Australian Unions website are giving away free We Love Our Medicare stickers.
Free “We Love Our Medicare” Circle Sticker from Australian Unions
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There is now, out of stock, I snagged the last one. Bargain.
Is there a sticker we love our train from the unions
if you call your unions as onions
both make you cry
This thread will get spicy.
As a long time Sky News viewer, this is extreme communism gone mad. Want to know why? Do your own research.
I much prefer to be herded like a sheep. I mean this is Ozbargain after all, I just buy what ever that hits the front page.
Sky New viewer means a lot.
Best comment ever
Edit: maybe not the best, you actually missed saying the phrase "you guys are sheep"
this is extreme communism gone mad
Yeah, because the American system with almost entirely private health has worked sooo well (not). The American healthcare system is known as being both the world's most expensive and least effective health care system.
get an ambulance when they need one
Ambulances in America are private companies, they ask for your private health insurance details before they send one out. And being for-profit companies, they try to minimize the number of vehicles and paramedics they have, so a lot of people DO die while waiting for them.
Which system would you prefer? One where you can vote out the people who underfund ambulances (politicians in Australia), or one where you have to convince board members of a private company to give up their bonuses, in order to get more ambulances and paramedics?
Which system would you prefer? One where you can vote out the people who underfund ambulances (politicians in Australia), or one where you have to convince board members of a private company
Actually the latter sounds much better. If you have the money, I prefer a system where I can pay for good services, not have them neutered to the lowest common denominator. With public services you have the choice of dumb or dumber, with private you get more options.
Sure that doesn't suit everyone, but if you're doing alright why would prefer b-grade services?
@1st-Amendment: having worked in european, american and aussie healthcare, the latter isnt that bad, and while the current situation isnt all hunky dory, australians have it pretty good even (well especially) in the public sector.
yeah hospitals arent holiday resorts with 5star michelin chefs unless you go private but is that why you are there ? (and actually some rural hospitals do have proper cooks with excellent food).while you might get get excellent care in the US it might be also piss poor and also cost you a lot, and by a lot i mean insanity how is this even conceivable a lot… if you are the average joe, i'd consider going overseas if american
@Russ: I don't know where you get the idea that they ask for your insurance details before sending an ambulance.
What really happens is, you call 911 you get an ambulance it's that simple.
I agree that after you end up in the hospital they will charge you a bunch of money if you don't have insurance.
All i knew is that in Melbourne where i live, if an 80-year-old woman falls down and breaks her leg, in the best case scenario you could be waiting on the Ambos for 2 hours on a busy day (because she'll be alright she's still conscious and take a taxi) and in the worst case, you could be waiting for 60 minutes just to talk to someone on 000. All this in the world's 7 time voted most liveable city.There are lots of valid points about how the american system has problems. But don't believe that our system is perfect, it's far from it. just speak to someone who waited for an ambulance while in an emergency. That's a whole other argument about our system v theirs.
As for voting out politicians who don't do their job. with the Victorian elections in a month, dan will probably win. So there's that.
Get out of your echo chamber and you'll find out all sorts of things…
I don't know where you get the idea that they ask for your insurance details before sending an ambulance.
From articles that say
According to a recent study, 71% of ambulance providers don’t take the patient’s insurance.
So I guess it depends on who your local ambulance company is, but 29% of them do.
Quote taken from here:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/10/why-taking-an-ambulance-is-s…That article also says
79% of patients who took a ground ambulance could be on the hook for an average fee of $450 after their insurance paid out. By comparison, air ambulances can cost the average patient $21,700 after the insurance pays out.
I reckon the Australian system is far better, although there are obviously some places like Victoria where there are problems.
you could be waiting on the Ambos for 2 hours on a busy day
That's how it is for something that isn't predictable. If you have lots of ambulances, most are sitting idle all day, and that costs significant money. So the opposition will complain about "too much money wasted" or they complain about "not enough ambulances". And in reality, they probably complain about both, so there's no political way to move forward.
If you can think of a way the current Victorian government can move forward on this issue, without being attacked by the opposition, I'd like to hear it.
Don't forget that the opposition attacks in two ways: via the mainstream media sometimes, and via flyers in mailboxes other times. Flyers in mailboxes are a disruptive tool, they let a political party say two diametrically opposite things in different areas, and very rarely get called out for it.
@Russ: maybe i missed it but nowhere in the article does it mention that they won't send out an ambulance when one is requested.
the piece is about how they bill them afterwards.in Victoria how did the opposition's complaints & attacks (as you call them), stop the government of the 9 last years from doing its job? One that I might add, they promised to fix.
if you do any research outside of articles that conform to your preconceived ideas and find some that challenge them, you'll find that systems like ours because there's no competition to incentivize change there are only the political considerations of the day, and that these issues are features rather than bugs. and you'll also find that politics is often as dirty if not more so than capitalism.
The American healthcare system is known as being both the world's most expensive and least effective health care system.
Known by whom? ABC viewers 🤣
The US is expensive that is true, but it is also the best, and you get what you pay for.
