LG V20 H990DS 64GB 5.7-Inch 16MP + 8MP Dual SIM LTE FACTORY UNLOCKED TITAN. Not sure if has free bootloop or not.
Also Huawei Mate 9 $710 delivered http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NEW-Huawei-Mate-9-MHA-L29-64GB-5-…
HTC 10 currently out of stock.
Not sure if has free bootloop or not.
Gonna find out in a few months.
My repaired but still problematic LG G4 is still lying in my drawer.LG no more no matter how top notch the specs are the manufacturing faults make this brand useless in mobile phones.QD_AU a good seller they got my LG G4 repaired within 1 year warranty but after a month of use the phone showed the same issues .Local LG quoted me $260 for the motherboard replacement…not worth it..
Buy the motherboard yourself from Aliexpress then take it to a Chinese mobile store in a shopping centre? Could be under $100.
I think it's almost $200 and not worth it considering a New G4 sometime only cost $230 to buy…
the bootloop issue is inherent in all LG models
Have not seen anything related to bootloop issues with LV20 (or LV10 for that matter). Seems to be much more of an issue with LG 4 and LG 5 (LG 3 never seemed to have any nor LG 2 or LG 2 G Pro)
My LG G3 had the dreaded bootloop, it put me off buying LG again.
The LG G6 has piqued my interest though, I am hoping that the heatpipe they've implemented will keep it cool enough to minimise thermal throttling and prevent bootloop occurring. I will wait a few months for some long term reviews before making a decision though.
The V10 absolutely suffers from the same bootloop issue as the G4, it's well documented. It's still too early to tell whether the V20 will the same issue to the same extent (there already numerous reports, but too early to tell if it's the same issue).
My G4 bootlooped after 6 months of continuous use. I think we need to wait a few more months for the bootloop reports to start coming in (if any). if no reports of major bootloop then I think it would be worth considering this phone as a good buy.
I think even Nexus 5x were prone to those. I think all the hardware related bootloop issues were with Snapdragon 808 devices, at least with that generation devices. Not too sure about devices after those.
Anyways, regards to LG V20, there are a small number of cases of bootloop (3? Might've increased, might've not). The one that I've read about, that happened in Korea, was "apparently" due to cheap USB C cable. Someone was saying that USB C cables are unlikely to be the cause so it might be LG scapegoaging, but who knows.
I personally don't think the number is large enough or the product was out for long enough time to see whether significant number of V20s are affected with bootloop like their older models.
LG G3, G4 and G5 all use different CPUs. So this 808 theory is incorrect. It is LG. They knew the bootloop issue with LG G4 before the release of G5 and they still didn't resolve it.
@netsurfer: I was under the impression that LG G3 was more software related (OTA related was the gist I was getting), maybe I was wrong. G5, LG apparently blamed USB-C for V20's case (which G5 also uses) and I simply didn't see enough of them to call it a problem for all G5s, again, maybe I was wrong on that.
Anyways, at the very least, G4 and the devices from that generation kinda started the debacle about bootloop (with sheer number of people suffering from it), wasn't it?
From what I've read, the issue is caused by the soldering method/material on the motherboard. Over time, the repeated heating/cooling eventually causes the solder points to break and lose their contact points. Apparently the G6 resolves this issue by using a glue instead of solder.
I was really close to buying the V20, the hardware is phenomenal, but LG's reliability scared me away.
@aja12: Who knows? I personally think V20 isn't been out for long enough to say whether it suffers from bootloop issues or not. If there were large number of people suffering from it now, that'd be a different story. At least now, it's hard to tell (whether bootloop is an eventuality or whether those cases were isolated cases). LG used an excuse on one case, that I am not sure how much truth is in. I personally think LG could've handled the bootloop issues better.
If it does have bootloop issues, more will bootloop in few months time.
I personally wouldn't buy an LG phone, heard too many horror stories here and there. Plus, frankly my gf's G2 gave me enough stress when she was using it.
@Oversimplified: If the issue is purely 808, then shouldn't all phones with 808 have bootloop issues? If so, don't you think LG would point out it is 808?
LG G3 and LG G5, even if they are different issues, it shows LG is not able to produce phones without bootloop issue for 3 generations.
The main reason LG G4 started the debacle is because the good reviews meant LG sold more LG G4s (compared to G3s and G5s). Another big issue is how LG handled this bootloop issue for LG G4s. Instead of fixing them, there are stories where the telcos and repair centres came up with all sorts of excuses not to repair the phones. Also, no international warranty - which is also the case with this phone. No extended warranty for this bootloop problem so once the warranty is out and your phone started bootloop, you are on your own.
@netsurfer: It's a mixture of things that lead to that.
I did say "all the hardware related bootloop issues were with Snapdragon 808 devices, at least with that generation devices" without going into details too much. I shouldn't have skimmed on the details. I kinda lumped the generation up with SoC out of convenience, shouldn't have done that. Also poor choice of words too from my side.
Yes, the bootloop caused by PCB and solder, but what caused that problem to actually become a widespread problem was with the SoC (at least in my opinion). More specically, overheating from CPU causing the solder to fail.
Without going too much into details, Qualcomm's implementations of HMP with Cortex A57 caused overheating issues in Snapdragon 810. That issue was reduced, but not solved, with 808 as it has less A57 cores. The overheating issue in my opinion is the cause of massive number of bootloop in that generation. Previous models and later models didn't suffer (as much, at least) because Snapdragon didn't mess up and later models I think LG uses conservative throttling settings (at least that's what I've heard).
I do agree that the problem was avoidable, since it's their job to design the phone with what they've chosen as the componenets. Other companies (MS and BB) did make phones without bootloop issues as far as I remember.
