.
That's the kind of feedback that I was after.
I was a bit of an anti-EV-er, so I thought, I really don't have a say unless I have a go, hence hiring one overseas.
As I said, I was very impressed, and am far less dismissive these days. In the right circumstance, they can be perfect.
I'll still more of a hybrid or hydrogen champion though, but would still seriously consider an EV if I wasn't living in such a remote location.
The Y has a terrible ride. It's rock solid. The BYDs are definitely more "comfortable" (read: floaty). Target market seems to like it.
Tesla's are all the same except the batteries and motors. So a "Basic" version is the same as the "performance" or "long range" versions - more or less. It's how they've kept the costs down.
I would pick the terrible ride with decent handling over the car that handles like a boat every time.
However I think the majority would prefer a 'floaty' car, especially if they are coming from a SUV with terrible handling- they won't know what they are missing
the Y has terrible handling and suspension - it's a known issue with the base model. I'm told it's been fixed on the performance model
@May4th: It's not terrible andit has been better for some time now with the updated comfort suspension.
But it's still very firm and fidgety.
The seal isn't bad to drive but still floaty but the atto is basically a boat ride on wheels
@choofa: you say it's not terrible, I say it is. we both have opinions, and they are both valid. what a lovely day on the internet.
Yes. +1 to that. we own a Y and a Seal. the model Y is much harder ride which translates to rattling/squeaks in the interior and higher noise levels. Seal is a much comfortable ride.
I didn't mind the Y's ride at all, as it's very planted at all times for such a heavy car. It's the 'polish' that I liked about the Tesla. Everything worked perfectly and I was very impressed with the tech, even after a couple of weeks, but I suppose that will eventually wear off. It's this 'polish' that I fear that some Chinese manufacturers are missing.
But, I should give them a go to forge a real opinion.
I echo this - Chinese owned and made EV or say any other tech gadgets or apps lack refinement in inconspicuous ways but overall passable
I mean the MG4 won car of the year last year. I have one and it's a smooth as drive.
Can't attest to the other cars.
Kia EV6 won COTY and you couldn't even buy one. It's been a dead award for many years now.
Then refer to my other half of the comment - I own one and have enjoyed it the last year.
Camira, P76 theres a few which show that award has always been a joke and carries no weight.
I own a MG4, and I would say suspension is definitely on the firmer side.
Given I only drive in the city, would be nice to have a softer ride.
Interior of my Seal (only got it a few days ago) is far nicer than Tesla's offering (not that Tesla is bad, and this is my opinion / it's subjective) quality interior is nicer.
The ride pretty comparable really, both lack the ice feel.
Honestly I preferred the Volvo xc40 over them, but that was $25k more.
I think I have to drive it more to get a proper feel for it though.
Tesla software is better, the screen UI is slightly smoother in Tesla as well
Just my 2c on it so far for me
BYD really do seem to be the leaders in Chinese EV offerings right now. It's only a matter of time before the rest catch up, I suppose.
it's actually considered the volkswagen/Toyotas of Chinese EVs and not regarded as premium domestically, a lot of taxis are BYDs, it just has scale and expanded to overseas market the earliest. Nio and Zeekr would be more in the premium end market. MG is in the junk tier
I have similar anecdotal experience with Haval. Rented one of the newest models with all the bells and whistles, and it did have Heaps of drive assist gear, but car felt very "off" when driving.
I suspect vast majority of clients dont care about it and The Price is very tempting. Personally I'd buy a used premium brand for the same money.
Guess they didn't drive a BYD Seal Australian model. It is very good and no software bugs or build quality issues.
Why not hire an Atto 3 and compare yourself? I own both.
Am I right in saying the charger is a "dumb" charger with a fancy shroud? I.e doesnt seem to be able to load balance or pull excess solar?
Correct.
Plus you're going to need an electrician to install a 32A circuit for you to feed this.
I recently was in an Uber, BYD Dolphin. The interior was really cheap-looking. The door internal door handles confused me. I thought they were fans. The upholstery mesh on the roof looked like it would easily rip. I wasn't impressed. Driver was complaining about all sorts of defects, one was the seat sensors were constantly going off randomly when driving passengers around.
They make some funny design choices with the door handles doubling as speakers; it's the same in my Atto. It confuses a lot of people, but once you are used to it you appreciate the excellent sound from the speakers ;)
Having said that, I would skip the Dolphin (or any other entry level EV really). Starting point is the Atto or similar sized
Yeah, oh second thought, being an Uber, makes sense why the driver would have chosen the cheapest one, and probably with no upgrades.
I really do like the look of SEAL.
A friend of mine has one and loves it. Fun fact: he and his wife went to test drive the Atto, but they also had a look at the Seal and SHE insisted that they buy the Seal instead 😃
It can't be worse than the Corolla.
Waiting on Sealion 07!
And more price cuts as China dumps all their supply into Australia as they are cut off from Europe and the US.