As an example, the US has the highest cancer survival rates, so if you had cancer would your prefer to save a few bucks or to live?And I just looked up the costs to compare. The average American is out of pocket about $104/month for health insurance which is less than I pay for my Medicare Levy and Health insurance:
https://www.investopedia.com/how-much-does-health-insurance-…So for most Americans with a job, it's is better AND cheaper.
And I just looked up the costs to compare. The average American is out of pocket about $104/month for health insurance which is less than I pay for my Medicare Levy and Health insurance:
This is an absurd comparison because it ignores that 3/4 of the health insurance bill is paid by employers as part of an employee's salary package.
Your $104 is (roughly) the equivalent of our GP gap payments and/or health insurance excesses.
America has the highest healthcare costs and the worst coverage in the first world. The #1 cause for bankruptcies in the US is medical bills.
I have lived and worked in the US, their healthcare SYSTEM is sh*t.
This is an absurd comparison because it..
disagrees with your existing beliefs…
3/4 of the health insurance bill is paid by employers as part of an employee's salary package
They also get paid more on average, pay less tax, and lower cost of living. But you read something on the ABC that said capitalism is evil, so cue the cognitive dissonance… oh wait, too late…
But you read something on the ABC that said capitalism is evil, so cue the cognitive dissonance… oh wait, too late…
My bad. Foolishly assumed the possibility of a useful discussion. Carry on.
@drsmithy: The monthly cost isn't the major issue with US private insurance - it's the deductible that is the killer and conveniently left out of conversations
The deductible is what you need to pay of your bills before they are covered by insurance - this is on top of your monthly premium
The average deductible for a single person is $4,364 per annum - so that means all the Dr appointment and any treatments up to that amount you pay out of pocket. Once it goes over that then it's insured.
My mum lives in the US and has a decent deductible of $3000 but it means each year she essentially has to budget about $4500 of her money to health (deductible plus her portion of premium after employer contribution)
There are some savings options called HSA that allow you to save with lower taxation and have it sitting there but that's still a hefty amount.
Even for healthy people who might only spend $1200 year for example at Dr you have to pay it all out of pocket plus your premium even though you have private health insurance
@BLB1984: So your mum is effectively paying US$4500 as salary packaging, plus US$1500 in fees, plus the first US$3000 of every year's medical bills.
So a total yearly cost of US$6000 to US$9000. In Australian terms, that's currently equivalent to paying AU$9200 for health insurance with an excess of AU$4600, and that's for a single person. Wow.
Thanks for the explanation and figures!
@Russ: if you lurk on reddit/twitter long enough, frequently people share their hospital bills for simple things… and the figures just fluff up easy.
people are literally a random hospital bill away to poverty.
and this is assuming that your insurance officer (who is not medically trained) that assesses your need for, and approves your medical treatment.
if your insurance claims gets knocked back, you are on hook for 100% of the bill.
*Dental not included.
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DENTAL PLAN!
MONORAIL!
cheap drugs ftw
That's the PBS…
https://shop.australianunions.org.au/products/i-did-my-part-…
Even more trigger worthy stickers available :)
its an inverse cost to trigger ratio :)
Did you get the tattoo as well?
??? NSW elections is next year
federal election,
What does the Feds got to do with NSW trains?
Anthony from admin
Looks like somebody still hasn't gotten over Scotty from marketing
Actually not. I didn't think much of him - he was too left-wing. I'm just being derogatory towards our new PM.
That's it really.
Not fascist enough for you?
Do you even know what that word means? See if you can give us your definition without looking it up
Gervais is working class, Gervais fanboy.
Yes, so there.
so you're after a 'We hate Medicare" sticker deal?
We hate Medicare"
I don’t love it so I must hate it ?
That’s more binary thinking from you SBOB mate.I'm so glad to hear you've moved beyond thinking about things in binary terms. Welcome, new LGBTIQ+ ally!
@GrueHunter: I know you are being funny but a lot of people here don’t need much to misconstrue things…
Each to their own, I have never objected to other people’s preferences.I'm so glad to hear you've moved beyond thinking about things in binary terms. Welcome, new LGBTIQ+ ally!
I know you were just being funny, but your post is exactly the kind of binary thinking he was talking about. ie either all for this or all against it.
Try doing less of that…@1st-Amendment: So is binary like when you’re not triggered or are triggered? Cos I clicked ‘view source’ on ur comments and it’s just 111111111111111…
So is binary like when you’re not triggered or are triggered?
That is called projection. Also do less of that…
Another trigging forum post disguised as a deal
Let me get popcorn
trigging
🧐
A bonus trigger
no love train sticker :(
No love tunnel sticker either
Union dues being responsibly spent 🙄 no doubt it's eligible for some tax write off or similar rort. Funds, be they public or member, shouldn't be pissed away on cheap propaganda like this.
propaganda
If I put Vaccinated and Proud! I bet you'll be the guy key my car.
If I want cheap propaganda, ill just draw a crappy Z on the side of my car.
what does the Russia-Ukraine war have to do with medicare or unions?
Which union are you a member of?
Together aka Useless Lackey (profanity)
Unions are tax exempt
Since Optus overshared, we could be giving away ‘we love your Medicare’ stickers to various scamsters
I think it was Gough and Bob actually.
Who do you think pushed Gough?
No wait list?