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[REFURB] Lenovo Miix 320 2-in-1, 10.1" Touch/Intel Atom/4GB/32GB eMMC/Keyboard/W10 $151 Delivered @ GraysOnline eBay

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LKingJulian on 16/10/2018 - 14:08 ebay.com.au (674 clicks)
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Bargain 2-in-1 laptop/tablet for schoolkids, or a ultralight second device.
This is a Lenovo refurb from Grays, with 12 month warranty.

Only $151 delivered, 1280x800 10" screen, 1.0kg with keyboard, 4GB, 32GB eMMC.
Touchscreen, but no active pen support. Storage expandable with micro-SD.
The big plus is the low weight and long battery life.
Looks like a clone of the Microsoft Surface Go. Without keyboard, it is similar size and weight to an older iPad.

The catch is the modest Cherry Trail CPU, but with 4GB of RAM, it will be more than adequate for Windows 10 with typical web, educational use, media player etc.
The keyboard is going to be cosy too for a grown man.

I think a 2017 model, now discontinued. Did I mention only $151?

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  • Steptoe on 16/10/2018 - 14:15
    +1

    Condition: Manufacturer refurbished

    Led to believe most Grays items are Seller Refurbished

    • KingJulian on 16/10/2018 - 14:17

      Yes, but most "seller refurbished" are very used and just wiped clean.
      The Grays Lenovos with 12 month warranty have been good.

      • pennypincher98 on 16/10/2018 - 14:19

        It's actually only a 3 (or 6, depending) month warranty card in the box.

        Don't know which they would honour.

        • peter_mcc on 16/10/2018 - 14:30

          Surely they would have to honour the warranty on the eBay page. I've just bought one and printed out the listing which shows 12 month warranty (just in case…)

        • KingJulian on 16/10/2018 - 14:42

          Grays have a lot of near-new devices bought in bulk from Lenovo.
          They provide their own 12-month warranty on these.

          The shorter warranty would be for ex-govt, ex-corporate used models.

        • [Deactivated] on 16/10/2018 - 15:02
          +1

          If the listing says 12mths when you buy it, then it's 12mths.

          If in doubt, PDF the listing. they can't backtrack after they've sent you the item. (as opposed to a pricing error which they can change before they dispatch the item).

          If the seller disappears, then that's a problem, but since this is Grays Online, who've been around online since ~2000, but started as an auction business back in the 1920's. They're unlikey going to disappear tomorrow.

          But the listing explicitly states

          This product comes with a 12 months warranty against manufacturing faults and defects. Warranty is managed by GraysOnline

          They're not a small entity either
          http://www.graysonline.com/aboutus/

          GraysOnline is a member of Eclipx Group, an ASX-listed diversified financial services company.

          But as always, if in doubt, email them and ask the question. Then you get a reply in writing. WHich is about as good as you can get. You could also ask who manages the repairs, because they usually buy the warranty off a third party, who manages it. In theory even if Grays disappeared, you should still have warranty through the third party.

          • Samsungnote10 on 16/10/2018 - 15:46

            @[Deactivated]: i have purchased grays refuburished laptop before
            listing said 12 months,
            card in box said 3 or 6
            i contacted them and they said its 12
            did a warranty claim in the first week, it was fine,

            I assume it was fine for the full 12 months

  • pennypincher98 on 16/10/2018 - 14:17
    +4

    Intel Atom/4GB/32GB eMMC

    That's three strikes in my opinion.

    You get what you pay for I guess though.

    • Ostrk on 16/10/2018 - 14:18

      4GB RAM isn't so bad. The other two however…
      By far the biggest problem will be the CPU. Even if it had 2gb of RAM the CPU would still bottleneck badly.

  • Ostrk on 16/10/2018 - 14:17

    I used a laptop with similar specs and I can tell you that you will help yourself so much if you use a lightweight linux distro. Something like Xubuntu which is lightweight but still aesthetically pleasing.

