Not a bad deal for the newest model.
Seen at Costco Docklands. Not sure if available at other stores.
Apple MacBook Pro 13" M1 Chip 2020 $1889.99 (RRP $1999) @ Costco (Membership Required)
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That's the air. This is the pro
my bad!
it'd help if you knew what you were talking about before offering incorrect opinions passed off as fact…
the vast bulk of x86 Mac apps work through Rosetta 2. If you need to run Windows x86 apps, then some will work over CrossOver, not most.Crossover will get there, I mean look at WINE for Linux.. it's come so far.
Don't worry WOW now works without Rosetta.
I think Windows10 Apps (ie non-x86 exclusive) will come later rather than sooner. But legacy x86 Windows programs will take a decent long-while. I base that on the sheer amount of work that is needed, and the fact that Apple is locking down the Mac ecosystem down hard. So a bit of a double-edged sword for enthusiasts.
I don't mean to hijack the thread…. but let's be honest, a lot of comparisons of the Apple Silicon M1 are vague, misrepresentative or blatantly off. The best representative benchmarks I've seen are:
Single Core, Geekbench v5, 5min run, Rosetta2
~1300 score: 2020 Macbook Air (10W M1)
~1100 points: 2019 MacBook Pro 16in (35W i9-9880H)
~920 points: AMD Zen2+ Laptop (35W r9-4900HS)
~900 points: 2019 Macbook Pro 13in (15W i5-8257U):
~750 points: AMD Zen2+ Laptop (20W r7-4800U)Multi-Thread, CineBench r23, 10min run, Rosetta2
~11,000 score: AMD Zen2+ Laptop (35W r9-4900HS)
~9,200 score: AMD Zen2+ Laptop (20W r7-4800U)
~9,100 score: 2019 MacBook Pro 16in (35W i9-9880H)
~7,100 score: 2020 Macbook Air (10W M1)
~5,100 score: 2019 Macbook Pro 13in (15W i5-8257U)Rendering Performance, Final Cut ProX, 10min clip
Error on Ryzentosh: AMD Zen2+ Laptop (35W r9-4900HS)
Error on Ryzentosh: AMD Zen2+ Laptop (20W r7-4800U)
~360 seconds: 2019 MacBook Pro 16in (35W i9-9880H)
~410 seconds: 2020 Macbook Air (10W M1)
~1100 seconds: 2019 Macbook Pro 13in (15W i5-8257U)GPU Performance, GFXBench v5 Aztec Ruins High, Rosetta2
~79 fps: 2019 MacBook Pro 16in (i9 5600M)
~76 fps: 2020 Macbook Air (M1 8CU)
~39 fps: AMD Zen2+ Laptop (r9 Vega-8)
~36 fps: AMD Zen2+ Laptop (r7 Vega-7)
~20 fps: 2019 Macbook Pro 13in (i5 Iris Pro)Gaming Perfomance, Rise of the Tomb Raider, 1080p High
~70 fps: 2019 MacBook Pro 16in (i9 5600M)
~40 fps: 2020 Macbook Air (M1 8CU)
~23 fps: AMD Zen2+ Laptop (r9 Vega-8)
~21 fps: AMD Zen2+ Laptop (r7 Vega-7)
~12 fps: 2019 Macbook Pro 13in (i5 Iris Pro)I think this would be representative, were all apps run through Rosetta 2. It’s not misrepresentative displaying native ARM benchmarks, when a large number of applications are already available natively.
A single core geekbench score of 1300 is impressive on a 10W, fanless device. Last I read, the Pro was scoring ~1700.@AlexD: Please refer to this YouTube review were it is running CineBench R23 natively on the Air and the Pro and scores 7000 vs 9000 on the 15w AMD Ryzen 4800u for crossplatform performance.
Only $1,849 if you are a student via the apple education pricing.
I can say that for everything you buy that I don't, whats your point ?
Yes, that is a perfectly cromulent word.
I think it's cheap for the value you get.
Yeah for an all day laptop. It’s darn good.
too bad no longer supports windows 10
@striker5950: Woo woo woo, are you serious? i just nearly went out and purchased one yesterday but got tied up?
@snipercat: No x86 windows support anymore. Its the main reason why I would be hesitant to buy one if I had windows x86 apps that I needed, especially 64 bit apps.
@casho: Rosetta 2 runs x86 apps (i.e. pre-Big Sur) however it doesn't allow for Bootcamp like Intel macs do, so no running Windows natively (not until they get around to releasing a decent ARM based version).
