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King Japanese Whetstones Triple Kit (220J-1000J-4000J) ~AU $72 Delivered @ Amazon JP

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Hi all, aspiring bikies,

long-time lurker first-time poster and the usual yadda-yadda. Do not be kind, I've seen enough OzBargain brawls to be able to cope. Bring it on!

Tired of having your biking fellows taking the piss out of you as they use their knives to make customized leather jackets, while you couldn't even remove some lints from "that suit"?
Ever jumped up full of confidence after playing fruit ninja on your phone, only to challenge an unarmed tomato with your knife and lose…badly?

Those times are over! Now you can make your knives so sharp that even the vacuum will not want to stay in front of that edge…you can hone your own frickin Alcubierre drive in the comfort of your, – probably overpriced – abode, hold it still in front of you, start running and warp through all the daily frustrations and difficulties! Disclaimer: that will cause GBH to you and others, charges, imprisonment and, possibly, the embedding in your soft tissues of fast propelled metal objects.

Order these three items:
https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B00KMZFI4Q
https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B000OT1ZOC
https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B0058PXGNU
And, as usual, pay these with your Citibank or similar to shave off (ah!) a few extra dollars from the exchange rate.
Delivered to Australia these came to about $72 yesterday, just ~$15 more than a previous deal for a similar object, but with better value than that.
Note that the first and last items are listed as low stock but with "more on the way".

Listed as Home & Garden, but it could probably be in Financial, considering the huge ROI you could get out of this if employed in a cle(a)ver way.

Pis.

Price History at C CamelCamelCamel.

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  • +1

    I've always wanted to learn how to sharpen a knife properly. Is it a tough skill to learn to do well?

    • +8

      It's quite easy. Have patience and consistency and you will succeed.

    • +1

      Not at all just watch the master - https://youtu.be/te1KIpGyz-4

      oh and grab your guide rails for beginners (or maybe even for Mr Global haha - very unfortunately) - http://www.kitchenwarehouse.com.au/Global-MinoSharp-Sharpeni…

      • +7

        Nay! No guide rails. Teach a man to drive on an unsynced manual gearbox and he will drive any car, teach him on an automatic and he will only drive automatic!
        Muscle memory will form surprisingly quickly. Just start with those blunt and bad homemakers branded knives you will surely find around, to practice on something cheap and easy to work on (usually cheap knives = softer steel and simple edge profile).

        It will take 20 minutes to get a good idea of the angle and movement to keep and YouTube have plenty of good videos, as mentioned.

        • I agree, using a guide will slow your learning curve. Also each knife starts with different angles from factory so you'll want to follow it for a easier sharpening instead of changing the whole angle.

    • +1

      No Its very easy however I recon you to have at least one sharpening guide.

      • +1

        The sharpening guide gouges the stone ….. Don't use guide ….

        • Nonsense. I've been using an Eclipse style guide for sharpening my chisels and plane irons for years, and the metal wheel it runs on does no such thing.

          For sharpening tools though, particularly plane irons where a flat stone is critical, a lapping plate should be used regularly to keep the stone dressed and flat.

    • +1

      plus you dont have to buy single grited stone unless you are professional. Buy double sided like 400/1000 stuff No need to go over 3000

      • +4

        Single grifted have their advantages and those are the exact same of the disadvantages.
        Unless you are an OzBargain hoarder already and any extra object is starting to fill the vital oxygen pockets left in your place, it is handy to have independent stones that you can replace independently (wear is not the only reason for replacement, sadly).

        Plus, if well tended and used these will likely last for the entire life of a professional chef and I speak with causae cognitio on that, having seen "professional chefs" earning close to a software dev figures cutting with knives less sharp than the average object you can find in an adult shop.

