Boycotting Russian Goods and Services

heartychat on 12/03/2022 - 12:41
Last edited 23/03/2022 - 20:57

I know that many governments around the world have already placed economic sanctions on Russia.

Are there any goods or services that are available for purchase to the common Australian citizen that we could be made aware of that supports the Russian or Belarus government, or Russian oligarch businesses? I’m trying to think of goods or services that may either directly or indirectly (back door) support, assist the Russian/Belarus/oligarch establishments, and I can’t think of any that the Australian citizen can directly boycott.

EDIT: 23rd March 2022

Well it's been a week and a half from when I first posted this, and I'd say this has been a wildly successful post. It's successful because after about 440 comments from 130 different contributors, I got the answer to the original question (see below list). It's taken a while for me to get back to this, because I only read this every couple of days or so. Thank you Ozbargain community for answering the question!

  • some caviar brands
  • selected vodka brands. However, many Australian liquor stores have already pulled them from their shelves and catalogues
  • Matryoshka dolls
  • some diamonds originate from Russian owned mines
  • some computer games, computer services and programs
  • watch brands e.g. Vostok and Sturmanskie
  • some decorative swords

Btw, I haven't added 'fuel' as an answer since as far as I can tell, we can't choose the country of origin for consumer fuel.

For those that want to support Russia, one way that you could start is by purchasing items from this list. Best of luck with your purchases.

General Discussion

Comments

  • johnwinds on 14/03/2022 - 12:47
    +2

    Buy an electric vehicle. Long term this will hurt the petrostates, as well as bring other good to the world.

    • LFO on 14/03/2022 - 14:08
      +3

      Buy an electric vehicle.

      The ones made in China? Including Tesla.

      • Tleyx on 15/03/2022 - 18:08
        +2

        All cars EV or ICE have Chinese parts so not sure what you are driving

        • LFO on 19/03/2022 - 12:43

          Public transport ;-p

  • star-ggg on 14/03/2022 - 13:35
    -2

    Boycott everything dependent on petroleum based products (unless you can guarantee it comes from an ESG approved country). Petrol, air travel and any product that requires the use of plastic in the production and supply chain

    • rektrading on 14/03/2022 - 13:50
      +2

      unless you can guarantee it comes from an ESG approved country

      ESG is a scam shoved down investors' throats by Fink.

      • Dontdoit on 14/03/2022 - 17:27

        ITM

        • rektrading on 14/03/2022 - 17:33

          In the mood or In the mouth or both?

          • Dontdoit on 14/03/2022 - 21:54

            @rektrading: I thought based on your comment on esg and fink you may be a listner of the no agenda podcast.

            In the morning.

  • Vote for Pedro on 14/03/2022 - 13:55
    +4

    Meanwhile our OPEC allies are doing nothing but profiteering. So yeah. Screw politics.

  • LFO on 14/03/2022 - 14:06
    +5

    Just plan carefully your "boycott".

    Someone decided to boycott Russian oil and we end up paying more at the fuel pump. A lot more.

    We suffer, the boycotted one doesn't.

    Food for thought.

    • Gervais fanboy on 14/03/2022 - 14:08
      +3

      “The price you pay for FREEDOM”

      -Joe Biden

      • LFO on 14/03/2022 - 14:14
        +10

        Please exclude me.
        Thank you Joe.

  • pogichinoy on 14/03/2022 - 14:29
    +1

    Matryoshka dolls!

  • OzzyOzbourne on 14/03/2022 - 14:37
    +2

    Well I was after a windscreen wiper for my Lada and the store thought it was a fair swap so that's all my Russian junk gone 😂

    • pandadude on 14/03/2022 - 16:01
      +1

      You can still buy Lada on Car Sales. The government should sanction Car Sales.

    • BuyoTheCat on 14/03/2022 - 17:15

      New Ladas are almost Renaults. Same but different.