You could run Parallels via Rosetta 2 but the overhead of both an emulated software layer and emulated x86 instructions would be not great. An M1 version of Parallels is coming though.
@freefall101: So what do you need windows for, for product testing maybe? So just buy a cheap actual windows laptop. If you need to run x86 software then rosetta 2 will run it.
@casho: I'm not saying I need it, I'm saying that Rosetta 2 doesn't solve the problem.
x86 Windows software and x86 software are entirely different things.
@freefall101: i love having two boot options natively supported. i dont like virtual machines they arent as smooth or reliable and require booting into IOS to go into windows.
@g1: You can get around it by using Proxmox on a low cost intel machine, such as a Xeon server or a Laptop, and install Windows on Proxmox, and access via web browser. Although it may depend on the programs you want to run, video editing may not work too well.
@striker5950: First time I've been tempted to buy a Mac in long, long time. Only two things holding me back at
No windows. A fairly big bummer.
No touch screen. All those iodd apps and no touch screen? I can only think Apple intentionally left this of the first version of M1 because they know it is a desired feature will sell heaps of machines in Gen 2.
I might wait until next year and see what happens. 12 months to get windows running should be plenty, 12 months to add the touch screen.
@striker5950: I had W10 installed on dual boot for most of the time I had my previous MacBook Air (early 2015) and I think I booted W10 only a few times to play Skyrim. I also have a W10 desktop and came from Windows machines (including W10 phone), but I prefer MacOS. I understand some people do use W10 more, but according to unverified posts by Apple-fanboys/fangirls (who are as bad as Windows or Android or Samsung fanboys/fangirls), the percentage of people running W10 on Macs is very small.
@tolchok: i guess each person has a different opinion, i bought my first mac book air in early 2015 from one of the ozbargain posts for $1,020 and as soon as i got it, the second day i installed bootcamp windows as i could not stand the mac OS but i loved the apple hardware quality and there was nothing in windows side matching it in hardware for 1k at that time. i've always used windows and i love the flexibility of windows with (some expensive software that may or many not be running on cr@cked copies) its just more flexible and i've used it since forever and i could not get myself to start learning mac and with its restrictions i just gave up and stuck with windows, however i do have an ipad and iPhone and i do love their IOS software.. just not mac os
@striker5950: Yep, definitely, I totally understand and respect that. People like different OSs and I think it is great that there is variety. I am personally not a fan of iOS and prefer LineageOS/Android, but understand that some people prefer iOS.
I also don't think that the new Macs not having W10 is going to sway as many people's purchase as some people are making out. I think many people posting would not buy one of the new Macs (and would make negative comments on here) even if it did run W10. I am not lumping you in with that lot, it is more the people who feel they have to sling mud any time there is an Apple deal posted.
Interestingly, apparently technically Apple Silicon can run ARM W10, it is Microsoft who are preventing it. It will be interesting to see if some of the people here change their tune if someone posts a workaround to install W10 on this machine.
As an aside, I think I got my Air from the same OzBargain Post (I know I got it for about that price) and that was my first use of a Mac machine. I was still using a W10 phone and had a Microsoft Band, so I probably shouldn't have taken to OSX so easily, but I did. I still use W10 fairly frequently too, I just don't like it as much as MacOS.
Time to get a better paying job then if you can’t afford it.
Typical Apple consumer, assuming someone is poor because they don't want an overpriced Apple product. For a "Pro" model, 8GB of ram and a 256GB SSD is a joke for $1900.
No "Professional" would find those specs acceptable, so who is this for?
@Vinodra: But it’s typical of non Apple consumer to assume that the Apple consumer isn’t more loaded or better at making money than the non Apple consumer. 2k for a pro model is disgustingly cheap considering I paid 4K for last years 16 model.
My friend had a Sony phone and after switching to Apple. His revenue has grown to 5 mil from half a mil in 2 years
Also it’s typical of non Apple consumers to judge a product with the specs and not the other features like it’s software. 2 years ago I was gifted a dell XP’s and it’s not worth the basic Apple laptops at the time. The hardware and software is poor compared to Mac laptops. I end up fixing it 4 times within the first year and the same can go for every other pc or laptop I’ve purchased
@Vinodra: Its so typical - more ram therefore it should be better. Go watch reviews on youtube. 8gb RAM is not a limitation and it works and multitasks just fine, even heavier workloads. There is no ultrabook in the world right now which is wven half as capable as this including Apple’s own intel machines.