        About the grit, the King KDS posted previously comes with a 1000J/6000J grit. 6000J is already in the range of "uselessly high for any practical purpose", unless you deal with razors or mirrors…for which it starts to be too low.
        4000J is the highest I would use on any knife that is going to be used practically and it does have its uses and benefits.
        https://www.theinvisibleedge.co.uk/img/cms/ParticleSizes.jpg

        For all the guys clueless about what we are talking about, this table may be helpful:
        https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0984/5900/files/GLGC_GOM_R…

        For the ones still clueless, ensure of having the supervision of an adult and use scissors with rounded tips only. Nah! Just joking!
        Is like sandpaper, the higher the grit, the finer the sandpaper and the smoother the surface (edge) created. Bit more complex than that, but this is enough to start.

        I do agree, however that a good 400/1000 can be an awesome daily one to tackle most of the situations, even to carry around. Any suggestion on a good/cheap one?

        • I will skip all other parts.

          The reason I was reconning double sided is there is a type of stone to flat a sharpening stone. I forgot the name… Wave shaped stone. But no need to buy this too.. It costs more than a blcok of cheap stone

          I dont really suggest particular product cuz they r pretty much same. Just get any cheap double sided one or even staged like coarse and fine wet stone wheel for home cook

    • +3

      A few basic tips should you end up getting these stones (or any other waterstone):
      NO OIL! Water only. Or you can be like the men before the lube and spit on it…but yeah, let's keep it to water only.

      The stones must be flattened before use (and after any major use). It is imperative that the surface is perfectly flat, otherwise your knife edge will not be flat in result…and you don't want that I believe. Youtube is your friend here again, just know that you can do cheaply and quickly.

      Ideally these should soak in water for 10-20 minutes. Usually the higher the grit, the shortest you have to soak them. With the 4000J you can probably just wet the surface. Do not leave them in water for ages. You don't want that either.

      The slur is good! Do not wipe the stone clean of the slur it forms while sharpening…another X rated reference may be appropriate here, but I will refrain.

      After these basic starting points, just watch one of two videos, sit down in front of your stones with a cheap knife and start. Don't overstress on specific movements, counting repetitions or whatever. Just ensure of keeping constant strokes, constant and even pressure (in most circumstances) and to work on the entire blade edge.

      It is simple really and we do it from the stone age. Relax with it, and your knives will be sharp as a result.
      Dogs barks? Sharpen knives. Neighbors steal your trees? Sharpen knives. The guy in front of you drives at 60Kph in the overtaking lane? Sharpen knives.
      Just ensure of putting the knives in a locked place for which you do not have the key after sharpening them in these circumstances.

      In most cases you can skip entirely the 220 stone. That is only to be used should you have a chipped knife or a blade edge with a very bad profile.

      • Keeping the stones in water all the time is perfectly fine. Many professional woodworkers do this (including a person I took a class from who was an expert on Japanese tools and sharpening, having apprenticed there for several years).

        Mine have been kept in water in Tupperware containers for years, and they are fine. Definitely haven't softened or warped.

        • I agree disagreeing. With these (and the vast majority of waterstones) is no problem.
          Certain stones apparently uses bonding agents that may degrade after long term exposure to water (sorry, no model and maker on hand right now…but was reading of one literally two days ago!).

          On top of that (but this is quite an edge case and unrelated here) people getting mounted waterstones (the ones glued to a frame and often used for sharpening jigs) are often suggested not keeping the stones constantly in water.
          Due to this, the safest rule of thumb is to soak them just before use. But yes, in most cases (99+%) is an exaggeration.

          A benefit of this exaggeration is that keeps my wife happier, as this way I tend to steal less tupperware from her and keep less miniature murky-swimming pools around.

          Another note…I only used these to sharpen kitchen knives and I've been my only master, so yeah, kudos to you!
          Now…would you be interested in making me a knives holder as a housewarming gift for when I will get my new place? No rush, it looks like it will take quite a long time…

        • @stampella:
          That makes sense, inferior stones could easily have problems. I ordered my stones from a Japan-based Aussie who's become quite the expert on Japanese waterstones (is frequently consulted by the large brands for feedback), so I knew I was getting good stuff.

          I can also understand the concern about the mounted stones being kept in water, although I've seen professional woodworkers do this (again with good brand stones).

