TENDA NOVA MW3 3-Pack AC1200 Whole Home Mesh WiFi System Upto 300m2 $89 Delivered
CamelCamelCamel.
These work really well, i bought 2x double packs (missed the triple deal) and cover my house from one end to the other with very strong wifi.
Still has the WPA/WPA2 TKIP gaping security flaw.
Do not buy.
What does that mean?
I’d also like to know.
It means that your wifi security broadcasts in an easily hacked security algorithm (TKIP). This means that anyone with 10 minutes spare and the desire can access your wireless network.
The WiFi connection is encrypted (“secured”) with a weak algorithm TKIP which is no longer used as it’s easily cracked with free software you can get on the internet. It’s generally unsafe to use as people could gain access to your network and therefore your personal information.
I thought Ausmechkeyboards found a fix for it? https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/586544#comment-9715402
Doesn't work. See @ausmechkeybaords response below.
Set it to AES only?
shouldnt be using TKIP ever.
Also for $30 apiece for a 10/100 AP then expect the chinese to be lax on security.
You can't… That's precisely the problem
I took a peek a few weeks ago after unsuccessfully being to tease something out of the OS (managed to find the telnet password: IIRC it’s a base64 of your wifi pass) and realised that you can fix the TKIP thing by toggling the “fast roaming” option.
What was happening was that having it off implied you were supporting WPA1 devices and TKIP had to be on for legacy purposes. If you turn it on, then it kills support for WPA1 and makes it WPA2/AES-only. Try toggle it on and off and you’ll see the issue go away.
It’s shitty, undocumented behaviour and code from the Tenda devs but hey.
But there is a kicker: it seems to randomly go back to TKIP even when fast roaming is enabled. Which suggests that the automatic power cycles it does under “maintenance schedule” seem to be resetting it. I don’t know how much I care to keep digging back into it, but perhaps Tenda support may be able to address it now that they can replicate it if someone wants to email them.
Can you just disable the automatic reboot?
Is this security flaw on all Tenda products or just the MW3? I just ordered https://www.pcbyte.com.au/store/product/tenda-ac19-ac2100-du… and wondering if I should cancel it.
Don't know why you were negged. It's unsecure.
Not sure why scubacoles is getting negged.
These things are not secure and the fix does not work.
Your home network’s security is not something you should cheap out on.
Typically I agree, but I don't think many people with the know how are driving around the streets in suburbia trying to find hackable wifi networks and then spending the time to find out what they can get from the network.
If I was just average Joe, bigger concerns would be things like weak passwords on emails, lack of 2FA, using the same password everywhere etc.
In my opinion this is a pretty low risk security risk.
Don't they have AES? Isn't that what we should be using?
No they don't, not with the current firmware anyway
Nekminute, you've been hacked by the Chinese.
100% routers made in China？
Asus makes theirs in Taiwan, some of them at least.
The last free China…
What would the CCP want with your softcore dragon ball collection?
What about the hard core Dragon Ball collection? Asking for a friend.
Everytime my NBN goes down these things also go down… However when the NBN connection gets restored the WIFI Does not and just sit there with an orage/red light on them and require a manual reset (aka: pull power plug out and plug back in).
They are good when they work and shit when they don't - you get what you pay for.
I connect it in bridge mode. No problems
So, if you connect with bridge mode, does that mean the security is just handled by your original modem/router?
I won't buy Tenda's products again.
Mine has issue where it reboots twice a day when set to a particular day/time.. Also at the moment it is not reading Day Light Saving so have to put the time to 4AM if i want it to reboot at 5AM but then it reboots again at 17:00 same day for whatever reason. Anyone have the same issue? They're still good for the price though.
Don’t buy this, could be a tool for Chinese Gov to monitor their residents because they refused to implement AES encryption.
Don't buy this rubbish, mine disconnects few times a day.
Disable maintenance schedule.
Misread TENDA as TENGA. Got my hopes up :(
W*nker :)
I have a set. They work great.
I'm use a single Ubiquiti AP and LAN cables for non mobile devices. I'm just saying - you dont always need a mesh network.
Mesh is just a fancy term like cloud anyway.
No, it's not. It means you can have multiple broadcast points & still have one single network in your house.
A good mesh network makes a massive difference to the quality of your home wifi.
This however is not a good buy, lax security is a very poor choice in the modern world.
That's existed for years and has only been called mesh in recent years. It's a marketing term like how the cloud means internet.
@Clear: You are probably thinking of wifi extenders which have been around years, that took a wifi signal & extended it. Problem is it halved the speed & created a seperate network, fine when you were I the room but as you moved around you would find yourself connected to a repeater rooms away.
Mesh networks create one single network around the house, no loss of speed & perfect if you have a long or high property or just have thick walls.
Mesh networks aren't just hype, they are a big step forwards.
@Clear: Agreed, it's not new technology, it's been available is a corporate situation for many years but the home systems & it a home pricepoint is a recent thing.
@Clear: No it’s not. The technology is not the same and there are specific standards (802.11s etc) that govern it.
