I don't recommand this CPU for new build, may be for someone just want to upgrade the CPU and keep the old m/b and RAM.
- No free Starfield I guess.
Price updated : slightly cheaper than before
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As op said, you'd only be getting this if you had an old say 2700 and you needed a good bump in performance.
Really not for new builds.
It's not for new builds, son. It's for those of us with pre-existing AM4 builds. If I have a great X570 Mobo, 64GB DDR4, etc. I would rather slot this in, rather than jump up to first-gen AM5. If you're setting out for a new build, just go AM5.
Remember DDR5 is great and all, but it's not a 'game changer'. My MEG Unify has the PCI-E slots, M.2 slots, VRM, and bunch of high-end motherboard features, that do what I need, and more than what a budget AM5 board would give me. If I wanted similar right now with AM5, it would cost me much more than what this 5800X3D will. I'm better off waiting for another AM5 generation.
DDR5 is already a game changer. Latency has basically caught back up, and bandwidth has increased by 1.7x (usually more). Some games just don't use it fully yet, but that will rapidly shift now, especially with GDDR7 now in the mix at the design level.
No idea what you're doing that necessitates more than a couple of card slots and two NVMe slots, but that's your incredibly niche use case. Your needs do not define the majority, who will be setting the pricing.
Which is precisely why the price for this processor will remain high.
His “niche” use case is actually indicative of a huge percentage of existing AM4 users - who will be the arbiters of how the market value this CPU…
@jasswolf: thats not how it works lol the 5800x3d is miles better than the 5700x and 5600 thats why there is a price difference.
@Jasonio: No, the cache helps offset at a different point in the architecture than DDR5 would. L1 cache is faster and smaller and closer to the cores than L2, and so on that continues until you hit RAM, then storage.
3D V-Cache is L3 cache, and NVIDIA (GPU) and Intel (CPU) opted to bump L2 cache this generation. Each have their strengths and weaknesses in various games.
3D V-Cache does not benefit in all scenarios, not even most, but when it does benefit it can be a huge gain. The gain still remains about the same as jumping to DDR5-based architectures most of the time, so the 7800X3D is a huge overall jump, and for what would probably only cost $250 more than an AM4/5800X3D setup in a new build.
Meanwhile, the 5700X is $230+ less, and delivers the same performance in many, many titles. So the smart thing to do is consider what your upgrade timing is going to be over the next 2-3 years, what games you regularly play (or niche workflows), and if that extra $250 spend on your aging hardware is a good play.
For so many people, it really isn't. There's a lot of thick-headed gamers burning cash these days.
Bandwidth is cool and all, but I'm more concerned about the amount of ram. And i need the PCIE slots. 1) GPU 2) 10GB SFP+ NIC 3) SAS card connected to a 16Bay DAS. I have all M.2 slots full of NVME (OS drive/Steam drive/Cache drive). That is because it's an UnRaid gaming machine. NAS/Pfsense/Windows VM. Quite common, though obviously more niche than those who waste their machines potential by just using it exclusively for gaming.
And FYI, i upgraded from a 3600 to 5800X3D. I purposely cheaped out on the CPU at the time (2020), while focussing on the MOBO i needed. If I already had a 5000 series i might not have pulled the trigger - but I gained performance improvements from the generational uplift, more cores, and the 3D-cache. It has been money well spent.
Basically, i get great frames with DDR4 and my AM4 build, so AM5 can wait. I was an early adopter of AM4, i know from experience that the real performance of AM5 is yet to be seen.
@Shootinputin89: I have a similar use case to yours. If you run out of M2 slots it is easy to add more via a PCIe card.
Is it worth upgrading to this from a 5600X or are the increase in fps not worth it? I'm currently running a RTX3080 on 1440p monitor and don't plan on changing for a while.
its only worth upgrading to this if its predominantly used for gaming, its also worth checking out how it performs on the games you intend to use with. compare it to the 5700X, some games, you see no improvement, and in others, like Star citizen, you see massive improvements. If you do any other type of heavy work loads, there is other options that will do better.
in your use case it is extremely beneficial since you already have a good platform.
Not really. As the go to processor of the AM4 line-up, this will hold its value and retail pricing for a long time, just as the peak CPU for every previous platform has.
Most people looking for a cost-effective upgrade will migrate to the best in class solution, which will keep the price high for as long as AMD still retail them, and equally so on the second hand market.
It's not the goto processor, that's the 5700X. This is just something people blindly recommend without much of a clue.
It should not cost 2x just for the stacked cache. That's nuts.
I’ve got the 5700x so you don’t have to convince me that it’s the bang for buck champ.
But for all the gamers out there and the many upgraders chasing every last FPS - who make up a huge chunk of the intra-platform upgrade market - this is undoubtedly the “go to” CPU of choice, hence the enduring premium price. Irrespective of how much you want to pay for it…
@UncleRico: Every last bit of FPS in select titles. That's the distinction that needs to be made, and people should be looking at what they're using it with, and how long they plan to extend the life of the system for.
Extra CPU L3 cache is not a panacea for gaming, particularly if you've got a GPU upgrade in the offing.
