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Was browsing looking for deals in the Pixel 5 and came across this on the Optus site. Save $144 off RRP when contracting to a plan over 24 or 36 months.
[Pre Order] Google Pixel 5 $854.64 ($854.64 over 24 or 36 Months + Plan) @ Optus
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LYELNATS on 07/10/2020 - 13:31 optus.com.au (3108 clicks)
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I feel like this is every year haha
same. How on earth is the pixel 5 chipset worse than my pixel 3. hell it's worse than a pixel 2. Samsung can offer significantly better hardware for the same price S20 FE (before numerous discounts), all I want is stock android in samsung hardware and none of samsungs garbage bloatware. I've been eagerly waiting for pixel 5 ever since i dropped my pixel 3 and cracked my screen and now I get is yet another let down, year after year.
I think you're underestimating 765g based on its name. From personal experience a well optimised mid-high range processor is better than a high-end processor that is not well optimised. Because if they get hot which is the result of a bad cooling system or bad optimisation, the drop in performance and battery life would be huge. Even lower than mid-range ones. Like Exynos. Phones with 865 are not built equally. That's why everyone should be concerned about the stability of the performance and not just raw power.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.androidauthority.com/snapdr…
E: not defending P5. I think it should haven been at least$150 cheaper to make it perfect for most people.Disclaimer: I'm a Samsung user, also own a oppo Reno 5G.
I find that Samsung's phone is well optimised though, at least compared to Oppo phone in my case.
Yes, it probably doesn't matter what the benchmark says in real life application and use. but, knowing that my current 2 yr old phone has an overall better chipset in raw performance than the "new" pixel that would want me to shell out another 1k for is not a very compelling reason.
it's about about comparison to the competition offering.120hz screen,4500mh battery, SD865, 5g, with less money with s20FE 5g than the pixel 5. On paper, the benchmark scores for single core of 865 over 765g is 51%.
Ive been pondering over any compelling reasons to upgrade to pixel 5 over my pixel 3 - I can't find any. If anything, I'll lose the 1 more year of original photo quality backup I still have.
Yes pixel is about its software experience, well aware of that, hence why I love pixel phones, but for once, just for once, I wished they nail the hardware.
@lawyerz: Dave2d explain it better. Still not convincing everybody but he has a point. If It drops to around $600 or even less in the next 9 months, I'm gonna get it anyway. That's the right price for it.
https://youtu.be/pjdcUqJNk5c@Mi2: yeah i watched his vids - and especially his comparison with s20fe. I think his view is that the software experience plays a bigger role in day to day use than the hardware, which he has a point.
I am also with you there, if it drops to $700-800, that seem like a more right price point when priced against competition but I dont see that happening as that'll eat into 4a space. more likely they hope people will buy the 4a.
The 4a 4g at 600 on the other hand, is a pretty good deal in my books. the battery is a bit small though =/
@lawyerz: Don't ditch your Pixel 3 yet. It will keep getting free original size Google Photos storage for photo and video for one more year, an offer Google sorely regretted. And the Pixel 3 camera remains outstanding, picking up most of the software goodies in P4.
@lawyerz: bro chill, they are going to release 5xl which will have 865 minimum but will cost at least $1250
I think poor presales will indicate a more appropriate price point to Google.
I dropped my 3a yesterday and cracked the screen. $260 for a replacement, and I'll pay it because the newer Pixels haven't gotten any better
I did a couple of days ago with my Pixel 2XL too, but can't be bothered to get it repaired as it will cost $200 for me and I am not able to justify getting the screen replaced on a phone I have had for 3 years.
@rhymingboxer1: The decision is to spend $600+ on a new phone with similar specs, or spend $260 to get mine back to good condition. So $260 wins.
And looking at other phones and their bloated custom UI's aren't helping. Raw Android with regular updates FTW!@1st-Amendment: Fair enough. I think I can still justify getting a phone now. Although, not sure about Pixel 5 yet.
