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Not as cheap as the deal from the TGG a few months back, but good enough
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/350211
Can easily pair up with the Breville Smart Grinder and also purchase the beans from Manna Beans.
Breville BES920 Dual Boiler $710.40 (or + Delivery) @ Bing Lee eBay
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Lxaykogeki on 19/07/2018 - 19:22 ebay.com.au (1799 clicks)
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thank you for letting us know
Yes, thank you. I certainly learnt a lot about him.
Anyone know Jeff Bezos?
I'd like one of these. plzz
Can I warn others that there are a number of design issues with this machine.
1. The portafilla handle will eventual come loose from the handle and then break. Replacement $50-100
2. The protfilla cradle is made of plastic. Joke. After 3years it will wear out and coffee will leak out. Replacement collar $200 installed.
3. The pumps will eventually wear out and the pressure wont get up to where it needs to. That can be covered all in one as a service and part replacement. $300
4. There are general issues with the pre programmed pours. Not regular times. Even when set correctly as instructions.
Also you will need the water filters replaced regularly.They make a good grinder.
Can you let us know every time that you aren't buying something? That would be just great!
previous poster is actually a judge on Shark Tank, so is contractually obliged to notify when not partaking in a deal.
I don't understand the downvotes mate, there's no harm in joining into a discussion.
Thanks for the heads up. Looks like it’s back to watching the European machines.
I swear by these machines, I've bought 3 of them in a row. Yes some things can go wrong (worn out pumps, leaks), but I haven't had to pay more than $150 for a service every 2 years. This is with making 3 or 4 coffees every day.
Same.
In case anyone is considering one, we've had ours for 4 years and it still runs like a dream. Dedbny has used very strong (and factually incorrect) statements to scare people off buying but you wont find another dual boiler this good for anywhere near $700.
We love ours :)
@jebus Fact. Theses are repairs done to my machine and other owners have posted similar issues. I paid alot more than this current price so ok for what it is now to issues. Ive gone through 2 handles and only just over 3 years old using it daily to make 2 - 3 coffee a day.
They may not all have these issues, but likely over time with use.
i mean i don't doubt that these are issues that (s)he has actually encountered, but I think you'd have to be pretty unlucky - Breville sell a lot of these units so I think the failure rate is probably less than people think. it's worth mentioning the BES920 is well-regarded over at coffeesnobs.com.au and frequently recommended over more expensive and Italian-made machines.
As Harro said, I don't doubt you've had issues with your machine, but you said there are inherent design flaws which cause parts to die within 3 years, and that's factually incorrect. Myself and others below have all said their 4+ year old machines haven't exhibited these issues is proof enough that there is no design flaw that effects everyone. The fact is that it's mass produced in China so you're more likely to have issues with this than an Italian made machine, but you're also paying a quarter of the price…
"pumps will eventually wear out"
- Of course it will, you're using it multiple times every single day… The chances of this happening within 6 years would be small. One user below who DID have his wear out, said it was a $50 replacement that he fixed himself."you will need the water filters replaced regularly."
- The fact it even has a water filter is a positive. They should be changed every 3 months, and a pack of 12 costs $30…Coffee machines are relatively simple mechanically, but they need love too. Fortunately the BES920 has great self cleaning modes making descaling and group head cleaning straight forward procedures.
@harro112:
@haarro112 For the current price its good value. All machine will have wear and tear and need servicing. As for coffeesnobs did they do a long term review? I'm not saying dont buy. Just be aware. I've now spent another $500 in last 6 months and maybe looking at another $50 for handle. So should have looked at a new one rather than repair. So if a current owner finds themselves in same position maybe just get a new one. I'd love to get another Rocket. But cant justify in my head the $3.6k price. 15 years ago I purchased one for $2300. Lasted 10years with minimal issues. Only sold it as the Breville looked easier to use. Still sold the Rocket for 1k.on Gumtree. Rock solid and reliable.
