Petition - Make Alcohol Ignition Interlock Devices Compulsory to Stop Drink Driving

alikazi on 05/02/2020 - 12:57
Last edited 06/02/2020 - 11:58

I started this petition just now. I am interested in knowing your opinion on this. Do you think we should make alcohol ignition interlock devices mandatory? Please read before voting here, sign the petition if you agree and leave comments. Thanks.
https://www.change.org/p/everyone-make-alcohol-ignition-inte…

Edit: Alright that didnt take long to get the votes rolling. I hadnt expected it to be a overwhelming Yes or No, I simply wasnt sure and was curious to check out the opinions.
I should address some of the very common comments here:

  • How does this system tell that the person who blew in there is the person driving? Or that it's not blown in by balloon? Or via a pipe blown by the passenger?
    The current devices are not equipped with facial recognition, but clearly we have good facial recognition technology in our phones for years now. If fitting these devices was driven by legislation, the devices that would be installed will have facial recognition to counter all of the above hacks.

  • What happens when the device asks for a "during trip" test sample and you refuse? Does the device disable the vehicle while travelling at 110kph?
    No. If you fail a running test then it will sound the alarm or horn and flash lights until you stop driving. The car will keep running so you can pull over.

  • In the future it may become a cost effective technology, but then futile because autonomous vehicles will solve these concerns.
    I disagree that self driving cars will become common so quickly. The infrastructure needed to get automated cars to work at their best is massive. 5G and 6G are going to help cars communicate with each other, but they will also need to be connected to the "grid" itself - the cars will need to know when there's an accident on the way, they need to be connected to all signals to know whether they are red, yellow or green and make appropriate decisions. Its a LOT of work still to be done for automated cars to become a common reality.
    Also, I really dont think people are simply going to give up driving. Car/motorcycle enthusiasts will resist automated cars, I guarantee it.
    Additionally it is only going to need a few tragic accidents where automated cars killed children or people and you'll see growing resistance to them.

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  • 56
    Yes
  • 867
    No
  • 5
    Not sure
Automotive

Comments

  • dcep on 05/02/2020 - 12:59
    +67

    who's paying ?

    and the device needs maintenance / calibration every XX months ?

    • orangetrain on 05/02/2020 - 13:13
      +38

      How easy is it to bypass?

      Is it as easy as blowing up a balloon and leave it in car to use later after a night of punishing the liver?

      Who benefits financially? A corrupt company and marginal seat Liberal?

      • MS Paint on 05/02/2020 - 13:56
        +1

        A camera is fitted as well to check.

        • WoodYouLikeSomeCash on 06/02/2020 - 20:21
          +6

          A camera is fitted as well to check.

          That creates the issue of privacy who can see the feed? when can they see it (e.g after court ruling, etc.)?

      • brendanm on 05/02/2020 - 15:34
        +2

        Not very easy. They want you to blow, then suck, and will randomly get you to retest while driving.

        Electrically bypass? Probably quite simple.

        • spackbace on 05/02/2020 - 16:31
          +25

          They want you to blow, then suck

          And how good are you at that?

          schoolgirl giggles

      • Donaldhump on 05/02/2020 - 17:08

        just pay a sober patron in the put $10 to blow in it for you, then off you go.

        • brendanm on 05/02/2020 - 17:20

          It gets you to redo it while driving.

          • ripprind on 05/02/2020 - 21:10

            @brendanm: Hmmmm

            • brendanm on 05/02/2020 - 23:01
              +1

              @ripprind: Hmmmm what?

              • Sammyboy on 07/02/2020 - 16:34

                @brendanm: that's the sound the passenger will make when they lean over to blow . . . on the interlock

          • ddhar on 05/02/2020 - 21:23
            +10

            @brendanm: Do we need yet more distraction to the driver?

            • brendanm on 05/02/2020 - 23:02

              @ddhar: Apparently so. Better than them being drunk I suppose.

        • [Deactivated] on 05/02/2020 - 18:30
          +30

          Who would have thought one can make a killing blowing all night at the carpark of the local tavern.

