3 in 1 Multifunction Foldable Camping Knife EDC Tool Emergency Pocket Knife
.3 in 1, Knife Blade, Hex Spanner, Bottle Opener
.Stainless steel made, surface antioxidant treatment, hard body and blade sharpener
.Designed as an emergency tool and also can be a fruit knife
.You can hanging in the keyring for storage and take down to use
Why is your car searched nearly every RBT? Because of your firearm license?
Yes as soon as they run my driver's licence it alerts them that I have a firearms licence, they will then ask if I am carrying any firearms in the vehicle and at that point it is at their discretion whether to search the vehicle or not.
I am have been through 6 or so RBTs in the last 4 years and I've been search 4 times.
Glad I haven't gotten my license, as I'd likely feel the need to end every search with a smart-arse remark like "hope that was better for you than it was for me!" or something.
@martin_henry: Honestly mate, it's best just to comply. I have every time and apart from being a nuisance the police have been fairly respectful.
I think they do it in the hopes that they strike it big, I imagine a search uncovering a firearm would be a nice little notch on their belt.
Yes as soon as they run my driver's licence
This story smells funny. Why would they check your license at an RBT? I only remember mine being checked when I blew borderline.
A normal NSW police thing? I did not think RBT legislation allowed for random searches.
@manic: I never said that any of those occurrences where at an RBT check point. RBT is simply the excuse they use to pull anyone over at any time. I drive an AE86 sprinter, the times I have been searched is during/after they are doing their usual defect inspection on it, luckily for me every single thing is engineered.
@manic: to add to my previous comment, I can't actually recall the last time I was pulled into an RBT check point, probably since I've had my full licence actually (7 years).
Edit: in reply to your edit, I am not sure on the legislation, but I was told when I got my firearms licence to just comply and don't argue, as long as you're doing nothing wrong they can't touch you.
Also, I can't remember an instance where my licence hasn't been checked, possibly because of the type of car I drive or maybe I just look like the "suss type" :P
RBT is simply the excuse they use to pull anyone over at any time.
That's interesting. I seem to remember in WA that random stops and checks by police are illegal -
except for RBT, which has special laws. It does not have to be a checkpoint, a car can pull you over, but they are not allowed to do anything else without good reason. To search your car, they need a genuine reason. Searching just because you have a firearms license smells illegal. Is there something in firearms legislation to specifically allow that? I know they are allowed to enter your home to do random checks of your gunsafe, but that does not let them search your home.
Of course its not unknown for police to abuse their powers and act illegally.
This is taken from an article on the Sporting Shooters'Association of Australia:
**"Here is a typical scenario. You are returning from a shoot and you are pulled over by the police, who are conducting random breath tests (RBTs) at the roadside. While sitting in the queue, you wonder what you would do if the police told you that, because you are carrying guns and ammunition, they wanted to search your car. You realise you have no idea what your rights are.
In certain circumstances, police do have the powers to search you and your vehicle if they reasonably suspect you might be doing or carrying something illegal. Now, of course, travelling with your firearms is not illegal, as you are a law-abiding licensed firearms owner with registered firearms. So if the police in this instance wish to carry out a search of your vehicle, they are checking on whether or not you are complying with the regulations.
If, for example, you are waved over at an RBT site and a police officer is doing a registration check on your vehicle and, as part of the process, is alerted to the fact that you are a firearms licence-holder, it may be reasonable to expect the police officer to ask to see your firearms licence at the same time they are checking your driver’s licence and analysing your breath. It’s also reasonable to expect police to ask you if you are carrying firearms.
Sydney-based lawyer Stephen Mainstone suggests that if the person produced their licence but told the police they did not have any firearms with them, it is likely the police may still want to search the vehicle. “Naturally, if the licence-holder does have firearms in their car, they would be foolish in my view to lie to the police, because if the police then conduct a search of the vehicle, regardless of whether they had the power or not, and find the firearms, they will take a dim view of being lied to and may charge the person with failing to comply with the regulations and/or put a report into the firearms registry about whether it is appropriate for the person to continue to hold a licence,” he said.
“If you have your firearms licence on you and firearms in your vehicle, you should simply comply with the request to inspect. If you don’t have firearms with you and you tell the police officer this and they still want to search your vehicle, you then need to make a decision of whether to allow them to conduct the search or get into an argument with them about your rights. The police will not back down on such an argument - a bit like arguing with the referee’s decision in a footy game after he’s blown the whistle. So you need to decide if this is a battle you want to enter.”**
But any legislation regarding firearms is murky on most instances.
If that's really the case, it doesn't make much sense. Why would a firearms license be connected to a drivers license? I don't see how the two are related.
Note that per the Summary Offences Act of 1988, these are prohibited from being carried in public without "reasonable excuse" (known acceptable excuses include lawful sport or recreation such as fishing or for food preparation) which is up to police to decide in the moment. If they decide you don't have reasonable excuse, they may fine you, confiscate the knife, and issue you a court summons IIRC.
Stupid and unfair, but just want everyone to be warned.
Its a camping knife. Where else do you want to take it?
I carry a Swiss army knife every day. Is it odd that I have never been searched by police. Is it because I'm white?
you clearly don't catch the train in/around Sydney city daily
I got caught with foam nunchucks in my car boot
Police were very upset and took them off me and threatened me with a fine
I rang the weapon licensing division and they were not sure in regards to foam nunchuks
I asked the police if its ok I put a chainsaw and rambo 4 knife in my boot and they said it is ok
I took foam nunchucks to school camp in year 8 and made robert cry by wacking him over the head (it doesnt hurt he was a crybaby)
bought 1 :)
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Outdoor-Survival-Scuba-Diving-Cam…
I think this is the same knife $3.09 shipped on ebay
Dont think things like this can pass customs. Be careful
I can not see that there would be a problem with this (other than price) it is a normal folding knife.
Hahahahaah! OMG, you have to watch the top video that reviews the gear from lightake. Came to look at what junk was listed and was pleased with what I found.
For anyone too lazy to click, this is the review posted on lightake's own product page, I have posted it below. Obviously no one at lightake viewed it or did and didn't understand English enough.
Good luck trying to explain why you're carrying this, as a licenced firearm owner I can't even risk having a multi tool in my possession, it's not worth the trouble trying to explain it when they are searching your car nearly every RBT.