Previously only offered as a full fee paying place ($48,164), now available as a Commonwealth Supported Place (CSP) at $21,936 less 10% for upfront payment = $19,742.40. Can be completed online or in person at the Sydney city campus or Wollongong campus.
Nope, heaps of unis were offering subsidied Grad cert short courses last year but no one really offers CSP masters programs.
CSP is mainly a subsidised offer, there are certain postgrads that are CSP supported, each unit gets a different postgrads based on the region, requirement of skills and a few other criteria.
Is there a list of CSP post grad courses?
Nope, too will have to check with each uni
Some disciplines are more likely to have CSPs than others, such as Teaching, Social Work, Architecture, Nursing etc. (the ones that lead to a specific professional registration afterwards). CSPs for MBAs & other general postgrads are quite a rare catch.
It's the opposite. Non CSP is the norm. You can always FEE-HELP which is HECS style loan at the full fee amount.
MBAs are junk, but they're full fee because most enrolments are internationals who simply see it as a pathway to permanent residency. Half the Indian guys you see waiting in the Macca's car park at 2AM for UberEats orders are enrolled in MBAs.
i mean you can make good stacks beening a business branch owner at a maccas.
You don't need an MBA to own a McDonald's. You need to have store experience, plus be accepted into their academy program, then - and only then - will you be offered to buy a business ($750 K +).
It's definitely not something you can just decide to do.
This isn't correct. Most specialisations available in MBA don't qualify for skilled immigration. e.g. marketing, finance, HR etc. Plus, it's not a full degree dedicated to one specialisation, which is another reason. If one was to opt for a course for PR pathway, then there are many better options available including Masters in Accountancy or Masters in IT.
Half the Indian guys you see waiting in the Macca's car park at 2AM for UberEats orders are enrolled in MBAs.
AGSM (UNSW), Uni Syd and Uni Melb are some of the internationally known and demanding MBA programs with reasonably hard selection criteria (though not as hard as other globally known unis). I doubt if students enrolled in these course have enough time to do Uber Eats as a side gig. Also, typically the students enrolling in those programs (either local or international) have done well for themselves in career already even before entering the MBA. They aren't the ones who would do a program for the sake of doing it. You're talking of a totally different league which you should have clarified. Generalisation is dangerous, and so is half knowledge.
I mean, MBAs are regarded very highly in India.
I know so many people from the older generation who have done it.
I don’t think they see it as a path to PR specifically, just as a requirement for getting a job. I.e Bachelor of engineering then MBA and boom - magically hireable.(In India)
I mean, MBAs are regarded very highly in India.
No matter which country you talk about, there are always some top 10-20% programs and then a lot of the remaining 80% are basically MBA-selling or (any) degree-selling institutes (often private). What's highly regarded isn't just a plain MBA from anywhere - it's an MBA from those top 10% institutes. This is the case in the US, India, UK and possibly everywhere where there are a very high number of universities/ colleges in the country.
People often forget this and just get into ANY institute (because it's easier i.e. no high score required, no competitive exams to face) and then they blame the degree when they don't get a job at the end. It's not the degree to be blamed - it's the selection of the university in the first place. Reputation of the program is extremely important when you choose to do an MBA, irrespective of the fees of the program. More expensive isn't always nicer.
They're not coming on skilled migrant visa. They're students. And enrolling in an Australian MBA with intent to apply for permanent residency is 100% a thing. It's why there are hundreds of posts on Quora asking for advice on this exact question. It's why when I was visiting India, there are billboards explicitly advertising this pathway.
You're also equating Go8 MBA to University of Wollongong. Now, not to denigrate the UoW, but you don't go there to network and take that next career step in a Fortune 500 company, i.e. the only reason one would be doing an MBA in the first place. You're not comparing like-for-like. Where do you think all those gig drivers come from? Skilled workers visas? No, they're invariably international students. So next time you get UberEars, ask what their major is.
@SydStrand: An international student enrolled in any degree can intend to apply for a permanent residency - I am not arguing that fact. I am saying that MBA program isn't the best and easiest pathway to a skilled migration visa. There are many other programs 'dedicated' to the specialisations that are among the skills shortage list. If an MBA student doesn't even know this basic fact even though their end goal is to achieve PR, then I doubt their pre-admission research quality in the first place.
I understand the difference between an international student and someone who has a skilled immigrant visa aka PR (either applied offshore or after studying here). The difference is HUGE in terms of work experience, skills, work rights, etc. I am not confused about it. The ones with PR are typically settled in well-paying corporate jobs in their fields of specialisation. The ones doing part time jobs, Uber Eats, etc are obviously students - there is no doubt about it. But even if they are students today, they are conscious of their pathway to PR unless they want to move to some other country after studies. They would know which degrees give them the best pathway to EITHER skilled immigrant visa (PR) OR good job prospects with employer-sponsored work visa. And a non-Go8 MBA apparently doesn't fit in any of these two buckets. Why would an international student choose such a degree? That's the point I was trying to make.