@jasswolf: All things being equal, an overwhelming majority of games benefit from the additional cache compared to faster and alternative CPUs with greater cores, never mind the older generation CPUs which many look to upgrade to extend the usable lifespans of their systems..
For people like me, the 5700x is a better choice since it’s cheaper and has more cores which will benefit multi-tasking, encoding and other use-cases which are common in my case. But gaming isn’t one of them, else I’d pay the premium that so many other AM4 users choose to.
Equating its performance bump to that of a new GPU simply isn’t the exercise that’s undertaken when AMD and market forces set the price of components like this. I’m happy to respectfully disagree with you and wager that this CPU will justifiably command a premium for years to come, no matter how many folk like you begrudge it.
Agreed. You can readily search eBay for the prices of the top of the range CPU from each generation. All are surprisingly expensive, regardless of age. I recently bought a Q9550 and 6700K to "upgrade" some old hardware I had sitting around.
I will buy it used when $150 and probably still wont need it. 🤣
AMD will discontinue this long before it sells for $150 retail, I think. When this hits $150 on the secondhand market, it could be another 5 to 10 years down the track. I recently bought a 6700K for $100 secondhand for fun. Nobody really needs these things. My iMac from 2011 is still functioning fluidly like it's released yesterday with just an SSD upgrade. By limiting OS upgrades on older hardware, Apple has actually inadvertently taught a lesson that we only need the newer CPUs to accommodate the newer software. Personally, I have found no need for any of the new must-have features in the last 10 years of software upgrades, to be honest.
I don't know if valid for free game Starfield
It's free for only the 5600G and 5700G from the 5000 series.
I’ll just use my laptop until prices come down
margins are high on these just waiting for the dumb money to run out might take a while lol
A huge part of society has money, and the increase cost of living really isn't impacting them. Spending $2k on a gpu isn't much of a problem, so companies will continue to charge these prices. There is a good possibility prices don't come down again.
All that has happened is everyone has shifted down a bit in their class of living.
I think you're severely overestimating how many people spend $2000 on a GPU and don't live to regret it, which is exclusively the domain of people who can write it off on their tax return.
The same people also tend to sit there with a 5 year old 60-144Hz monitor, as well as speakers and headphones I would give to even the most destructive child, but yeah sure, it's savy people with savy incomes who are making all the purchasing decisions…
This isn't explained purely by normal inflation, and isn't justified from the perspective of consumers. It's margin and cost creep that is born of a lack of manufacturing innovation, and marketing and software teams throwing cash around in a desperate bid to stay relevant.
Apple and NVIDIA both need to get their shit together, because the used market isn't going to keep saving them from their decision making, likewise TSMC. Even AMD need to get it together because they're just throwing raw numbers at problems instead of investing in R&D and software. A better balance should be struck, and all these chip and software companies need to get on top of that by recognising what wages and goods/service pricings are inflated and adjust.
Websites like this one shouldn't have to become such a staple to sort through the bullshit.
That was fat fingers, I actually meant $1k as in current mid-range price "x070" range pricing.
The rest of your points are valid, but I don't think that changes much from the fact people are still paying these prices, even if they don't like it. And it's happening across the board, not even just tech.
I'm just saying in relation to op that "prices to come down" may not happen as people are still paying current prices.
@incipient: Then it's pretty clear what will happen: mobile chip manufacturers will get extra money to play with and fully realise modular computing.
As it is, most people are quickly going to be using their phones in docks for desktop and laptop use. We've also got foldable phones that convert into tablets, and the smartwatch is now in a position to start replacing how many use smartphones unless gaming and modular computing hit phones.
PC gaming is a niche within a niche now, and console gaming isn't far behind. With edge and cloud coming into the picture with denser networks, they've got to get serious about the value they offer at normal consumer prices.
NVIDIA tried to beat down TSMC, but at this stage their biggest moves on that front have been:
In terms of significant change, these are all one-time moves, and two of them hand an advantage to mobile designs. Chiplet/MCM design will ride in to save high-end GPUs, but will it happen fast enough?
@jasswolf: Smartwatches replacing smartphones? Which one you referring to as an example. I think the battery limitations in a watch and the usability limitations of the form factor are holding it back from truly replacing smart phones.
@mordinhoz: Nothing yet, I just think the hardware is starting to hit the lower bound for those who want phone service and basic apps. Maybe the latest Apple watch?
You'd need smartglasses or an external flexible screen to take it further, and either would probably only hit mainstream when they were confident on short throw wireless video, though compression may make that reality faster if it's not too resource intensive on the encoding side.
it’s not impacting them yet but consumer confidence is already on the decline
and credit card debt is at record highs in the us
the music can keep going for years but I’m happy to wait lol
Got to remember that the GFC happened in late 2008 but the shit didn't hit the fan until late 2009 and 2010. We then saw a 2-3 year slow decline after that.
And a huge part of society has no money, and the increase cost of living really is impacting them.
"the rich get richer and the poor get poorer"
It's a cliche for a reason. Unfortunately here the govt isn't doing a great job of redistributing wealth. Better than US, but still not great.