@Vinodra: Why the envy? If some guy buys a Lamborghini do you see me whining online?
All our corporate lap tops had 8gb and piece of crap FHD screens and we were all professionals. I’m perfectly content with Apple products because I know they’re quality, they work and it’s worth the premium not to mess around with defects trying to get something fixed because I know what my time is worth. I’m also on my 3rd macbook so I’ve had a lot of experience with them since my first in 2005.
@Vinodra: I don't know if I qualify as "typical" Apple consumer — maybe don't lump us all in the same box? — but I've owned and used both Macs and Windows (and MS/DR-DOS before that) over 25+ years — it's silly to make assumptions about wealth. Or what's a "typical" XYZ user.
My mindset: Use the platform that works best for you. Or save up for the one you'd really like if it's not yet in reach, whether that's a Mac… or a Windows PC 😊
@Vinodra: 100%. Rabid, unthinking fanboys can be a pain in the posterior, regardless of their cause.
Apple computers are the type of computers you can have for over a decade. I just sold my 2009 MBP as it was still functional with no defects, I’ve just upgraded so don’t need the old one anymore. I still sold it for 1/6 of the original purchase price.
Show me another normal computer you can do that with?
Any "normal" computer can last 10 years if you're taking care of it, which you clearly did.
Resale value wise? Sure, unfortunately the person who brought it from you probably knows nothing about computers and was just interested in the brand name; and is now stuck with a severely outdated laptop.
@[Deactivated]: Any 10 year old laptop will be terrible, does it have an SSD? Unless you put one in yourself im guessing not.
I generally agree with the build quality of Macs.
One thing has changed though. The 2009 MBP's RAM is upgradable. It didn't have an SSD so the hard drive could also be upgraded to SSD to increase longevity. Can't do that with the modern Macbook Pros. The RAM is soldered on.
@[Deactivated]: No just RAM, SSD is soldered too- in construction, these are more like a tablet, completely non upgradeable. And if any of he board dies, your data goes with it. They even removed the service port that allowed for ssd data recovery.
@[Deactivated]: most small form factor or ultrabooks will have soldered SSD and ram on them. However thanks to the m2 form factor, some may have removable storage.
Yep, my MacBook Pro 2011 + ssd is probably faster for browsing than my ryzen desktop. They recently updated Catalina to be optimised for solid state drives. The UI also helps.
This used to be the case with the macbooks. However since around 2016 the reliability of Macbooks has gone downhill. It will only take you about 5 minutes of google searching to find all the design flaws in their products in the past 4 years.
Can also price match Edu pricing at JBHIFI with a student card.
Can we pay using gift cards with the price match?
Of course.
I did that when i bought MBP 3.5 yrs ago. They even deducted $100 off student price, as apple was running $100 apple store card offer at that time.
Only $1,849 if you are a student via the apple education pricing.
Uni students
You can get it even cheaper ($1775) using the secret University stores too https://www.apple.com/au_edu_5002569/shop
What is that?
'AOC AU University of South Australia' has negotiated better pricing than the standard 'university' store.
This link goes directly to that UniSA store.@b3au: wouldn't you have to prove you attend that uni in anyway? when I went to purchase my m1 Mac they asked to verify my uni ID, unsure of the process online.
@snvl: Do you have any insights on how they’ll randomly check? The discount us pretty good compared to the normal edu store but if it’s gonna go through the hassle of this, I’d rather just go with the normal edu store.
@b3au: Most other uni's have it, I know UQ has one and I'm sure others do too. They're usually in your Uni's IT department pages about buying personal equipment. I've never been asked about purchases from it but I've only bought a few things from them.
will they process the order if you're not a Uni SA student?
Non-UniSA student here. I’ve tried going as far as the payments page and it didn’t ask me for any ID relevant to UniSA. Can anyone confirm if this will be asked later on?
Thanks for the link. $1381.60 for the M1 Air is a hell of a deal!
Does edu discount stack with regular retailer 10% off?
I think they may have mislabelled this one in-store. Apple is selling the 13" / 512GB / 8GB version for $1949, so it's probably that model, not the lower spec entry-tier model with 256SSD
Should stop calling it 2021. It's 2020! Official is late-2020 models.
Subaru just launched their 2022 car models haha
Already writing off 2021 I see….