I wish they weren't so loud. If you make a few shots in a row it's a bit of a racket.
It's more about the reference point. A Rancilio Silvia for instance retails for a similar price, but you might only need to pay $30 to replace the rubber washers every 4-5 years, and they routinely serve for 10+ years (my own one is about 11 years old now) It's true though, that the Silvia is a single boiler without a PID, so is undoubtedly less capable than this machine
Get a second hand Rancilio Silvia. Almost no plastic, all spare parts easily purchased online and relatively easy to install. Lasts for years.
perhaps not quite a pretty as this machine…Seconded, wonderful machines for the price.
+1 for Rancilio Silvia. Got mine 15 years ago second hand, spent less than $100 for maintenance replacing seals etc.
Not as pretty looking but produced very good coffee
Did you mod it with a PID?
Just sold my Lelit Combi (circa 2007 model) today for close to what I purchased it second hand 8 years ago. An 11 year old machine with built in grinder ; In that time I've been able to do all services myself, replaced a power button and a few gaskets/washers. The brass boiler, element, pump, burr grinder etc have all worked perfectly with no issues. Like the Rancilio, these Italian machines were built to last - though they have no fancy gimmicks/electronics etc.
I upgraded to a newer second-hand lelit combi!
Or even a new Silvia.
They're going for $849 at the moment - very little more than this Breville.
There's also the Lelit PL41LEM, which looks quite nice, at $829.
Both of these prices include free shipping.
And after all - how many of us actually NEED a dual boiler for normal everyday use?
i certainly don't doubt a silvia would last a lot longer than this machine, but i think you'll get better coffee out of this with PID temp control and the dedicated boiler for steam (the steamer on the 920 is incredible). silvias also need to be warmed up for half an hour before you do anything, whereas the 920 will be firing on all cylinders in under 5 minutes.
Just to clarify about the Sylvia.
According to a couple of dealer web sites, with the E version (not the M) - if the "auto cutoff after 30 minutes" is activated, and you switch the machine on again, it doesn't mean you have to wait 20mins for it to warm up again, as the machine will already be warmed (it may just require 1-2 minutes to get the machine up to brewing or steaming temperature).
EDIT Or maybe that's not right!
Jetblack Expresso states "There is an "E" version of the Silvia available on some websites. This version is specifically to meet European regulations and is designed to let the Silvia cool down if left on for more than 30mins - which is a disaster given we recommend the Silvia be pre-warmed for at least 30 minutes! We only stock the "M" for this reason."
Silvia doesn't need to warm up for half an hour… I switch it on and it's good to go in 10 minutes (or maybe that's just my old lo-tech version which I bought second-hand 5 years ago).
I've pretty damn good coffee out of it every day for the past 4 years, and great steam. Sure, it takes me 1 minute longer to make a milk-coffee because it's only single boiler, but I can handle that.
It's not for everyone, but with a little bit of practice, great coffee everytime… (unless my wife makes it)!(quality fresh roasted beans are more important that the machine making the coffee!).
each to their own.
Get the Silvia and spend six months making burnt coffee and scalded milk before you get it right.
It's a good coffee machine, but its a single boiler and very unforgiving in my experience. The breville would be much easier to use.
There is a reason why this machine with so many features is so cheap, you'll need to spend several times as much if you wanted all the same features but built well. For me I bought it understanding it's not made to last, when this breaks I'll be looking and spending 3000-5000 for a better quality version which will produce very similar results.
This is a home kitchen appliance so it's probably not built to last hence the lower relative price compared to a proper commercial grade espresso dual boiler at 4 times the price
I call BS on the above. I've had mine for close to 4 years now, pulled ~4000 shots and only had to replace a pump, which any semi-handy person can do and costs ~$50. If I had to completely replace the machine now I'd still be happy since it's more than paid for itself.