Source: built my own wireless distribution system (WDS) on Broadcom routers with heavily modified OpenWRT, pitched a router company to YCombinator based on it
@ausmechkeyboards: Source: i put random stuff here to make myself sound more genuine
Prove it. You gotta provide evidence when you make such claims, otherwise we could all tell stories about how amazing and relevant we are.
@Clear: Holy shit you’re toxic.
Here is a snippet of the application and the rejection letter https://imgur.com/a/mchDWCu
I’m sorry you have achieved nothing in your life and try to project that onto others - hopefully you find something you’re good at.
I’m sorry you have achieved nothing in your life and try to project that onto others - hopefully you find something you’re good at.
And you say I'm toxic.
@Clear: Maybe you should stop editing your posts over and over to try to put yourself into a better light. It’s obsessive and creepy.
Not only are you needlessly hostile, but you’re outright wrong on the trivial details you’re hostile about - even with “mesh” given that the IEEE through 802.11s has been using “mesh” since 2004.
@Clear: If I don’t like you calling what I write “bullshit” (before you edited it out) I shouldn’t reply?
Let’s go over things so far:-
Nice one buddy
Misread as Terra Nova (Strike Force Centauri). Those were the good times, good times indeed. Dawn of 3D games
There are great Chinese cheap products like Xiaomi :)
Then there are bad Chinese cheap products like this Tenda 3Pack >:(
I got this a few months back and they’ve worked great. Had no idea there were security concerns. What is the recommended alternative?
TP-Link Deco M5.
Can I use this as nbn router? or do I need seperate router?
MW3 has a router.
The comments here have put me off this model but does anyone have a recommendation for a mesh system without it breaking the bank?
Limited to 100mbps, apparently.
What do you expect for <$100?
TP-Link Deco M5.
Un secure. Don't cheap out on security guys. These devices are suppose to protect your credit cards and data so why would you risk it and cheap out.
I'll start off by saying I wouldn't recommend this but your statement re cc is inherently wrong.
The lack of AES doesn't mean your cc details will travel over the wireless network unencrypted. The encryption happens between you and your bank not on your wireless network.
Lacking encryption poses other problems not related to encrypted sites. The chance of you being hacked by a random guy in their car looking for TKIP wireless networks would be woefully slim.
Saying that, stay clear.
I'm not talking about encryption but rather using TKIP as a weakness to hop onto the network and spoof DNS to capture cards and access NAS or other computer data. Yes the chances are low but kids these days just copy stuff they see online so it's better to be safe than sorry. Even in my neighbourhood I still get about 300 failed authentication attempts for my Wi-Fi network.
Just a quick question related to this item. I had the Kogan version of these previously and the network did run in AES encryption mode. Does anyone know why if they are the same hardware?
Different firmware. One could possibly get the Kogan firmware and flash over the Tenda.
Anyone tried this? Is it possible?
Depending on how Tenda signs its firmware, is may be possible to do a CA Pinning attack to spoof the Kogan's firmware as Vendor approved. You could also flash it manually via an Arduino and some jumpers.
thanks for the reply. I had incorrectly thought this was a hardware issue.
If I only have 100/10 NBN connection, is there any point to getting something capable of gigabit?
Thinking about mesh wifi to see if it helps with remote play on xbox series x.
If possible, I would recommend you go with ethernet cables for your gaming rig / console and TV
Not an option unfortunately unless I run a long cable, which is I don't want to do.
Internal network speed.
If I only have 100/10 NBN connection, is there any point to getting something capable of gigabit?
Yes. A 100Mbps wifi router will only be 100Mbps when standing very close to the router. Go a couple of rooms away, and you could be at 10Mbps.
With a 1000Mbps router, go a couple of rooms away and you could be at 100Mbps - so no slow-down of your 100/10 NBN connection.
Note: it's not as simple as that. 100Mbps routers typically use 2.4GHz Wifi, and 1000Mbps routers must use 5GHz Wifi for at least part of the transmission. 5GHz Wifi fades faster with distance, so you might only get 50Mbps - but it's still better than 10Mbps.
Bought one of these things as an extender a few months back, it lasted a month, was replaced and the replacement cycles when the nbn drops out (which it never does hehe). Now I read about security flaws…you'd expect to find these in a bargain bin…but not going anywhere near them, is the better plan.
Two Redmi AX5's currently serve better than these things did.
It's not a lot more for a lot more bang..
DYOR on mesh networking and see where it leads you.
yeah would be good if it worked.
Tried it in 2 different environments and had 13% packet loss on uplink.
No configuration, no tech support.
Avoid.
Have been using mine the last 2 days and so far not impressed. Periodic drop outs from nbn, snail speed then picks up randomly, the app complains about disconnecting from the units every now and then. With no logs in app, it's very hard to work out what's wrong. Have tried restarting everything after a power cycle but no improvement.
My old wifi router, though some deadzones around the house, was a lot more consistent. Unfortunately the symptoms I'm having does seem like I can get a refund.
Bridge connection works fine. Disable maintenance schedule and enable Fast Roaming.
Yeah. I noticed about the bridge mode, but sort of defeats half the purpose of having it.
Bloody good price.