        • smpantsonfire on 05/02/2020 - 18:46

          If people take this up, shame on them

      • nikey2k27 on 06/02/2020 - 05:56

        i know this lady she get her 8 year old to blow in it.

        • dcep on 06/02/2020 - 09:47
          +3

          i know this guy he …ohh wait

      • payless69 on 07/02/2020 - 09:24

        Not so easy: My mate had to have one fitted, only 2 makers, measures a large range of parameters and stores it in internal memory. Periodic read outs will quickly show if a cheat attempt was made.
        Personally I would prefer better theft protection measures and after one has had a conviction perhaps a device where the license needs to be tapped and its trips logged for a certain period.

        Sadly alcohol is still the killer number one.

    • Cluster on 05/02/2020 - 13:13

      You and I are. Either through government subsidies (from taxpayers), or every car owner.

      And as you mention, the devices must be calibrated every 6 months to maintain accuracy. Can't use cheap MEMS sensors either, as they deliver incredibly high readings after using substances that contain no alcohol, like toothpaste. The devices have to be fuel cell based.

      Don't forget that you'll need to deliver multiple tests during your drive too. This is to prevent a sober 'friend' blowing into the device for you so the car starts up.

      • Slippery Fish on 05/02/2020 - 18:49
        -2

        I see a market for stoners like me to sell bagged breath… $10 for 10 bags.

        • sauce2k6 on 07/02/2020 - 18:06

          why? So we can get done for drug driving instead you idiot? How about we have more random drug testing to keep (profanity) like this off the road

          • Slippery Fish on 07/02/2020 - 18:46
            +1

            @sauce2k6: I did write another word which it autocorrected to stoners but be abusive man. You do you.

    • HeWhoKnows on 06/02/2020 - 08:13
      +9

      Another do-gooder that expects everyone else to pay

      And suggests that WE are all offenders and need to have this device.

    • SlavOz on 07/02/2020 - 08:22
      +1

      The driver pays. It becomes another part of your car that needs to be serviced and maintained, just like your stoplight or brake pads.

  • jorf on 05/02/2020 - 13:02
    +73

    Lol.. that's just stupid. Nanny state attitude at it's finest.

    • ripprind on 05/02/2020 - 21:12
      -6

      So you not supposed to use a phone or do anything else distracting while driving but we introduce this contraption?!
      Or would we have to stop the car to do another test during the trip?

      BS! I predict that this rediculous idea will save some lives, which will be offset by the amount of suicides produced by living in an ever more controlled police state.

  • crashloaded on 05/02/2020 - 13:06
    +9

    It is very hard to be proactive in this area. We also don't know if alcohol was the only contributing drug in this circumstance. A lot of people on other substances, some of them prescribed, cause death on our roads. An alcohol interlock will not stop those people.

  • one man clan on 05/02/2020 - 13:06
    +6

    Voted no because I think it's pointless and there's simply no way a policy like this would ever get off the ground. Too many "nanny state" people

  • spackbace on 05/02/2020 - 13:06
    +38

    I don't drink and drive, why should I pay for something like that?

    What's to stop someone's passenger, or a complete stranger, blowing into the system for them?

    • pjetson on 05/02/2020 - 13:23

      What's to stop someone's passenger, or a complete stranger, blowing into the system for them?

      According to VicRoads:

      Your alcohol interlock has a camera that takes pictures during each trip, such as when you blow into the interlock to start the vehicle or when taking a breath test after the vehicle starts. It’s very important that all drivers blow into the alcohol interlock when requested so that the camera can take a clear full face image of the driver.

      • spackbace on 05/02/2020 - 13:24
        +3

        Face recognition though, or manually checked? Easy enough to manually check now, but imagine the manpower needed to manually check every driver on the road

        And face recognition can be fooled pretty easily on a few modern devices

        • pjetson on 05/02/2020 - 13:30

          Manually checked, I guess when you apply for the interlock to be removed, or if you fail a test.

          • DogGunn on 05/02/2020 - 13:38
            +1

            @pjetson: From what I understand, it's checked by the company, who will then provide a print out of false matches to the Magistrate when the person goes to apply to have it removed (in VIC).