The Breville has plastic tubing and aluminum boilers and weighs 13.6kg. Prosumer double boilers have copper pipes, brass fittings and copper boilers, are double the weight and are built to do 4000 shots in 4 months.
The Breville has stainless steel boilers actually.
Also I think LoungeLizard was calling BS on the original post by Dedbny, not yours.
I'm 2.5 years in to this machine in a share house and have had 0 problems.
Machine is used 3 - 4 times daily for coffee and often at night for hot chocolates or mulled wines using steam wand.
We also purchased a few of these machines for farewell gifts for a bunch of former colleagues. They have now had them for 4 years and all are still working.
Maybe you have just has some bad luck or really poorly treated the machine.
Maybe maybe not.
Yep same boat, had ours about 2 years now, works perfect. Make sure you maintain it with the clean cycle etc will also help. Only complaint is how loud it is when you are starting it up, for 5-6 seconds its loud as anything.. but we use it 3-4x daily and no issues after 2yrs. makes awesome coffee
Are you sure you're referring to the 920, or the combined grinder model below it?
1. portafilter seems closer to quality as other commercial portafilter than a consumer grade one in my opinion.
2. not sure what you mean by cradle. If you're referring to the group head it's metal. There is a plastic water diffuser behind the shower screen though (I replaced it with an aftermarket stainless steel version that accepts IMS shower screen), you might be right about that one as I've only had my 920 a year.
4. Only used programmed buttons for the first few weeks. Use manual and a extract to beverage weight using a set of scales.
5. Yes water filters they suggest to be changed every 2 months. Any espresso machine you should be spending on water filtration regardless.As mentioned before, the 920 doesn't have a grinder built into the same unit.
1.Not great design. The metal part is only siliconed into handle. Once it gets loose you cant keep it in as theres a rubber sleeve.
2.Its the plastic collar that the porta filler locks into. Wear and tear. But should have bern made of ss steel.Look all fine for some, but over time there are these issues like any machine.
Had a closer look and indeed looks like the part that the portafilter ears lock into are plastic, thanks for pointing that out.
Is there any possibility the portafilter handle breaking and plastic collar wearing (prematurely compared to others here that have been using theirs without these issues for 3+ years) related and due to how it's used e.g. consistent use of excessive force or overtightening?
Have previously owned BES840, currently own the BES920 and I'm currently using the Rancilio Silvia (~10 years old) a my main machine due to living circumstances.
In terms of durability and repairability - of course the the Silvia wins hands down. Keep in mind that you'll also need to service it yourself and buy the parts (which can also be expensive) if you want to save money in comparison to servicing the Breville models.
Feature wise and (personally I think at least) quality of coffee produced by these machines - BES920 blows the Silvia it out of the water.
Wouldn't underestimate these features:
1) Dual boiler. On the Silvia not only can you not steam at the same time, you have to turn on the steamer and wait for it to heat up after pulled your shot before you can use it (and then refill the tank with a switch). I don't even bother making a milk coffee in the morning.
2) Temp & pressure readings. If you don't install a PID kit (~300AUD and good luck to you installing it) or 'temperature surf' the shot quality on the Silvia is poor. The temp on the Breville is constant (93c and configurable).
3) Shot timers. The adjustable shot timer on the Breville (30 sec default) allows you to get a perfect shot each time. Calibrate for each bag of beans.Breville might cost you a little more $ in the long run, but if you make coffees regularly at home it's a no-brainer. Personally I've had 0 faults with ~5.5 years ownership of the Breville line of machines. Would suggest getting extended warranty if you can anyway.
Oh and water filters - the Silvia doesn't even have one. Just take it out of the Breville if you don't want to spend money on it. They're cheap anyway, have a look on eBay.
Pretty much agree with all of this.
We have BOTH the BES920 and an 8yo Silvia. Both make good coffee. BUT the BES920 does it at an absolute canter. It preheats in the morning (built in timer) while I'm in the shower, it produces steam quickly and effectively, and there is no stuffing around making sure that you're in the right temperature zone for coffee making versus steaming. If some id#@t forgets to refill the water reservoir, the BES920 will refuse to make coffee - while the Silvia will overheat.