    • Vote for Pedro on 18/03/2022 - 17:51
      +1

      The Niva kicks ass

  • cashless on 14/03/2022 - 14:39
    +2

    Stop buying Sikorsky choppers to fly to the 7-11

    • Blargman2001 on 14/03/2022 - 16:43

      Sikorsky is American (and the founder was born in Kyiv)

      • rektrading on 14/03/2022 - 16:48
        +2

        Kiev 1721–1917 was Imperial Russia.

        • Blargman2001 on 14/03/2022 - 17:29

          That's what Putin is using to justify his war

  • nephilim on 14/03/2022 - 14:43

    Lets boycott Russia and China, 1990s was fantastic was 20% interest rates

  • Raj09 on 14/03/2022 - 15:42
    +24

    It's so hypocritical. The Saudis are running a 3 yr war on Yemen and not a single minute of coverage. Same war crimes and what boycott?

    Is it that the war in ukraine is a war washed in white people? Oh no spare the thought-😉)

    • MetaLaugher on 14/03/2022 - 16:27
      +5

      …The Yemen conflict is a civil war where the internationally recognised government invited the Saudis to lead the forces in supressing an internal rebellion with alleged support from other external nations. The war is brutal and a humanitarian catastrophe for the 30 million-something Yeminis, and you're right, coverage is lacking in English-speaking mainstream media.

      … Ukraine is a recognised sovereign nation that has been invaded by two other sovereign nations. This is a completely unambigous act of aggression from a foreign entity that hasn't been seen since the US invasion of Iraq. Ukraine with its population of 140 million has the potential to become the biggest refugee crises in the last 80 years, on top of the loss of life being incurred through hostilities.

      There's no question there that there is a Eurocentric bias in current media, but part of the argument is that people are "compassion fatigued" from conflicts in the Middle East. In the free market that OzBargain loves so much, the media will direct their resources to what drives viewership. Another factor is that the majority European-descent demographic makeup of Australia, United States, New Zealand etc means that a potential pan-european conflict and associated news is much more relevant to a larger chunk of the population than the more self-contained Yemeni conflict. So… like yeah, no-duh, of course media is going to dedicate their resources towards it. You want to read more about it? Go to Al Jazeera, Reuters, Associated Press and SBS. All good news outlets that very frequently report on the Yemini Conflict. In the era of syndicated online media your inability to find these is your own fault.

      tl;dr: comparing the two conflicts is either the result of being disingenuous or uninformed. The two aren't synonymous.

      • popsiee on 14/03/2022 - 16:53
        +7

        My simple summary is the Yemen conflict has no chance of leading to WW3 , hence is on the back burner and no western interest .
        The other could .

      • Blitzfx on 14/03/2022 - 17:17
        +1

        All good news outlets that very frequently report on the Yemini Conflict

        So none in Australia?
        Also, majority of the problem is where to find credible information

        • MetaLaugher on 14/03/2022 - 22:33
          +1

          I mean I did say SBS. Most news outlets use Reuters and AP and you don't even know it most of the time. They're as credible as it gets.

          Finding credible news outlets is only hard to find if you aren't looking seriously.

      • Dontdoit on 14/03/2022 - 17:29
        +3

        Cool now do Ukraine 2014 where US senators where ther supporting the toppling of the previous regime.

      • megaalc on 14/03/2022 - 21:26

        "invaded by two other sovereign nations" and "Ukraine with its population of 140 million" - I wonder where are you getting those numbers from?

        • MetaLaugher on 14/03/2022 - 22:30
          +1

          Yeah bugger, the second one is a typo. The first one refers to Belarus' involvement in the conflict.

      • Raj09 on 15/03/2022 - 01:06
        +4

        Nah. I get your point but you are arguing in rhetoric. The conflict in ukraine was orchestrated or provoked by the west. The donbas conflict in 2014 was triggered by liberal rebels but also fuelled by some far right elements. And guess who financed these rebels?

        Putin is not blameless but the western govts are not saintly. They have provoked and stoked the elements there. The media coverage will not show the two sides.

        And yes I agree that the media will focus on what the audience will identify with. They have seen so many African conflicts but rarely white Easter European ppl in conflicts.