        • wizzy on 05/02/2020 - 13:34

          I wonder if someone could blow up a small balloon of air the night before (as suggested by orangetrain above), put it in their mouth before they enter the car, then pierce the balloon with their teeth (or some other method) while placing their mouth over/near the interlock?

    • shaybisc on 07/02/2020 - 07:47

      Fear of a manslaughter charge perhaps, or whatever the charge is for assisting someone in a manslaughter. I'm sure the prosecutor will think of something.

  • jace88 on 05/02/2020 - 13:09
    -4

    I was most intrigued by these devices but at $2500 p/a or so (I vaguely recall that's the estimate provided in one of the FAQs), I don't think it's something which all taxpayers should have (or even all car buyers). I'm broadly supportive of a 0 BAC level since it removes ambiguity but to mandate installing these devices just seems oer the top. From a conceptual perspective under the current system, I actually like how it provides a 'way out' to maintain their ability to get around for those who have an offence but still keeping the community safe.

    • Spam Service on 06/02/2020 - 08:09
      +17

      I'm against a 0% BAC for the opposite reason. It's very easy to blow over 0% without drinking any alcohol - orange juice can cause it, some common medicines can too, and depending on your gut bacteria, even bread.

      • Mister LoLPants on 06/02/2020 - 08:42
        +11

        and on 0% BAC, in the case we are all alluding too, the guy was miles over the limit, changing the barrier was never going to stop him, or the vast majority of cases where the person does not care one bit about the law, this guy didnt slip over the limit, he knowingly hurdled it

        Similar to constantly bring down speed limits when there are high speed accidents, the people speeding dont care and it just affects the rest of us.

        If there was a surge of accidents with people blowing 0.02 or some such then there could be an argument for it but it just simply isnt the case

      • jace88 on 07/02/2020 - 00:14
        +3

        Fair point. My sentiment wasn’t so much about trying to make it 0 BAC because I agree that sometimes anything can trigger it, but what I’ve always found confusing is how can they expect someone to know what their BAC level is at any point in time. If they say the limit is X or Y (measured either as a % or even in terms of standard drinks), it’s not like everyone can consistently apply it (since alcohol affects everyone differently) or reliably measure it in the same way as whether you’re exceeding the speed limit. There’s no easy answer unfortunately.

        • Bidet Mate on 07/02/2020 - 08:16
          +2

          I agree with the ambiguity. One thing that really irks me is that when my older siblings were getting their licences it was routine to be able to go in to the police station and do a voluntary breatho to see if they could drive which helped them establish baselines for their own bodies, but it's no longer allowed, so the best I have to go on is shitty internet calculators or buyable breatho's that all explicitly say they are not accurate enough for court.
          Because of this I just self impose a 0% BA and just walk if I've had more than a beer. It's not that I don't think I'm fit to drive, I just don't trust the police equipment/system that is deliberately vague with what would ultimately be the end of my career, licence and really the quality of my life going forward.
          /rant

  • bobbified on 05/02/2020 - 13:19
    +71

    The government loves people like this. So simple minded.

    On the dash next to that alcohol interlock, we'll have a drug interlock and next to that, a lack-of-sleep interlock and also an attitude interlock.

    It'll be like playing a harmonica each time you need to start the car.

    This is how we get these knee-jerk laws that makes the government look like they're doing something without actually doing anything.

    What we need are well thought out changes.

    • ascorbic on 05/02/2020 - 13:28
      +9

      attitude interlock

      **** me dead! It would be like those ridiculous 'personality tests' that companies seem to be obsessed with using for hiring.

      • ProlapsedHeinous on 05/02/2020 - 17:20
        +20

        You're driving nowhere with that attitude buddy.

    • montorola on 05/02/2020 - 13:38
      +1

      attitude interlock.

      Haha, that'd easily weed out all the teenage P-Platers

      In that case, bring it on!!! lol

    • AnneThrope on 05/02/2020 - 13:44
      +12

      Don't forget the Captcha - don't want any drunk/stoned, sleepy, cranky robots behind the wheel.

      Full disclosure : I am not a robot, fellow meatsacks.

      • Bargain80 on 05/02/2020 - 17:28
        +1

        maybe replace all that with IQ testing device.