          As for making a jig, to be honest I've never used one for knives (or even looked at whats available), or looked at one in detail. I do mine by hand. My technique is far from perfect, but I'm no Gordon Ramsey, so I figure the results are good enough. Saying that, given the Australian property market, we might be looking at CNC sharpening by the time it's your housewarming :P

  • are these things cheaper in Japan? we are going on a holiday these later this year?

    • Depends on quality but its cheaper in Japan

    • +4

      Probably you can skip the middleman and, for sure, you will avoid international delivery costs.

      Should you be interested in this kit and go in Japan, try to get a King DX-1000 (or 1200) instead of the K-45 listed here. Larger surface and higher quality makes it a much better choice for the stone that will likely be the most used (in frequency and duration).
      I tried to get one, but for some reason Japan seems to be very jealous of that stone, as it can't be ordered from Amazon JP and is way overpriced anywhere else.

      You also have much more expensive (and better) choices. Arguably the best in the world.
      However considering that even a King 1000J grit is usually enough to make a knife sharper than what the common guy has seen in his life, this would probably end up like the average me asking himself if his AT A900X are enough or if he should pull the plug on some $xxxx planar magnetic headphones which he has no real money for. And the answer would probably be no, or you wouldn't be an OzBargainer.

      Should you get a DX-1000 for you, get one for me too! I will be happy to have it…free of course. Gifts makes friends, you know? And friends are good.

    • Mate they are heavy af. Not worth saving a few dollars only to go over the luggage limit.

      • 400 g. It also looks like it can fit in your pocket.

        • Ah it's much smaller than mine. But 3x400g and then add a whestone falttening stone that's 2kg. That's a lot of green tea kit kat you can bring back!

        • +1

          @Calvin27: price of spare Glass, gule sand paper $2 lapping stone.

  • do i have to register amazon jp account or use normal amazon account to log in? cant read japanese.

    • Use Google Chrome and switch on translation in the browser. Makes the site very usable.

    • +2

      You need a new account for amazon japan than the US.

      Don't need google translate - the amazon site supports english directly. See here:
      http://www.wakuwakumono.com/how-to-order-items-from-amazon-j…

      • "In english" isnt there on my amazon.co.jp

        Found it - it's under a different button now, of the globe, no longer "in english"

      • Thanks, Just ordered 1 set.

  • +4

    Haha I'm not buying this, but that description tho

  • +2

    Don't need this. I sharpen my blades on my wife's rough feet. And … Stampella … you're sh!t.
    Thanks for allowing me to be unkind. It was totally refreshing.

    • +2

      I do my best, my kind sir…I do my best.

      BTW, I switched to waterstones as these are warmer to work with in winter. In summer my wife's feet are awesome indeed.
      Plus I can quickly test the blade sharpness while at the same time helping her in the shaving chore.

      Now, in their defense…we never wear those clearly uncomfortable and extremely expensive contraptions they claim to be shoes. And often (well before the wedding at least) she put these on just to be prettier for me so…well, yeah…thanks dear wife for your feet as cold and harsh as the himalayan peaks.

  • +8

    Took me forever to read the description and it's just a stone. You suck Stampella.. There you go.. But seriously, not buying this shit but writing was top notch. 👍👍

    • +2

      Yes, every time I start writing a book I don't finish the title before the 600th page at least. Hope somebody will publish a deal for an ebook or course for "concise thinking and writing" or something like that.
      But hey! You now know more about man-made stones from Japan! And you don't even need one! How awesome is the universe? No need to thank me…but yeah, do thank me. Makes me happy.
      Money makes me happier…just sayin…should you have some you don't need

      • It's funny you talk about money…just today I got message from a Nigerian lady who is willing to let me have her inheritance(she says it's USD25,000,000 but I think the figure is inflated - real sum would be around USD5000000). I can send her your way if you give me your bank user name and password so she knows you are genuinely interested. She will then delete my details and transfer money to your account. ✌️✌️✌️

        • +2

          Too late bro. I already emailed her with my details. You missed out big time.