        Saying though that the govt invited the Saudis fight the houtis rebels is not the true picture. The Saudis would never allow an Iran backed govt in Yemen. Besides who sold the arms to the Saudis? Let's not delude ourselves

        The United States sold those arms and it is in their economic interests to let that war go on.

      • Vote for Pedro on 18/03/2022 - 17:52

        Oh, so basically what the west did in Libya?

  • idonotknowwhy on 14/03/2022 - 16:22
    +1

    Library Genesis

    • downbythecreek on 15/03/2022 - 09:17
      +1

      I'm going to stop paying for library genesis right now.

  • mducpham on 14/03/2022 - 17:23
    +19

    I dont get why OP now wants boycot Russian goods and services, did you boycott USA when they invaded Iraq in 2003 based on a lie "They had WMD"?

    • striker5950 on 14/03/2022 - 18:56
      +11

      based on CNN rationale: (and the average american)

      "This isn't a place, with all due respect, you know, like Iraq or Afghanistan that has seen conflict raging for decades," said CBS News foreign correspondent Charlie D'Agata, referring to Ukraine. "You know, this is a relatively civilized, relatively European… city. unlike Middle Eastern refugees, Ukrainian victims were "white," "Christian," "middle class," "blonde" and "blue eyed."

      https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/04/media/mideast-summary-04-…

      • FlyingMiffy on 14/03/2022 - 20:06
        +6

        I can't even believe they wrote that… I mean where do you even begin?

        • Kangal on 15/03/2022 - 02:02
          +3

          He's not wrong.
          I haven't read the article, but there is a definite bias for people to prefer and care about things and people which are culturally similar or aesthetically familiar to them. Or at least peoples we have come into contact with more often.

          Australians, being one of the factions of The West, are far more concerned about what would happen in, let's say, in Spain, than they would be about what happens in Algeria. Even though they're next to each other, with a sea separating them, as close as 300km (Oran-Cartagena) or as far apart as 3000km (Bilbao-Tazrouk).

          We have a similar psychological temperament, where humans want to focus on animal conservation but only on animals that we subjectively think are cute/beautiful looking. Especially true when you look at the funding and marketing.

          • MassEffect on 16/03/2022 - 11:57
            +6

            @Kangal: You just described, in a politically correct way, racism.

          • Carmen Sandiego on 17/03/2022 - 11:48
            +2

            @Kangal: Exactly.

            It's this reasoning that explains why S.Korea was the one who helped Vietnam first and blew the whistle on the horrific impacts of Agent Orange+ (side note - the War Remnants Museum in Ho Chi Minh is amazing, and if you can stomach the top floor, major kudos to you. It doesn't hold back)

            The largest reason why Australia cares and shows stuff about Korea is because it's close enough to it. Otherwise, Australia honestly wouldn't care about most of Asia.

      • Raj09 on 15/03/2022 - 01:07
        +3

        Yes and it's the reality of that conflict. The stuff is making the news because it's white ppl getting killed. Sorry to say

    • DarwinBoy on 14/03/2022 - 20:13
      +1

      They got rid of a dictator, I'm not to fussed about the reason.
      Pity we still have more around causing trouble still.

      • striker5950 on 15/03/2022 - 10:15
        +6

        shows how little you know about iraq. they killed millions in the process, oh well?
        as bad as saddam was he kept shit in check, look at the mess USA left in iraq. factions fighting for control.

        • qvinto on 15/03/2022 - 19:51
          +1

          "they killed millions"? If you mean the allies killed millions in Iraq than it seems you are the one who knows nothing about the conflict in Iraq

          • striker5950 on 16/03/2022 - 12:28
            +3

            @qvinto: allies? you means the accessory to murder? do you mean the USA d!ck riders including Australia who send troops to invade Iraq? (imagine Australia sending troops to help Putin invade Ukraine)

            and yes a new analysis of the total fatalities in the Iraq war during the presidency of George W. Bush is between 800,000 and 1.3 million

        • DarwinBoy on 15/03/2022 - 23:54
          +1

          I'm not saying it's a paradise these days. There are a lot of different elements at play. Hopefully it will all come together to a status quo that is relatively peaceful.
          But under Saddam life was harsh for many people and that would of guaranteed to have continued if he had been left in charge.
          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Saddam_Husse…

          • striker5950 on 16/03/2022 - 12:32
            +4

            @DarwinBoy: I've spoken to a few iraqi's at university and at work, they all have said that life was very hard under saddam but they prefer it to the situation now that US caused.