@1st-Amendment: U don't have many years of updates left. Google promises 3 years of updates right?
3 to 5 is not a bad upgrade and considering 260 is a lot of money to just replace a screen.
@sauce2k: Pixel 3a came out May last year, so $260 gets me another 18months, and is a lot cheaper than $999
What are people using their phones for that they want more processing power? I have a sd845 in my OnePlus 6 and I still have not found a single use case that has tempted me to upgrade. 3D gaming is the only real reason but who does that?
I think it's more the price combined with the processing power. Price is too high for what it is.
@brendanm: I'm not gaming and am still on the Pixel 1 I got new at end of 2017. Great build quality, still works just fine, great screen, great camera, android 10, got a new battery ($65) and all's good. I still covet a new phone but nothing is screaming BUY ME as yet. The sd820 has similar performance to the SOC in the 4a apparently. Crazy marketplace..
@sim36: I don't game on a phone either. I have a pixel 2 xl, which is great apart from the cracked screen. Screen replacement costs as much as a phone. Haven't found anything that does what I want yet, Samsung s20 Fe is probably the closest, however non-stock Android is a no go.
FYI, Optus will now price match 5G phones.
Optus today announced that it will now price any local competitor when it comes to 5G smartphones, for any device in its range. If any retailer selling local stock - whether it's another telco or a retailer like JB Hi-Fi or Harvey Norman - Optus will offer the same device price on a plan.
The discount is applied as a monthly credit equal based on the difference between the Optus price and the competing retailer's price divided by the number of months in your plan. If you decided to buy your phone outright from Optus, you'll be charged the discounted price upfront.
Price match is not enough.
I would rather get an unbranded phone instead of the ones with Optus bloatware.
Can't you flash it with the stock bootloader/ROM?
why dont you save yourself time by just buying from an official retailer?
Why giving yourself the hassels when you dont save money? just showing your tech savvy?
@sfac: I highly doubt flashing the official Pixel ROM will affect warranty. I've done it on my Pixels plenty of times and successfully claimed warranty repairs.
@Cyb3rGlitch: Bought a phone 4 years ago from Optus and I couldn't do it. There was no key for the model Optus was selling. Even though I was familiar with these stuff.
AFAIK pixels never come with any carrier apps installed.
Is there optus bloatware? I was about to order it until I saw this comment
So basically you can get a cheaper price but spread the payments out over 24 months? I could see the benefit, but at the same time you're getting locked into an Optus plan. Usually it's the carriers that are cheapest because of that - they want you locked into a plan.
If I was buying outright I'd first try to price match with Officeworks.
That is what i would do too. why bother to do that with Optus.
If you can expense it, it's worth doing it. Plus these days optus doesn't charge cancellation anymore. If you cancel you only need to pay the remaining amount you owe for the handset
what you supposedly saved in device you waste in the plan I prefer outright.
Finally the pixel that doesn’t look ugly but the processor is wrong, I would rather pay $200 more if they use SD 865, why can’t they just make a perfect phone?
why can’t they just make a perfect phone?
It doesn't exist, as technology that is perfect today, becomes outdated and unsatisfactory tomorrow.
why can’t they just make a perfect phone (that is perfect for today)?
Seriously, just get the S20 FE 5G which has SD865. You don't have to upgrade your phone a year or two earlier because of the slower processor in P5.
S20FE only has 6GB RAM, I think it might run out of steam faster than the P5.
No OLED, meh camera… if you game on your phone then SoC might be important otherwise nah.
@raybies: The S20FE does have OLED. The camera looks like it's comparable to the others in the S20 lineup, but probably does pale in comparison to the P5.
@raybies: Whereas Google is scamming you with the exact same camera setup as on a Pixel 2 from 4 years ago. I’d rather take “worse“ photos with modern camera hardware. S20 (and just about every modern smart phone, including even budget ones) have more utility lens like macro, telephoto etc and better zoom.