Incidentally(!), the BES920 does make pretty good coffee… :-) And without the steeper learning curve (and less consistent results) of the Silvia.
I'll happily use either machine - but it is the BES920 that is sitting on the bench right now. My kids (19-24) prefer it too.
It makes a minimum of 4 coffees every morning - that's 1.4k+ per annum. I'm not going to cry too much if it dies after a year or two - it's money well spent spread over that much output. The Silvia is definitely more industrial - but that doesn't stop a hefty repair bill when something non-user serviceable goes wrong.
I think that it is a no brainer.
That said, I still prefer my Rancilio 'Rocky' grinder to the Breville offerings. It doesn't matter how good your coffee machine is if your grinder doesn't do what you want it to do and/or you use rubbish beans.
Just buy the Sunbeam one when it's around $500 from Good Guys. The breville smart grinder for around $200 is fantastic
My $100 DeLonghi Dedica Pump Espresso - EC 685W seems to be working pretty well. I've combo'd it with the Breville Smart Grinder. Is this 7 times better?
How good is espresso from the machine? Does it have a strong rich flavor? I hate espresso tastes watery. On a scale of 1-10 what would you rate the machine? I've been watching this machine on Amazon since last sale
I have the same machine and grinder as cyrax. You can make good espresso if you put in time to experiment with the variables and it helps if you utilise a coffee scale however, steaming the milk is much more difficult since it uses a pannarello wand as opposed to the conventional steam wands.
These panny wands seem to introduce lots of air even when it is completely submerged and is very prone to creating dishwasher soap foam. My workaround to replicating microfoam is to completely submerge the wand with the Cappuccino setting (introduces air) and once the milk hits 15-25 degrees celsius, flick the wand to Hot Milk (heats the milk) and adjust the wand’s position/angle to vortex any of the large bubbles.
I got my machine in the low $100s, and I would say it is worth it if you are starting out. Any future upgrades, I would prioritise with a high-end grinder.
Thanks for the review. I'm not fazed experimenting if I can get some good espresso. I have a milk frother so probably won't use the wand.
I've your espresso is weak it's likely it's not the machine but the grind or the bean.
I've been using mine everyday for 4 years and hasnt skipped a beat. Great machine!
How would something like this go in an office of 30 people? Or do you think need something more durable?
Doubt it would last long in that environment to be honest. You're talking potentially 40 - 50 coffees a day, not to mention there are always people that will treat it terribly. You'd need at least a cheap commercial machine imo.
Unfortunately a cheap commercial machine is neither very cheap nor good
But I do agree look at a commercial machine as for a low volume office it will provide many years of good service
Consider also if your office will grow. If you expect to have 50+ people soon, a fully automated commercial machine like a Franke Pura might be the way to go. Coffee may be slightly worse but will minimise maintenance / downtime / lost time to errors etc.
I wouldn't consider a manual machine for an office.
Someone will do something wrong and break the machine or worse hurt themselves.
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Either way that means no coffee for everyone else which would be a disaster! :DMost offices should have automatic machines which require daily maintenance.
I bought it with the grinder yesterday, with ebay plus you get free delivery, total $869.60.
My machine was overheating way above the preset temperature and got me worried. This was just after two years and out of warranty but Breville was nice enough to repair for free.
That said for the price it's still a great purchase and I'd still recommend it. Obviously there's better machines but they would cost more. You get what you pay for.
Just bought the Breville Infuser BES840XL last month and thinking if I should just upgrade now(and sell off Infuser) :) Or that might just be too soon!
Same shit man.
Pump is all that matters.
I remember paying like $599 or $699 a while back with AMEX cards.
my mum on 19/07/2018 - 20:57 Comment score below threshold.