Anyway, your comment earlier was way general. The moment you differentiated Go8 vs the rest, it makes sense now. Cheers.
@virhlpool: I feel like you got very in tune with the intentions and knowledge of int. students and PR hopefuls. You don't like generalising but I feel you're doing the exact same thing.
@cookie2: My bad if my comments came across that way. The purpose of my comments was just to reply to some of the others. I didn't have much else to say on the topic.
Did MBA in Sydney (not at UoW), didn't see any Indian names in my class… so…
@Ryballs: It's not racist to point out the obvious. I actually agree with u/vihrpool that there are other, better courses to secure PR than an MBA. There are too many junk MBA programs that chase tuition fees by signing up internationals who hadn't done their homework, promising employment or Visa opportunities that don't materialise, and loading them up with debt. Unless they have family backing, they're the ones supporting themselves with insecure gig jobs. Recognising exploitation shouldn't be controversial or considered 'racist,' unless you're trying to defend the honour of your diploma.
@SydStrand: Don't worry, some people like to yell racism and just feel uncomfortable with any talk about any race. I've got a feeling that many of the ones that don't seem to be able to analyse the difference between racism and not have either just done some uni study (theory) and/or have likely never experienced true and persistent racism in their life. Or massive chip on shoulder.
@Ryballs: Generalising isn't racism. Let someone have an opinion based on their personal experience and stop being so quick to find "casual racism".
The top MBA programs in Australia you listed are no more difficult to enter than a Commerce degree at a decent university.
There is no league or connections that will open up for you, it really is a waste of time and money doing an MBA in Australia
@greatlamp: THis.
MBA is easier than undergraduate in a decent area.
Don't let people make you think an MBA is hard. It's a piece of **** after a real undergraduate degree.
@Weshouldgetsushi: Bachelor degrees are usually vocation specific unless you do management, which is sort of like an MBA for people just out of high school. The clue of what an MBA is about is in the third letter - A, for Administration. For some people the subject matter is mostly common sense that they will either know already after years in the workforce or will pick up quickly as it will seem common sense. Others might struggle with some of the concepts, like engineers trying to learn employment Law.
@Weshouldgetsushi: Very crude answer: someone who excels at numbers based learning may have a shock when taking a language based class. Same as an artistic designer person may struggle with a pure numbers finance class.
@greatlamp: MBA is easier than just a straight up finance. Economics or accounting degree. It's a bunch of mixed subjects.
If you want a challenge for finance for example, step up to CFA but I wouldn't waste my time with MBA
Just so you know MBA is not in the skilled list so it does not qualify for the residency in any way
It looks like the half of people that you mentioned have negged you 😬
Which Visa Subclass? Asking for a friend. :O
Thanks op, enrolled a few times given it’s an absolute bargain
Thanks OP, enrolled my seventeen kids!
With the money you have saved you could buy a C class Mercedes Benz. High yield investments agogo!
What jobs can I apply for once I'm qualified?
Aldi checkout operator
Thanks. Signing up now then. #Goals
Remember you have to stand all day
@life is suffering: Yea I was gonna say Aldi checkout people have it best out of all the supermarkets. They actually get to sit.
Don't forget to check if any cashback available!
Ha ha this is gold
well said mate
Aldi store staff get paid quite well actually.
Lots of tasks within each supermarket,
but comparatively well paid too.
GPU Purchasing Consultant
I wonder if lived experience can give me RPL?
It can definitely give you a lot of grey hairs :)
MBA useless unless you are already in a good position and want to make the jump to executive management.
Need MBA from reputable school so you can get da contacts and shit.
I'm not in a good position. I've submitted my withdrawal notice. Cheers.
MBA is a given now for many roles, including the ones I'm been in for years.
Only did it because work paid.
There is no real value in an MBA - it doesn't teach you to be a manager. But it gave me more letters after my name.
This. Know lots of people who did an MBA just because it looked good, and it was a requirement for their position, but no real value. Might be different for some, but just to keep everyone's expectations in check
What industry are you in for it to be “a given” ?
@Weshouldgetsushi: Nah it’s not. Not in Australia.
Big miners were giving them out for free when the going was good back before the crunch but not anymore.
I nearly did my EMBA at Melb Uni until I got promoted without it… I know lots of people with MBA's some good some not so good. But as said if you haven't already made it without one its probably not going to make a difference with one. Maybe I'll do a SEMBA to look the part when its time for C-Suite.
Junior VP at a paper supply company.