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XW-XdDe6j0

    uses
    Japanese King Knife Sharpener Whetstone (#1000 & #6000)

  • +1

    I never sharpen my knives so it's too much to buy three at the same time. I am thinking of buying one/two for now. Of these three which one/two would be more frequently used?

    • +1

      If you only want to get one, get the 1000. With knives that only got dull from regular use (not abuse) it is enough and you can get different results on it once you get some practice (varying strokes pressure and pattern) so is kind of a jolly.

      On top of that anything above 1000J shows diminishing returns. Ask yourself how many times you need to halve ripe tomatoes dropping them on your knife, and if the answer is <1 then you probably will do an awesome job with the 1000J only, especially if you do not plan to touch up the edge often (weekly/monthly, for a regular home usage on a good knife). Supersharp knives are nice, but requires more maintenance, especially if the steel used is meh.

      Note that, with the shipping costs, getting the 1000 alone is not worth it. Probably would be better for you to get a combination one locally.
      The advantage of this deal is in getting them all together to distribute the delivery costs on multiple items.

      I will do some homeworks for you and will report back. Given the previous talks on this deal about combination stones and people who prefer a single one it may be worth to help you with a good combination one too.

      • Would a noob be better off just getting the one of these:
        http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/King-K-45-1000-Grit-Japanese-Knif…

        • +2

          The K-45s are smallish hobby/occasional use stones, you'd be better off buying a standard sized King stone which can be found locally for around the same price depending on where you live. Standard stones give you more than 3 times as much stone as the little K-45s, and the extra width and length make them nicer to use.

          Timbecon (Melbourne or Perth) have standard size King stones in 300, 800 or 1000 grit for under $35:

          https://www.timbecon.com.au/sharpening/water-oil-stones/benc…

          Timberbits (Sydney) have standard Kings in 800, 1000 or 1200 grit for $35:

          http://www.timberbits.com/woodworking-tools/japanese-water-s…

          If you're just looking to start off with one stone for general knife sharpening, I'd probably recommend the 800 grit stone, the 1000 would be okay too and will be capable of a finer edge, but you might find it a bit slow going on knives that need more than a quick touch up.

        • For single stone seekers published another deal with the K-80 combination 250J/1000J stone here https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/317508

        • @uvbunny: Those prices are the lowest ones I have seen in Australia for these stones!
          Cheapest ones I have found for the DX line where much over that and only eBay brought some relief with a ~AU$35+, but is already on the overpriced side for my tastes, especially considering the extra hassle of the long delivery times and risk of damages, etc.
          $35 is not bad for the deluxe series from an Aus reseller! Good find, thanks for the report!

  • +2

    Up vote because it's a different product eg not a GPU or Hard Drive or a RRP Nintendo NES. Thanks OP

  • +2

    Don't be kind.

    Ok, poopy head.

    • +2

      Hey, this could result offensive in an overeducated and politically correct kindergarten!
      Who should I call?
      A) the Strata
      B) the Belligerents Inclined to Kill by Imparting Extensive Shocks
      C) mommy (she's 17k KM away, but boy if she can hurl a wooden sandal)

      • This definitely needs its own forum post.

  • upvoted because i like seeing unique products like this, and your description looked like you put a bit of effort into it!

    not gonna lie, im happy with my global knife, and my $15 kleva knife sharpener that takes 10 seconds to sharpen and works ridiculously well.

    • I can send a photo of the Ikea knives sharpener I used to use.
      Then I've tried something better and…as a result I spent hours yesterday trying to find the lowest possible price in this side of the earth to buy a decent set of waterstones.

      As added note, is not necessarily said that a "shopping center" branded knife is bad. Just yesterday I've seen some reasonably priced knives from H&S made of a even more reasonable 1.4116 steel. Take these knives, add some sharpening, and you would have knives better than the 90% of restaurants in Melbourne.

  • Is it possible to order Japanese knives from amazon?