    • KingJulian on 16/10/2018 - 14:19

      Was it 4GB? I'd expect regular Ubuntu to run fine on this.

      Obviously this deal would have been better as a Chromebook than running Windows :-)

      • Ostrk on 16/10/2018 - 14:21

        Oh yes Ubuntu will run fine. I just don't recommend anyone to use it with the reputation Canonical has right now. Any arch based distros are too difficult for most people so something like Mint would be great for those switching from Windows.
        I do admit my one had 2GB ram (only just realised :p) but storage also becomes a problem if you use Windows. Thankfully with Linux I had over 25GB left after OS and most linux distros come with the basics so it's very unlikely you would need more than that for a PC like this.

        • BadGiraffe on 16/10/2018 - 14:25

          Ey? What's up with Canonical? I just dumped Windows for Ubuntu 18.04 on the weekend.

          • Ostrk on 16/10/2018 - 14:29

            @BadGiraffe: They're generally seen as untrustworthy to a lot of people. Might just be BS rumours in the linux community as we know 'smart people' love hating on mainstream things or could be true. I generally do not recommend it in the off chance that it is true but I have used Ubuntu before and had no problems with it of the regard whatsoever. If you like it I see no reason to switch because of what someone else thinks of the company.
            If it makes you feel any better, even if it's all true they are still not a fraction as bad as Microsoft are so I see no reason to worry if you're switching from Windows for the first time. Like I said it's just stuck up linux 'experts' who think that way.

            • BadGiraffe on 16/10/2018 - 14:41

              @Ostrk: I know in the past there was this huge thing with Canonical integrating Amazon in the OS. But that was back in the day when they had Unity. 2 reasons why I didn't stick with them.

              Ubuntu with GNOME runs (almost) flawlessly. I was on Xubuntu for a bit last year, but GNOME is just prettier.

              For years I was on Mint, but after a year or two, I didn't see any real difference between Ubuntu and Mint in terms of hardware recognition or usability.

              I'm back on Ubuntu mostly because Valve tend to favour Ubuntu over other distros for the Linux versoin of Steam.

        • No on 16/10/2018 - 15:16

          Any tips for getting Ubuntu on one of these crappy netbooks? I have a Acer Switch which I suspect would work a lot better with Ubuntu but I just couldn't get it to boot off USB to build it. Tried newest BIOS etc it just won't recognise a USB stick or MicroSD with Ubuntu on it. I can boot off the USB on my desktop fine.

          • Ostrk on 16/10/2018 - 15:30

            @No: Have you tried going into bios and selecting legacy to see if it shows up then? or vice versa

          • BadGiraffe on 16/10/2018 - 15:42

            @No: You and me both. I spent months (soooo many months…) trying to figure it out, and the short answer is it's too much trouble for what it's worth.

            I read some stuff about the BIOS being 32-bit or something, which I didn't even think was a thing. There was some other stuff I read as well that didn't make a whole lot of sense.

            I think I got as far as maybe booting CloudReady on it, but that's it. Couldn't install it or anything, so I gave up. My Switch 10 is sitting in my drawer at the moment. Windows got a little too sluggish for me.

            • Ostrk on 16/10/2018 - 15:43

              @BadGiraffe: Very strange. I know nothing so I can't really help but for me any USB worked. I just downloaded the distros and used rufus and everything worked.

              • BadGiraffe on 16/10/2018 - 15:46

                @Ostrk: Did it work for you on similiar devices like these low end Win10 devices?

                I have an 8 year old Asus netbook that runs Xubuntu quite alright. But that had Windows XP on it. None of that locked down UEFI business.

                • Ostrk on 16/10/2018 - 15:53

                  @BadGiraffe: I never had problems with a Dell Inspiron 11 3000 or a Lenovo Ideapad 100S which are the two laptops I would compare to this in terms of specs.

