Saw this was out of stock last week, but looks like it is back in stock now. Possible pricing error as it currently costs the same as the RTX 3060 version.
Seems like a great deal, same price as the 3050ti version at JBHIFI via a quick look.
Delivery available in Sydney (Pyrmont) but your milage may vary.
Grabbed the wrong link, should be good now
Yeah might have fixed it. Specs and about says 3060 my guy
The link says 3060 not 3070 though.
Wrong link, try now
Yep it is good. Pricing error will be bombed by us.
Dell G7 has been on sale for <$2k about 10 times in the last 18 months
G7 is not decent
For the price, it absolutely is
Ordered! We'll find out if they honour it soon! =)
Got one! Let's see what happens 😂 thanks OP!!!
Wonder the GPU wattage
85w GPU I believe. Also its only a 4 core i7 CPU too
2070 super Max-Q performs better than it
Thanks &. Just like clock work, officeworks will surely be sending out their price error emails within a couple of days, and will give refunds after a week.
Ooooof. That's not significantly better than my 5 year old laptop with a 110w 1070, from what I see it's around 5%.
NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 3070 Laptop GPU,With ROG Boost up to 1390MHz at 80W (85W with Dynamic Boost),8GB GDDR6
Dynamic Boost = using your battery to draw extra power even when plugged-in withh a charger - do not expect the battery to have a long lifetime.
That's not how it works. Dynamic boost works by taking the extra watts from the CPU if there is the power/thermal headroom, not from the battery.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/15692/nvidia-details-dynamic-…
Also this laptop comes with a massive 200w power adapter, so you're not going to have any trouble with the components leeching power from the battery when plugged in.
https://www.theverge.com/22276367/asus-tuf-dash-f15-2021-int…
@studentl0an: I had a Asus ROG laptop with an i7-7700HQ and GTX 1070 and despite having a 240W power adapter, it would slowly drain the battery during gaming session.
@FireRunner: My current laptop has the same specs - 7700hq and 1070 (Asus GL702VS).
It came with a 180w power adapter and drew less watts than that when it's fully stress tested, so it can run 100% GPU/CPU and still charge the battery.
With an undervolt of 0.120v on CPU and a custom frequency curve for the 1070 (1800mhz at 110w) it runs faster than the desktop 1070 (laptop 1070 has more cuda cores so clock for clock is better than desktop, pretty sure it's the only laptop chip better than desktop) and it still doesn't come close to the 180w power draw the supply can provide.
I think something may be wrong with your laptop or your powersupply if 240w can't keep up with a 45w 7700hq and a 110w 1070 with a 10w LCD panel and 10w for everything else.
@studentl0an: Possibly, it ran well despite it slowly eating into the battery.
I sold the laptop a while back so I guess I'll never know
@studentl0an: What did you use to overclock your laptop GPU? Like, how to actually make ot draw power from the charger and not from my battery?
Holy shit great spotting OP, ordered and waiting this is a $3,300aud machine ordinarily
Buyer beware - Read reviews on these models before purchase. Most people will entirely displeased and unsatisfied if buying thinking they are getting something with anywhere near the performance of a 3070.
Yeah it's an 85W Max Q.
Do people buying laptops really expect desktop level performance?
No, but when 3060 (laptop) models, last years 2060 (laptop) models, 2070 (laptop) models etc out perform this 3070 (laptop) model, questions really need to be asked about whether when buying it you should be buying expecting 3070 (laptop) level performance.
For a long time that view would have been correct - the laptop equivalents were significantly underpowered. We've just had like 2 generations though where the desktop and laptop equivalents were actually pretty comparable in power, but Nvidia significantly backtracked on this for the RTX 30 series and now the 30 series cards sometimes don't even match the older generation cards, let alone match up with desktop RTX 30 series.
So yes, it would be reasonable for people to expect desktop performance given what we've seen previously.
I don’t buy gaming laptops but honestly I would expect a desktop grade RTX 3070 performance.
It is misleading for them to advertise as the same model as a desktop GPU, probably with the whole purpose to deceive the consumer…
Can’t they just name it RTX 3070M or something? No, that wouldn’t catch the naive consumer off-guard.
They even had the MaxQ and MaxP designation for this too, which they omitted in this model to catch consumers unaware.
Going by what you are saying (Desktop vs Laptop) they should go the same for CPU's too. They are clearly not equivilant at this stage. Far too many themal and packaging considerations to take into account as well as power limitations to get anywhere near desktop level of performance.
Generally when buying a laptop, you are aware its not desktop level performance, but this particular model is misleading in a way its not even close to the "laptop performance" its advertising. Technically has those parts - but they are omitting the fact they are using the lowest power variant of the 3070 that exists and are pairing it with a 4 core i7 CPU and it underperforms horribly.