  • somebody123 on 14/03/2022 - 17:39
    +5

    It feels like everyone is trying to join the hype to poke a Russian bear. facepalm

  • striker5950 on 14/03/2022 - 18:31
    +27

    please let me know of any Russian products that are sold in Australia so I can buy some, just out of principle and as a 'F you' to the hypocrites that run the USA government

    • Killerbala on 15/03/2022 - 00:44
      +5

      I’m up for this one too

    • FW190 on 15/03/2022 - 08:11
      +2

      start by buying up all the vodka at your local bottle shops? (although last time I checked, a lot of them ain't even made in Russia anymore)

      https://vkb-sim.com.au/ - Russian company, made in China, best of both worlds for some people I guess?

      https://virpil-controls.eu/ - not sold/based in AU, but made in Belarus, just to have Putin's ally covered as well (although their logo might land them in the bad books of Lukashenko)

      https://il2sturmovik.com/ - support a Russian flight-sim dev

      on the flip side, anyone knows what Ukrainian products are readily available in AU?

      from my personal observation anyway, Eastern European products doesn't seem that popular here in AU, or maybe I just dunno where to look.

    • heartychat on 15/03/2022 - 11:39
      -2

      At a retail level, a starting point for you could be to look for Russian made/owned:

      • caviar
      • vodka
      • Matryoshka dolls
      • diamonds
      • computer games and programs

      Best of luck with the purchases. FW190 seems to have some specific products that could assist you.

      • heartychat on 17/03/2022 - 09:51
        -1

        Also there are some watch brands that you may want to investigate if you’re looking buy a piece. If the transaction goes through and delivery is made in Russian Rubles at the direct websites’ catalogue price, it could be a great deal for you.

    • VBO on 15/03/2022 - 21:32

      sign me up

    • BLN39 on 17/03/2022 - 09:26
      +1

      Burn your house then. All the timber which is coming from China is actually Russian timber.

  • FlyingMiffy on 14/03/2022 - 20:04
    +13

    Looks like I was late, where was the post about boycotting US products when they invaded Iraq, Afghanistan, Cuba… but that's not a popular comment is it? Before the righteous condemnation pops up, let me just point out that any lost of life is sad and the lost of life as a consequence of political power plays is even sadder for the everyday folk. Is it me or does penalizing more human beings for something that they didn't do, for the sake of lives that they didn't take has a sense of irony to it?

    • qvinto on 15/03/2022 - 20:18
      -1

      So we should do nothing at all to help the Ukrainians but just sit by and shrug? i wonder if you would feel the same way if some aggressor invaded Australia and the world did nothing because the US government did something less than ideal some time in the past.

      • FlyingMiffy on 15/03/2022 - 20:20
        -1

        I don't know, might need to ask those Iraqis, Syrians, Palestinians, Cubans for their experience!

        • qvinto on 15/03/2022 - 20:24
          +1

          How does that even answer my question? you realise how much money and effort the west put into rebuilding Iraq? or that it was the Russians who helped prop up Assad who is the cause of the war and suffering in Syria? or that the Cubans are ruled by a dictator for life? anyway i think there is no point continuing this moronic conversation

      • RecklessMonkeys on 16/03/2022 - 13:09
        +6

        Your government is already sending resources to Ukraine.

        It's always civilians that cop it during war and ensuing chaos.

        I think he has a point. What good does sending a Russian vodka business broke do? Millions of people marched in no-war protests prior to Iraq, and the arseholes still did it.

        We need de-escalation, so going on about "The Russians" when the average Russian has about as much control over the situation as we do is counter productive.