          • KingJulian on 17/10/2018 - 11:56

            @No:

            Any tips for getting Ubuntu on one of these crappy netbooks?

            Yes: google it. Others have done it. You may need to change BIOS settings.

            https://www.google.com.au/search?q=miix+320+linux
            https://esc.sh/blog/linux-on-lenovo-miix-320/

            You need to disable secure boot, and edit the grub boot parameters.

            It boots more easily on my Miix 520 (big brother of this). No wifi though. Probably needs binary drivers.
            And screen rotation is wrong, so I had to turn 90 degrees, lock it and turn back :-)
            So would need some work. Easier to run Linux in a VM :)

  • [Deactivated] on 16/10/2018 - 14:41
    +1

    Hell I’ll give it a try. I’ll run win7 on it.

  • KingJulian on 16/10/2018 - 14:46

    Well,
    somebody must like these, because eBay sold 4 in the 15 minutes after I posted. I should be on commission :)

    An Atom-based ultralight is like riding a moped. Fun until your mates see you.

    • BadGiraffe on 16/10/2018 - 14:53

      This processor isn't actually too bad. I had a 2-in-1 with the same processor, but on 2 GB or RAM. Still ran alright. Good enough to stream Steam games, believe it or not.

      I found the later Windows updates really bogged it down though.

  • ozwog05 on 16/10/2018 - 14:52
    +3

    The IdeaCentre 510s i5 looks pretty good for the price ($359.20 after discount)

  • Stefce on 16/10/2018 - 15:10

    Had a Intel pc on a stick with a similar processor, these are horrendously slow to use I would not bother at all.

  • [Deactivated] on 16/10/2018 - 16:39
    +1

    Well I went for a shower and now it’s OOS. Actually that’s good, why would I want another toy junk item

  • FLICKIT on 16/10/2018 - 16:42

    Damn, disappointed I missed this :(

  • [Deactivated] on 16/10/2018 - 16:55
    +1

    this would also make a good laptop. N4200 is tearing apart all the Atom models, power efficient, 8GB RAM, 128GB SSD.

    • Ostrk on 16/10/2018 - 21:35

      Not bad tbh.
      $240 for a laptop with 8GB RAM and an SSD and it comes with warranty on top of that. Not as good as Gumtree but you get warranty.

    • KingJulian on 16/10/2018 - 22:42

      Good for a very different purpose though.
      At more than double the weight, and half the battery life, it suits a desk rather than a schoolbag.

  • beaker on 17/10/2018 - 15:13
    +2

    Back in stock for the moment.

    Bought one yesterday thanks! Will be handy for my application.

    • FLICKIT on 17/10/2018 - 16:26

      Champion! I got one THANKYOU :D

  • peter_mcc on 18/10/2018 - 14:20
    +2

    12 month warranty slip in the box.
    Mine arrived today - seems ok. Tried doing all the Win 10 updates and it locked up coming out of sleep mode (I forgot to plug it in) - second attempt now

  • FLICKIT on 18/10/2018 - 17:56
    +1

    Hardware Maintenance manual and such is here:
    https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/au/en/products/tablets/miix-ser…

  • ihfree on 19/10/2018 - 00:28

    Received today.

    First thing I've done is updating it to a current build of Windows. I've used the media creation tool to download the ISO and run the install from a flash drive(with one additional one for space). So far, it's taken about 2.5 hours to get to 84%, though there was a long period of time where it was stuck at 8 or 9%. Not looking forward to installing the October update in a week or two.

    • bargaino on 22/10/2018 - 21:52

      How did you go with 1803?
      How much free space after? Does it create a "Wim Boot" install like the Lenovo image?

      Is it possible to upgrade in place from 1703 using SD or USB storage for temp files?