They really should be forced to use a different naming scheme for mobile vs desktop. They aren’t even just a lower clocked version of the same chip any more.
Second and more importantly, this laptop only has about 80% of the gaming performance of the full-fat laptops with 3070s (85w vs 125-140w variants as mentioned by others).
Still, hard to see why this would be a price error - it’s consistently very unpopular with reviewers, only quad core, 16gb ram and 512 ssd.
Compare this to the recent lenovo deal for $2400ish with a full-speed 3070, 16” 16:10 1600p screen, 8-core 5800H, 32gb ram and 1tb ssd, and the asus here looks like overpriced junk.
What was the name of that Lenovo?
How do you tell a full speed 3070 vs a restricted 3070? Not that tech savvy so genuine question.
@Turbonetics: Manufacturer specs should list the wattage, but try to find some reviews before you buy. Lots of good laptop reviews on youtube. Generally the “light and thin” laptops have the gimped version. But even some beefier laptops have the low power config. As an indicator, 3dmark time spy scores for 3070 low power will be 8-9k range, while full power will be in the 10-11k range.
I would because an average Joe like me would not think a laptop is slower than a desktop
I got burnt buying a i7 10510U thinking I was buying an I7 when it's not an i7
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-TUF-Dash-F15-Laptop-Amper…
I think I will wait… low colour gamut.
This laptop has serious CPU bottleneck and is the worst preforming 3070 in any laptop. Probably most 3060 laptops well outperform it. 4 cores have no place in modern gaming laptops
Yeah, it's actually a dirty trick by Asus - put 11th gen i7 and an RTX3070 and it sounds like a beast until you look a bit closer at the specs
Don’t worry about bottlenecks, you will be limited by non-stop thermal-throttling in this “slim” laptop…
I mean youre not wrong but in many cases yes even the CPU holds this back more than heat thats just how bad it is
Just a warning, this is a quad-core cpu, a terrible match with a 3070, performance will tank compared to similar notebooks with similar GPU TDP (85w, I believe).
it's a quad-core with hyper threading so has 8 threads and this i7 has a stupidly high single core score meaning you get a lot of performance with each core
While single core usage will certainly benefit from this, any application/games that can leverage more cores will get bottlenecked by this cpu.
85 watts RTX3070 not as good as other brands 3060
Bought.
you know what's funny? the rtx 3060 laptop variant beats this lmao. it's insane how nvidia has removed the "m" and "max-q" series branding for ampere laptops and has "hidden" power targets from customers.
They cut a lot of corners on this model. The screens are usually really bad quality with terrible light bleed and clouding. As others have stated the GPU is an underpowered version and thermal performance I’m guessing will be poor too. It’s just not worth it.
Good post and price error if true… but as others have pointed out with regards to performance and quality, it is "only" a $500 price error as can be had for $2500 at Bing Lee https://www.binglee.com.au/asus-fx516pr-hn033t-tuf-dash-f15-…
Not diminishing the $500 saving if you really need a laptop now, however if you were on the fence like me, I don't think this is grossly under-priced even at this price error. I can imagine it going on sale for this price later in its lifetime.
edit: genuinely interested in neg vote counter opinion? Perhaps I should have clarified, personally I was close to impulse price error purchase, but after a bit more research held off.
Overall really good deal for a 3070.
Although a bit perplexed as to why 11th generation core i7 chips are only a quad core in this day and age.
I thought that was reserved for the i5's
Intel fabrication process failed in a horrible way. Probably their next gen chips should be better.
Agree. I mean it’s not substantially better than an i7-10750H. So weird.
Is it even better than i7-10750H? Maybe in single core applications but the 6 core i7-10750H is definitely better than the quad core i7-11370H
10750H is a far better CPU this is not the true 11th gen. 11th gen was just released 2 days ago with the 11800H which are 8 cores as they should be. This is a weird in between 35W CPU
Hmmmm. Review here.
https://www.theverge.com/22276367/asus-tuf-dash-f15-2021-int…
91% sRGB In case anyone else was searching for that info.
That keyboard is u g l y.
but does the keyboard have an alibi?
Thanks, a lot of the TUF range seem to be equipped with really poor quality screens.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-TUF-Dash-F15-Laptop-Amper…
"Asus TUF Dash F15 Laptop: Ampere with one foot on the brake
Not much faster than Turing. Asus put the slowest currently available GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU into its brand-new TUF Dash F15. "
And a quad core when an AMD 4800H which can be found in lower spec'd machines gets you 8??
Hard pass.
you guys are ignoring the stupidly high single core score of this new i7
Literally nothing that leverages a decent gpu (the whole reason for buying this type of machine) will be single-threaded though. Moot point.
Exaclty… Many games are being held back by this CPU already and its only going to be getting worse in years to come.
How many mh/s pls?