    • I have ordered knives from Japan and I am sure you can order them on Amazon as well.

  • -1

    Serious question - would this be okay for sharpening my cat's claws?

  • As someone who has dropped ~$250 on a similar setup, this is a great price

  • How do you set an Australian address? Can't seem to find where I can set it.

    • Go into your account and create an address.
      It works fine there, just not in the cart.

      • Yeah, just noticed. Thanks. :)

  • The F-3 doesn't seem to ship to Australia :/

    Specified address, products that can not be delivered to the store, or products that can not be delivered by the designated delivery method are included. Regarding delivery restrictions, please confirm details from here , please change the addressee and delivery method.

    • +2

      Mmmmhhhh…just checked and it works for me. Is possible that it has been OzBargained and Amazon automatically moves to another (cheaper or immediately available) seller. Just try to switch seller back to Amazon and it should work!

      • You are a genius, stampella.

        I mean, f*** you - I spent $55 because of you! (Ordered only the 1000 and 4000 grit ones)

  • Did you have "should be available between 1-2 months" despite in stock? (Japan amazon seller)

    • it showed on my screen as well. not sure when can i receive it, but expecting in 1 months hopefully.

  • so I have a $2.8 stone from Daiso (where everything is $2.8 unless otherwise stated)
    how does this product compare to your product since they're both Japanese?

    • Daiso one is about 23x better pricewise.
      Other than that I lack data to formulate an informed reply. Sorry.

      • Sorry to ask. You wrote a huge speel but missed out info I need to know if its a deal. I bought the Global knives from the EOFY ebay deals recently and since these are a step up from my butter knives I'm interested in keeping them in good nick - though I shouldn't need to sharpen them too soon.

        As I'm unfamiliar with the product pricing can you adv what the deal is here. I get that this is meant to be a premium solution and there may be cheaper versions.

        But with these in particular is it that normally a set of 3 is expensive and here buying individually is a lot cheaper.
        Or is it that the pricing in Japan is cheaper than local even with shipping (what is local pricing as a comparison to the savings).
        It didn't look like it was a discounted or limited offer. Is this a "buy it now before it ends" type of bargain or is it just a "good to know" type of deal?

        You mention $15 more (isn't that a big jump on a total of $75?) why is it better value ( I don't know what deal you were comparing it too).

        • +1

          There is no set sold by King, as far as I am aware of.
          They, however make combination whetstones (a 250/1000, I've listed in another deal) and a 1000/6000 (that was listed a month or two ago, here https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/307072).
          For this reason you need anyway to buy these separately if you want to have a more or less complete solution.
          Buying these all together from Amazon JP these were about $72 delivered.

          To get a similar set mixing and matching the items at the lowest possible prices elsewhere the price rises to about ~$110 something minimum (from memory…I went through all the possible listings and websites and I remember it being $35 for the cheapest stone) and in most of the cases the delivery was 5 weeks something and with the risk of damages etc (remember that these weight 0.5+ Kg, are compact and easy to break if they play the parcel throwing contest…I know my postie does).

          These reasons made it a good deal for me and maybe for someone else too :)

          For the price paid it is an awesome value.

          A small tip, almost all knives benefits from at least a touch up when bought.
          Of course I encourage you to start practicing on cheaper blades before moving on a new set, as the risk of damaging the edge profile of a new knife is probably higher than the benefit of sharpening it ;)

  • Wow for this price you can buy a lansky kit from the USA. I would recommend a kit over free hand knife sharpening for every one. Unless you are a professional and most pros use a belt sander depending on the knife type. They may finish free hand. Its funny i see professional knife builders who only use kits to sharpen because it gives more accurate results but heaps of people still try and free hand it.

    • Of all the guided systems, the only one I can sort of digest is the Edge Pro. I am actually planning on buying one of the chinese clones of it…just for reprofiling a few knives that are in a really bad shape and would require quite a bit of effort to be done free hand…and to buy more junk, satisfying that modern man urge.