      • FLICKIT on 22/10/2018 - 22:44

        I cant comment on the Miix, mine hasn't arrived yet, but I've been using a cheap chinese 8" tablet for a couple of years when traveling on a motorbike, it has similar specs to the Miix but only 2GB of ram and Z8300 CPU… win10-64… It's certainly no supercomputer but it's adequate for light work… (I use it for a bit of browsing, mapping, editing photos, watching vids in the tent at night, transferring gopro footage off memory cards, and such)

        I updated it to 1803 the other day, no issues, (I've been on the road for the last 5 months so it hadn't been updated since early may)… With a few applications installed it has 12GB free out of the 27GB available…

        Originally it was dual boot, about 14gig for android and 14gig for Windows, that was a pain in the neck, there was barely enough room for the win updates so they often failed… I ended up ditching the Android partition about 18 months ago so windows could have full use of the drive, I haven't had an issue with updates since..

        After major updates I run disk cleanup and empty the SoftwareDistribution\Download folder, and when possible I install applications onto the micro SD card (128gb)…

        • bargaino on 23/10/2018 - 02:45

          Thanks, 12GB should be plenty, along with the fixed SD card for media.

          • FLICKIT on 23/10/2018 - 13:06

            @bargaino: It seems the Miix might use Wim Boot, there's mention of it on page 26 of the user manual:
            https://download.lenovo.com/consumer/mobiles_pub/lenovo_miix…

            • bargaino on 23/10/2018 - 13:37

              @FLICKIT: Yes it does, as configured by Lenovo.
              I was wondering if you also get it when doing a clean install from USB.
              It turns out no, but still uses less storage than the old OS.
              Clean install plus updates seems to have everything working except automatic screen rotation. (help?)

              Trying to do a major Win-10 upgrade via Windows Update on a 32GB eMMC is an exercise for masochists.
              Unfortunately, Windows will attempt major upgrades with no permission, and your free space disappears.
              How to stop this?

              • FLICKIT on 23/10/2018 - 14:10
                +1

                @bargaino: To stop updates on my little tablet I set the WIFI as a "Metered Connection":
                https://support.microsoft.com/en-au/help/4028458/windows-met…

                • bargaino on 23/10/2018 - 14:19

                  @FLICKIT: Thanks.
                  Would be nice though to be able to get security and bugfix updates, but not forced major upgrades every year or so.

                  Auto-screen rotate resolved now (enough reboots?) - I think that is everything working!

                  • FLICKIT on 24/10/2018 - 19:12

                    @bargaino: How much free space did you end up with?

                    I had:
                    13.6gb free at new, as delivered (with Wim Boot)
                    16.7gb free after a clean 1803 install (without Wim Boot)
                    11.1gb after updates-drivers-chrome install, and clean up…

                    Odd, less free space than my little chinese tablet that hasn't had a clean install for about 18 months, lol

                    Edit: I suspect my 8" win tablet might be compressing windows files automatically… I found this:
                    https://www.windowscentral.com/how-reduce-windows-10-footpri…
                    Compact OS technically is a replacement for WIMBoot which offered similar advantages. You can still use it, but the new mechanism is a lot easier to set up and deploy.

                    I ran the Compact OS query command on the MIIX:
                    The system is not in the Compact state but may become compact as needed.

                    so it sounds like it may compress files as needed on small drives, which might be why my tablet install is fairly small.. Anyway, I ran the "Compact OS" command on the Miix:
                    Completed Compressing OS binaries.
                    37113 files within 17021 directories were compressed.
                    7,757,439,268 total bytes of data are stored in 4,281,697,512 bytes.
                    The compression ratio is 1.8 to 1.

                    I ended up with 14GB free after that

                    • bargaino on 24/10/2018 - 20:52

                      @FLICKIT: Only 8.5GB free after 1803, updates, chrome, a couple of users.
                      Hopefully enough, but depends what apps the kid needs installed for school.

                      Will keep "Compact OS" in mind in case ever needed. Thanks.
                      Could also get rid of the 1GB recovery partition.

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