        The end of this war has to be a diplomatic one. I understand the feeling of needing to 'do something', but you better hope they do the right something.

        • qvinto on 16/03/2022 - 13:24
          -1

          The whole point is to put economic pressure on Russia to force a change. If the people start feeling the negative impact of their government actions they may demand a change. Despite the corruption in Russia the government still effectively represents the people so they have some responsibility for actions done in their name as well. If you impose no economic pressure then why would the Kremlin change it's behaviour?
          It is unfortunate that innocent people suffer economically but the only alternative is military action and that is a worse alternative. There are innocent people being killed in Ukraine by the Russian government which is much more severe than some Russian Vodka business going broke. If you have an alternative to sanctions or military action then let's hear it

          • RecklessMonkeys on 16/03/2022 - 13:25

            @qvinto:

            If you have an alternative to sanctions or military action then let's hear it

            I'm not the government. They are already doing this.

            • qvinto on 16/03/2022 - 13:28

              @RecklessMonkeys: What? who does what? did you even read what wrote. not wasting any more of my time on this stupid discussions

              • RecklessMonkeys on 16/03/2022 - 13:40
                +2

                @qvinto: The Australian government already sanctions those that it holds responsible.

                Your asking me to solve a complex international conflict? What we as individuals do will make bugger all difference compared to the comprehensive sanctions that governments impose.

                It's more likely that we just stir up unthinking hatred of 'Russians' by boycotting everything Russian. Surely that's the opposite of what we hope to achieve?

          • BLN39 on 17/03/2022 - 09:28
            -1

            @qvinto: Well, this is also hypocrisy.
            We always say that no one should interfere into internal affairs.

          • sal78 on 19/03/2022 - 10:14

            @qvinto: It won't make any difference. You are better off donating to charities to help Ukrainians or donating to them when they arrive in Australia which has already started.

  • BartholemewH on 14/03/2022 - 20:08

    Russian caviar.

    • heartychat on 14/03/2022 - 22:17
      -1

      Thank you. I forgot all about that. I’ll keep that in mind at my daughter’s birthday and Christmas time. It’s about the only time of year that we indulge in it, and it’s one of her favourite things.

  • skidexa on 14/03/2022 - 20:18

    what about isms?

  • ahly92 on 14/03/2022 - 20:41
    +1

    As an EPL/Arsenal fan, seeing the contrast between the club/FA response to this Ukraine Situation (which rightly they are doing) and the response they did to When Mesut Ozil critisized the Chinese gov for their treatment of Ughers is disgraceful (they distanced themselves, sanctioned him, he was leter sold without playing at all after the comments and the message was "football does not comment on political matters"

    no it's different somehow!

    • ahly92 on 14/03/2022 - 20:50
      +1

      This was there statement:
      "Regarding the comments made by Mesut Özil on social media, Arsenal must make a clear statement,” it read. “The content published is Özil’s personal opinion. As a football club, Arsenal has always adhered to the principle of not involving itself in politics.”

      nytimes.com/2020/10/26/sports/soccer/mesut-ozil-arsenal-china.html

      And last year, : 'Arsenal spoke to Mohamed Elneny over 'wider implications' of pro-Palestinian social media post amid sponsor concern.'

  • G K on 14/03/2022 - 21:37
    +6

    If you have to ask what to boycott, then it probably means that there is nothing that could cause significant impact.

    Russia produces 10% of global oil, yet oil price has increased from $1.50 to $2.4. Who do you think are benefiting from this whole thing?

    The puppets (Saudi - OPEC) and the puppet masters?

  • jv on 14/03/2022 - 23:05

    I've stopped drinking Black Russians at the local bar…

    • BLN39 on 17/03/2022 - 09:31
      +1

      Save Black Russians!

  • BuyoTheCat on 14/03/2022 - 23:07
    +4

    We should start preparing for boycott of Chinese products. The list of stuff to boycott is a lot longer.
    I will start with clothes. I am going to go nekkid.

    • smartazz104 on 15/03/2022 - 17:41
      +3

      Good, we could all use a laugh.