@Oversimplified: The biggest issue with this LG bootloop is actually the way LG handled the whole thing. Compared to how Samsung handled the battery issue, LG simply managed the whole thing through standard warranty (which is subpar). So the phone has a manufacturing defect, you don't get any extended warranty period and once the warranty runs out, you are on your own. Not only that, the repair centres do try to come up with excuses to avoid fixing it (i.e. if the screen is slightly damaged, then warranty is void). Even if the phone is repaired under warranty, the time it takes can still be fairly long.
Also, the whole point of LG choosing 808 over 810 is to avoid the heat issue, yet the product (LG G4) ended up having far worse bootloop issue compared to phones using 810. If that's not bad enough, the batches which LG claimed not to have this inferior/cheap soldering problem still bootloop. Essentially, after LG found the issue, they were unable to fix it properly.
Nexus 5X is made by LG (and is based on the LG G4 design).
Agreed. That said, there's no widespread reports of G5s and V20s boot-looping….the G4 and v10 were pretty much guaranteed to boot-loop at some stage or another…
does the bootloop happen only when u root the phone?
ive been using G4 for a year and a half.. no problem at all.
I have had the G2, 3, 4 and 5 in my family.
Perhaps I have been lucky but I have never had a problem with any of them. The G2 has only recently been retired and ll the others are still going very strong and used often.
Exactly.
Maybe ppl been tuning it and stuff causing it to boot loop?
Happens when you play extensive games and heat up the CPU too much
Ah. Call me crazy but I generally use my phones for phone calls. But my son did nothing but play games on his G3. It never gave up on him.
LG admitted the issue is a manufacturing defect. If you used apps which require pretty much everything on (4G/3G or wifi, GPS, Bluetooth), then the chance of bootloop happening will happen sooner. Nothing to do with rooting the phone.
I know my LG G4 will bootloop. It is just a matter of time. It's out of warranty so it will be heading to the bin when it starts to bootloop.
happened to mine after a day of heavy usage and running the phone to 0% battery. the phone froze, then stopped charging and turning on. might have been the heat that damaged it?
why is the Huawei Mate 9 in white colour more expensive than the others??? or is it a much higher model?
http://stores.ebay.com.au/QD-Shopping-Centre/_i.html?_nkw=hu…
supply and demand?
Is this local stock? Warranty etc?
local warranty. send back to sydney for claims
i don't think there's any local stock for V20. might be wrong though
JB Hi-FI
The sim please. Does the second sim have 3g or 4g?
key decision point with any dual SIM phone in oz. Can't see it in the specs.
2nd sim isnt always 2g?
4g+3g simultaneously
And the band 28? Is that the same as lte 700mhz?
How does the DAC (more interested in that feature) in this thing performs? Anyone in the know?
pretty good for a phone AFAIK
It's excellent, truly.
I have Beyer DT250 80ohm headphones and I've never owned a portable device that's driven them as well. Never goes above 50% volume, really full sound. I've owned several iPods, Sony players, Cowon players and this handily beats all of them. Worlds beyond my last phones (Xperia Z1 and HTC M8, neither of which could touch the dedicated players).
Only thing is you really want headphones that are high enough impedence to kick in the "high fidelity" mode.
I'm really, really starting to like the DAC in this phone even more after following the link above (thanks for that, I think).
Now my main question is and dilemma is trying to justify in paying for the said amount since I'm only really just interested in the audio features of the phone and nothing else. I've got my trusty S7 Edge to do rest. Is it worth it or is there any comparable products just like a USB DAC that may sound as great and be cheaper too?
If I didn't have my S7, I'd go for this one for sure. It's a no brainer.
The dedicated player market is really on its last legs. The last player I had was a Cowon Plenue D, which will set you back around $400. It was a very tidy little player with great battery life and sound, but the software was a bit on the slow side. This phone sounds better than that player, but of course is much bigger and a good deal more expensive.
Anyway, you would be hard pressed to find a dedicated player that has better audio capbility than this phone for a similar price. The only downside really is that it's pretty damn big! I'd be hard pressed to justify if I had a phone like the S7.
Never LG again. That bootloop customer service was trieble.
The V20 or the Mate 9?
Which one?
Arghh.. decisions!
i had the same dilemma last night. nagged a htc 10 for the camera. v20 would be my pick if i knew bootloop wouldn't be an issue.
Much cheaper here: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/322314812935
only $607.5, just sold out in the last hour.
$599 after cashrewards.
that's grey stock with no local warranty.
who cares, its cheaper, this is ozbargain, not ozwarranty.
QD_AU is still grey stock with no local warranty.
I'd rather buy from DWI than QD_AU seeing as they both grey importers.
DWI has been listed many times in the past in ozb: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/deals/dwidigitalcameras.com.au
@tomkun01:
Mobiles / Tablets / Laptops will have to be returned to overseas warehouse for service.
So I assume it will still take as long if not longer to get your item back. They are a bit like kogan, have set up a drop off/pick up point in Sydney.
@bubber: Fair point. I've been burned in the past by an ebay seller based in Singapore saying that they never received the phone I sent back to them for repairs, and I couldn't do shit. Qd_au seems to be more reputable with the local drop off and very high satisfaction rating on ebay.
0 available. List one with stock if you've found a better deal, please.
oops thats g5
Ugh tossing over LV 20 vs Huawei Mate 9….. i wish mobile handset companies stopped making the batteries built in only (hate it)…..the bloody G6 coming soon removed the option (due to silly waterproofing bs).
v20 much cheaper.
Sexy!