Also, this is one of those bad panel btw
Found this while trying to compare prices…
https://www.bunnings.com.au/asus-fa506ii-15-6-fhd-laptop-r7-…
Bunnings sells laptops now?
bunnings marketlink is like catch, kogan
Is a piece of hardware mate LOL!!
Honestly I think this will perform pretty similarly and it has a much much nicer keyboard.
115W 2060 with a 6C i7-10750H and 144Hz 100% sRGB. Seems pretty solid.
I think 115w 2060 may actually perform better than 85w 3070, especially if it's a gaming test and the 6c vs 4c comes into play. I'd be interested to see a side by side gaming comparison (calling on Jarrod's Tech to investigate).
That's a really good deal. If I was in the market for a gaming laptop I think it's hard to beat.
Something to note with the Asus is that it is 20% lighter and has better battery life
@Joshminey: If it was me I'd rather use the $400 saving on a 2nd hand Surface Pro 4+ on facebook marketplace that is flooded with them.
EDIT: To the downvoter did I offend your purchase of a 2k gaming laptop with only a 4core processor and a GPU on par with a mobile 2060? It's OK I understand wanting to shoot the messenger too if I parted with $2k for this. Enjoy your terrible price to performance laptop :)
use the $400 saving on a 2nd hand Surface Pro 4+ on facebook marketplace that is flooded with the
Not the one who downvoted you but maybe there is a big reason the marketplace is flooded with those Surfaces that we should be avoiding?
@Blue Cat: They are very popular especially in business and government and after a few years of salary sacrifice and claiming depreciation they do it again with a brand new Surface.
So yes, as I appreciate value and performance I would much rather spend $2k on the better cheaper gaming laptop and a Surface than spend $2k on this 4 core, 85w GPU gaming laptop that performs worse than the cheaper one and this Asus has a worse screen also.
@studentl0an: Thanks, that is interesting to know. Got myself looking at Surfaces on the marketplace now lol
@Blue Cat: If you can wait ~6 more weeks, around the start of the new financial year tends to be when there's lot of movement in that space and it becomes even more of a buyers market.
max-q = no go
Failed nvidia silicon plus failed intel silicon (i7-10750h 10th Gen better chip)
Plus poor cooling
Bargain fail
Better to go for a $24XX legion 3070 or $1600 legion 2060 and tweak it
We're going to party like its 1997! … Plug in my BNC cable!
Says unavailable online and no stock near me, oh well :/
Hold your horses. Should be some good Ryzen 5000 options available soon
10nm, 4c/8t intel cpu
This wont age well.
I would strongly recommend avoiding gaming laptops with these quad-core Tiger Lake-H35 11th-gen Core i5 and Core i7 CPUs when paired with "high end" GPUs. Specifically, these CPUs are the Core i5-11300H, the Core i7-11370H, and Core i7-11375H.
In comparison to the recently announced Tiger Lake-H 45W+ Core i5 and Core i7 CPUs, TGL-H35 CPUs more like what you would expect from an equivalent Core i3 in the TGL-H range, if such a thing existed. TGL-H35 CPUs are only configured with 4 cores as they use the same silicon as the low power chips. The main advantage they have is that the integrated GPU comes with 96 execution units compared to 32 on TGL-H - but in a gaming laptop, you'll be using a discrete GPU anyway that's several times faster regardless.
I find the whole exercise a bit insulting, and more than a bit misleading to the customer. Rather than label these chips as Core i3 CPUs (which they for all intents and purposes should be considered as, regardless of what Intel would like you to believe), Intel created a "new" 35W segment in their stack and branded them as Core i5s and Core i7s. We're now in a situation where a Core i5-11300H (TGL-H35) is slower than a Core i5-11260H (TGL-H). The 11260H has 6C (+50% vs the 11300H), the same 4.4 GHz peak turbo clock, a 200 MHz higher 4C turbo clock, and 4MB more L3 cache.
Basically, just be very careful when considering what you're getting with laptops that include a TGL-H35 processor. Not only are they going to be significantly slower than a TGL-H chip (to the point of bottlenecking high-end mobile GPUs), but they'll often be placed into thin-and-light systems like this one which can also feature graphics cards that look like high-end chips, but have heavily restricted power limits which often cause them to perform worse than a high power version of a lower tier chip. These sorts of CPUs would be fine paired with GTX 1660-class GPUs and in cheaper systems, but not something that's meant to be a premium, high-performance laptop.
Very good summary. Also worth noting that the H35 chips only have 4x PCIe (albeit 4.0) lanes to the GPU.
Great post.
So return this? and go for a legion 5 instead with 2060? any help will be appreciated
Everyone swooping in should read this post
thats Intel for you…
Great post. So how does this sit agains the Ryzen 4XXX and the newer 5XXX?
I hope you're prepared for some word spaghetti.