Reviews of these are extraordinary. The last 2 times Apple changed chip architecture was to keep up with everyone else, this time, it is to leave them in the dust.
On ATP Marco mentioned that his new one (I think he got the MBA with 8 GPU cores) is crushing his (not terribly old) 10-core iMac Pro in Xcode production tests. Astonishing.
The vast majority of x86 Mac applications work fine.
Hurrr durrr Mac is bad
Well it can't run boot camp anymore lol, so for some people they might need 2 laptops to ensure compatibility. The value proposition is good, but like most first gen things it has issues and these should be acknowledged
@Ibz: Just checking if you are actually a Mac user, and if so, do you boot into W10 on your Mac? I only ask because it seems like a lot of the people that are having these faux-concerns aren't people that would buy a Mac anyway.
@tolchok: I boot into windows due to having to use ProctorU for usyd exams. No way am I letting them into my MacOS partition. If you’re using excel a lot the windows version seems a lot better. Apart from that nothing else.
@Icecold5000: Ah, ok, I do use Excel a lot, but have never noticed the difference when using on MacOS rather than W10. What features to you miss when you boot into MacOS? Genuine question.
@tolchok: I’m just used to the layout on Win Excel because I know where everything is in that version. I did use some CAD software while doing a course which was Win only but apart from that nothing.if you’re a heavy excel user for work it will be an issue perhaps. There should be an emulator in due course though so not worried at all.
It's built on the TSMC 5nm node, with 16 billion transistors and a lot of custom accelerators. At the moment reviews are only showing Geekbench and SPECint synthetics, which don't translate well to real world applications use. There are a few reviews of apps which take advantage of the custom accelerators. Still waiting on reviews of a more diverse range of 3rd party applications, including those specifically made for x86 before jumping on board, because of the current performance hit on the M1.
Can someone please provide a link, of a review, showing the majority of x86 applications running fine.
Lol its running geekbench in x86 emulation faster than intel running it natively. Second each review is praising the real life performance beyond just numbers with some trying really really hard to bring the MacBook to its knees but werent able to do so unless they were running something like 50 apps at the same time. They couldnt even hear the damn fan running even when it was pushed beyond the limit.
they couldnt hear the fan because it doesnt have one :)
Please provide a link to verify thanks. It would help with my buying decisions.
no one takes geekbench seriously
literally no reviewer uses it
@Freestyle: Actually I was able to find a compatibility list of apps which work and don't work on the M1. Unfortunately we have too many fanboys/girls that prefer to neg than be helpful when a question is asked.
Look up maxtech on youtube
Thanks
@shellshocked What apps do you use regularly that you want tested? If I have them, I can let you know how they work in real life.
For business apps, unsurprisingly Excel, Word, Onedrive, browsers etc. all run extremely quickly; though they would also run quickly on any fairly recent laptop I assume. I will note that Onedrive runs better on my Mac than my PC, though it did on my late 2015 MacBook Air as well despite my desktop PC being a much more powerful beast.
The 'creative' apps I've tried run quickly and smoothly as well, including iPad app versions of Affinity Photo and Designer (I've bought for PC and iPad, so didn't want to buy again for Mac), video editing (just iMovie so far).
I ran Meshlab, Meshmixer and Cura and they all seemed to work well enough, though I haven't spent much time in those yet on my laptop.
Thanks you use some of the apps I use and it answers most of my questions. I appreciate it.
Adobe products?
@serpserpserp: Unfortunately I don't own/use them - though given my son gets access through his school I'll see whether I can also install them tonight.
I did a quick search and the following articles suggest that performance is incredible for the native beta version of Photoshop (though it doesn't have all the features yet):
https://www.creativebloq.com/news/photoshop-m1-beta
https://www.techradar.com/au/news/adobe-photoshop-now-runs-l…For the regular x86 version (full version already) the Adobe website indicates:
Photoshop 22.x will run under Rosetta 2 emulation mode on Apple devices with Apple Silicon M1 processors with these known issues:
When exporting using Export As or Generator, you cannot export some formats (SVG, GIF); You see magenta artifacts in preview or after commit when using filters like Flame, Picture Frame or Tree.
Just search for apps that you use most currently and watch videos on how they perform. I took the plunge and can say all my x86 apps ran without a hitch.
Still shitty glossy screens I assume? Glossy screens have always killed Macbooks in challenging lighting situation. Not everyone has the luxury of working in perfect lighting. If only these had Matte screen option sigh
13” / 256GB / 8GB