I am not trying to gas Samsung but in my view Samsung is more hardware heavy whereas Pixel series is more software heavy. I don't think Pixel 5 is that bad a phone that it be compared to S20FE 5G, even though it has SD865 but the processor is not everything, it alone can't do everything, it's a combination of the chipset, processor, RAM, and software and this is where Pixel phones shine mostly.
literally - tomorrow.
Still holding on to my 2XL - but they announced no further security upgrades from end of the year.
So I will jump onto the Pixel 5 band wagon.I would rather pay $200 more if they use SD 865
the new Samsung FE 5G is thisBut I prefer the stock Android skin over the Samsung and faster system update, and better photo quality..
These days it's just different photo quality. Also you can get stock theme on Samsung. Faster major OS updates only, otherwise the security updates are only 1-2 weeks behind pixels. Don't forget you get more updates with samsungs too, as you get added features through the one UI updates AND android updates.
@onlinepred: I have a galaxy S10. I can say since the s20 came out I no longer get monthly security updates…who knows when the S10 will get android 11. S10 first got android 10 in mid-late December 2019, over three months after pixels got the official build.
One UI isn't as bad as TouchWiz… But it's not as good as stock android.
I can't wait to get the pixel 5.
@Daemos: Having both pixel and s10, not sure what the attraction is of having less customisation and features. Each to their own though. S10 on September security patch right now. Oct due soon.
One UI isn't as bad as TouchWiz… But it's not as good as stock android.
Having used two Pixels and various Samsungs, I don't think stock Android is better, it's just different. I prefer One UI's extra features and customization options.
If you prefer stock android feel and faster system update, go with the OnePlus device. I am using OnePlus phones from past 4 years and happy with the experience. In between used Samsung s9 for 2 months but Samsung is not my thing 😅
great, GREAT phone…RIP
@diddy50: I've been offered an immaculate P1XL128 for $70. Seriously contemplating it for a standalone device for backing up pics and vids at unlimited quality.
Samsung FE 5G would not be a Pixel 5 with SD865 (if they had one). Having used a lot of Pixel phones, there is no going back for me. Stock android and latest security ( including Titan M as a TPM).
PS:
Pre-ordered a Sammy FE for son, and wife has Sammy Note 10.
It is a matter of choice for each of us. Some prefer Apple, some Samsung and others Google Pixel. Each one to themselves.I pre-ordered the Pixel 5 from JB-HI-FI, coming from the Pixel 2XL as well.
In a real world perspective I think the processor is pretty bad, not the worse but Pixel phones comes down to the OS, stock experience and the way Google phone runs is so smooth (and 90hz coming) that the processor won't need be, yeah would of been great with a higher processor but all comes down to using the device.
tldr;
it is what it isIs this a good reason alone to change phones?
I messaged google support and the rep seems to think that there won't be a increased security risk to stay on the 2XL… which sounds dubious…
Just curious, is there something about the SD 865 beyond just raw speed that makes the 765 so wrong?
I can't imagine the 765 would be that much slower for average tasks?765g is slower than the phone 3 years ago from pixel 2. It's a downgrade, not an upgrade, if you had an existing pixel phone except for pixel 1. camera literally is the same sensor since. Sure you get 90hz screen (sometimes only, unless forced on always in dev options), but other than that it's literally a worse off phone all around.
For the same price (less with discounts), look at the hardware samsung s20fe offer - significantly better in every way on paper. If samsung had stock android models - no one would buy a pixel. it's just poor value (hardware only) by comparison.
I have such a strong preference over the stock android over samsung's firmware by a mile. better updates, no bloatware, no bixby, etc etc. I just want stock android on samsung hardware.
my last 3 phones are s6, pixel 2, pixel 3, and i love pixel software and experience, but for the life of me cannot figure out why they cannot nail down the hardware right.