      Just for completeness (unrequested, I know) the Wicked Edge spiced up my interest at first, but after having seen it in action I decided to pass on it entirely.

      If you really dislike freehanding and want a cheap kit that give you precise (±2°, I would say) get an Edge Pro clone (about $30, I believe).
      Use the first stones that comes with it to practice a bit on some junk, then buy some better stones (and be prepared to pay on that, sadly) and use the initial cheap stones included to flatten the new ones, just to avoid the hassle to make a flattening surface. However, I have the feeling that it would be an even greater hassle to go through…so yeah.

      As last observation, I believe I have never seen any knives maker that started the edge with whetstones! These are not to create an edge. Even resurrecting a very bad edge is not done on whetstones (and pretty hard to do freehanding, IMHO).
      These were my two cents.

      • I have redone a point on a kitchen knife with my kit. It took a while but worked well now i have a bench grinder/sander so its easier i have remade a few points with grinder and kit. I have redone edges taking out cracks in blades. Some kitchen and some EDC and hunting knives.

        The only time i freehand on the belt sander.

        I dont recommend people freehand unless they know how to it will probably make the blade worse.

        Also i have never had to go over 1500 grit.

      • The stones on the edge pro clones are honestly the worst I've ever used. The gross didn't correlate with the numbers at all.

        They were not straight either. Glad I switched to the kds 1000/6000

  • Geez, seriously had no idea how involved and how much there is to learn about knife sharpening. Not sure whether to look more into this now or wait until my 6 month old Shun set start to dull a bit more.

    • Get some stones now and practice on cheaper knives. As others have said it's not difficult but does take time and plenty of practice.

  • How do you think this will compare, for a 220/1000 combination stone $45 delivered? Tojiro seems to be a pretty decent Japanese brand with good reviews for their knives, but can't find any reviews for this stone. Also from an Aus company to support local.

    https://www.homesnthings.com.au/tojiro-whetstone-domestic-22…

    • +2

      The only thing that hold me back is that King is a company known for abrasive materials and compounds and historically famous (well, not famous, that one is Naniwa…let's say "renowned") for its whetstones. For the interested ones the real company name is Matsunaga Stone.

      On the one you linked I see no marks and has been unable to find any reference to the actual manufacturer.
      To keep it short, I do not know how much better that could be compared to a chinese one found on eBay.
      I would suggest you to look at the other deal I have published for the ones looking for a single stone: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/317508
      At least you know that if they say that the stone is 1000J grit, it is 1000J grit.

      Price is practically there and buying from Aus company that import is not so amazingly better than buying directly from oversea on a long-term/macro-scale IMO.

      Don't worry…the day will come when the political class will understand and will push real actions to make Australian internal production competitive on an international market (probably and hopefully not for whetstones though).
      If that will not happen, vote Stampella at your next elections and I will make that happen! And if you want a wife, will get you a wife! And if you don't want a wife, I will get rid of your wife! And…you got the gist

      • Lol we'll get rid of your wife!

  • +1

    This has whet my appetite

  • +1

    Wow I didn't even know about Amazon JP. With a bit of playing (was keep saying some of them cannot be shipped to AUS) I managed to order all three for 71$ shipped. Thank you!

  • For some reason cant get 2 of the items to be shipped to Australia… Can any kind or dark soul help me out?

    • make sure you select the listing that is sold by Amazon.co.jp. if it does not say "Ships from and sold by Amazon.co.jp" after the stock levels, look to the right and find the listing by Amazon.co.jp and add that one to the cart.

  • But my butter knife cuts my spam well enough and I don't need no knife for my cereal.

    • Dude. Vitamins?!

      • That's like stimpaks right?

        • Tssssshhh… Yeah!!

        • Light em up..

  • do i have to sign up for a Japanese amazon account to get these? i cant seem to get through the checkout without signing in, and my normal amazon account doesn't seem to work

    • +1

      Yep, you need to create a new account for Amazon JP

  • Bargain. You'd pay more than $72 for the 4000 stone.

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