        • D C on 05/02/2020 - 19:42

          Ooh, yes please!

          • Ulysses31 on 06/02/2020 - 13:05

            @D C: Need to pass EQ test, first.

            • D C on 06/02/2020 - 16:00

              @Ulysses31:

              pass EQ test, first.

              And we'll be here on Monday to install your testing device. Drive safe now!

      • lachhelix on 06/02/2020 - 09:54
        +4

        Are you human?
        "Negative, I am a meat popsicle"

        • Mosher on 06/02/2020 - 13:05

          How dare you say that

          Now I'm in the mood to watch the 5th element

    • [Deactivated] on 05/02/2020 - 16:03
      +38

      How can you be opposed to such a game changing instrument?

      Think of the innocent children!

      This device will literally reduce the number of drunk drivers and potentially save millions on disabilty and medicare funds.

      If you'd like to talk money, I ask you, how much is an innocent life worth? We shouldn't be contemplating if we can afford to implement this technological advancement, we should understand that we cannot afford not to!

      Anyone opposed to this idea is either a drunkard motorist or does not treasure human life.

      We must act now,
      Major shareholder of interlock device company.

      • DaneD on 05/02/2020 - 18:10
        +3

        That was GOLD sir. Really got me at the end.

      • Laurana on 05/02/2020 - 18:34
        +2

        I’m reasonably new on this site, but I was quite proud to have read enough of your posts to guess the ending :p. Solid gold!

      • Slippery Fish on 05/02/2020 - 18:54
        -1

        Lol a bullet for the injured and the person who hit them is a cheaper method. We are at 2.5 deaths per birth, we can afford some more deaths.

        • [Deactivated] on 05/02/2020 - 19:16
          +1

          We are at 2.5 deaths per birth.

          Sir, that would require some to die multi deaths.

      • abb on 07/02/2020 - 09:57
        +1

        This is a terrible idea.
        But! If you pay me royalties for every device sold, I will spruik this spiel and have it made into law.

        Sincerely,
        Politician.

        • [Deactivated] on 07/02/2020 - 11:04

          Ah, may I reword your proposition to minimise any untoward remarks and incriminating language. We wouldn't want a fine politician such as yourself to be charged with allegedly accepting bribes.

          This is an excellent idea!

          I cannot wait to share your offer at our next meeting. It is most generous. Thank you.

          Of course, such a monumental improvement will require significant political will. I suggest we first issue a survey and once implemented, we retain a PR specialist to ensure continued good faith in the device. I will make the necessary arrangements for your offer to move forward.

          To safety, to life,
          Politician

  • Seraphin7 on 05/02/2020 - 13:22
    +19

    No thanks. I'm pretty right for government intervention in my life at the moment. Thanks for the offer though.

  • payton on 05/02/2020 - 13:22
    +3

    Probably the focus should be on deterring repeat drink driving offence

  • Hybroid on 05/02/2020 - 13:26
    +7

    Change.org is a multimillion dollar for-profit organisation that harvests and sells off users data. The petitions literally mean nothing. You're wasting your time.

    • spackbace on 05/02/2020 - 13:35

      You're wasting your time.

      Well, that and the fact it's had 2 signatures (1 being OP), and the "No" votes on here tally 34 at the time of writing this ;)

      • CMH on 05/02/2020 - 17:02

        2:129 at the moment.

      • CMH on 07/02/2020 - 21:00
        +2

        We should go on and support the Random Ozbargainer.

        See if we can get more hearts on his comment than people signing for his petition :P

        • spackbace on 13/02/2020 - 17:33

          Dammit it's been deleted

    • Mister LoLPants on 06/02/2020 - 08:44
      +1

      but, but, i spent 35 seconds of my life following a link, im politically active

  • Ryanek on 05/02/2020 - 13:36
    +1

    we want to see this technology made mandatory for all cars

    You won't get many votes with this requisite. You might have a better change if it applies to only repeat offenders.

  • Archi on 05/02/2020 - 13:39
    +4

    I started this petition just now. I am interested in knowing your opinion on this

    now you know what every one thinks.