Not true. It's about on par with Pixel 3 (better single core, worse multicore performance). GPU isn't quite as good as the P3 but probably not going to make a difference for mobile games. The 8GB of memory and 90hz display make the biggest perceptible difference.
https://www.androidauthority.com/snapdragon-765g-vs-snapdrag…
@Cyb3rGlitch: Screengrab from your article
Worse single core (4,307 vs 2,853), worse multicore (13,331 vs 7,735), worse GPU (7,301 vs 3,161).
More memory, and 90hz sometimes.
Edit sorry comparison above is with 865 which is what s20fe 5g offers
with pixel 3 SD 845, its just slightly better single core 2,853 vs 2,440, and worse in every other way.
@lawyerz: Yep, nobody is going to argue that the 765g bests the 865. ;) But for most people it's going to be a snapper device than at least a Pixel 3. Single core performance is key.
@Cyb3rGlitch: yeah… but doesnt feel like much of an upgrade if its such a mixed bag. I personally dont feel like its worth shelling out $1k. I guess I was hoping for s20fe with pixel software, but we cant always get what we want eh.
One key reason that manufacturers may opt for the 765 over the 865 is the 5g modem situation. The 765 uses an integrated x52 modem, whereas the 865 uses an external x55 modem. The 865/x55 combination obviously performs better, but adds a significantly higher cost to the BOM as well as more complicated board design. The reason that Samsung are able to offer the 865 in the FE is because they have a large range of products all using the same chip. This means that they can negotiate better deals on chips/modems as they are buying in larger quantities than Google. Google only offer 3 models. If all three used different chipset configurations, it would be far more difficult to hit a desired price point without making other compromises.
I used an SD730 in a Xiaomi Mi 9T for a few months, and it was really snappy. No gaming though so can't comment. After an issue with the phone, updated to Mi 9T Pro with SD855, and for day to day use not a huge improvement.
So if the SD855/SD730 holds true with the SD865/SD765, then in a clean Android device most people will be challenged to notice the performance downgrade.
Is 4a 5g any good?
Yeah Pixel 4a 5G and Pixel 5 have pretty much similar specs on paper, just depends what you need out of a phone in my opinion.
Also Pixel 4a 5G is cheaper than the Pixel 5 RRP.4a 5g has headphone jack, 5 has higher refresh rate.
Basic comparison between the Pixel 5 and 4A 5g.
Same: 765 chip, same screen resolution, same cameras front and back
4A Only (AU$799): headphone jack, 6gb ram, 3885 mAh battery, 6.2" screen 60hz, plastic body
5 Only (AU$999): 8gb ram, 6" screen 90hz, 4080 mAh battery, alluminium body, gorilla glass 6, IP68 water resistant, wireless charging, battery share
In summary, 5 has better build quality/durability, more ram, better battery, better screen refresh rate, wireless charging. 4A has a bigger screen at a standard refresh rate, small battery and a headphone jack.
Save $144 off RRP when contracting to a plan over 24 or 36 months.
wow
Yeah definitely not the greatest of deals. More suitable for someone currently paying ~$50 per month on a sim plan and would like a new phone now without having to outlay the $999….
Lost a lot of faith in Google for giving up on security updates on the pixel 2 immediately after the "minimum 3 years" of support comes up. Pretty poor form.
No point in paying a premium for non-premium support.
What would be considered 'premium support'?
Well if you say "minimum 3 years" I'd expect something more than "exactly 3 years". Apple manages 5 years for a $1200 phone. That's not a bad target. Or maybe "security updates until the next major OS"?
Apple manages 5 years for a $1200 phone
They may have done that in the past, but there's no promise they'll continue to do so.
At least with Google, you're guaranteed to receive updates for the length of time specified at purchase.
it's actually minimum 2 years. they gave an extra year over the min 2 years.
Security has always been 3 years. Feature updates they added an extra year I believe.
Sorry you're right, I had an incorrect takeaway from this article.
https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-2-updates-end-….