  • mitt on 15/03/2022 - 01:04
    +1

    Meaningless gesture until the EU & particularly Germany stops buying Russian gas.

    But they cant, because they killed their nuclear early & lied to themselves about wind & solar picking up the slack.

    Which means they would have to actually face shortages if they genuinely implemented sanctions.

    Which means sanctions will remain piecemeal & largely hollow gestures.

    China will keep providing them with financial access & the EU will keep buying oil & gas.

  • MrBillions on 15/03/2022 - 05:53
    -1

    I'm boycotting Russian brides ! Niet!

  • JungliChilli on 15/03/2022 - 06:20
    +1

    Chelsea FC.

  • xiaoli on 15/03/2022 - 08:15
    +7

    Here are the facts:

    • Ukrainian society and government had been infiltrate by nationalist forces that worship nazism.

    • Asian, African, Indian people trying to flee the conflict in Ukraine had been discriminated against and mistreated / bullied. While Ukrainian refugees are welcomed with open arms, since they look like other Europeans.

    • The majority of the world are NOT denouncing or sanctioning Putin. That includes China, India, Brazil, South Africa, and much of Africa, while the Middle Eastern countries are exploiting this crisis for their own gain. Even Europe are still buying Russian energy.

    • The hatred shown towards Russian people demonstrates that for the West, the Soviet Union has never left. They will never accept the Russian people as a friend.

    • The widespread censorship online, and the "temporary" allowance of hate speech against the "right group" shatters the illusion of any moral authority the West has left.

    And that is on top of the obvious hypocrisy of the West and NATO imposing their will on countless countries around the world by force, yet facing no sanctions at all.

    Thus, I will never boycott Russian goods. I am not a tool for some senile old men in Washington or the crazy ideologues in Brussels.

    • mirovich on 15/03/2022 - 08:30
      +2

      This. Very well said.

    • Cluster on 15/03/2022 - 09:11
      +9

      Ukrainian society and government worships Nazism? You're going to have to provide a citation for that. Show evidence, because the claim is extraordinary.

      How refugees who look different to what an 'average' Ukrainian looks like were treated by the countries they fled to is hardly the fault of Ukraine. Direct your inquiries to Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Moldova, Romania, etc.

      Right after the invasion there was a vote in the UN. Only four countries supported the invasion: Russia, Belarus, North Korea, and Eritrea. All others either opposed or abstained from voting. That's meant to show support for what Russia is doing in Ukraine?

      Many people were hopeful Russia would join the international community in the 1990s after the Cold War finished, and for a while it was looking okay despite severe economic problems in Russia and an alcoholic buffoon for a president. There were major moments of cooperation, like the International Space Station.
      Then Putin showed up, and things have been going down hill for over a decade. Is it really the West's fault?

      What a few private companies do (Facebook, Twitter, etc) should by no means indicate what everyone in the West thinks about Russia and the Russian people. While I am completely opposed to Putin's war in Ukraine (it's a war, not a 'special operation'), I don't have ill will towards Russian people in general.

        • Cluster on 15/03/2022 - 09:35
          +6

          "This coalition won a combined 2.15% of the nationwide electoral list vote"

          2.15% support from Ukrainians. Clearly the society and government "worships" Nazism. You're likely to find 1 in 50 people anywhere, including Australia, have far right ideology.

          10k to 15k members, in a country of approximately 44 million people.

          • mirovich on 15/03/2022 - 09:41

            @Cluster: Mate, this is just an example. Do your own research and stop watching TV.

            Also, look how they are treating African and Indian students at the border.

            • Cluster on 15/03/2022 - 09:46
              +5

              @mirovich: "Mate, this is just an example."

              It was your example, not mine.

              "Do your own research and stop watching TV."

              The onus is on you to provide citations that support your position, not for me to go and seek them out.

              And I don't watch TV.

              • mirovich on 15/03/2022 - 09:51
                +2

                @Cluster: And your position is that Ukraine is innocent and racism doesn’t exist. All rainbows and sunshine in a white nation.