That has my name written all over it. Withdrawn my withdrawal.
Forewarning, you are likely to commit fraud and end up working at a bowling alley.
Everything. I know a personal assistant with an MBA and an executive leader.
Everything in between
Hi OP, where can you find an online bargain price medical degree?
Actually finished a course there. Heaps quick and learned a lot. Has already paid itself off. Have successfully operated on 3 family members, and even saved nan's life.
Read ozbargain forums
Google and YouTube, for free.
Best ask Dept. of Health.
Hollywood Upstairs Medical College
I guess MBA used to be all the rage, until ppl found out it doesn’t qualify you to join the C-Suite.
The MBA’s of real value would result in contacts to further your career. Then again you would need to go to one of the top institutions (Harvard Business School anyone?) Doing an MBA without any solid industry exp IMO is a waste if time and money.
Completely agree.
MBAs have become incredibly commercialised nowadays where everyone is willing to offer you a spot as long as you pay. We get tons of "pre-approved" ads to do one on LinkedIn.
The real value of an MBA is not in getting the piece of paper certificate. It's not an undergraduate Bachelor's degree to get your foot on the career ladder.
It's very much about the knowledge gained and perhaps most importantly, the business networking and connections you make along the way which are meant to last a lifetime. Most good ones send you abroad for stints such as to New York for a month or so to learn and grow further.
MBAs are not designed for career changes. They're to further development of existing knowledge and networking to facilitate moving up the ladder to Executive roles and/or commencing & evolving your own business ventures.
I would strongly suggest people speak to admissions at the Unis and go speak to someone there about your aspirations and options to see if it's good fit for you.
MBAs have become incredibly commercialised nowadays where everyone is willing to offer you a spot as long as you pay. We get tons of "pre-approved" ads to do one on LinkedIn.
That's true with many degrees though. That's why you always look at the global/ national rankings and then choose top MBA programs. They are still worth it as companies do flock to hire those graduates. Top b-school graduates in Singapore, India, HK, etc typically end up with multiple job offers even before they complete their program. But then getting into those schools is extremely competitive. So, it all boils down to the specific university. There are programs where multinational companies fight to line up to grab the top students before the others pick them and then there are programs which wouldn't attract even a single company to hire their students for even 1/4th of the salaries as what the companies would pay at the top schools.
Yep, the value is in the people network you build from these B. schools.
This
Agree. To be a C level manager you generally just have to know the least in the room and make stupid decisions which cost millions of dollars for no reason.
You should also be adept in blaming other people for your stupidity and claim credit for anything and everything.
MBA doesn't really play into it
know the least in the room and make stupid decisions which cost millions of dollars for no reason.
"Strategic investment in a loss-leading venture"
Lingo is important at the executive level. You have to talk the talk before you can bank that bonus.
remember, Masturbation Better than Adultery
Hmmm, I used to think that, but as the years go by…
Not for me.
Don't tell.
The real value from doing my MBA was making me more confident and better at making business decisions.
This made me much better at presenting to upper management and justifying why I should have a raise / better jobs.
Also helped me negotiate higher wages since I showed I was serious about personal development.
This is an understated post.
Looking at the subjects when I was completing my degree… I can't remember seeing a subject that would give you the above… other than you getting more confidence and with age, became more valuable in the workplace and you becoming aware of that value.
Which subjects do you think gave you the ability to negotiate higher wages? Sorry I'm just not seeing it
@BusMan247: Not the subjects themselves (although communication / negotiation subjects themselves help with negotiating higher salaries).
The way it worked for me was after I got my letter of offer I called the HR rep and said I wanted to negotiate my salary. Then I explained that I completed an MBA to further improve myself and provide benefits to the company that others might not have like an understanding of other aspects of the business and how I can contribute to them. For example, finance, innovation, people management (surprising how many managers don't even bother trying to get a cert in frontline management), change management, and governance.
Generally the hiring manager can approve a certain amount but any higher and they need approval from the manager/director and the above is exactly the time of evidence that they can provide to get a higher number.
I started my MBA because all the managers at my company had one so it was expected that anyone wanted to get to that level needed it. Since then I've moved into another company that doesn't require it but I don't regret it.
This isn't a course I would do straight out of uni, I did it 5 years after my undergrad and I think it was the right time. You need some time working in the industry so you can really apply what you are learning and see how it relates.
Another benefit of waiting is you can likely have it as a tax deduction.
brilliant, great share — enrolled twice, thank you
I already have an MA, If I get this I'll be a MAMBA
Kobe is that you?
RIP GOAT
I think you misunderstood us, we want someone less than 25 but with 30 years experience plus 10 major projects
Inception
Thanks, bought 4.
Making Bullshit Acceptable
That’s interesting, so CSP is not the norm for postgrad?