Technically, this means that the Pixel 2 will receive more updates than Google originally promised. Google only commits to three years of software updates for its Pixel phones, and the Pixel 2 launched in October 2017. However, Google will deliver one final update in December for both the Pixel 2 and Pixel 2 XL before laying them to rest.
lol great, extra 2 months.
I believe they have stopped giving unlimited photo backup storage?
It should be still there for high quality photos, just not original quality.
yes. 3 months of 100gb storage now + play pass + youtube premium. "high quality", scaled down to 16MP i believe, has always been free from the start, for any device/source, even iOS. I still have another year of original quality backup on pixel 3.
I think we need to wait for reviews, it will depend on how google optimizes android with the chipset. If they can get similar performance on the phone then why use a more powerful processor. Google has full control over the launcher, there no samsung one ui or other launcher skin.
For example, if SD865 get a 2% increase in performance but you would have to pay $200 extra, would it be worth it
SD865 is not a 2% increase in performance, it's 51% increase in single core performance (at least taken based on the geekbench score). Like CPU in a computer, benchmarks are objective and not (really) subject to windows 10 optimisation.
what im talking about is how does the software gets used in conjunction with the hardware. When were talking about benchmarks, then ofc the SD865 is way better, but what Im trying to say is what can google do to the software that will bring the best performance out of the chipset.
It like comparing 2070 vs 5700xt in the past, similar performance, but nvidia obviously has better drivers and thus it performed better.
Not sure why you think the SoC difference will be insignificant. GCam is one of the most important thing for people buying a Pixel phone, and with the removal of Pixel Core the SoC will now do the majority of heavy lifting for processing photos taken by GCam app. A SD765 will be slower than SD865 for sure in this, just like how the Pixel 3A is significantly slower than even Pixel 2 when you use GCam and taking multiple picture, because of the lack of Pixel Core and SD835 > SD670.
You're speculating about performance differences, why not wait for actual data?
Speculating, yes. That's why I'm waiting for reviews and most of them isn't glowing. It's kind of OK rather than brilliant so far.
Also Pixel 3a vs older Pixel 2 isn't speculating. It's hard fact, the SD670 does compute slower and it's quite clear in processing photos. People even complain about lost photo due to the phone hasn't been able to processed the previously taken one.
For me I would have taken a $200 Aussie increase to get a SD865. Or keep the same price and SD765 but gives us a third zoom lens. This is straight to Black Friday discount or skip for Poxel 6 to me as it is. Hoping we gets at least $200-$300 discount but seeing as Google themselves didn't think this would sell (they ordered 800,000 phones which is far less than any previous gen) I don't think they would discount at all. The only reason they released this is probably obligation to have a 'premium' Pixel, otherwise 4a and 4a 5G are the main sellers.
https://www.theverge.com/21514296/google-pixel-4a-5g-review-…
Ok so finally someone review show that, yes the SD765 is slower than SD855 in image processing (also due to removal of PVC).
"Like the Pixel 4A, the 4A 5G and the Pixel 5 lack the Pixel Neural Core processor that was used for faster image processing in the Pixel 4. Although Google says it has done work to speed up image processing, if you take a portrait or Night Sight image and immediately jump to review it, you’ll have to wait a few seconds to see it. This is perhaps the only performance downgrade I’ve observed between the 4A 5G and last year’s flagship Pixel 4, but it’s not a deal-breaker."
On the 4a 5G that's fine but on Pixel 5 it's not a good thing, as it's already in premium territory.
Does anyone know if it's a dual sim phone?
no
Yes, it has a single nano SIM and an eSIM.
hmm does esim count as a dual sim card? is there any telco in aus offering esim options atm? (legit want to know)
Personally, I think it does.
Telstra offer eSIM services I believe.
Every one of them
@digitalane: Really? Been telco surfing past 5 years never given the option to use an esim.
Maybe it's because I'm on prepaid.
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Nice find but won't bother getting a pixel this year.