            • smartazz104 on 15/03/2022 - 17:42
              +6

              @mirovich:

              Do your own research

              Oh no…

          • xiaoli on 15/03/2022 - 10:47
            +3

            @Cluster: Do you want a dedicated unit of neo Nazis in the Australian Army? Thats what Ukraine has.

            • smartazz104 on 15/03/2022 - 17:42
              +1

              @xiaoli: It's bad enough when you have soldiers killing innocents freely…

      • xiaoli on 15/03/2022 - 10:44
        +7

        Here are just a few of the many reports regarding the far right in Ukraine:

        Ukraine's far right problem is well known by everyone.

        BTW Sanctions are designed to target the civilian population of a nation. You might not hold ill will towards Russians, but our governments do. They are sanctioning them just like they starved Iran, Afghanistan, Cuba. Because how dare they support their leaders who they West does not approve of. Those morons still haven't learnt that their sanctions have never worked, and now they want to try it with a super power too big to sanction, they are hurting civilians around the globe.

        • Peon on 15/03/2022 - 22:58
          +2

          Killing of civilians by Russia (or any other country) is far worse than sanctions targeting civilians.

        • hayne on 16/03/2022 - 02:23
          +1

          @xiaoli. Right. So even if your premise is correct and there is a problem with the far right in the Ukraine, how does that justify Russia invading a sovereign nation, deposing a democratically elected government (whose President is of Jewish descent) and shelling civilian targets?

          I don't really have the time to delve deeply into your sources but the third article you listed about the rise of the far right in the Ukraine is written by Lev Golinkin. Here's an excerpt from an interview with Golinkin:

          "Golinkin says Russian bombing of the sacred Jewish site of Babi Yar disproves Putin’s claims that the invasion is about “denazification,” and attacks on cities in eastern Ukraine show he does not care about Russian-speaking Ukrainians either. He also speaks about the neo-Nazi presence within his home country, saying, “Ukraine’s far right is the primary benefactor on the Ukraine side of this war because they now get to attract people from all over the world, and they get to be seen as on the frontlines of fighting for white civilization.” He adds the presence of neo-Nazis in Ukraine “does not give Russia any reason, any justification, to invade an inch of Ukrainian territory.”"

          https://www.democracynow.org/2022/3/4/far_right_ukraine_holo…

          • xiaoli on 16/03/2022 - 11:15
            -1

            @hayne: i am not justifying the invasion, thats a strategic decision made by the russian government.

            but i m not gonna be standing on the side of a corrupt country like ukraine either.

            • hayne on 19/03/2022 - 09:52

              @xiaoli: @xiaoli: problem is you’re standing on the side of a corrupt government in Russia.

              So why are you so in favour of corruption in one form and why have you resorted to parroting Russian talking points?

          • RecklessMonkeys on 16/03/2022 - 14:23
            +1

            @hayne: I just did a bit of reading about the history of Babi Yar. It's pretty sobering.

            However when you read that they built the Kyiv TV Tower on top of the same site (and that was the actual target) , then this argument doesn't seem very credible. Especially when the actually memorial seems undamaged.

            I think this makes it clear that the air is thick with propaganda. It's hard to know exactly what is actually going on.

            • tonyjzx on 16/03/2022 - 17:17
              +1

              @RecklessMonkeys: i think at the end of the day, if you're doing the invading, you're in the wrong

              I find it funny how the Wagner group, which is full on nazi is used to invade Ukraine in their effort to 'denazify'

              i think any normal thinking person will accept that invading another country because there's supposed nazis in their ranks it not acceptable

              there's nazi elements in the German army… why arent the Russians invading Germany? oh right… they're customers

              • RecklessMonkeys on 17/03/2022 - 13:15

                @tonyjzx:

                i think at the end of the day, if you're doing the invading, you're in the wrong

                You mean like how the Allies invaded Nazi Germany?
                So it’s not as simple as we’d like it to be.

                Regarding Wagner – I hadn’t heard of them. If that’s the case then hopefully all the Nazi’s are sent to fight each other. :)

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