  • indium on 05/02/2020 - 13:44
    +1

    If it's the people who sign yes to this petition and not the government who are paying for it then I am fine with it being compulsory.

  • jjjaar on 05/02/2020 - 13:55
    -7

    Can we also have a device that knows the speed limit of a road and blocks the car from speeding?

    • pegaxs on 05/02/2020 - 14:01
      +3

      There was a rule being tossed about that all new vehicle sold in the EU had to have a black-box installed that the police could tap into at any time and get your driving history and that insurance could use to determine what to charge you for insurance.

      I made a post about it last year… So, that technology will filter down to Australia, eventually if implemented.

    • Gronk on 05/02/2020 - 15:17
      -1

      Can we also have a device that knows the speed limit of a road and blocks the car from speeding?

      Like those ones that are 'supposed' to limit trucks to 100kph?

      • pegaxs on 05/02/2020 - 17:10

        Oh, this old chestnut…

        Not every truck has one, older trucks don’t usually have them and they only limit the top speed of the truck, not to the speed limit they are in.

        And people are usually comparing it to their cars speedo that reads anywhere up to 10% faster than what the car is actually going.

    • berry580 on 05/02/2020 - 18:01
      -4

      Not sure why you got negged. There's merits to the suggestions.

      Sounds like people doesn't wish to be stopped from speeding in Australia as it's unAustralian.

      • brendanm on 05/02/2020 - 18:08

        Correct. How would you overtake to start with?

      • [Deactivated] on 05/02/2020 - 18:24
        +9

        Some of us appreciate whatever little liberty we have remaining.

        If we wanted to be under glorious leader's watchful eye, we would have moved to some shithole communist dictatorship utopia.

        • berry580 on 06/02/2020 - 17:01
          -2

          Like the liberty of getting drunk and smashing into little kids?

          • [Deactivated] on 06/02/2020 - 17:28
            +2

            @berry580: Maybe you cannot seperate the two. Most of us can.

      • Lockieasy on 05/02/2020 - 20:37
        +1

        I'd stop speeding on highways if they would raise the damn limit to 130km/h already like the roads are designed for.

      • jjjaar on 05/02/2020 - 23:12
        -4

        It sure does seem that way.

        More people have died in Victoria so far in 2020 than those in Australia that have Coronavirus, but hey, let’s not worry about their lives because I wanna speed!

  • pegaxs on 05/02/2020 - 13:58
    -1

    Yeah, that's not going to work. Bottle of compressed air in the car, regulate it, blow it down the tube, drive your car ??? profit!!

  • godofpizza on 05/02/2020 - 14:21

    what's next drugs/fatigue?

    how would you be able to test this.
    you have to solve a crossword puzzle to pass the fatigue competencies

    • Slippery Fish on 05/02/2020 - 18:58
      +1

      I can't do them at my most alert lol

  • Oz8argain on 05/02/2020 - 14:22
    +6

    guys I am also starting a petition: a televised hunger games for the drivers who are caught drink driving. this Reduce drink driving and provide entertainment! I see this as an absolute win!

    • pegaxs on 05/02/2020 - 14:33
      +1

      Wouldn't work. I would take up drink driving, just to get on the show, just to slaughter other drink drivers! :D

    • Slippery Fish on 05/02/2020 - 18:59
      +1

      And the losers bodies could be cooked on Australia's next top canable cook.

    • Ughhh on 06/02/2020 - 01:25

      Might backfire. People will do anything to get on TV and be famous these days.

      • abb on 07/02/2020 - 13:47

        blur their faces and bleep out any mention of names

  • Adz81 on 05/02/2020 - 14:37
    +5

    How's get (profanity) sound?

    • Plug on 08/02/2020 - 12:53

      If that began with an F it sounds good to me.

  • o53djz7qTPY4der on 05/02/2020 - 14:41
    +2

    Let’s get to 100!

    We're almost there, 76 so far.

    • spackbace on 05/02/2020 - 16:26
      +1

      Yay, we surpassed it!

      • o53djz7qTPY4der on 05/02/2020 - 17:24
        +2

        As a community, I think we could achieve great things.

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