Well maybe don't fixate on a top of the line CPU then? There are plenty of cheaper desktop CPUs that will outperform a laptop.
pretty sure R9 is top of line, and then there are binned cpus this is no where close
this is not a significant sum of money but I just don’t like buying high (unless it’s stock market)
also this is last gen btw lol
It's last gen that will still outperform most laptop CPUs.
Laptops are by design massively compromised in most performance respects. Tiny screens, crappy processing power, compromised graphics. Throttled by thermal design.
Saying that you're too clever to use desktop computing isn't the brag that you seem to think it is.
@rumblytangara: I’ve used desktops for years just don’t need one atm
Pretty sure the laptop 7840hs is very close to this cpu, you can push sustained 55w which takes you close to desktop, and there is also the 7945x which are just zen4 chips in a laptop
and how is using a laptop bragging lol, it’s not my fault cpu prices are high
I saw this price the other day, I'm after this CPU but too stingy to buy at >$400 :-\
You can get it for $480 at computer alliance on ebay (with ebayplus voucher) in free express delivery if you want it quicker than waiting for it to be delivered from Germany, but still… I can't justify the spend.
I'll buy it eventually, it'll be the last upgrade I do on my AM4 motherboard.
I have had items from amazon Germany come quicker than items from Melbourne.
REAL question here… can you slot this CPU in and set it to 64w/45w Eco mode in the bios? like you can with a 5700X or 5600 from 64w default to 45w eco
Yes, but from memory it does reduce performance a lot. Probably better to do all core undervolt between -20 to -30
Better to apply -30 (or -25) CO on all cores. It will reduce the multi core wattage to 110W and drops temps by 10C. 65W eco mode will use about 80W so CO it's not too far off and you will get better performance than stock.
Is it worth upgrading my r5 1600? to it or just better to start off on a new build? If i still to the current setup i'd probably be looking to upgrade the rx580.
Yes, it's close to the 7600 in performance in most games, without the extra platform cost.
You should check motherboard compatability thoung.
Without knowing what parts you have, what you use it for and what you plan to spend, it's a coin flip.
If you still have a r5 1600 what do you care about having top tier performance? What are you targeting here? Suggest getting a 3600 for ~90 bucks. That's a big upgrade for you.
Before you get a 5xxx series CPU, you want a b550 motherboard. Yeah a ryzen 5x00 CPU will run on older boards but speaking from experience, unless you then run at xmp ram settings and stock clocks, the chances of random crashes goes up too much
if you're not upgrading to a 3090 or faster GPU, just get the 5700x at literally half the price of this for negligible performance difference.
I'm still rocking a 1700 in a B350 mobo & 3200 CL14 memory compatible with the 5700x. Where can I get it for $233? Will buy immediately.
Only use the system for Lightroom so I reckon a ~double in performance for $233 is smarter than buying a whole kit.
You can get a tray 5700x (no box, no fan) right now on aliexpress for around $238 and maybe lower with the current ali deal
@Unotifoso: I actually didn't know, thanks.
The one that I was looking at was this one: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004274929037.html
With welcome deal, it's $147.87 usd + $15.29 = $163.16 usd (~$252.38 aud), which seems to be cheaper than when you are browsing in AUD ($239.08 + $24.69 = $263.77) (another observation: the GST charged isn't exactly 10%)
Either way yeah doesn't seem worth it
The 5700x regularly goes on sale for ~$270, once in a while it coincides with bonus cashback, ~15% brings it down to ~$230. Could also deploy discounted GCs if you've been accumulating those.
Also FWIW the regular retail box 5700x also doesn't include a fan lol.
@xrailgun: Wraith on my 1700 is probably fine, will try and check the temps.
Thanks for the replies 👌🏼
I have a Ryzen 5 3600, paired with an RTX3080. Not super keen to jump to a new platform to save some money, would this be a worthy upgrade or should i holdout till new gen gets cheaper in a year or so?
At 1080p and 1440p it would be a good upgrade. You will get much better 1% lows and higher average fps. At 4K the difference would be marginal.
I'm.gaming at 3440x1440 :)
I jumped from 3600X to 5800X3D. Made a huge difference at 1440p. Paid release price and have no regrets.
@Murpha: I hate reading this. . just after paying rego, insurance on car + house… on and the gas/electric + rates bill due in 2 weeks :'(
I also have the 3600 and have been waiting for this to drop
You will not get the performance as chart, because it pair with 4090. So just a reference for you to compare all the CPU pairing with 4090
https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d/images/average…
it's perfect for my shoe box build that once had a 3500x
Still running my 3900X with a 2080 Super, keep thinking I should change one (or both) out but just no sure if it's worth it at the current prices.
3700 and 2080 here. Same deal really. CPU still seems to do well and rarely ever hits 100% usage for anything. Gaming PC with 1440p monitors.
Better, but this really should be $400 or less by now. DDR5 and DDR4 pricing is through the floor, AM5 and AM4 board prices are plummeting, as are every other chip in the current Ryzen line-up, including the 7800X3D.
This is artificially inflated by people who look at SEO results and reddit, then don't even bother to consider their upgrading timing or own suite of games when purchasing.