It's hard to make sweeping comments once you start getting into specifics with laptops due to how many different configurations there are and how many factors can influence performance (single vs dual channel memory, DDR4 vs LPDDR4X, Optimus/switchable graphics enabled vs disabled/mux switched, power targets for CPU vs GPU, different performance profiles, different boost states, etc.).
I will try my best to compare, but I will set out a disclaimer: please try to source detailed reviews of a given laptop you're looking at purchasing. General recommendations are all well and good (i.e., 115W RTX 3060 Laptop is faster than 85W RTX 3070 Laptop), but there will almost always be situations where that guidance is false (i.e., 115W RTX 3060 Laptop paired with insufficient cooling, compared to 85W RTX 3070 Laptop paired with adequate cooling).
The video in the first link of my comment has a few useful comparisons in regards to your question. In primarily GPU-limited games, the i7-11370H is comparable to the last gen i7-10870H, an 8-core Comet Lake-H CPU, when paired with the same low-power RTX 3070 Laptop variant. In more CPU-limited games, the i7-11370H can be anywhere from 15% to over 30% slower. On average, Hardware Unboxed found the i7-11370H to be 17% slower on average. The best case was equivalent performance in Dirt 5 and AC Valhalla, but the worst case was 35%-42% less performance in games like Resident Evil 2, Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Rainbow Six Siege, and Hitman 3. Depending on just how bad a light you want to paint TGL-H35 in, that could be construed as the last-gen Comet Lake-H CPU being over 50% faster in several titles.
Comparing across to Ryzen 4000 and Ryzen 5000 is trickier. Ryzen 4000-equipped laptops will be undeniably faster for multi-threaded apps and games when looking at the CPU alone, where Tiger Lake-H35 will take a lead in single-thread bound workloads. However, there aren't many Ryzen 4000 laptops equipped with high-end GPUs - most configurations top out at an RTX 2060 or thereabouts.
This goes back to the first paragraph; in GPU-limited games, an 85W RTX 3070 Laptop can be faster (sometimes significantly) than a Ryzen 4000 laptop configured with a high power GTX 1660 Ti or RTX 2060. However, in games that place a heavy load on the CPU, a Ryzen 7 4800H and GTX 1660 Ti laptop could be faster in certain games than a TGL-H35 Core i7 paired with a low power RTX 3070 Laptop. The question there is, does that make TGL-H35 suited for premium laptops with high end GPUs? My take is no, given a Ryzen 4000 and GTX 16 series laptop is likely going to be significantly cheaper.
The comparison to Ryzen 5000 is a little easier. Ryzen 5000 chips are generally on-par with Tiger Lake for single-thread loads. For GPU-limited games, you can mostly ignore the CPU. A high power RTX 3060 Laptop is already known to be faster than a low power RTX 3070 Laptop. If you can get a Ryzen 5000-based laptop with a high power RTX 3060 for similar or less, I'd go that way. For CPU-limited games, there's no contest. A Ryzen 5000 chip will almost certainly be at least as fast, but probably faster than TGL-H35.
One final paragraph to close this out. I will say that anyone interested in a gaming laptop should probably hold out for reviews and availability of proper Tiger Lake-H systems. While I am not a fan of TGL-H35, I think it's going to be quite close between Ryzen 5000 and Tiger Lake-H. Time will tell, and that information is just around the corner. Each platform looks to be making different tradeoffs, so it's going to be interesting to see which platform wins out and in what market segments.
I heard gtx1080,rtx2070,rtx3070 were all the same performance gaming wise in Laptops.
That's a very general comment which isn't correct. Depends on the power limit assigned to each of the chips.
If we do an apples to apples comparison (i.e. all are limited to 100W), RTX 3070 will significantly outperform the 2070 and 1080.
Issue is, sometimes you'll have a 3070 restricted to 80/85W (like this ASUS Dash) which will perform worse than a 2070 that has 115W to work with.
er no. 1080 gives you timespy score of 5000 while 130w powered 3070 laptops gives around 10,000.
that is double the time spy score
R u referring to laptops, pc it is obvious but in laptop world from my research gtx1080 has more power than rtx3070 as rtx 3070 is restricted to wattage while gtx1080 has higher wattage in laptops
acer 17x with a gtx 1080 have time spy of 5 000 to 6000.
legion 5 pro with 3070 @ 130w have time spy of 10000 to 11000.
that is double of benchmark score.
Where are you getting that a 1080 gets a timespy score of 5000? From what I see it's 7-8000 which around the same to a bit more than this 3070@85w that gets 7500 (as a user wrote below).
Legend, cheers mate.
time spy score is around 7500.
This is a very very poor performing 3070 laptop
Wow that’s truly horrendous. I got the lenovo legion 5 pro recently (also 3070 gpu) and i get 11000 overall on time spy (11300 graphics and 10000 cpu score respectively)
SAYS RTX 3060?